• Failure of blu-ray format?

    From Nightfox@21:1/137 to All on Fri Jan 27 17:01:01 2023
    I always thought the blu-ray media format was generally successful, as I keep on seeing new blu-ray releases (including 4K), but in the past couple days as I've looked at information online, I've just now heard that the blu-ray format is generally considered a flop and a commercial failure. And I've heard DVDs continue to sell more than blu-rays. That seems odd to me, considering that blu-rays are the successor to DVD and offer superior picture quality (mainly).

    Also, I've just heard one of the factors contributing to blu-rays being a "flop" is that apparently, many people did not realize that a blu-ray player can also play DVD discs. I'm haering now that many people didn't want to buy a blu-ray player because they already had a lot of DVD discs and didn't think a blu-ray player could play them.

    I'm thinking, is this really serious? I find it hard to believe.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Nightfox on Fri Jan 27 21:56:00 2023
    Hello Nightfox!

    ** On Friday 27.01.23 - 17:01, Nightfox wrote to All:

    [...] I've just now heard that the blu-ray format is
    generally considered a flop and a commercial failure.

    Also, I've just heard one of the factors contributing to
    blu-rays being a "flop" is that apparently, many people did
    not realize that a blu-ray player can also play DVD discs.
    [...]

    What are the sources of what you "heard"?


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Nightfox on Sat Jan 28 21:10:13 2023
    On 27 Jan 2023 at 05:01p, Nightfox pondered and said...

    player can also play DVD discs. I'm haering now that many people didn't want to buy a blu-ray player because they already had a lot of DVD discs and didn't think a blu-ray player could play them.

    That's me, I thought a blu-ray player would not play DVD... this is news to me that it might :)

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Avon on Sat Jan 28 09:12:00 2023
    Hello Avon!

    On 27 Jan 2023 at 05:01p, Nightfox pondered and said...

    player can also play DVD discs. I'm haering now that many people didn't
    want to buy a blu-ray player because they already had a lot of DVD discs
    and didn't think a blu-ray player could play them.

    That's me, I thought a blu-ray player would not play DVD... this is news
    to me that it might :)

    I always heard that Blu-ray players were backward compatible to
    DVD. When friend's dvd player started to act up, a simple $80
    blu-ray player solved the problem, and now he has the option to
    pick up the Blu-ray movies from the sales bins.




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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Nightfox on Sat Jan 28 18:34:06 2023
    Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Nightfox to All on Fri Jan 27 2023 05:01 pm

    I'm thinking, is this really serious? I find it hard to believe.

    It is totally serious.

    The Bluray standard had a bad start. By the time playing appliances were affordable and Bluray capable software was widespread, people was already getting their movies as digital downloads or over streaming services. Then there is also the fact you could buy a bluray disc and discover it would not play well in your appliance.

    If you had a DVD apliance that worked, you had no reason to upgrade. Image quality was theoretically better, but why bother? The Bluray experience was so broken at the time it made no sense to spend any money.

    DVD reading software is much more mature in Linux than Bluray software. If you operate mainly with FOSS, it does not make much sense to mess with Blueray. If you want HD movies you are much better off buying them digital and if you don't care if the movie is HD or not you just get the DVD or pirate the heck out of it.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Ogg on Sat Jan 28 17:28:33 2023
    Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Ogg to Nightfox on Fri Jan 27 2023 09:56 pm

    [...] I've just now heard that the blu-ray format is
    generally considered a flop and a commercial failure.

    Also, I've just heard one of the factors contributing to
    blu-rays being a "flop" is that apparently, many people did
    not realize that a blu-ray player can also play DVD discs.
    [...]

    What are the sources of what you "heard"?

