• Updates

    From Avon@21:1/101 to All on Sat Apr 4 16:11:08 2020
    Guys I have applied the same build to all three Mystic HUBs now so if you
    want to run some tests please feel free to do so.

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  • From Rick Smith@21:1/190 to Avon on Fri Apr 3 20:21:55 2020
    Greetings Avon!

    Saturday April 04 2020 16:11, you wrote to All:

    Guys I have applied the same build to all three Mystic HUBs now so if
    you want to run some tests please feel free to do so.

    What are we testing?

    Regards,

    Nitro


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  • From alterego@21:2/116 to Avon on Sat Apr 4 14:26:40 2020
    Re: Updates
    By: Avon to All on Sat Apr 04 2020 04:11 pm

    Guys I have applied the same build to all three Mystic HUBs now so if you want to run some tests please feel free to do so.

    OK, here goes:

    So, if you dont mind, I'm up for an experiment.

    This message will have a long line in it (like the ones Oli has been sending), and will be exported from me to 2/100 and 3/100.

    Here it is: 01234567890ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ01234567890ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ01234


































































































































































    567890ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ01234567890ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ0123456789


































































































































































    0ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ01234567890ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ01234567890ABCD


































































































































































    EF
    (If I have done my maths and pasting correctly, it is 8 iterations of 36 chars 0-9A-Z - 288 chars, so breaking that 256 char limit that seems to be here.)

    What I'm going to test, is that 3/100 does not send it to 2/100 - because 2/100


































































































































































    should already be in the SEEN-BY line. At the same time, 2/100 shouldnt try to send it to 3/100 (I'll watch to see if it comes in).

    After the Hub's get the message, both 2/100 and 3/100 will export it to 1/100 and 4/100, so those 2 systems should see the second copy as a dupe - and it should be safely discarded.

    The theory is - those on Hub 2 and 3 should not get a dupe at all - since the message should only be sent once to those hubs.

    If you are on Hub 1 and 4, and you get a dupe, then 2 things are broken - your Hub sent you both copies (we should try and understand why), and your BBS imported it them (and if both copies were different, that would make sense - but otherwise if they we
    As a bit of fun, any bets on who sends it to 1/100 and 4/100 first?
    ...deon


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Rick Smith on Sat Apr 4 16:27:11 2020
    On 03 Apr 2020 at 08:21p, Rick Smith pondered and said...

    What are we testing?

    Some issues with dupes being looked at by some of the guys etc. if you look back through some past messages you'll be able to catch up on this :)

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  • From alterego@21:2/116 to Avon on Sat Apr 4 14:36:50 2020
    Re: A test...
    By: alterego to Avon on Sat Apr 04 2020 02:26 pm

    What I'm going to test, is that 3/100 does not send it to 2/100 - because

    So confirmed - Hub 3 only sent it to 4/100 and 1/100 (as expected, since 2/100 should have already been in the SEEN-BY:

    2020-04-04 14:26:55 Sending packet (C:\BBS\SBBS\temp\sbbsecho\5e87fe80.pkt, 2.4KB) from 21:3/100 to 21:4/100
    2020-04-04 14:26:55 Sending packet (C:\BBS\SBBS\temp\sbbsecho\5e87fe7f.pkt, 2.4KB) from 21:3/100 to 21:1/100

    However, I got the message back from all 3 hubs (on 3/100)

    2020-04-04 14:27:37 Importing C:\mailer\inbound\023f9f78.pkt (Type 2e, 2.4KB) from 21:4/100 to 21:3/100
    2020-04-04 14:27:37 ERROR 1 (smb_addmsg duplicate X-FTN-MSGID: 276.fsx_net@21:2/116 22ed3584 found in message #276) line 3615 adding message to fsx_net

