• Re: hello! :DD

    From mary4@21:1/166 to Ed Vance on Wed Apr 24 09:15:48 2024
    Where I worked, my section first got a 'hand me down' 8088 XT Clone when our boss got a 286.
    When the boss got a 386, the 286 came our way.

    My section used those PCs to send Morning and Evening reports to another office.
    Myself, I thought the 286 seemed slower saving downloads than the 8088 clone had.
    The 286 had a faster CPU and bigger Harddrive, but to me I wasn't as comfortable using it as I was with the first computer we used.

    Later again, the 386 was put on our desk.

    I was using the Commodore 64 system at home while learning to use DOS at work on those 3 computers.
    My first DOS PC at home had DOS 5.0 , I couldn't get interested in wanting the early release's of DOS 6 .
    But that's Me.

    nice story!
    :DDD what u think of the 286?

    --mary4 (Victoria Crenshaw) the 286 enthusiast

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  • From mary4@21:1/166 to Ed Vance on Wed Apr 24 09:17:47 2024
    Sorry, tapped wrong area on this phone.
    Last message to You was same as My I.Q. ZERO.
    Ed

    lol it's a okay! :D :3

    --mary4 (Victoria Crenshaw) the 286 enthusiast

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Ed Vance on Wed Apr 24 08:15:21 2024
    My first DOS PC at home had DOS 5.0 , I couldn't get interested in
    wanting the
    early release's of DOS 6 .
    But that's Me.

    IIRC, the early versions of DOS 6 were not a big improvement over DOS 5.0
    and were actually buggy. I did not make any quick moves to upgrade from
    5 to 6, either, staying with 5 until well after the release of DOS 6.22.
    I had the benefit of upgrading systems where I worked and seeing what the various flavors of DOS 6 did (or didn't) do, and 6.22 seemed fairly
    stable.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Blue White on Wed Apr 24 07:17:00 2024
    Blue White wrote to Ed Vance <=-

    IIRC, the early versions of DOS 6 were not a big improvement over DOS
    5.0 and were actually buggy.

    Buggy in a serious way -- early disk compression software had some
    serious issues and ate filesystems occasionally.

    I remember the AddStor/Stacker/Doublespace/Drivespace days well. Tried
    running the BBS with Superstor for a while, worked OK - especially since
    my co-sysop worked in QA there, so I had top-notch access to tech
    support. :)




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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Apr 24 09:44:58 2024
    Re: Re: Early PCs
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Blue White on Wed Apr 24 2024 07:17 am

    IIRC, the early versions of DOS 6 were not a big improvement over DOS 5.0
    and were actually buggy.

    Buggy in a serious way -- early disk compression software had some serious issues and ate filesystems occasionally.

    Also, I remember hearing about a lawsuit against Microsoft because they apparently used code from another product (I believe it was Stacker) for their DoubleSpace disk compression software. Microsoft removed DoubleSpace in MS-DOS 6.21, and then added DriveSpace in MS-DOS 6.22, from what I recall.

    Nightfox
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Nightfox on Wed Apr 24 09:57:15 2024
    Re: Re: Early PCs
    By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Apr 24 2024 09:44 am

    Also, I remember hearing about a lawsuit against Microsoft because they apparently used code from another product (I believe it was Stacker) for their DoubleSpace disk compression software. Microsoft removed DoubleSpace in MS-DOS 6.21, and then added DriveSpace in MS-DOS 6.22, from what I recall.

    Yep, they did the old brain-drain thing. Start talks to acquire STAC, and while in negotiation, snarf enough data on the product to create your own product.

    If I'm not mistaken, DriveSpace was essentially DoubleSpace 2.0, with improvements and the STAC-suspicious code removed. Microsoft gets a jump on their 1.0 product, pays a slap on the wrist to STAC, then kills the marketplace with their own free product. Sounds Familiar...
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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Apr 25 06:54:00 2024
    I remember the AddStor/Stacker/Doublespace/Drivespace days well. Tried running the BBS with Superstor for a while, worked OK - especially since


    We had people here trying to flog systems with "160Mb" HDs in them, which for the most part turned out to be 80Mb MFM's that had compression added. Back
    when 160Mb was still a large drive..

