Hello All,

I wonder. Is John Dailey, the creator of Barren Realms Elite reachable anywhere? I was thinking about asking him about possibility to run his doors
on Linux. But the mail returns as undelivered.

Thanks in advance

Shinobi

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A38 2018/01/01 (Linux/64)
* Origin: INFOLINKA BBS (21:1/153)

I wonder. Is John Dailey, the creator of Barren Realms Elite reachable anywhere? I was thinking about asking him about possibility to run his doors on Linux. But the mail returns as undelivered.

As far as I know, he's not actually the creator, just the IP owner. In any case, all of the jdsoftware doors run fine for me in dosemu.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A38 2018/01/01 (Linux/32)
* Origin: lo fidelity bbs (21:2/142)

Hello Esc,

As far as I know, he's not actually the creator, just the IP owner. In
any case, all of the jdsoftware doors run fine for me in dosemu.

Thanks so much for the response. I wonder could You please provide a bit more detailed instructions on howto run the doors in dosemu? So far I'm long-term user of Wine and DosBox. But doesmu is something new for me. For example at first when I tried to run it it didn't went that well. I guess there could be something like running the exe in dosemu and do not use sound etc. I hope it doesn't need anything like video output. Just the console. So any hint would
be really appreciated.

Thanks & best regards

Shinobi

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A38 2018/01/01 (Linux/64)
* Origin: INFOLINKA BBS (21:1/153)

On 03/23/18, shinobi said the following...

I wonder. Is John Dailey, the creator of Barren Realms Elite reachable anywhere? I was thinking about asking him about possibility to run his doors on Linux. But the mail returns as undelivered.

Last I knew he was drinking himself to sleep down in the keys at a Tiki bar.


Havok aka Greg Youngblood

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A38 2018/01/01 (Windows/32)
* Origin: After Hours|The Villages,FL|afterhours-bbs.com:23 (21:4/119)

On 03/23/18, shinobi said the following...

I wonder. Is John Dailey, the creator of Barren Realms Elite reachable anywhere? I was thinking about asking him about possibility to run his doors on Linux. But the mail returns as undelivered.

Well, John Dailey isn't the creator. He bought the game and source code quite awhile ago.

Last year, I tried registering BRE, FE and FH, as I couldn't find my registration codes anymore. The company that he uses for the registration is still in business, but even they were unable to contact him to obtain the codes. So, for all practical purposes, those games are now abandonware... :(


---

Black Panther
a.k.a. Dan Richter
Sysop - Castle Rock BBS (RCS)
telnet://bbs.castlerockbbs.com
http://www.castlerockbbs.com
The sparrows are flying again....

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A38 2018/01/01 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Castle Rock BBS - bbs.castlerockbbs.com (21:1/186)

On 03/23/18, shinobi said the following...

Hello All,

I wonder. Is John Dailey, the creator of Barren Realms Elite reachable anywhere? I was thinking about asking him about possibility to run his doors on Linux. But the mail returns as undelivered.

Thanks in advance

I had gone this way and yes all his software runs on linux via dosemu or qemu very nicely. :)

http://www.johndaileysoftware.com/support/contact.asp

Cheers!
Pequito

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A38 2018/01/01 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Twinkle BBS # (21:1/126)

On 03/23/18, Black Panther said the following...

On 03/23/18, shinobi said the following...

I wonder. Is John Dailey, the creator of Barren Realms Elite reachabl anywhere? I was thinking about asking him about possibility to run hi doors on Linux. But the mail returns as undelivered.

Well, John Dailey isn't the creator. He bought the game and source code quite awhile ago.

Last year, I tried registering BRE, FE and FH, as I couldn't find my registration codes anymore. The company that he uses for the
registration is still in business, but even they were unable to contact him to obtain the codes. So, for all practical purposes, those games are now abandonware... :(

Have any of you attempted:

http://www.johndaileysoftware.com/support/contact.asp

I also registered the games from the same site which was about 2 years back with no issues.

Cheers!
Pequito

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A38 2018/01/01 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Twinkle BBS # (21:1/126)

On 03/23/18, Pequito said the following...

Last year, I tried registering BRE, FE and FH, as I couldn't find my registration codes anymore. The company that he uses for the registration is still in business, but even they were unable to conta him to obtain the codes. So, for all practical purposes, those games now abandonware... :(

Have any of you attempted: http://www.johndaileysoftware.com/support/contact.asp

Yup. I've sent multiple messages via this form. The registration company, SWReg, also tried contacting him. There was no response from John at all...