    2020-04-04 14:27:37 Unpacking bundle: C:\mailer\inbound\ffff0000.fr4 (1.5KB) 2020-04-04 14:27:37 Importing C:\mailer\inbound\024A93B4.PKT (Type 2e, 2.3KB) from 21:2/100 to 21:3/100
    2020-04-04 14:27:37 ERROR 1 (smb_addmsg duplicate X-FTN-MSGID: 276.fsx_net@21:2/116 22ed3584 found in message #276) line 3615 adding message to fsx_net

    2020-04-04 14:27:37 Unpacking bundle: C:\mailer\inbound\fffe0000.sac (1.5KB) 2020-04-04 14:27:37 Importing C:\mailer\inbound\02BCB7FF.PKT (Type 2e, 2.4KB) from 21:1/100 to 21:3/100
    2020-04-04 14:27:37 ERROR 1 (smb_addmsg duplicate X-FTN-MSGID: 276.fsx_net@21:2/116 22ed3584 found in message #276) line 3615 adding message to fsx_net

    2020-04-04 14:27:37 Duplicate: 3 detected in FSX_NET
    ...deon


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  • From Black Panther@21:1/186 to alterego on Fri Apr 3 22:08:46 2020
    On 04 Apr 2020, alterego said the following...

    What I'm going to test, is that 3/100 does not send it to 2/100 - bec

    So confirmed - Hub 3 only sent it to 4/100 and 1/100 (as expected, since 2/100 s hould have already been in the SEEN-BY:

    I actually got the message here on 1/186 twice. Both of them seem to be cut short.

    The one that made it into the message base had a path:

    2/116 100 1/100

    The dupe that I received had a path of:

    2/116 3/100 1/100


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    Black Panther(RCS)
    Castle Rock BBS

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to alterego on Fri Apr 3 21:25:44 2020
    166
    Hello alterego,

    Here it is: 01234567890ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ01234567890ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUV WXYZ01234 567890ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ01234567890ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ0 123456789 0ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ01234567890ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ012345 67890ABCD EF

    Is that the end of what you sent?

    (If I have done my maths and pasting correctly, it is 8
    iterations of 36 chars 0-9A-Z - 288 chars, so breaking that 256 char
    limit that seems to be here.)

    I dunno but I think it's a bit short..

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From alterego@21:2/116 to Al on Sat Apr 4 15:33:21 2020
    Re: A test...
    By: Al to alterego on Fri Apr 03 2020 09:25 pm

    I dunno but I think it's a bit short..

    Yup, it was :(
    ...deon


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to All on Wed Apr 8 13:31:02 2020
    On 04 Apr 2020 at 04:11p, Avon pondered and said...

    Guys I have applied the same build to all three Mystic HUBs now so if you want to run some tests please feel free to do so.

    I have applied further changes at NET 1 2 4 .. I wonder if this will blend?

    Feel free to test as/when able?

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Avon on Tue Apr 7 18:32:22 2020
    166
    Hello Avon,

    I have applied further changes at NET 1 2 4 .. I wonder if this will blend?

    It seems to blend.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Avon on Tue Apr 7 18:33:52 2020
    166
    Hello Avon,

    I have applied further changes at NET 1 2 4 .. I wonder if this will blend?

    Feel free to test as/when able?

    What kind of changes did you do and what kind of tests are needed?

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Al on Wed Apr 8 13:44:56 2020
    On 07 Apr 2020 at 06:33p, Al pondered and said...

    What kind of changes did you do and what kind of tests are needed?

    Changes to tossing to see if any of the char breaking issues and wrapping issues are any better...

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Avon on Tue Apr 7 18:47:36 2020
    166
    Hello Avon,

    What kind of changes did you do and what kind of tests are
    needed?

    Changes to tossing to see if any of the char breaking issues and
    wrapping issues are any better...

    OK, I'm going to ramble on here a bit and make this paragraph something longer than 256 characters. I hope it'll be obvious to readers if it has been cut off since the editor I am using will not wrap text at 80 characters and neither will my tosser. It'll
    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Avon on Tue Apr 7 18:54:12 2020
    166
    Hello Avon,

    Changes to tossing to see if any of the char breaking issues and
    wrapping issues are any better...