    This article, for instance:
    https://bit.ly/3WKhX6e
    Full URL: https://heidijoyrobertson.medium.com/to-innovate-or-not-lessons-from-blu-rays-f ailures-ce2c56486eea

    Also:
    https://www.foxnews.com/tech/why-has-blu-ray-failed-to-catch-hold https://www.reddit.com/r/Bluray/comments/d4992t/i_hate_that_blu_ray_4k_blu_ray_ is_written_off_as/

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Avon on Sat Jan 28 17:29:57 2023
    Re: Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Avon to Nightfox on Sat Jan 28 2023 09:10 pm

    player can also play DVD discs. I'm haering now that many people
    didn't want to buy a blu-ray player because they already had a lot
    of DVD discs and didn't think a blu-ray player could play them.

    That's me, I thought a blu-ray player would not play DVD... this is news to me that it might :)

    I'm curious what made you think a blu-ray player wouldn't play DVDs? Why wouldn't it be backward compatible?

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Arelor on Sat Jan 28 17:32:40 2023
    Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Sat Jan 28 2023 06:34 pm

    not play well in your appliance.

    If you had a DVD apliance that worked, you had no reason to upgrade. Image

    What do you mean by "appliance" here?

    DVD reading software is much more mature in Linux than Bluray software. If you operate mainly with FOSS, it does not make much sense to mess with Blueray. If you want HD movies you are much better off buying them digital

    I'm not sure I agree with that.. I don't really like to rely on streaming services all the time, so I still like to buy physical copies of movies. I tend to buy blu-ray, and I'll rip them on my PC for my media server - I've been using MakeMKV to rip them, and that software works very well for blu-ray, including 4K blu-ray discs. I haven't had a problem with it.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Nightfox on Sun Jan 29 14:35:59 2023
    On 28 Jan 2023 at 05:29p, Nightfox pondered and said...

    I'm curious what made you think a blu-ray player wouldn't play DVDs? Why wouldn't it be backward compatible?

    Just honestly thought I needed a blu-ray player for playing DVDs just as I needed a DVD for DVDs... I have a unused blu-ray player lying around so must put it to the test...

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  • From Al@21:4/106.3 to Avon on Sat Jan 28 20:06:42 2023
    On 29 Jan 2023, Avon said the following...

    Just honestly thought I needed a blu-ray player for playing DVDs just as
    I needed a DVD for DVDs... I have a unused blu-ray player lying around
    so must put it to the test...

    I have a blu-ray player that gets used for everything on a disc. Music (CDs), DVDs and Blu-Rays. It's the only CD/DVD/BR player in the house now aside from the computer, it has a blu-ray burner that also gets used for CDs, DVDs and BD discs.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Nightfox on Sat Jan 28 23:15:00 2023
    Hello Nightfox!

    ** On Saturday 28.01.23 - 17:28, Nightfox wrote to Ogg:

    This article, for instance:
    https://bit.ly/3WKhX6e
    Full URL: https://heidijoyrobertson.medium.com/to-innovate-or-not-lessons-from-blu-r ays-f ailures-ce2c56486eea

    OK.. that just sounds like an opinion piece. One person. Does
    she have a technical background? I doubt it. Obviously she
    didn't read the user manual about her Blu-ray player being
    backward compatible; she's to blame for that, not Blu-ray.

    I still think there is plenty market for physical DVDs. Not
    everyone has streaming video as an option. She's obviously a
    metropolitan person and assumes everyone has access to high
    speed internet.


    Also:
    https://www.foxnews.com/tech/why-has-blu-ray-failed-to-catch-hold

    In this article too: "consumers don't realize that DVDs can be
    played on Blu-ray machines and erroneously believe they'll have
    to replace their entire DVD collection if they get a Blu-ray
    player." I can't believe that! The players clearly indicate
    that they are backward compatible.