This was the response I received from SWReg:

snip<=-

We apologize for the confusion.

We have a policy regarding vendors who does not respond, we initially requested for the fullfillment however you confirmed that they did not respond.

We recently requested a refund to serve as a final reminder to the vendor regarding the request.

We have written an email to the software author of Elite Bundle on your behalf regarding your request for a refund, and have asked the author to respond directly to you. If you do not receive a response from the vendor within 2 business days, we are authorized to refund the order for you.

snip<=-

---

Black Panther
a.k.a. Dan Richter
Sysop - Castle Rock BBS (RCS)
telnet://bbs.castlerockbbs.com
http://www.castlerockbbs.com
The sparrows are flying again....

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A38 2018/01/01 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Castle Rock BBS - bbs.castlerockbbs.com (21:1/186)

On 03/23/18, Black Panther said the following...

On 03/23/18, Pequito said the following...

Last year, I tried registering BRE, FE and FH, as I couldn't fin registration codes anymore. The company that he uses for the registration is still in business, but even they were unable to him to obtain the codes. So, for all practical purposes, those g now abandonware... :(

Have any of you attempted: http://www.johndaileysoftware.com/support/contact.asp

Yup. I've sent multiple messages via this form. The registration company, SWReg, also tried contacting him. There was no response from John at all...

This was the response I received from SWReg:

snip<=-

We apologize for the confusion.

We have a policy regarding vendors who does not respond, we initially requested for the fullfillment however you confirmed that they did not respond.

We recently requested a refund to serve as a final reminder to the vendor regarding the request.

We have written an email to the software author of Elite Bundle on your behalf regarding your request for a refund, and have asked the author to respond directly to you. If you do not receive a response from the
vendor within 2 business days, we are authorized to refund the order for you.

snip<=-

Ouch, OK that was not the response I got when I did it 2 years back but then and now are different and starting to sound like trying to register LORD. lol

Cheers!
Pequito

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A38 2018/01/01 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Twinkle BBS # (21:1/126)

Hello Black Panther,

Last year, I tried registering BRE, FE and FH, as I couldn't find my registration codes anymore. The company that he uses for the
registration is still in business, but even they were unable to contact him to obtain the codes. So, for all practical purposes, those games are now abandonware... :(

that's a shame. I guess there is many of the programs getting lost while it's not open-source. And some of them just doesn't work on modern systems. Aside from that the licensing is also an issue. Very nice software lost in time.

Thanks for the reply

Best regards

Shinobi

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A38 2018/01/01 (Linux/64)
* Origin: INFOLINKA BBS (21:1/153)

Hello Pequito,

I had gone this way and yes all his software runs on linux via dosemu or qemu very nicely. :)

Thanks I'll give it a try. Until now I'm able to run dosemu with the
parameter dumb. But there is quite a long way to go.

Thanks for the reply

Shinobi

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A38 2018/01/01 (Linux/64)
* Origin: INFOLINKA BBS (21:1/153)

On 03/25/18, shinobi said the following...

Hello Pequito,

I had gone this way and yes all his software runs on linux via dosemu qemu very nicely. :)

Thanks I'll give it a try. Until now I'm able to run dosemu with the parameter dumb. But there is quite a long way to go.

Ouch OK here is what my dosemu.conf looks like:

$_cpu = "80586"
$_hogthreshold = (10)
$_dpmi_base = (0x10000000)
$_external_char_set = "cp437"
$_internal_char_set = "cp437"
$_layout = "us"
$_com1 = "virtual"

My last line of the shell script I call this:
stty cols 80 rows 25 && /usr/bin/dosemu -t /mystic/cron/game.bat

Check out Gryphon's qemu tut can be used for dosemu as well and what I used
to help make the process easier when setting up doors in linux.

https://goo.gl/TXmGRH

Hope this helps!

Cheers!
Pequito

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A38 2018/01/01 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Twinkle BBS # (21:1/126)

Hello Pequito,

Ouch OK here is what my dosemu.conf looks like:
Check out Gryphon's qemu tut can be used for dosemu as well and what I used to help make the process easier when setting up doors in linux.

https://goo.gl/TXmGRH

Thanks so much. I guess You saved me hours of reinventing the Wheels.