    Did my previous reply arrive intact at your node?

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Al on Wed Apr 8 14:01:34 2020
    On 07 Apr 2020 at 06:47p, Al pondered and said...

    @PATH: 4/106 100 1/100
    Hello Avon,

    What kind of changes did you do and what kind of tests are
    needed?

    Changes to tossing to see if any of the char breaking issues and wrapping issues are any better...

    OK, I'm going to ramble on here a bit and make this paragraph something longer t han 256 characters. I hope it'll be obvious to readers if it
    has been cut off si nce the editor I am using will not wrap text at 80 characters and neither will m y tosser. It'll
    Al



    Hmmm

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Avon on Tue Apr 7 19:02:42 2020
    166
    Hello Avon,

    something longer t han 256 characters. I hope it'll be obvious to
    readers if it has been cut off si nce the editor I am using will
    not wrap text at 80 characters and neither will m y tosser. It'll

    Hmmm

    It does make me go Hmmm also.

    It's not a problem across the board. I saw a message from an MBSE BBS with long






























































































































































    paragraphs intact. That makes me think that MBSE also wraps messages at 80 characters.

    It does affect me using GoldED. Golded writes paragraphs as long lines in the message base and my tosser won't change it in any way.

    Also offline readers in most every case will wrap text at 80 characters so anyone using offline mail is unaffected.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Al on Wed Apr 8 14:22:31 2020
    On 07 Apr 2020 at 07:02p, Al pondered and said...

    It does make me go Hmmm also.

    It's not a problem across the board. I saw a message from an MBSE BBS
    with long paragraphs intact. That makes me think that MBSE also wraps messages at 80 chara cters.

    It does affect me using GoldED. Golded writes paragraphs as long lines
    in the me ssage base and my tosser won't change it in any way.

    I'm time poor to test this attempt to fix things but if others can try to
    repro the issues of char cut and the LF CR thing that would be good.

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Avon on Tue Apr 7 19:45:12 2020
    Hello Avon,

    I'm time poor to test this attempt to fix things but if others can try
    to repro the issues of char cut and the LF CR thing that would be
    good.

    Yep, it's a conundrum that we are in today. It's not g00r00's doing, it's something that he and other BBS developers need to contend with.

    Back in the BBS heydays I think most everyone was using an 80x25 terminal. Even






























































































































































    today I am using an 80x30 terminal for BBSing.

    You'll notice my paragraphs are short these days. :)

    The idea to use long lines for paragraphs is a good one. The text can be wrapped dynaically for the readers screen size instead of an 80x25 screen that may or may not be used.

    Can you guys with different software post some >256 character paragraphs so we can see what happens?

    I think this wrapping is quite popular among different BBS software.

    But regardless of wrapping characters or not tossers should never change mail in transit.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Oli@21:3/102 to Al on Wed Apr 8 08:41:00 2020
    Al wrote (2020-04-07):

    Hello Avon,

    something longer t han 256 characters. I hope it'll be obvious to
    readers if it has been cut off si nce the editor I am using will
    not wrap text at 80 characters and neither will m y tosser. It'll

    It seems there is another bug in Mystic with long-lines. It adds a whitespace after 80 characters in quotes.

    It's not a problem across the board. I saw a message from an MBSE BBS
    with long paragraphs intact. That makes me think that MBSE also wraps messages at 80 characters.

    I don't understand what you mean.

    ---
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  • From Oli@21:3/102 to Al on Wed Apr 8 09:09:49 2020
    Al wrote (2020-04-07):

    OK, I'm going to ramble on here a bit and make this paragraph something longer than 256 characters. I hope it'll be obvious to readers if it has been cut off since the editor I am using will not wrap text at 80 characters and neither will my tosser. It'll

    X-JAM-PATH2D: 4/106 100 3/100 102

    this one was cut off by 4/100

    ---
    * Origin: (21:3/102)
  • From Oli@21:3/102 to Avon on Wed Apr 8 09:12:43 2020
    Avon wrote (2020-04-08):

    On 07 Apr 2020 at 07:02p, Al pondered and said...