    Myself, I have had no compelling reason to move to BluRay
    simply because my DVD player still works just fine even after
    15 years. The images are "good enuff" on my modest 32" TV.
    However, if I had one those 58" screens or something, *then* I
    might be persuaded to move to a BluRay machine and the new
    format. But I bet that most homes still don't have 58" TVs. ;)

    Also.. in that article he speaks of not much diff in quality
    between DVD and BluRay. Well.. that depends. Perhaps some
    BluRay products are merely transferred to the new medium
    without actual video enhancements. But from the handful of
    BluRay discs that I played, there was a modest noticeable
    difference. And, YES, the machine I had the pleasure of using
    had incorporated streaming options too.


    https://www.reddit.com/r/Bluray/comments/d4992t/i_hate_that_blu_ray_4k_blu _ray_ is_written_off_as/

    That article doesn't come up for me.

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  • From iNoNaMouSe@21:2/150 to Ogg on Sat Jan 28 21:51:08 2023
    Ogg wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Hello Nightfox!

    ** On Saturday 28.01.23 - 17:28, Nightfox wrote to Ogg:



    Myself, I have had no compelling reason to move to BluRay
    simply because my DVD player still works just fine even after
    15 years. The images are "good enuff" on my modest 32" TV.
    However, if I had one those 58" screens or something, *then* I
    might be persuaded to move to a BluRay machine and the new
    format. But I bet that most homes still don't have 58" TVs. ;)

    I think some would be surprised just HOW MANY homes have 50" +
    TV's these days. Heck, even the cost of a 65" is so low compared
    to where they used to be. The straglers out there in rural land
    are slowly dumping those DVDs also since 4g/5g internet or things
    like starlink are starting to reach them.

    My parents get no cable/DSL broadband to their home, but I set
    them up with an unlimited 4G LTE wifi connected in their home.
    They use the heck out of it now.

    They are 70+ and have a 65" LED TV :DSL
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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to iNoNaMouSe on Sun Jan 29 09:13:00 2023
    Hello iNoNaMouSe!

    I think some would be surprised just HOW MANY homes have
    50" + TV's these days. Heck, even the cost of a 65" is so
    low compared to where they used to be.

    Dunno the stats. But at 58", the rooms would need to be large,
    and I don't think most rural homes have large spaces for such
    tv screens for proper distancing for viewing.


    The straglers out there in rural land are slowly dumping
    those DVDs also since 4g/5g internet or things like
    starlink are starting to reach them.

    omg, starlink is way too much per month for tv/internet for a
    rural peasant like me. but i can imagine a community of homes
    sharing ONE device and splitting the cost.

    But I disagree with "dumping those DVDs". People who come up
    to rural land even for vacationing specifically look for
    hardcopy DVDs to buy.


    My parents get no cable/DSL broadband to their home, but I
    set them up with an unlimited 4G LTE wifi connected in
    their home. They use the heck out of it now.

    LTE == mobile? Who offers unlimited mobile data at LTE speeds?
    Are you sure they don't get throttled after a certain amount?


    They are 70+ and have a 65" LED TV :DSL

    They DO say that seniors lean toward to "large print" in time..
    and that screen is probably the result! :D


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Nightfox on Sun Jan 29 10:10:33 2023
    Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Sat Jan 28 2023 05:32 pm

    I'm not sure I agree with that.. I don't really like to rely on streaming s m, and that software works very well for blu-ray, including 4K blu-ray discs

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    Maybe things have changed, but the general imcompatibility of blu-rays with anything FOSS was a matter of magazine articles not long ago. There were some comercial packages that worked so-so and that was the most you would get.

    (Appliance is a machine packaged and tailored to its stated purpose ie: a DVD player)

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  • From iNoNaMouSe@21:2/150 to Ogg on Sun Jan 29 10:31:00 2023
    Ogg wrote to iNoNaMouSe <=-


    Dunno the stats. But at 58", the rooms would need to be large,
    and I don't think most rural homes have large spaces for such
    tv screens for proper distancing for viewing.

    I live in a condominium, which is not large by any means, and
    I have a 75" screen in my living room, and 55" in both bedrooms.
    They are easily viewable and comfortable viewing.




