Ok. Who has it. What are your thoughts. Is this the game I should order and prepare to spend my holiday break trying to grind through it over and over? :P

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On Friday December 11, 2020, Ryan said to All...

Ok. Who has it. What are your thoughts. Is this the game I should order
and prepare to spend my holiday break trying to grind through it over
and over? :P

I'm about to pull the trigger on it. I'm looking for something to get lost
in over the holiday shutdown. It's either this or more wiskey. I think this might not be as bad for my liver as the wiskey.

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Ok. Who has it. What are your thoughts. Is this the game I should order andprepare to spend my holiday break trying to grind through it over and over? :P

I've read its laughably buggy and if you're on console not to get it? The console versions are so messed up that appearently the studio prevented all reviewers from reviewing the console version.

I have no first hand experience though I'm just repeating what I read so it could be totally baseless.

I wouldn't get it unless you're getting it on PC and meet the recommended specs. I still have their last game (Witcher 3) that I bought years ago and still haven't started so I'll probably pick it up in 6 months or so when its on sale for $25.

Although check this out if you have a VPN handy apparently you can snag it for $26 right now on PC...

https://slickdeals.net/f/14683547-cyberpunk-2077-pc-26-67-on-russian-gog-store?prop=pfd-14683547%7Cprt-3&src=featured

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on 12 Dec 2020, g00r00 said...

I've read its laughably buggy and if you're on console not to get it?
The console versions are so messed up that appearently the studio prevented all reviewers from reviewing the console version.

The buzz seems to be pretty positive on console, even with all of the (hilarious, at times) bugs. I haven't read much about the PC version. The
good news is they're definitely patching it regularly at this point, so
expect the majority of the major bugs to be ironed out eventually.
Personally, I plan on waiting until then. Beyond that, it looks like
something I'd really, really enjoy. I've only played a bit of the first
Witcher and watched my SO play through a lot of Witcher 3, but my impressions are quite positive.

(For the record, Darkness 2 does contains references to the original Cyberpunk PNP RPG that 2077 is based on!)

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On Saturday December 12, 2020, Jack Phlash said to g00r00...

(For the record, Darkness 2 does contains references to the original Cyberpunk PNP RPG that 2077 is based on!)

You must have put that their for me as I was about to ask, lol.

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The buzz seems to be pretty positive on console, even with all of the (hilarious, at times) bugs. I haven't read much about the PC version. The

I saw one video that made it look REAL bad, but then I went to YouTube quick and watched some base PS4 gameplay and it didn't look as bad. What the video was exploiting was clearly some sort of bug and they made it seem like the entire game was that way.

After that I ended up watching IGN and Digital Foundry breakdown of the games, and they said its not worth playing on the base consoles but if you have a SX or PS5 its servicable in backwards compatible mode. The SX running in quality mode looks the best and runs at 30fps and the PS5 version performance mode runs the best at 60fps.

The XBox base version was dropping down to *10 fps at sub 720p resolution* and that is pretty unplayable if you ask me. They did mention that Witcher 3 was pretty rough at release on consoles and that they vastly improved it over time. I just wonder how much time they're going to spend trying to do that when the next gen consoles are already out.

Personally, I plan on waiting until then. Beyond that, it looks like something I'd really, really enjoy. I've only played a bit of the first Witcher and watched my SO play through a lot of Witcher 3, but my impressionsare quite positive.

Sounds like the smart thing to do and I am right there with you. I'm going to wait for a PS5 version which will have a ton of fixes by then too. This game theme is right up my alley and I know it is yours too, so I can wait a few more months for a superior experience. I'd rather not have some technical issues and a lifeless world that takes away from it.

They specifically said that the console version lacks immersion because they've scaled back so much on the population and traffic density. They kind of stressed that its a big deal too. I want that immersion, so yeah I'm going to hold off for performance improvements and native next-gen.

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on 12 Dec 2020, Netsurge said...

You must have put that their for me as I was about to ask, lol.

