Howdy,

I've just moved Hub 3 to Linux, and changed the software to binkd and hpt. (IE:




























































































































































Hub 3 is no longer a BBS - I didnt really want to maintain
a second BBS).

I also moved it so that it gets backed up daily, and will be a server that I wont "play with" as much, so hopefully I wont break it :)
(Although, I'm liking hpt, so expect me to play a little in the short term.)

Hopefully I didnt break anything with this change - please let me know if you see something unusual.

BINKP is alterant.leenooks.net:24555
BINKPS is alterant.leenooks.net:24556
EMSI TELNET is alternat.leenooks.net:60177
EMSI TCP is alternant.leenooks.net:60179

Hub 3 can also be connected via tor - let me know if you want to play with tor,




























































































































































and I also have jamNNTPD ready to be used as well.
...deon


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Hello alterego,

BINKPS is alterant.leenooks.net:24556

I just polled and all looks good. No delays. :)

My own binkps port is 24553. I took the BBS machine off the DMZ it had been on previously yesterday and forgot to open port 24553 in my router but it's all fixed up now. :)

Ttyl :-),
Al

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alterego wrote to All <=-

I've just moved Hub 3 to Linux, and changed the software to binkd and
hpt. (IE: Hub 3 is no longer a BBS - I didnt really want to maintain a second BBS).

BINKP is alterant.leenooks.net:24555
BINKPS is alterant.leenooks.net:24556
EMSI TELNET is alternat.leenooks.net:60177
EMSI TCP is alternant.leenooks.net:60179

What package are you using to support/offer EMSI? Thanks.



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Re: Hub 3
By: Al to alterego on Thu Apr 09 2020 03:23 pm

My own binkps port is 24553. I took the BBS machine off the DMZ it had been on previously yesterday and forgot to open port 24553 in my router but it's all fixed up now. :)

Confirmed, I see you loud and clear :)
...deon


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Re: Re: Hub 3
By: Blue White to alterego on Thu Apr 09 2020 04:23 pm

What package are you using to support/offer EMSI? Thanks.

Good old ifcico.

Its really buggy, so when I get time, I'm going to see if I can take a look at the source and atleast fix the core dumps...
...deon


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Re: Re: Hub 3
By: Blue White to alterego on Thu Apr 09 2020 04:23 pm

BINKP is alterant.leenooks.net:24555
BINKPS is alterant.leenooks.net:24556

Is there a recommended/"standard" port for binkps? I just enabled binkps on realitycheckBBS on port 24553.
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Hello poindexter,

BINKP is alterant.leenooks.net:24555
BINKPS is alterant.leenooks.net:24556

Is there a recommended/"standard" port for binkps? I just enabled
binkps on realitycheckBBS on port 24553.

Port 24553 is the more or less standard port for binkps. It's good to see it starting to be used more.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Re: Re: Hub 3
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Blue White on Thu Apr 09 2020 06:02 pm

Is there a recommended/"standard" port for binkps? I just enabled binkps on realitycheckBBS on port 24553.

I dont think there is a standard, but the common seems to be 24553 for those who enable it for their first instance.
...deon


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Hello alterego,

Is there a recommended/"standard" port for binkps? I just enabled
binkps on realitycheckBBS on port 24553.

I dont think there is a standard, but the common seems to be 24553 for those who enable it for their first instance.

24553 is what we have been using as standard. Digital Man applied to the port authority (whoever that is) to have that port officially assigned but I don't know if that did or will happen.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Re: Hub 3
By: Al to alterego on Thu Apr 09 2020 08:46 pm

24553 is what we have been using as standard. Digital Man applied to the port authority (whoever that is) to have that port officially assigned but I don't know if that did or will happen.

IIRC it got rejected.
...deon


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Hello alterego,

24553 is what we have been using as standard. Digital Man applied
to the port authority (whoever that is) to have that port
officially assigned but I don't know if that did or will happen.

IIRC it got rejected.

I don't know what the reasoning for that rejection was. Maybe there is not enough of us using binkps or port 24553?

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Al wrote (2020-04-09):

Hello alterego,

24553 is what we have been using as standard. Digital Man applied
to the port authority (whoever that is) to have that port
officially assigned but I don't know if that did or will happen.

IIRC it got rejected.

I don't know what the reasoning for that rejection was.

We have to ask Rob. The ticket only tells us that it was rejected. https://tools.iana.org/public-view/viewticket/1158485

Maybe there is
not enough of us using binkps or port 24553?

That would be a catch-22.

"Note: It is inappropriate to use a port number until your application has been




























































































































































approved for assignment."

from https://www.iana.org/form/ports-services

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poindexter wrote (2020-04-09):

Re: Re: Hub 3
By: Blue White to alterego on Thu Apr 09 2020 04:23 pm

BINKP is alterant.leenooks.net:24555
BINKPS is alterant.leenooks.net:24556

Is there a recommended/"standard" port for binkps?