    My parents get no cable/DSL broadband to their home, but I
    set them up with an unlimited 4G LTE wifi connected in
    their home. They use the heck out of it now.

    LTE == mobile? Who offers unlimited mobile data at LTE speeds?
    Are you sure they don't get throttled after a certain amount?

    Yes, mobile LTE. There are companies that still offer this
    unlimited service. My parents have it, and I utilize it in my
    RV for streaming and internet when traveling.


    They are 70+ and have a 65" LED TV :DSL

    They DO say that seniors lean toward to "large print" in time..
    and that screen is probably the result! :D


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to iNoNaMouSe on Sun Jan 29 14:41:00 2023
    Hello iNoNaMouSe!


    Dunno the stats. But at 58", the rooms would need to be large,
    and I don't think most rural homes have large spaces for such
    tv screens for proper distancing for viewing.

    I live in a condominium, which is not large by any means, and
    I have a 75" screen in my living room, and 55" in both bedrooms.
    They are easily viewable and comfortable viewing.


    75" ..omg! I have a friend who has a 58" screen and I can't
    stand being closer than 8' from it to watch it comfortably.
    How far is your main seating for the 75"?

    Personally, I still have a modest 32" 16:4, and it is quite
    good enuff even at 10'.


    Yes, mobile LTE. There are companies that still offer this
    unlimited service. My parents have it, and I utilize it in my
    RV for streaming and internet when traveling.

    what company? Most of the mobile services in Canada now offer
    "unlimited" data, but they throttle after a pre-paid quota.



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  • From iNoNaMouSe@21:2/150 to Ogg on Sun Jan 29 15:20:43 2023
    Ogg wrote to iNoNaMouSe <=-



    75" ..omg! I have a friend who has a 58" screen and I can't
    stand being closer than 8' from it to watch it comfortably.
    How far is your main seating for the 75"?

    Personally, I still have a modest 32" 16:4, and it is quite
    good enuff even at 10'.

    You would be in the minority of everyone I know. I think very few
    are using a TV smaller than 45" in their homes anymore these days.
    Just look at the numbers from television sales. They don't lie :D

    A 65" Television is now the most popular purchased television size
    in North America

    https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/5/20682913/most-popular-tv-size-65-inch-55-preference-market-research
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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to iNoNaMouSe on Sun Jan 29 19:29:00 2023
    Hello iNoNaMouSe!

    Personally, I still have a modest 32" 16:4, and it is quite
    good enuff even at 10'.

    BTW.. I meant to type 32" 16:9 above.


    You would be in the minority of everyone I know. I think
    very few are using a TV smaller than 45" in their homes
    anymore these days. Just look at the numbers from
    television sales. They don't lie :D

    32" was a respectable size over 14 years ago. ;) I think I
    paid a bit over $400 for mine. That was a fair chunk of
    change.

    It's a fine size for a small office or bedroom.

    For family/group viewing, sure larger could be better.


    A 65" Television is now the most popular purchased television size
    in North America

    https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/5/20682913/most-popular-tv-size-65-inch-55 -preference-market-research iNoNaMouSe

    I'm in no hurry to bother. I don't even have any subscription
    for TV at this time either.

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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to iNoNaMouSe on Mon Jan 30 06:44:10 2023
    On 29 Jan 23 10:31:00 iNoNaMouSe wrote...

    I live in a condominium, which is not large by any means, and

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    So would that make it a condominimum?

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Ogg on Mon Jan 30 10:34:36 2023
    Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Ogg to Nightfox on Sat Jan 28 2023 11:15 pm

    https://bit.ly/3WKhX6e
    Full URL:
    https://heidijoyrobertson.medium.com/to-innovate-or-not-lessons-from-
    blu-r ays-f ailures-ce2c56486eea

    OK.. that just sounds like an opinion piece. One person. Does

    I sent multiple articles.. It's not just one person, but it seems a lot of people seem to think blu-ray has been a relative failure.