Ha! There are soooooo many references to other cyberpunk, sci-fi, and misc. works in that game, though most are fairly subtle. :)

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on 12 Dec 2020, g00r00 said...

I saw one video that made it look REAL bad, but then I went to YouTube quick and watched some base PS4 gameplay and it didn't look as bad.
What the video was exploiting was clearly some sort of bug and they made it seem like the entire game was that way.

After that I ended up watching IGN and Digital Foundry breakdown of the games, and they said its not worth playing on the base consoles but if
you have a SX or PS5 its servicable in backwards compatible mode. The
SX running in quality mode looks the best and runs at 30fps and the PS5 version performance mode runs the best at 60fps.

The XBox base version was dropping down to *10 fps at sub 720p
resolution* and that is pretty unplayable if you ask me.

Blech. To clarify, I was referring to the wacky bugs that people have been posting about nonstop since the game launched, NOT performance. I hadn't read
a lot about performance when I posted this, beyond last gen performance on the Series X and PS5, which looks fair enough, so yeah, I didn't know how
extremely fucked up it is on the base last gen consoles. Ouch. I'd be pretty damn pissed if I had pre-ordered the game last year when it was originally suppose to release. :/

They did mention that Witcher 3 was pretty rough at release on consoles and that they vastly improved it over time. I just wonder how much time they're going to spend trying to do that when the next gen consoles are already out.

That's specifically why I mentioned the Witcher games. They have a pretty
good track record of supporting their games post release. The first two got free "Enhanced Editions" patches that fixed and overhauled a lot of the mechanics, while the third one got substantial patching and (paid) DLCs. So,
it may not be tomorrow or anything, but eventually Cyberpunk 2077 should end
up in a much better state. I'm guessing the Series X|S and PS5 will get next gen versions or patches that'll improve performance on those systems, but
those with last gen base consoles are probably hosed. :/

Sounds like the smart thing to do and I am right there with you. I'm going to wait for a PS5 version which will have a ton of fixes by then too. This game theme is right up my alley and I know it is yours too,
so I can wait a few more months for a superior experience. I'd rather
not have some technical issues and a lifeless world that takes away from it.

I would consider myself what has been deemed a "patient gamer" anyway, which
is to say I rarely spring on stuff on release day, and I play a lot of older stuff, so while missing out on the release hype and conversation is a bummer, getting a better game (sometimes with bundled DLC) for a cheaper price, at a time when I know I'll have the time to dive into it, definitely isn't. :)

They specifically said that the console version lacks immersion because they've scaled back so much on the population and traffic density. They kind of stressed that its a big deal too. I want that immersion, so
yeah I'm going to hold off for performance improvements and native next-gen.

Interesting. I noticed in side by side comparisons of the PS5 and Series X versions that the Xbox version actually has much more population density. Now I'm going to have see what that looks like compared to the PC version now.

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Blech. To clarify, I was referring to the wacky bugs that people have beenposting about nonstop since the game launched, NOT performance. I

Oh yeah I knew that, I just stumbled down that performance path as we were talking about things so I thought I'd pass it along.

Normally the gaming community has massive meltdowns about things that aren't even real or massively exaggerated, but this time it seems there are actual legit reasons for people to be upset.

I do think its par for the course that "crossover generation" games run not-so-great on the last generation hardware though. Last generation had some AAA games like GTA5 that didn't run so well on PS3 but were great on PS4. This will be one of those games.

DLCs. So,it may not be tomorrow or anything, but eventually Cyberpunk
2077 should endup in a much better state. I'm guessing the Series X|S
and PS5 will get nextgen versions or patches that'll improve performance on those systems, butthose with last gen base consoles are probably
hosed. :/

I have complete confidence they will make it much better than it is now. They were already struggling to get the game out of the door so there is no doubt in my mind they released it before it was "ready". It was already pushed back 8 months and I am pretty sure there were plenty of suits who weren't going to let it get delayed again. If this game had been in release state they would have released with a native PS5/SX version.

Like you said they have the track records of getting it done in the long run, no reason to think this will be different!