Best wishes

Shinobi

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A38 2018/01/01 (Linux/64)
* Origin: INFOLINKA BBS (21:1/153)

On 03/26/18, shinobi said the following...

Hello Pequito,

Ouch OK here is what my dosemu.conf looks like:
Check out Gryphon's qemu tut can be used for dosemu as well and what used to help make the process easier when setting up doors in linux.

https://goo.gl/TXmGRH

Thanks so much. I guess You saved me hours of reinventing the Wheels.

Sounds good glad could help!

Cheers!
Pequito

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A38 2018/01/01 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Twinkle BBS # (21:1/126)

Thanks so much for the response. I wonder could You please provide a
bit more detailed instructions on howto run the doors in dosemu?

Install DOSEMU. Add Menu Option with D3 Exec Door32 Program
|----- Data: dosemu -I"serial { com 1 virtual]" "/pathtobatchfile.bat"
%3 /DOS

-I is a capital i, I'm not sure what the switch does specifically, but
It's what we're using and seems to work. I didn't set it up, Only noting
what our doors are set to.

%3 being the node number passed into the batch file. The door also needs
to be set to use com 1 as that is the virtual port DOSEMU is expecting to
use.

If you need more than the node number, Here's the DOOR MCI Codes per
mystic.txt

DOOR MCI Codes: (used when running a door only)

%0 Socket handle on Windows (1 on Unix)
%1 Returns 1 (old comport code from DOS version)
%2 Returns 38400 (old baud rate from DOS version)
%3 Node number
%4 User's IP address
%5 User's host name
%# User's permanent index number
%T User's time left
%P Node's temporary directory (where door drop files are created)
%U User's handle (All spaces replaced with _ characters)

Adding /DOS on a door command line will tell Mystic to create a DOS
format
drop file (ie, lines ending with CRLF) even when running on an
operating
system that may use a different format (ie Linux, etc)

If more is needed to setup DOSEMU properly, you'd have to ask someone
else.

The batch files will obviously be different for each door. Those you'll
have to write yourself. Just keep in mind that the batch file will take
parms in first come first served order.

So if you're passing in %3 like we, then your batch file would be %1 for
the node number.

If you're passing in %3 %T %U in that order, then node number would be
%1, Time remaining would be %2 and Username would be %3 in the batch
file.

For that, it would look like this...

dosemu -I"serial { com 1 virtual]" "/pathtobatchfile.bat" %3 %T %U /DOS

We have had to do some creative batch file writing for some of the doors
that expect the drop file to be in a specific place and copy it to that
place upon entering the door and deleting it when exiting back to the
BBS, so keep that in mind.

So far, every DOS door has worked quite well in this configuration except
LORD which gives us Runtime errors. Though I'm told that there is a way
to run actual DOS under DOSEMU and eliminate that problem. We haven't
looked into that any further to determine if that is a feasible option or
not.

There's also an issue with DOSEMU and programs that were written in
Borland's Pascal 6 and 7.x. There are patches out there that can fix the executables...

http://www.ipnet6.org/tppatch.html

...which could also be our problem with LORD. I'm not sure what it was
written in, and we have a lot of work elsewhere to do that LORD is taking
a back burner.

That's everything I know about DOSEMU. Good luck.

--- MagickaBBS v0.10alpha (Linux/armv7l)
* Origin: A Tiny slice o pi (21:1/130.4)

That's everything I know about DOSEMU. Good luck.

Wow. Thanks so much. I'll give it a try. I tried qemu but it seems to me a
bit overkill. However this seems more lightweight.

Thanks again & best regards

Shinobi

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A38 2018/01/01 (Linux/64)
* Origin: INFOLINKA BBS (21:1/153)

That's everything I know about DOSEMU. Good luck.

Wow. Thanks so much. I'll give it a try. I tried qemu but it seems to
me a bit overkill. However this seems more lightweight.

I talked with Chuck (The actual Sysop of our board) and said there was something he had to configure in DOSEMU before it would work, but that
very well may be what Pequito gave you for the dosemu.conf file.

If that doesn't work. I can ask Chuck for more information about what
needed to be configured, but I'm pretty certain it was mostly revolving
around the Virtual com port which looks like it's covered in that config
file.