    I still think there is plenty market for physical DVDs. Not

    Sure, but I'm talking about blu-ray, not DVD. It seems DVDs actually still sell more than blu-ray discs, apparently because DVDs are less expensive and people have been confused about what blu-rays are etc.. Hence why people seem to think blu-ray is a relative failure (compared to DVDs).

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Arelor on Mon Jan 30 10:37:05 2023
    Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Sun Jan 29 2023 10:10 am

    Maybe things have changed, but the general imcompatibility of blu-rays with anything FOSS was a matter of magazine articles not long ago. There were some comercial packages that worked so-so and that was the most you would get.

    In my case, these days I mainly just either use a physical blu-ray player, or I'll rip it on my PC - In either case, I don't specifically need FOSS software anyway. There's one program I've been using for ripping discs (MakeMKV) and it works great for ripping blu-rays.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Nightfox on Mon Jan 30 13:24:50 2023
    Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Nightfox to Ogg on Mon Jan 30 2023 10:34 am

    Sure, but I'm talking about blu-ray, not DVD. It seems DVDs actually still elative failure (compared to DVDs).


    IIn my opinion, the reason why people here thinks blu-ray is a relative failure is because nobody I know knows anybody who purchases blu-ray discs or dedicated players :-)

    Back in the day we all knew somebody who had extensive VHS libraries. This people then expanded to DVD libraries. And there it ended.

    You only need to check Spanish retailers to see it. The space they dedicated to VHS used to be vast. WIth DVD they had the same dedicated space until the last years (when privacy started eating the profits away, I suppose), at which point they limited their offering quite a bit. Blu-ray space nowadays is anecdotic and they usually carry the most badass blockbusters and nothing else.


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Nightfox on Mon Jan 30 14:34:00 2023
    Hello Nightfox!

    I sent multiple articles.. It's not just one person, but it seems a lot of people seem to think blu-ray has been a relative failure.

    You sent three. But the last one, reddit, did not load.


    I still think there is plenty market for physical DVDs. Not

    Sure, but I'm talking about blu-ray, not DVD. It seems
    DVDs actually still sell more than blu-ray discs,
    apparently because DVDs are less expensive and people have
    been confused about what blu-rays are etc.. Hence why
    people seem to think blu-ray is a relative failure
    (compared to DVDs).

    DVD vs BluRay, noted. But I meant the physical thing, either
    DVD or BR. I see discount bins filled with both, ranging in
    prices from $4 - $12. Many people RV'ing, or camping, or
    cottaging, may not have streaming as an option everywhere. But
    when they feel like a movie, the physical thing is the go to.

    I think the people who wrote those bluray and dvd is dead
    articles live in cities and have no idea of the lack of high
    speed internet in rural areas.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Ogg on Mon Jan 30 12:40:36 2023
    Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Ogg to Nightfox on Mon Jan 30 2023 02:34 pm

    I sent multiple articles.. It's not just one person, but it seems a
    lot of people seem to think blu-ray has been a relative failure.

    You sent three. But the last one, reddit, did not load.

    The Reddit link was a fairly long link that was split into 2 lines when I pasted it. If it was still like that when you read it, both lines probably had to be put back together to form the full link.

    DVD vs BluRay, noted. But I meant the physical thing, either
    DVD or BR. I see discount bins filled with both, ranging in

    Yeah, I can understand that. I like having a physical copy too - I tend to try to buy the highest quality version available at the time.

    I think the people who wrote those bluray and dvd is dead
    articles live in cities and have no idea of the lack of high
    speed internet in rural areas.

    That's probably true. I'm seeing these people saying blu-ray and physical media are dead formats, yet they keep making blu-ray & DVD releases..

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to iNoNaMouSe on Mon Jan 30 12:46:10 2023
    Re: Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: iNoNaMouSe to Ogg on Sat Jan 28 2023 09:51 pm

    TV's these days. Heck, even the cost of a 65" is so low compared
    to where they used to be. The straglers out there in rural land
    are slowly dumping those DVDs also since 4g/5g internet or things
    like starlink are starting to reach them.