Digital Foundry also said they have a 3090 RTX system running it sub 60 frames so its capable of defeating any hardware you throw at it if you keep moving up the settings. Getting something like that to run on 7 year old systems that were already "underpowered" in 2013 must be nearly impossible.

I would consider myself what has been deemed a "patient gamer" anyway, whichis to say I rarely spring on stuff on release day, and I play a lot of olderstuff, so while missing out on the release hype and conversation is a bummer,getting a better game (sometimes with bundled DLC) for a cheaper price, at atime when I know I'll have the time to dive into it, definitely isn't. :)

I think I am one of those too except for a few small situations. I bought Final Fantasy VII Remake on day 1 because I had that nostalgia from playing it when I was a teenager. Other than that, the last game I can remember anticipating on release day was Mass Effect Andromeda. I just googled and that was early 2017!

Are there any upcoming games you're really interested in? I've been out of the loop lately so there isn't anything on my radar at the moment, but I am looking forward to checking out No Man's Sky a bit more during my vacation (I usually take the last week of December off).

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on 15 Dec 2020, g00r00 said...

Oh yeah I knew that, I just stumbled down that performance path as we
were talking about things so I thought I'd pass it along.

Normally the gaming community has massive meltdowns about things that aren't even real or massively exaggerated, but this time it seems there are actual legit reasons for people to be upset.

Yeah, definitely. You set me down that path after reading your post, so I've read and watched a lot more on the subject since then, and yeah, it's pretty fucking bad. Beyond that, it seems like memes around the performance have surpassed those around bugs in the last couple of days.

I do think its par for the course that "crossover generation" games run not-so-great on the last generation hardware though. Last generation
had some AAA games like GTA5 that didn't run so well on PS3 but were
great on PS4. This will be one of those games.

Agreed. Perhaps the backlash is partly due to how smooth the generational transition has been, especially on the Xbox side. People weren't expecting their old boxes to be suddenly turned into potatoes the moment the PS5 and Series X|S launched. Still, there were a few games before this that were targeted at PS4 Pros and Xbox One Xs and ran relatively poorly on base PS4s
or Xbox Ones, so I guess it's just buyer beware all the way around. Yet
another reason not to preorder games. :)

Digital Foundry also said they have a 3090 RTX system running it sub 60 frames so its capable of defeating any hardware you throw at it if you keep moving up the settings. Getting something like that to run on 7
year old systems that were already "underpowered" in 2013 must be nearly impossible.

Someone transcribed an "emergency" shareholder call they had yesterday and one of the telling statements CDPR made was that they simply didn't spend much
time on optimizing or testing the last generation consoles. It sounds like
they got the PC version reasonably close to where they wanted it and pulled
the trigger. I'm sure thats vastly oversimplifying the situation, but these
are their words, not mine. :P

I think I am one of those too except for a few small situations. I
bought Final Fantasy VII Remake on day 1 because I had that nostalgia
from playing it when I was a teenager. Other than that, the last game I can remember anticipating on release day was Mass Effect Andromeda. I just googled and that was early 2017!

Yeah, I do occasionally grab brand new games, especially when I get hyped to play games with other people (online shooters, MMOs, etc.) but I go in and
out of online gaming so that's not always a thing. Right now, for instance,
I'm not really doing any regular gaming with friends and my last big group has gone their separate ways.

Argh, so how'd anticipating Andromeda work out for you? :P

Are there any upcoming games you're really interested in? I've been out of the loop lately so there isn't anything on my radar at the moment,
but I am looking forward to checking out No Man's Sky a bit more during
my vacation (I usually take the last week of December off).

I try not to invest myself too heavily in bullshit hype cycles these days because that so often leads to disappointment. Probably my most hotly anticipated game at the moment is Halo Infinite. That game has also had a rocky development but, like with Cyberpunk, even if it launches broken I can rest assured that it'll eventually be completely fixed. It doesn't hurt that I'll get it for "free" with Game Pass.

I mean, there's a lot of odd ball things I want to play (like No Man's Sky)
and curiosities, like the upcoming Yakuza Remaster Collection.

