Hello.

I have an acquaintance who is co-developing an encryption method with Ralph Abraham.

The method is based on Chaos Theory, It solves the key exchange problem and scales for Quantum Computing. The core application is finished, but the final product is still being developed.

The project is looking for investors. If my memory serves correctly they are selling a total of 2% interest in the final company, with shares to grow by 1.5x once the project succeeds. There is no minimum investment, and everyone gets the same deal.

You can contact the co-developer Paul at pkramerson@gmail.com. He is responsible for the major breakthrough which allowed the application to be completed and is handling most of the business matters.

Thanks!

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Hi tausoldier!

25 Jul 2018 22:11, from tausoldier -> All:

The method is based on Chaos Theory, It solves the key exchange
problem and scales for Quantum Computing.
The project is looking for investors.

Please show us the peer reviews of good crpyto researchers on the algorithm.

If it has not been peer reviewed nobody will invest.
And they are absolutely right about not wasting their money, as the risk of a major design flaw is near 100% for not peer reviewed crypto algorithms.

Read Phil Zimmermanns texts about his first crypto implementation and how long it took to get it right.

As of the legality of asking for funds in this echo please ask Paul Hayton about it.

CU, Ricsi

PS: You forgot IoT, blockchain and AI from your Bullshit Bingo.

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On 07/26/18, Richard Menedetter pondered and said...

Hi Rici

As of the legality of asking for funds in this echo please ask Paul
Hayton about it.

Let's get to that in a second...

Please show us the peer reviews of good crpyto researchers on the algorithm.
If it has not been peer reviewed nobody will invest.
And they are absolutely right about not wasting their money, as the risk of a major design flaw is near 100% for not peer reviewed crypto algorithms.

Fair enough comments, some may, some may not want to invest but in the end
they can contact the person named for more info if they wish to follow it up.

As of the legality of asking for funds in this echo please ask Paul
Hayton about it.

This is fine, there's nothing I can see that's illegally tied to the request and it's been posted in an informative manner. It's not like we see 'hey
buddy can you spare a dime for ..xyz' style posts every week so I don't see this as a problem / issue at present.

PS: You forgot IoT, blockchain and AI from your Bullshit Bingo.

This comment I do take umbrage with. It's totally unnecessary, comes across
as mean spirited and aggressive. Please desist from doing this. It's just baiting someone to respond and not the kind of conduct wanted in fsxNet.

Thanks, Paul.

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Fair enough comments, some may, some may not want to invest but in the
end they can contact the person named for more info if they wish to
follow it up.

Sorry Avon, but this "business opportunity" is 100% woo, and no better than a perpetual motion device or otherwise. If you let it slide here, you're going
to find the place deluged with crackpot "scientists" trying to get money for everything under the sun.

If it's a real thing, it needs to be posted for peer review. Cryptography is *not* something you keep under lock and key. (ha. funny.)

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On 07/26/18, deepthaw pondered and said...

Sorry Avon, but this "business opportunity" is 100% woo, and no better than a perpetual motion device or otherwise. If you let it slide here, you're going to find the place deluged with crackpot "scientists" trying to get money for everything under the sun.

I'm not suggesting due diligence should not be done by people. But I didn't find anything objectionable in the original posters content.

If it's a real thing, it needs to be posted for peer review.
Cryptography is *not* something you keep under lock and key. (ha. funny.)

Yep fair enough.. and also noted by Rici..

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Hi Avon!

27 Jul 2018 10:54, from Avon -> Richard Menedetter:

it's been posted in an informative manner.

You have a very different definition of informative than I do.

There was NO real information in the message.

As I see it there are 3 possibilitites:

1) real interesting information
2) first program without any clue what they are doing (maybe not with bad intent)
3) actual SCAM to get money

1) is ruled completely out by the incredible incompetence.
No naming of the company or the people.
No naming of the actual algorithm, and no description except buzzwords.