    I'm a little surprised that people are totally getting rid of all their physical media because of streaming. Streaming has its own issues - Sometimes the service has connectivity problems and might start buffering a lot. Also, they can remove content at any time. I've also heard of a couple situations where someone bought a movie on a streaming service, and later the service removed the movie.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to iNoNaMouSe on Mon Jan 30 12:48:38 2023
    Re: Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: iNoNaMouSe to Ogg on Sun Jan 29 2023 10:31 am

    I live in a condominium, which is not large by any means, and
    I have a 75" screen in my living room, and 55" in both bedrooms.
    They are easily viewable and comfortable viewing.

    I feel like a 55" TV would probably be a bit large for a bedroom. I currently have a 42" TV in my bedroom, and that's probably as big as I'd want in my bedroom. I'm not very far from it when viewing though. I previously had a 32" TV in my bedroom and I thought that was okay too.

    The TV in my living room is 55", and I sit farther back from that when viewing it.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to iNoNaMouSe on Mon Jan 30 12:50:51 2023
    Re: Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: iNoNaMouSe to Ogg on Sun Jan 29 2023 03:20 pm

    You would be in the minority of everyone I know. I think very few
    are using a TV smaller than 45" in their homes anymore these days.
    Just look at the numbers from television sales. They don't lie :D

    A 65" Television is now the most popular purchased television size
    in North America

    It probably depends on what room you're putting it in. I think many people (at least in the US) probably have more than one TV (one in the living room and one in the bedroom - and maybe another in kids' bedrooms). 65" would make sense for a living room, but for a bedroom I think one a lot smaller would be just fine. I had a 32" TV in my bedroom that I no longer have (after a divorce), and later I got a 42" TV in my bedroom, which I think is just fine - I almost feel like 42" is slightly too big for a bedroom though.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Ogg on Mon Jan 30 12:51:46 2023
    Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Ogg to iNoNaMouSe on Sun Jan 29 2023 07:29 pm

    32" was a respectable size over 14 years ago. ;) I think I
    paid a bit over $400 for mine. That was a fair chunk of
    change.

    "was a respectable size".. :) It seems like people keep wanting things that are bigger and bigger.. Depending on the size of the room, I think a 32" TV can still be just fine today.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Nightfox on Mon Jan 30 17:43:00 2023
    Hello Nightfox!

    32" was a respectable size over 14 years ago. ;) I think I
    paid a bit over $400 for mine. That was a fair chunk of
    change.

    "was a respectable size".. :)

    I spoke of it in past-tense because I purchased it in the past.
    THEN it was a CURRENT cost-effective popular size. Anyway.. I
    only purchased it because my existing 30" console TV gave up
    the ghost. Its 30"x30" screen seemed more satisfying than the
    new widescreen 32". At that time, I may have preferred a 42"
    to make up for the shorter vertical height on the 32", but the
    42" was at least $200 more or something like that.


    It seems like people keep wanting things that are bigger
    and bigger..

    That could be misleading. Maybe people simply buy what is
    available or in stock at the time. Retailers determine what
    they will carry on the floor.

    Anyway.. back to BluRay.. I don't see it as a failed tech. BR
    discs can usually have more feature-content added and longer
    playing times than a standard DVD. BR is far from dead. And.. I
    thought DL-DVD (8GB) was amazing wrt to storage.


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Nightfox on Mon Jan 30 17:29:43 2023
    Re: Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Nightfox to iNoNaMouSe on Mon Jan 30 2023 12:50 pm

    It probably depends on what room you're putting it in. I think many people
    but for a bedroom I think one a lot smaller would be just fine. I had a 32 edroom though.


    People having a TV in the bedroom is news to me.