    Spec


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  • From AKAcastor@21:1/162 to Spectre on Wed Apr 24 14:44:26 2024
    We had people here trying to flog systems with "160Mb"
    HDs in them, which for
    the most part turned out to be 80Mb MFM's that had compression added. Back when 160Mb was still a large drive..

    There definitely were plenty of PC sellers from the school of used car sales in those times! A heyday for that type.

    The 'big' disks, due to compression, didn't work out so well for making more space for BBS file downloads! (amongst other issues, of course)

    Disk compression was rather ... underwhelming ... when storing a bunch of .ZIP files. :)

    Honestly though, the times I used DriveSpace and it didn't destroy all my data, it did seem like magic - more disk space for FREE!


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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to AKAcastor on Wed Apr 24 15:22:50 2024
    Re: Re: Early PCs
    By: AKAcastor to Spectre on Wed Apr 24 2024 02:44 pm

    The 'big' disks, due to compression, didn't work out so well for making more space for BBS file downloads! (amongst other issues, of course)

    Disk compression was rather ... underwhelming ... when storing a bunch of .ZIP files. :)

    Honestly though, the times I used DriveSpace and it didn't destroy all my data, it did seem like magic - more disk space for FREE!

    Yeah, it all depended on what you were storing on your hard drive. I used Stacker for a while, and later I think I switched to Microsoft's DoubleSpace and DriveSpace. I didn't use it very long though - In 1996, I got my first job and had my own money, and with my first paycheck, I bought parts to build a new PC, including a much larger hard drive and I don't think I used drive compression after that.

    Drive compression has its issues.. It generally slows down the computer, and there was one time for me when DOS booted up and the drive compression driver didn't load for some reason, so I couldn't access my files. I don't remember what I had to do to fix that..

    Nightfox
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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to Ed Vance on Wed Apr 24 16:51:19 2024
    Re: hello! :DD
    By: Ed Vance to Blue White on Tue Apr 23 2024 02:40 pm

    Where I worked, my section first got a 'hand me down' 8088 XT Clone when our boss got a 286.
    When the boss got a 386, the 286 came our way.

    And when your boss left his wife for their secretary... ?
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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Nightfox on Thu Apr 25 08:20:21 2024
    Drive compression has its issues.. It generally slows down the
    computer, and there was one time for me when DOS booted up and the
    drive compression driver didn't load for some reason, so I couldn't
    access my files. I don't remember what I had to do to fix that..

    IIRC, it was suggested (but maybe not by Microsoft and the compression
    vendors) that the boot device, C:, should not be compressed so in the
    event of issues the system was still accessable for troubleshooting.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Spectre on Thu Apr 25 06:32:00 2024
    Spectre wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    We had people here trying to flog systems with "160Mb" HDs in them,
    which for the most part turned out to be 80Mb MFM's that had
    compression added. Back when 160Mb was still a large drive..

    Were those RLL drives? They used a special controller to write more
    sectors per track on MFM drives.



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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Apr 26 04:39:00 2024
    Were those RLL drives? They used a special controller to write more sectors per track on MFM drives.

    We had drives of all flavours around back then. There weren't many RLLs or ESDIs for that matter, although they were sprinkled in for flavour and you to beat your head against a wall trying to figure out why they wouldn't run with your MFM controller :) But by far we had more MFMs than anything else, and
    IDE was kinda just arriving. Still had IDE drives with steppers on them, voicecoil was really new and funky if you came across one.

    Spec


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  • From Bob Worm@21:1/205 to tenser on Thu May 2 18:13:09 2024
    Re: Re: Minix
    By: tenser to Nightfox on Fri Apr 19 2024 08:19:12

    Hi, tenser.

    The bug, of course, is constraining to the length of the user
    supplied password; the effect was that entering _no_ password
    automatically authenticated the password (empty strings always
    compare equal).

    That's pretty shocking... a good proportion of people would find that by accident!

    I'm not hugely surprised, though.

    BobW
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  • From tenser@21:1/101 to Bob Worm on Sat May 4 05:38:25 2024
    On 02 May 2024 at 06:13p, Bob Worm pondered and said...

    That's pretty shocking... a good proportion of people would find that by accident!
    The bug, of course, is constraining to the length of the user
    supplied password; the effect was that entering _no_ password automatically authenticated the password (empty strings always
    compare equal).

    That's pretty shocking... a good proportion of people would find that by accident!

    Yup, it wasn't great. :-D

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