There is no official standard at all for binkps, but there seemed to be a consensus for binkps on 24553, if binkp is on 24554.

I just enabled binkps on realitycheckBBS on port 24553.

works :)

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Oli wrote to Al <=-

That would be a catch-22.

"Note: It is inappropriate to use a port number until your application
has been approved for assignment."

from https://www.iana.org/form/ports-services

Sounds like we all need to use 24553 and make this a de facto standard.


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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Blue White <=-

Re: Re: Hub 3
By: Blue White to alterego on Thu Apr 09 2020 04:23 pm

BINKP is alterant.leenooks.net:24555
BINKPS is alterant.leenooks.net:24556

Is there a recommended/"standard" port for binkps? I just enabled
binkps on realitycheckBBS on port 24553.

I am not sure. That is something on my "to do" list but I have not yet implemented binkps.



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alterego wrote to Blue White <=-

What package are you using to support/offer EMSI? Thanks.

Good old ifcico.

Its really buggy, so when I get time, I'm going to see if I can take a look at the source and atleast fix the core dumps... ...deon

OK, thanks!



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poindexter wrote (2020-04-10):

Oli wrote to Al <=-

That would be a catch-22.

"Note: It is inappropriate to use a port number until your
application has been approved for assignment."

from https://www.iana.org/form/ports-services

Sounds like we all need to use 24553 and make this a de facto standard.

But a port number is not enough for a standard (de facto or official). We need a nodelist flag, SRV record, agreement on the TLS versions and how certificates



























































































































































are verified. Do clients have to support SNI, ESNI, TLSA records, ALPN? Should the nodelist flag

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Re: binkps port (was: Hub 3)
By: Oli to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Apr 11 2020 10:57 am

But a port number is not enough for a standard (de facto or official). We

need a nodelist flag, SRV record, agreement on the TLS

versions and how certificates
are verified. Do clients have to support SNI, ESNI, TLSA records, ALPN?

Should the nodelist flag support more parameters than host

and port? ...

I think they are probably all valid requirements.

We should just set the standard, since this is a new thing? ie: Lets start with



























































































































































IBS or SBN flag to indicate BINKPS (I prefer the latter).
...deon


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Oli wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

But a port number is not enough for a standard (de facto or official).
We need a nodelist flag, SRV record, agreement on the TLS versions and
how certificates are verified. Do clients have to support SNI, ESNI,
TLSA records, ALPN? Should the nodelist flag

Or, we could use binkps by arrangement, the same way we arrange session passwords with mailers we communicate with on a regular basis.

Baby steps.


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poindexter wrote (2020-04-11):

Oli wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

But a port number is not enough for a standard (de facto or
official). We need a nodelist flag, SRV record, agreement on the
TLS versions and how certificates are verified. Do clients have to
support SNI, ESNI, TLSA records, ALPN? Should the nodelist flag

Or, we could use binkps by arrangement, the same way we arrange session passwords with mailers we communicate with on a regular basis.

For this use case you could use any port number.

The other stuff is much more important, because it has to be supported by the software.

Baby steps.

The first baby steps are done, I'm getting all my mails over TLS (or Tor).

What's next? ;)

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Hey Folks,

Hub 3 might be a bit iffy today. I'm trying to track down 2 issues that I cant seem to create in my test envrionment.

I've put it in debug mode, and may need to keep increasing debugging in particular areas until I find it.

Hopefully regular programming will return soon.


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Re: Hub 3
By: deon to All on Thu Jun 27 2024 08:11 am

Howdy,

Hub 3 might be a bit iffy today. I'm trying to track down 2 issues that I cant seem to create in my test envrionment.

So the first issue I tracked down and fixed (clrghouz had mail for an upstream node, but for some reason wasnt sending it).

The 2nd issue has me stumped. I've been doing some updates after the last couple of days, and I started seeing session failures.

I've spent the last 24-36 hrs debugging and tracing and cant figure it out, so I'm now wondering if it is the upstream system (or my testing hasnt triggered the sequence for the problem).

I can see mail flowing between *most* nodes connected to Hub 3, with the exception of 3:
* 21:1/100 - although a test message just got a response from 6/100 which is via 1/100.
* 21:3/110
* 21:3/119
* 21:3/170

The only commonn thing I can see is that those nodes are using binkd (might be a coincidence?)

The issue I'm seeing is when those poll in, I'm sending a mail packet, and while waiting for the M_GOT, I'm getting random 3 chars (and those characters make me wait for more data which never arrives. After 5 mins, the binkd session times out.