    Around here, if people has an extra TV, it is usually in the kitchen so they can get their daily dose of misinformation while having breakfast.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Ogg on Mon Jan 30 16:44:32 2023
    Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Ogg to Nightfox on Mon Jan 30 2023 05:43 pm

    Anyway.. back to BluRay.. I don't see it as a failed tech. BR
    discs can usually have more feature-content added and longer
    playing times than a standard DVD. BR is far from dead. And.. I
    thought DL-DVD (8GB) was amazing wrt to storage.

    That's what I think as well. I don't see blu-ray as a failed technology.

    It is definitely superior to DVD. When people say it is a failed technology, I think what they're actually saying is not that it's not superior, but it's a market failure. I've read from different sources that for those who are buying movies & shows on physical media, DVD discs still vastly outsell blu-ray discs. Basically, after all these years, DVD still has a lot more marketshare than blu-ray. I find that mind-boggling, but I suppose that's where the market is. But many people are also no longer buying physical media at all, tending to just rely on streaming (which is something I don't like to do).

    The fact that so few people are apparently buying blu-ray disc probably means it's more of a niche thing (like buying vinyl recodrs), and blu-ray videos may end up being more expensive. And indeed, I have seen some blu-ray releases be fairly expensive sometimes (especially 4K versions). If not enough people are buying them, I suppose it makes sense that they'd get more expensive.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Arelor on Mon Jan 30 16:45:57 2023
    Re: Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Mon Jan 30 2023 05:29 pm

    People having a TV in the bedroom is news to me.

    Around here, if people has an extra TV, it is usually in the kitchen so they can get their daily dose of misinformation while having breakfast.

    Oh? I'm curious where you live, since it seems very common for people to have a TV in the bedroom where I live. And I can't say I've seen anyone with a TV in the kitchen.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Nightfox on Tue Jan 31 18:26:50 2023
    Re: Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Mon Jan 30 2023 04:45 pm

    Around here, if people has an extra TV, it is usually in the kitchen so they can get their daily dose of misinformation while having breakfast.

    Oh? I'm curious where you live, since it seems very common for people to ha

    I am from a small republic which borders with Spain just were its surrounding fences are.

    To be honest, I think TV is every bit as harmful as heroine these days. I don't know why anybody would have a set if it is not linked to some activity not related to watching TV broadcasts (such as playing game consoles or watching DVDs or whatever). The idea people has more than one TV set at home absolutely terrifies me.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Arelor on Tue Jan 31 16:47:47 2023
    Re: Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Tue Jan 31 2023 06:26 pm

    To be honest, I think TV is every bit as harmful as heroine these days. I don't know why anybody would have a set if it is not linked to some activity not related to watching TV broadcasts (such as playing game consoles or watching DVDs or whatever). The idea people has more than one TV set at home absolutely terrifies me.

    With my TVs, I often watch media from my home media server, and sometimes over-the-air broadcasts for local news and weather, and sometimes game shows, and sometimes streaming movies & shows from online streaming. I'm not sure what's so terrifying about it. I do occasionally play games on it too, but I'm more of a PC gamer than a console/TV gamer.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Nightfox on Wed Feb 1 08:52:24 2023
    Re: Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Tue Jan 31 2023 04:47 pm

    With my TVs, I often watch media from my home media server, and sometimes ov it. I do occasionally play games on it too, but I'm more of a PC gamer than


    It is terrifying because it shows people is getting addicted to a mind-rotting drug, and they are not even aware.

    I am sure you are familiar with the boiling frog analogy. If you put a frog in boiling water, it will try to escape. If you put a frog in warm water and then slowly heat the water up, it won't notice it is being boiled alive. As somebody who does not watch TV regularly, I can tell you that is exactly what is happening with TV.

    If you watch a TV broadcast now and a TV broadcast in one year, the decline in content and quality will horrorify you. Every single time I am accidentally exposed to TV, the material on it is tailored to dumber people than the last time. I am sure it is so gradual that if you are exposed to it regularly, you won't notice, but oh boy! Once you notice you will create a terrorist org to bomb TV stations in the name of sanity.