I'm more of a Old-Sysop-Co-Sysop in this venture. :) It's his System,
but we both contribute ideas and changes. Anything that has to be done
local though, he handles that end of it.

--- MagickaBBS v0.10alpha (Linux/armv7l)
* Origin: A Tiny slice o pi (21:1/130.4)

I talked with Chuck (The actual Sysop of our board) and said there was something he had to configure in DOSEMU before it would work, but that very well may be what Pequito gave you for the dosemu.conf file.

Thanks, that's good to know. I wonder whether I will be able to run it once upon a time. In the meantime I joined the Galactic Galaxy InterBBS. The
DOSEMU is quite a New Ground to me. But I hope it will do what is needed.

It's quite a shame that the world of BBS didn't go for open-source sooner.
More gems would have been preserved.

Best regards

Shinobi

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A38 2018/01/01 (Linux/64)
* Origin: INFOLINKA BBS (21:1/153)

It's quite a shame that the world of BBS didn't go for open-source
sooner. More gems would have been preserved.

I totally agree. I've lost track of everything between 98-18. Coming
back to it after a couple decades it's a shame how much has become
abandonware.

I still love Searchlight with it's internal RIP capabilities which I'm
also surprised never took off as much as I feel it should and BBS's are
still mostly ANSI. Frank sold it to Telegraphix and then, of course, Pat Clawson passed away in 2015. Now there's no chance at reviving what I
always thought was the best system there was from a graphical standpoint.


There has been talk about petitioning the estate of Pat Clawson to
release the source, but that would also be dependent upon someone
actually knowing where it's at and what it is.

For now, we have it running under DOSEMU on a Linux system and that seems
to work well, but without the source nobody can fix any of the broken
bits here and there. It is what it is. A sad tale of one of the best
turning to dust.


--- MagickaBBS v0.10alpha (Linux/armv7l)
* Origin: A Tiny slice o pi (21:1/130.4)

On 03/27/18, GeekDoctor pondered and said...

to work well, but without the source nobody can fix any of the broken
bits here and there. It is what it is. A sad tale of one of the best turning to dust.

This highlights the risk of single point dependency combined with a closed source model. When the wheels fall off it's neigh impossible to put them back on - sadly.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A39 2018/02/28 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)

For now, we have it running under DOSEMU on a Linux system and that seems to work well, but without the source nobody can fix any of the broken
bits here and there. It is what it is. A sad tale of one of the best turning to dust.

Every human labor is only temporary in this world. The DOSEMU is nice. But
it's obstacle in continuity. On Linux I do not really trust the games will
stop working. On Windows side. Who knows. They dropped x16. Why wouldn't they drop the x32?

Best regards

Shinobi

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A38 2018/01/01 (Linux/64)
* Origin: INFOLINKA BBS (21:1/153)

For now, we have it running under DOSEMU on a Linux system and th
to work well, but without the source nobody can fix any of the br
bits here and there. It is what it is. A sad tale of one of the turning to dust.

Every human labor is only temporary in this world. The DOSEMU is
nice. But it's obstacle in continuity. On Linux I do not really trust
the games will stop working. On Windows side. Who knows. They dropped
x16. Why wouldn't they drop the x32?

There's a technical reason why they had to drop x16. That's why it's
available in the 32bit version of w10, but not the 64bit version. Sure,
they could have emulated it just as well as anyone else could and it
would probably would have better interfacing with other apps, be it 32 or
64 bit, but given the technical reasons for dropping it, emulating
doesn't make sense from their standpoint. The mass market just isn't
there for the added work it would have taken to accomplish. That part I understand once I read all the info on why it was dropped in the first
place.

Having things more open source does allow for more minds to be put to
work resolving issues like this though.

--- MagickaBBS v0.10alpha (Linux/armv7l)
* Origin: A Tiny slice o pi (21:1/130.4)

Wow. Thanks so much. I'll give it a try. I tried qemu but it seems to
me a bit overkill. However this seems more lightweight.

If you are setting up qemu to call a DOS door, how does the "actual server" (i.e. the linux host where the BBS is) communicate with the DOS door that
is running on the qemu virtual server?

Serious question. I have sometimes seen people mention running DOS stuff
in qemu on a pi but I don't understand how the communication across the "machines" takes place.