What I would hav expected is something like this:
"Me Mr John Doe and Mrs. jane Smith just opened a new startup company called "company". (The two of us have over 50 years of applied cryptology experience). Our first product is XXXX. It is a new crypto algorithm with these Unique Selling Points YYYY.
It has been heavily peer reviewed and no issues were found.

You can read more about us here https://www.company.com/aboutus and mor about our product here
https://www.company.com/products/xxxx including peer reviewd papers about xxx and 7 independantly conducted cryptoanalysises of xxx. There is also a link to our patent that was granted for xxxx.

If you you have additional questions not answered in our big FAQ please contact
press@company.com"

So 1) is clearly not applicable, so either 2) or 3).
If in doubt assume the positive case, so 2).

They do not even say what problem the agorithm is based upon (ECC, prime factorization, ...)
It does not even state if it is a symmetric or asymmetric cipher.

PS: You forgot IoT, blockchain and AI from your Bullshit Bingo.

This comment I do take umbrage with.

Sorry ... I just reread the message, and I 100% stand by my comment.
Chaos theory, quantum computing and no word of an explanation or useful facts.

not the kind of conduct wanted in fsx

Then please delete me from the next fsxnet nodelist.
(I will delete the fsxnet config after sending this message)

I get enough spam in my email ... no need to get spammed in an othernet.

Thank you for the time in FSXNet, but it is time to move on.
Feel free to contact me at 2:310/31@fidonet.

Wish you all the best.

CU, Ricsi

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On 07/27/18, Richard Menedetter pondered and said...

Hi Avon!

it's been posted in an informative manner.

You have a very different definition of informative than I do.
There was NO real information in the message.

We see it differently and that's fine.

As I see it there are 3 possibilitites:

1) real interesting information
2) first program without any clue what they are doing (maybe not with bad intent)
3) actual SCAM to get money

[snip - lengthy thought process]

PS: You forgot IoT, blockchain and AI from your Bullshit Bingo.

This comment I do take umbrage with.

Sorry ... I just reread the message, and I 100% stand by my comment.
Chaos theory, quantum computing and no word of an explanation or useful facts.

Sadly you miss the point. The point being by all means disagree with the original poster but desist in the unnecessary insults. You have a well known history of crafting provocative content in the name of a debate but as I see it, it's often been unnecessary in order to make whatever point you wanted
to, and not in the spirit of the network (refer fsxNet goals in FSXNET.TXT).

As you have been called on this over time you have opted to delink from most fsxNet echos and remained linked to just this one.

not the kind of conduct wanted in fsx

Then please delete me from the next fsxnet nodelist.
(I will delete the fsxnet config after sending this message)

OK will do.

I get enough spam in my email ... no need to get spammed in an othernet.

You have been linked to just this one echo area for many months now.
Compared to all other echo areas in fsxNet this echo area gets the least amount of traffic. If you're worried about spam I'd be more worried about your email than volumes of what you deem objectionable here.

Thank you for the time in FSXNet, but it is time to move on.

Thank you for being part of it also.

Feel free to contact me at 2:310/31@fidonet.

I have no need to.

Wish you all the best.

You too.

CU, Ricsi

Best, Paul.

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Hi Richard!

1) is ruled completely out by the incredible incompetence.
No naming of the company or the people.
No naming of the actual algorithm, and no description except buzzwords.

The company's name, as I understand it, is VakPad. The people contractually involved are

1. Kevin( Grodin?
2. Paul Kramerson, whose email I provided
3. Ralph Abraham, a well-known and well-respected professor of mathematics.
4. Rich Person (sounds like a psuedonym, I know)

Kevin has been responsible for ALL funding currently achieved, largely by reaching out to his family members and contributing his own money.