    The fact there is people putting themselves through this on their own will without realizing is depresing.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Arelor on Wed Feb 1 09:03:58 2023
    Re: Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Wed Feb 01 2023 08:52 am

    With my TVs, I often watch media from my home media server, and
    sometimes ov it. I do occasionally play games on it too, but I'm more
    of a PC gamer than

    It is terrifying because it shows people is getting addicted to a mind-rotting drug, and they are not even aware.

    If you watch a TV broadcast now and a TV broadcast in one year, the decline in content and quality will horrorify you. Every single time I am accidentally exposed to TV, the material on it is tailored to dumber people than the last time. I am sure it is so gradual that if you are exposed to it regularly, you won't notice, but oh boy! Once you notice you will create a terrorist org to bomb TV stations in the name of sanity.

    You can choose what to watch though.. They aren't forcing you to watch any particular thing.

    I heard that people used to say similar things about books (that they're mind-rotting etc.) before TV came aorund.

    To me, TV just seems like a form of entertainment. It's something to pass the time, and content can be taken with a grain of salt. That, and it can be good for local news, weather, etc..

    I am sure you are familiar with the boiling frog analogy. If you put a

    Actually I hadn't heard that.

    frog in boiling water, it will try to escape. If you put a frog in warm water and then slowly heat the water up, it won't notice it is being boiled alive. As somebody who does not watch TV regularly, I can tell you that is exactly what is happening with TV.

    Sounds like a lot of "sky is falling" kind of over-worrying. I don't think we are beholden to TV.

    IMO there's no harm in watching a movie or TV show, local news etc. every so often.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Nightfox on Wed Feb 1 16:14:00 2023
    Re: Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Wed Feb 01 2023 09:03 am

    I heard that people used to say similar things about books (that they're min

    I haven't, but then, I have not seen the contents of books crash down in quality as bad as I have seen TV in general. And I have seen very bad books.

    People does not get hooked to books the same way they get hooked to TV at all.

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  • From Daniele Somma@21:4/183 to Nightfox on Sun Feb 5 18:32:44 2023
    I'm thinking, is this really serious? I find it hard to believe.

    I doubt that's hard to believe, honestly.

    For me, these are the main 2 reasons this format failed:

    1) Streaming media surclassed physical media, even for videogames.
    2) Blu-rays aren't compatible with DVD players.

    Somehow reminds me the flop of the Video CD format. No one wanted to buy a VCD player knowing that they could still watch movies with VHS.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Daniele Somma on Mon Feb 6 10:49:44 2023
    Re: Re: Failure of blu-ray format?
    By: Daniele Somma to Nightfox on Sun Feb 05 2023 06:32 pm

    I'm thinking, is this really serious? I find it hard to believe.

    I doubt that's hard to believe, honestly.

    For me, these are the main 2 reasons this format failed:

    1) Streaming media surclassed physical media, even for videogames.

    I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "surclassed", but if you mean it's meant to be superior, I don't think streaming is superior to physical media. For videos, they often compress them to enable a good streaming experience, but that means the video quality is often quite a bit less than what you'd get on physical media.

    2) Blu-rays aren't compatible with DVD players.

    Of course not.. But, blu-ray came out in 2006 (17 years ago) - By now, I'd have expected that a lot of people would have probably replaced their DVD player with a blu-ray player as prices have gone down. I don't see how this would be such a problem impeding the sale of blu-ray discs. Cassette tapes replaced 8-track tapes in a similar fashion.

    Somehow reminds me the flop of the Video CD format. No one wanted to buy a VCD player knowing that they could still watch movies with VHS.

    I thought the video CD failed to catch on due to other reasons. I had never even heard of video CD, and by the time I did, I already had a DVD player. Maybe it's due to where I live, and perhaps video CD just never caught on at all in the US. People here mostly went straight from VHS to DVD (there was also Videodisc in between, but those were too expensive for most people).

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