    It does make me go Hmmm also.

    It's not a problem across the board. I saw a message from an MBSE
    BBS with long paragraphs intact. That makes me think that MBSE also
    wraps messages at 80 chara cters.

    It does affect me using GoldED. Golded writes paragraphs as long
    lines in the me ssage base and my tosser won't change it in any
    way.

    I'm time poor to test this attempt to fix things but if others can try to repro the issues of char cut and the LF CR thing that would be good.

    I don't think we need further tests. It is already established that Mystic 2020/03/26 and 2020/03/29 builds don't do line wrapping for in-transit mail anymore, but lines/paragraphs gets truncated after character 255.

    Three options:

    1) wait until it's fixed in Mystic
    2) downgrade to an older Mystic build
    3) use another tosser

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Oli on Wed Apr 8 19:45:07 2020
    On 08 Apr 2020 at 09:12a, Oli pondered and said...

    I don't think we need further tests. It is already established that

    I disagree.

    Mystic 2020/ 03/26 and 2020/03/29 builds don't do line wrapping for

    It's the MUTIL in Mystic that is being tested Oli and the versions I am
    testing are not tied to those releases.

    Three options:

    1) wait until it's fixed in Mystic
    2) downgrade to an older Mystic build
    3) use another tosser

    Cheers

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Oli on Wed Apr 8 00:40:18 2020
    166
    Hello Oli,

    It seems there is another bug in Mystic with long-lines. It adds a whitespace after 80 characters in quotes.

    I think that's because Mystic has always had these messages wrapped at <80 characters so it has never needed to deal with that.

    It's not a problem across the board. I saw a message from an MBSE
    BBS with long paragraphs intact. That makes me think that MBSE
    also wraps messages at 80 characters.

    I don't understand what you mean.

    BBSs that wrap message text at <80 characters are not affected by losing characters at 255 characters because it never happens when they wrap text on export, or when saved.

    Only text in long lines gets truncated.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Oli@21:3/102 to Avon on Wed Apr 8 10:36:10 2020
    Avon wrote (2020-04-08):

    On 08 Apr 2020 at 09:12a, Oli pondered and said...

    I don't think we need further tests. It is already established
    that

    I disagree.

    Mystic 2020/ 03/26 and 2020/03/29 builds don't do line wrapping
    for

    It's the MUTIL in Mystic that is being tested Oli and the versions I am testing are not tied to those releases.

    Can you share more information? Which mutil versions are you testing? Did g00r00 release a newer version?

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Al on Tue Apr 21 16:20:59 2020
    On 20 Apr 2020 at 12:06p, Al pondered and said...

    g00r00 has eyes on this an is planning to update the prealphas and I
    think that is what you'll want. Should be soonish.

    OK have updated 1/100 now... let's see how that one goes. Cheers.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to alterego on Sun Aug 23 11:18:19 2020
    On 21 Aug 2020 at 10:36p, alterego pondered and said...

    Howdy,

    Hey

    I've setup makenl for Hub 3 - and I'll drop a segment to 1/100 for the nodelist
    to be updated. Let me know if I need to rename the file so that it
    happens automatically.

    Got it and applied this manually for now, thanks for the file.

    Did you get my netmail from a few weeks back?

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  • From alterego@21:2/116 to Avon on Sun Aug 23 09:51:57 2020
    Re: Re: Updates
    By: Avon to alterego on Sun Aug 23 2020 11:18 am

    Howdy,

    Did you get my netmail from a few weeks back?

    I did - hence why I setup makenl yesterday...

    That's the one right?

    ...лоеп

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to alterego on Thu Aug 27 16:23:27 2020
    On 23 Aug 2020 at 09:51a, alterego pondered and said...

    I did - hence why I setup makenl yesterday...

    That's the one right?

    I think it works :)

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