... Direct from the Ministry of Silly Walks
--- MultiMail
* Origin: Possum Lodge South * capitolcityonline.net:7636 (21:1/175.8)

This highlights the risk of single point dependency combined with a
closed source model. When the wheels fall off it's neigh impossible to
put them back on - sadly.

The good news is that some new authors are replicating the old door games
and putting their own spins on them.


... Got my tie caught in the fax... Suddenly I was in L.A.
--- MultiMail
* Origin: Possum Lodge South * capitolcityonline.net:7636 (21:1/175.8)

There's a technical reason why they had to drop x16. That's why it's available in the 32bit version of w10, but not the 64bit version. Sure, they could have emulated it just as well as anyone else could and it
would probably would have better interfacing with other apps, be it 32 or 64 bit, but given the technical reasons for dropping it, emulating
doesn't make sense from their standpoint. The mass market just isn't there for the added work it would have taken to accomplish. That part I understand once I read all the info on why it was dropped in the first place.

What I always thought was following "conspiracy". When commercial firm drops any support of any product then the customer is forced to follow the never-ending process of upgrading, updating or replacing his product with
newer versions. Thus brining nice additional cash to the manufacturer and seller.

Regards

Shinobi

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A38 2018/01/01 (Linux/64)
* Origin: INFOLINKA BBS (21:1/153)

If you are setting up qemu to call a DOS door, how does the "actual server" (i.e. the linux host where the BBS is) communicate with the DOS door that is running on the qemu virtual server?

That's a very good question. To be honest I do not know.

Best regards

Shinobi

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A38 2018/01/01 (Linux/64)
* Origin: INFOLINKA BBS (21:1/153)

There's a technical reason why they had to drop x16. That's why available in the 32bit version of w10, but not the 64bit version.
they could have emulated it just as well as anyone else could and would probably would have better interfacing with other apps, be
64 bit, but given the technical reasons for dropping it, emulatin doesn't make sense from their standpoint. The mass market just i there for the added work it would have taken to accomplish. That understand once I read all the info on why it was dropped in the place.

What I always thought was following "conspiracy". When commercial
firm drops any support of any product then the customer is forced to
follow the never-ending process of upgrading, updating or replacing
his product with newer versions. Thus brining nice additional cash to
the manufacturer and seller.

I could buy the conspiracy if 16 bit was dropped the moment 32bit came available and 32bit dropped the moment 64bit became available, but all in
all, they did support 16 bit as long as they could and still have 16bit
support in the 32bit version.

I wish I could find the article I read about it a couple months back when
I was looking at running 16bit software on win10 64bit. It laid out all
the technical reasons why 16bit support had to be dropped.

I only read about half the article because most of it was over my head.
Just a vague recollection. Bits and bobs don't fit right with the new fandangoled thingy which handles the dohicky differently that is needed
for the 64 bit to operate at faster speeds properly and thus in turn
drops the bits and bobs from the 16 bit side and just crashes whatever
you try to run.

So, in conclusion, it's not like they didn't try. They tried, they
failed and finally said we'll have to give it up to make it run at 64
bit. The only thing remaining would be emulation, but to them that is
like re-inventing the cog when most people don't use cogs anymore, they
use pulleys.



--- MagickaBBS v0.10alpha (Linux/armv7l)
* Origin: A Tiny slice o pi (21:1/130.4)

I could buy the conspiracy if 16 bit was dropped the moment 32bit came available and 32bit dropped the moment 64bit became available, but all in all, they did support 16 bit as long as they could and still have 16bit support in the 32bit version.

Well... that's arguable. For example on CentOS the x32 has been dropped just right x64 was done. And that's for sake of stability on the account of compatibility. At least that's what I suppose. I do not think CentOS made
that to force users to upgrade.

I wish I could find the article I read about it a couple months back when I was looking at running 16bit software on win10 64bit. It laid out all the technical reasons why 16bit support had to be dropped.

I would like to read that. Could be interesting read. It could be possibly
very expensive to maintain de facto two OS at once. I guess there is
something like 32-bit kernel execution engine and 64-bit execution engine
that is inside the system.

So, in conclusion, it's not like they didn't try. They tried, they
failed and finally said we'll have to give it up to make it run at 64
bit. The only thing remaining would be emulation, but to them that is like re-inventing the cog when most people don't use cogs anymore, they use pulleys.

In my opinion the main reason of Windows is the fact they remain compatible. You can still run programs from 2000. Of course I cannot forget to mention
that I'm still fan of open source and once You open all the sources there are no more troubles like that in this World.