Rich is an encryption start-up entrepeneur mostly responsible for securing investments. He has, in the past, secured funding for several encryption start-ups, all iterative projects using pre-existing technology. So far he
has caused the project nothing but grief, failing to secure funding, fundamentally failing to understand the technology no matter how many times
it is explained to him, and has started fights with every single other member involved. The last 7 months have been wasted trying to get him to negotiate down from 30% to 1% share in the company, despite his total lack of belief
in, and failure to contribute to the project. Kevin brought him on, and so
far the only investor that Rich has been even tangentially involved in acquiring was one of Kevin's cousins in Germany.

Paul is responsible for most of the business aspects, working to resolve the program into a its final form with Ralph, and getting over the death of his best friend of 20 years,which occurred roughly last year. Rich has been
wildly unsympathetic for the entirety of that timeperiod. Months have gone by where he refuses to look at his email for fear of how Rich's barrage of unwarranted insults would cause him to react, and how it would distract from the project's completion. He's also responsible for the key idea that allowed the algorithm to even work, and Rich (millionaire who never, ever spends his own money on projects he doesn't understand) simply refuses to believe the truth of that. Because Paul had been driving a taxi until about three years
ago when he finally decided to make his idea a reality.

Ralph Abraham is a long-time acquaintance of Paul, largely responsible for making his ideas into a program. His credentials among upper-level cryptographic experts are unquestionable.

My name is Christopher James Petrovic, and Paul has been living with me for
the past three months in order to stop wasting money living in motels, as he has been forced to do for the past two years. He cannot get an apartment, as
he has no credit history, and Rich has been too irrationally afraid of
getting scammed to save money by having the company rent an apartment for
him. There was also a brief moment where Paul bought a car in the hopes he could support the project through Ubering, but he found himself unable to
work three jobs at once without ruining all of them. Honestly just seems like he got a little scared and took a half-step backwards to a period of
stability.

Peer-review is difficult, as there are about three methods to prove the efficacy of the algorithm:
1) Publicly release it, destroying its viability as a product.
2) Patent or Trade Secrets, both of which require registering with an outside company fully capable of simply stealing the idea and discrediting the
nobodies involved.
3) Pay a reputable laboratory to test it endlessly. One round of tests has
been performed, but there's very limited money for more.

Obviously, the project faces challenges, but Rich has (for the fourth time) agreed to stop getting in the way.

Ostensibly.

After all of the investors threatened to sue.

My involvement in this is largely tangential, but earlier this week Paul
called me filth for suggesting that he try to buy flea medicine for his dog
(so that we would stop having fleas,) which neither of us can possibly afford to do. He's on his last $635, which I am responsible for handling because
every time Rich has tried to arrange a wire transfer it has failed three
times in a row. Every single time. So he was no longer permitted to handle the wallet. In about a month, Paul will be homeless and unable to continue
working.

I sure hope Rich isn't hamstringing the project to save face on his own history of total incompetence, as is rather popualr right now. Especially in an environment mostly frequented by one particularly secretive family.

Anyway, put simply, it is physically impossible to brute force this algorithm. Even if one spent all of eternity cracking it, and then tried to send the solution back in time, it would not work. One would never find the solution. It is 100% secure, and I encourage you to talk to Paul as he has the information not me. Though he did tell a few people the core idea behind the algorithm, when he became suspicious that Rich was about to steal the company from him, and I personally feel that it is machine-proof.

It is not an iterative encryption project, it's a vital, key technological resource for the privacy and freedom which currently NOBODY is enjoying.


Thanks!

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Ralph Abraham is a long-time acquaintance of Paul, largely responsible
for making his ideas into a program. His credentials among upper-level cryptographic experts are unquestionable.

What published papers on encryption does he have? His personal website lists none. He does appear to have a number of papers attempting to tie mathematics to mysticism, and is an advocate for the mind-opening experiences of DMT.

Who among this group is the expert in quantum computing?

Why would anybody invest in a project in which a person holding 30% of the stock is by your own admittance, a burden?

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If it's a real thing, it needs to be posted for peer review. Cryptography is *not* something you keep under lock and key. (ha. funny.)

This.


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