I think if I poll outbound, I can successful send mail (not 100% confident that this is right).

Anybody else having issues?

Jay/Stephan/Drew if you get this I'd be keen to see your logs and maybe turn it up (especially if you are successful getting mail from other systems).


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On 27 Jun 2024 at 05:33p, deon pondered and said...

The 2nd issue has me stumped. I've been doing some updates after the last couple of days, and I started seeing session failures.
I've spent the last 24-36 hrs debugging and tracing and cant figure it out, so I'm now wondering if it is the upstream system (or my testing hasnt triggered the sequence for the problem).

Hi there

I've sent you some logging from my end at 1/100 which I hope helps :)

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On 28 Jun 2024, deon said the following...

Jay/Stephan/Drew if you get this I'd be keen to see your logs and maybe turn it up (especially if you are successful getting mail from other systems).

Sure, I can send some logs your way.

I'm currently set to loglevel 4 but can ramp that up for a bit as well.


Jay

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Re: Re: Hub 3
By: Warpslide to deon on Thu Jun 27 2024 08:12 am

Howdy,

Jay/Stephan/Drew if you get this I'd be keen to see your logs and maybe turn it up (especially if you are successful getting mail from other systems).

Sure, I can send some logs your way.

The verbose logging would be helpful, thanks.

In the mean time, I've spun up an old instance of clrghouz and are redirecting you and the others affected to it - so mail appears to be flowing for you now. Those not affected are on the latest clrghouz.

Just need to figure how I broke it. So I'll be progressing each commit until I find the commit that broke it - please bear with me if you see mail errors while I'm chasing this. (Least I know which commit works.)

(The wonders of containers and git that make this kinda easy to debug.)


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On 28 Jun 2024, deon said the following...

I can see mail flowing between *most* nodes connected to Hub 3, with the exception of 3:
* 21:1/100 - although a test message just got a response from 6/100
which is via 1/100.
* 21:3/110

I don't know if it's related/relevant but when I poll you I'm using IPv6 & SSL in binkd:

node 21:3/100@fsxnet -md -6 -pipe "openssl s_client -6 -quiet -alpn binkp -connect *H:*I" n3.z21.bbs.dege.au:24553 <password>


Jay

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Re: Re: Hub 3
By: Warpslide to deon on Thu Jun 27 2024 08:47 am

Howdy,

I don't know if it's related/relevant but when I poll you I'm using IPv6 & SSL in binkd:

Not related unfortunately. I have IPv6 and IPv4 nodes failing, as well as TLS and non-TLS.

The only common thing is binkd strangely.


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Re: Re: Hub 3
By: deon to Warpslide on Thu Jun 27 2024 10:40 pm

Howdy,

Just need to figure how I broke it. So I'll be progressing each commit until I find the commit that broke it - please bear with me if you see mail errors while I'm chasing this. (Least I know which commit works.)

OK, not sure how I broke it, reverted the patch that did it and we are back in action. Strange it was only affecting inbound connections (when that patch was addressing outbound ones), and only binkd systems.

Anyway, back to regular programming - let me know if you notice anything odd.


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Howdy,

For hub 3 nodes, sorry, I've been down the last few days.

A neighbours tree (across the road), which is about 25m high snapped in half due to high winds on Wednesday and landed on the power lines that supplies my house and neighbours house. It also included the HFC internet line.

It all happened at a time, when my kids were walking home from school, and my son got hit by the powerlines and the branches of the tree. Sparks flew everywhere, freaked him out, but thankfully the power line was insulated and he is OK.

(Also, fortunately, his sister was annoyed with him, so she was 5m or more behind him.)

Power was restored yesterday and I have the internet company coming out on Wednesday morning to restore the HFC capable. SO hopefully hub 3 will be back in business then.


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Re: Hub 3
By: deon to All on Mon Sep 02 2024 03:00 pm

Howdy,

For hub 3 nodes, sorry, I've been down the last few days.

Hub 3 is back online and processing mail.

Sorry for the outage folks :)


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On 04 Sep 2024, deon said the following...

Hub 3 is back online and processing mail.

Heeeeeey! We're back! :)


Jay

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On 04 Sep 2024 at 11:41a, deon pondered and said...

Hub 3 is back online and processing mail.

Sorry for the outage folks :)

welcome back :)

Sorry to hear of the weather issues etc... I hope things are on the mend for you now.

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On 04 Sep 2024 at 05:24a, Warpslide pondered and said...

On 04 Sep 2024, deon said the following...

Hub 3 is back online and processing mail.

Heeeeeey! We're back! :)

heeey :)

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Hub 3 is back online and processing mail.

Sorry for the outage folks :)

Thanks for bringing things back online once you were able to. Hope everything else is good since the storm. No need to apologize :)

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