Hello I wanted to discuss Proton and the several services they provide.
Not a proton user myself, but may be worth looking at.
I'm a FastMail/Gmail user...
What is y'alls opinion on e.g ProtonVPN, Proton Mail?
I'd like to know :3!
Part of the problem I have with Proton is that they skip plenty common email standards, so you cannot use a regular email client with it. If you use a tightened security focused browser, the web interface can become a bit sluggy. It certainly gets the job done and they offer a functional free tier, so all in all it is not bad.
Nowadays I run my own email server, lol.
niter3 wrote to Vintholdt <=-
I'm a FastMail/Gmail user...
Arelor wrote to Vintholdt <=-
Nowadays I run my own email server, lol.
Re: Proton
By: Vintholdt to All on Fri Mar 14 2025 02:29 am
What is y'alls opinion on e.g ProtonVPN, Proton Mail?
I'd like to know :3!
Proton Mail is ok. Of the people who uses it, I am part of the minority that does not think it is great.
Part of the problem I have with Proton is ...
Personally I prefer the Startmail model. I know I am a minority here too, but being able to use Startmail with standard email software is just so much better than other pseudo-email services out there.
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IMAP4, EAS
Access to all Mailo services: mail, calendar, address book, cloud, sharing...
I just learned about another one that offers free IMAP: mailo.
You can use standard mail clients, if you install proton bridge.Part of the problem I have with Proton is that they skip plenty common standards, so you cannot use a regular email client with it. If you use
My domain host offers POP3 and IMAP email for my domains. I'm tempted to
run Fetchmail or some such utility and pull mail to a local mail server. Synology has a nice self-contained mail server I've wanted to try.*
I just learned about another one that offers free IMAP: mailo.
I find it quite puzzling they sell themselves as a privacy
respecting provider and the next thing they say is their
free plan comes with advertisement :-P
I just learned about another one that offers free IMAP: mailo.
I also had one of those free Google Workspace accounts. They offered a free 30-day upgrade to the paid version with more features and I took
it. There was no way to revert after the 30 days. Bastards.
I sense a pattern here.
If what you think is the product is "free" then perhaps it is you that
is the actual product?
On 14 Mar 2025, Ogg said the following...
I just learned about another one that offers free IMAP: mailo.
If what you think is the product is "free" then perhaps it
is you that is the actual product?
Goose wrote to Vintholdt <=-
Part of the problem I have with Proton is that they skip plenty common standards, so you cannot use a regular email client with it. If you useYou can use standard mail clients, if you install proton bridge.
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Yeah, if you are paying for a domain and don't store that much stuff in your (e)mailbox, then using your provider's email service is workable.
I don't think I would feel very confident running an Internet facing
email service from a commercial NAS appliance. Security for those
things has a poor track record. I would only do that sort of thing if I could place an email gateway in front of it, but that is a bit
overkill.
Arelor wrote to Ogg <=-
I find it quite puzzling they sell themselves as a privacy respecting provider and the next thing they say is their free plan comes with advertisement :-P
(But, yes, probably best to worry about for-profit businesses bearing free gifts. Even if the worry doesn't go away after paying for something, because who knows when they'll decide they could earn more?)
Very interesting - looks like a local email server on the client end, connected to Proton Mail on the back-end.
Impressive, too - https://proton.me/blog/bridge-security-model
On the other hand, what is worrying is the sustainability of many of
those practices. Many users become dependant on free services that are
no sustainable in the long run because they don't generate enough
revenue. When the service goes down they all scramble like beheaded chickens.
Adept wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Yeah, this is why I want to control my own stuff as much as possible. Starting with e-mail, where I control the domain and the server, and if MxRoute (a solid e-mail server provider) gets worse, all I have to do
is point the domains elsewhere and the problem is solved.
And then I'm using LibreOffice, and so on. I should probably switch to Linux again, but there's a variety of stuff I haven't wanted to deal
with.
Ogg wrote to k9zw <=-
But, with the IMAP support, you can use your own local email
program that implements your own pgp system. That way, they
have absolutely no access to your emails.
Arelor wrote to Adept <=-
On the other hand, what is worrying is the sustainability of many of
those practices. Many users become dependant on free services that are
no sustainable in the long run because they don't generate enough
revenue. When the service goes down they all scramble like beheaded chickens.
On the other hand, what is worrying is the sustainability of many of those practices. Many users become dependant on free services that are no sustainable in the long run because they don't generate enough revenue. When the service goes down they all scramble like beheaded chickens.
Isn't that generally the cycle? Try to gain a large enough following by having a really pleasant-to-use product for free or cheap, then decrease the usefulness/pleasantness and increase the price?
I don't think I would feel very confident running an Internet facing
email service from a commercial NAS appliance. Security for those things has a poor track record. I would only do that sort of thing if I could place an email gateway in front of it, but that is a bit overkill.
dflorey wrote to Arelor <=-
gateway and spam filter, if you don't use Sophos you can use Proxmox
Mail Gateway - free version works pretty well.
I'd forgotten Proxmox Mail Gateway - thanks for reminding me. I've been considering using Synology's mail server at home, having additional security in front of it would be helpful. I already run Proxmox VE and their backup server...
dflorey wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Also, how do you find Proxmox backup? I've not looked into it at all
yet. I wanted to give PmVE a go a couple years back but I do like my
Veeam Backup & Replication - which obviously doesn't support PVE.
I'd forgotten Proxmox Mail Gateway - thanks for reminding me. I've been considering using Synology's mail server at home, having additional
security in front of it would be helpful. I already run Proxmox VE and
their backup server...
If I was to move to Proxmox (which I haven't ruled out), I would want to ensure backups and restores are very painless, allow restoring part or all of an instance, or the ability to mount a backup and pull files from a virtual disk.
Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
If you already have a Proxmox VE then the easiest path for you is to
spin up a virtual machine and install iRedMail on it. Or any iRedMail alternative at that. If you are taking 5 concurrent users top then you need nothing more complex than this.
Proxmox backup is mainly designed to take snapshots of your virtual machines and restore snapshots of your virtual machines in an atomic operation. This means you are not going to be able to fish for a single TXT file in your backup
Exactly what I thought it would be and nothing more - which is great, and being able to pull files individually, not critical, but if I needed to pull a file, or folder, or database, or something, and not interrupt the production VM, I assume one could restore to a separate VM instance or to a different VE node, boot it in isolation, extract the content required and move it off to the prod VM?
Do you know if Proxmox has Dell OMSA support?
If you are a cheap sort of person you can keep your production VM
running and restore an old version of the same alongside it. You get the option to assign a different MAC address to the restored copy which is handy if you are the sort of person who uses pseudostatic DHCP/DNS for identifying your VMs. Just invent a new MAC address for the restored
copy, then point your DHCP/DNS to it, and your restored VM is instantly reachable without interfering with the production VM.
Nothing official, but since Proxmox has a Debian base you can bolt
support on it without too much difficulty. https://old.reddit.com/r/Proxmox/comments/zdiu4o/dell_omsa_on_proxmox_73/
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