There's a lot of older games on my hit list right now - I'm going to be
playing through Halo Wars soon, which I never played, and I've been in the
mood for an RTS. I also want to go back and play some old DOS era RTSes, perhaps starting with Dune II. I'm still slowly playing through Star Wars: Squadrons and excited to start (trying) to play it online. Most likely I'll just get destroyed and move on to another game with my tail between my legs, but I really enjoy the single player so far. All of this Cyberpunk 2077 talk has had me wanting to go back and play Deus Ex Human Revolution and Mankind Divided neither of which I ever got around to. I've also been wanting to play through all of the Metal Gear Solid games since I've never play much of any
of them, but I had a lot of friends who go insane over that series. I also wanted to go check out Darksiders - I've been wanting to play something like that for a while now.

Too many games, not anywhere close to the free time to play them.

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On Monday December 14, 2020, Jack Phlash said to Netsurge...

Ha! There are soooooo many references to other cyberpunk, sci-fi, and misc. works in that game, though most are fairly subtle. :)

It's one of the reasons I fell in love with the first Darkness. LORD for the cyberpunk world!

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Re: Re: Cyberpunk 2077
By: jack phlash to g00r00 on Tue Dec 15 2020 09:55 am


Dune II is awesome for its age. Beware the interface is tricky until you get it right.

Command and Conquer, its spiritual sucessor, is the peak of DOS RTS. It features actually differentiated armies, units with strengths and weaknesses etc all. And their interface was much improved.

Warcraft 1 just coudln't compare (and I still like that game). Warcraft 2 came close because they improved the interface quite a lot, the fantasytheme and atmopsphere were well built, and there was actual naval combat. Naval combat in other RTS that came after always felt a bit underwhelming to me. I think I missed the submarines and the awesome soundblast from the cannons,.
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on 17 Dec 2020, Arelor said...

Dune II is awesome for its age. Beware the interface is tricky until you get it right.

No doubt. I always expect a challenge with any older games. It's an oddly pleasant surprise when I find a mouse driven game that is relatively close to hitting contemporary UI sensibilities.

Command and Conquer, its spiritual sucessor, is the peak of DOS RTS. It features actually differentiated armies, units with strengths and weaknesses etc all. And their interface was much improved.

Believe it or not I actually never played the original C&C, though I recently nabbed a copy of it along with the first Red Alert to finally dig into.

Warcraft 1 just coudln't compare (and I still like that game). Warcraft
2 came close because they improved the interface quite a lot, the fantasytheme and atmopsphere were well built, and there was actual naval combat. Naval combat in other RTS that came after always felt a bit underwhelming to me. I think I missed the submarines and the awesome soundblast from the cannons,. --

Yeah, I love the Warcraft, but a part of Blizzard's winning formula has
always been (well, I guess starting with Warcraft 1) dumbing down the experience other games introduced to make it a little more accessible, and supplementing that with great aesthetics. I plan on playing through those
again one of these days soon as well. Man, I'm going to have to have some
kind of insane RTS extravaganza by the looks of it. :)

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Command and Conquer, its spiritual sucessor, is the peak of DOS RTS. It features actually differentiated armies, units with strengths and weaknessesetc all. And their interface was much improved.

I still fire up Red Alert from time to time and still marvel at the game play and graphics, especially as it's ancient compared to todays standards.

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Re: Re: Cyberpunk 2077
By: jack phlash to Arelor on Thu Dec 17 2020 01:52 pm

Yeah, I love the Warcraft, but a part of Blizzard's winning formula has always been (well, I guess starting with Warcraft 1) dumbing down the experience other games introduced to make it a little more accessible, and supplementing that with great aesthetics. I plan on playing through those again one of these days soon as well. Man, I'm going to have to have some kind of insane RTS extravaganza by the looks of it. :)

I don't consider myself a Blizzard guru or anything, so I don't know which games they have made which are dumbed down versions of others. Can you share? I am curious! I guess Command and Conquer -> Warcraft 1 could count, but Warcraft 1 really feels more like its own thing.