Best regards

Shinobi

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A38 2018/01/01 (Linux/64)
* Origin: INFOLINKA BBS (21:1/153)

I wish I could find the article I read about it a couple months back when I was looking at running 16bit software on win10 64bit. It laid out all the technical reasons why 16bit support had to be dropped.

I only read about half the article because most of it was over my head. Just a vague recollection. Bits and bobs don't fit right with the new fandangoled thingy which handles the dohicky differently that is needed for the 64 bit to operate at faster speeds properly and thus in turn
drops the bits and bobs from the 16 bit side and just crashes whatever
you try to run.

When you put a modern x86_64 into 64-bit "long" mode, you must enable
protected mode paging (using at least 4-level page tables at that). This
both turns off 8086 segmentation (except for some very limited uses) and disables rings 1 and 2: whereas x86 had four protection rings in 32 bit
and lower modes, 64-bit only has user and kernel (or 3 and 0, respectively).

Basically, to be in 64-bit mode, you have to be in protected mode, and
cannot be in real mode. Hence, real mode addressing does not work and
emulating it is a pain.

Btw, most of the surviving uses of segmentation are for TLS and managing
stacks in the kernel/user transition.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A38 2018/01/01 (Windows/32)
* Origin: Black Flag : ACiD Telnet HQ > blackflag.acid.org (21:1/112)

On 03/28/18, shinobi said the following...

There's a technical reason why they had to drop x16. That's why it's available in the 32bit version of w10, but not the 64bit version. Su

<SNIP>

What I always thought was following "conspiracy". When commercial firm drops any support of any product then the customer is forced to follow
the never-ending process of upgrading, updating or replacing his product with newer versions. Thus brining nice additional cash to the
manufacturer and seller.

No, it's more the 'bigger, better, faster' thing. We think our computers take
a long time to boot up now, but the original IBMPC took tens of minutes and couldn't even address the amount of memory we use just for the video display these days. Things move on, there are very few road ready Model-T's these
days, most new cars don't even take a key. Open the car door, Hal.....
I'm afraid I can't do that Dave. ;)

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A39 2018/02/28 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Workpoint (21:1/145.3)

bcw142 wrote to shinobi <=-

No, it's more the 'bigger, better, faster' thing. We think our
computers take a long time to boot up now, but the original IBMPC took tens of minutes and couldn't even address the amount of memory we use

It seemed like an eternity, but I think in reality, it was around 5 minutes for the IBM PC to boot. I've been through that process many times. And if you had a dud floppy or forgot to insert it, you'd see the dreaded BASIC prompt (yes, there was BASIC in ROM, complete with cassette support for saving and loading files), instead of DOS and know you have to sit through that again! :D Yep, I've booted an IBM PC many times, back in my university days. :)


... The mistake you make is in trying to figure it out.
=== MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
--- SBBSecho 3.03-Linux
* Origin: Freeway BBS Bendigo,Australia freeway.apana.org.au (21:1/109)

When you put a modern x86_64 into 64-bit "long" mode, you must enable protected mode paging (using at least 4-level page tables at that).
This both turns off 8086 segmentation (except for some very limited
uses) and disables rings 1 and 2: whereas x86 had four protection
rings in 32 bit and lower modes, 64-bit only has user and kernel (or
3 and 0, respectively).

Basically, to be in 64-bit mode, you have to be in protected mode,
and cannot be in real mode. Hence, real mode addressing does not work
and emulating it is a pain.

Well.... I did say that "The bits and bobs don't fit" which is exactly
word for word what you said.... just in lamens terms. :P

--- MagickaBBS v0.10alpha (Linux/armv7l)
* Origin: A Tiny slice o pi (21:1/130.4)

On 03/29/18, GeekDoctor pondered and said...

Well.... I did say that "The bits and bobs don't fit" which is exactly word for word what you said.... just in lamens terms. :P

I'd say a case of the do hickey not fitting in the who jab...

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On 03/30/18, Avon said the following...

On 03/29/18, GeekDoctor pondered and said...

Well.... I did say that "The bits and bobs don't fit" which is exact word for word what you said.... just in lamens terms. :P

I'd say a case of the do hickey not fitting in the who jab...

Ouch, watch where your jabbing that do hickey ;)

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