I liked Diablo 1. It felt like a dumbed down Rogue played in real time and without permadeath. Maybe it counts as a dumbed down Moria?

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on 18 Dec 2020, Arelor said...

I don't consider myself a Blizzard guru or anything, so I don't know
which games they have made which are dumbed down versions of others. Can you share? I am curious! I guess Command and Conquer -> Warcraft 1 could count, but Warcraft 1 really feels more like its own thing.

I liked Diablo 1. It felt like a dumbed down Rogue played in real time
and without permadeath. Maybe it counts as a dumbed down Moria?

I was struggling with whether to use the term "dumbed down" thinking someone might jump on the negative connotations it has when I really didn't mean to imply any, but I don't think that is necessarily a factor in your reply.
Still, for the record, I don't see them streamlining the gameplay and
improving interfaces/controls as a negative thing at all. I'm a big Blizzard fan, or at least used to be.

So yeah, Warcraft was directly and undeniably inspired by Dune II, although as the series went on (and Starcraft spun off from it) I definitely agree that
it became its own thing and forked the RTS genre in a new direction away from what Westwood would do with C&C. Still, if you wanted to be super reductive, you could lump all of their RTS games under that umbrella.

Diablo is certainly inspired by a host of other games, Rogue and some other old school roguelikes like you said, most notably, but it's a little less clearcut IMO, but hey, you could certainly also argue that Diablo 1 isn't really a "Blizzard" game since it was well underway when Blizzard's parent company at the time bought them and rebranded them.

It's when you get to their newer games though, like World of Warcraft being
an iteration of the Everquest formula being an obvious example, and... let's see:
* Hearthstone was obviously heavily inspired by Magic the Gathering and its
video game adaptions (along with other CCGs, of course.)
* Heroes of the Storm was an blatant attempt to hop on the DOTA bandwagon
with League of Legends and DOTA2.
* Overwatch seems to have been HEAVILY influenced by Team Fortress 2.

It's not a huge body of evidence when typed out, but given how massive and influential Blizzard's games are, it always struck me as notable.

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On 15 Dec 20 10:17:08, G00R00 said the following to Jack Phlash:

Oh yeah I knew that, I just stumbled down that performance path as we were talking about things so I thought I'd pass it along.

Hey bud, can you shoot me an email, nandre -at- net229 -dot- org.

Had some questions for you...

Atreyu

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Hey bud, can you shoot me an email, nandre -at- net229 -dot- org.

Had some questions for you...

You looking for a feature to be added into the Mystic "Now with more Cow
Bell" release?

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On 19 Dec 20 23:27:12, Netsurge said the following to Atreyu:

Hey bud, can you shoot me an email, nandre -at- net229 -dot- org.

Had some questions for you...

You looking for a feature to be added into the Mystic "Now with more Cow Bell" release?

I am dead serious in my quest to badger him to death about this until he
either has an epic Cheeseburger Meltdown Combo or actually publishes something with the cowbell function.

But that wasn't my question. Its fancy developer super hacker stuff you wouldn't understand, but are happy to blindly trust and install when he releases his new Sharks With Freakin' Lasers Edition.

Atreyu

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On Sunday December 20, 2020, Atreyu said to Netsurge...

But that wasn't my question. Its fancy developer super hacker stuff you wouldn't understand, but are happy to blindly trust and install when he releases his new Sharks With Freakin' Lasers Edition.

Yes, you can use ? inplace of the PRINT statement in Commodore BASIC. That should answer your question.

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On 20 Dec 20 13:58:44, Netsurge said the following to Atreyu:

But that wasn't my question. Its fancy developer super hacker stuff you wouldn't understand, but are happy to blindly trust and install when he releases his new Sharks With Freakin' Lasers Edition.

Yes, you can use ? inplace of the PRINT statement in Commodore BASIC. That should answer your question.

I remember using two-letter Petscii shortcuts on the Vic20 all the time.

Atreyu

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