It's funny Speaker Johnson has been instrumental in passing legislation. For example... He's all in on funding later-term abortion... 8th, 9th and 10th month... OK... He was instrumental in passing the Anti-4th amendment allowing the FBI, et al., to have warrant-less abilities to investigate citizens and funding a war in Ukraine that 70% of the population want to take a pause and reflect on while leaving the southern border wide open and letting 10's of millions of illegals in through the southern border... And I heard a plausible explanation.

A few days back Trump had Speaker Johnson down to his $18,000,000.00 shack in Florida where the 45th-46th, and soon to be 47th elected president of the United States... We'll just call him The People's President... Trump endorsed what Mike was doing... This was all seemingly out of character... for Trump and for Mike Johnson... who claims to be a Christian and he's working to fund later-term abortions...

So I heard an explanation that seems to explain things... Ties it up in a nice little bow...

And here it is.... There were 5 or more RINOs threatening to leave congress, right now, if Johnson didn't approve funding for the war in Ukraine... If those 5 stepped down today the house majority would change hands and in doings so the Democrats would have the majority.

Back when the Supreme Court ruled on the Colorado case, where Colorado was trying to get Trump off the ballot... They did say it was up to congress to do so... Brother Johnson was/is just trying to save the House majority...

There was a video on this... But I know @Ron L. doesn't do videos so I had to post.

:) ...

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And here it is.... There were 5 or more RINOs threatening to leave congress, right now, if Johnson didn't approve funding for the war in Ukraine... If those 5 stepped down today the house majority would
change hands and in doings so the Democrats would have the majority.

Thanks for shedding some light on this topic. I get it now. But what's worth more: a house majority, or Trump for president?

The reason I ask this is because I'm concerned that Ukraine will use the money to interfere in our presidential election.

I don't see the house majority as important anymore. Why didn't Johnson (or other house members) at least insist on oversight? If we had that, then we'd be able to tackle the issue of Ukraine interfering in our election.

Alternatively, they should have demanded that President Biden hold a meeting with Putin and Zelenski to discuss a resolution. Or make a clause that permits the USA to search Ukraine for bioweapons labs. But no, we got nothing.

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On 22 Apr 2024, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Thanks for shedding some light on this topic. I get it now. But what's worth more: a house majority, or Trump for president?

I just think we need to limp along to November. Old Speaker McCarthy set a precedent by running away like a coward before ending his term and obligation to his constituents, he knew what he was doing when he did it and it gave other RINOs the idea.

I don't see the house majority as important anymore. Why didn't Johnson (or other house members) at least insist on oversight? If we had that, then we'd be able to tackle the issue of Ukraine interfering in our election.

The Uni-Party will have control for the next few months... Oversight is a Joke... They write impeachment articles and the Democrats, first time in history, blow them off and don't hold a trial. The powers to be in Ukraine are too busy embezzling and paying the mechanism their share... Joe gets his 10% of course.

Alternatively, they should have demanded that President Biden hold a meeting with Putin and Zelenski to discuss a resolution. Or make a
clause that permits the USA to search Ukraine for bioweapons labs. But
no, we got nothing.

There will be a resolution, at some point, and the war will end. Ukraine will give up a few things... Like the Russian speaking part... and life will go on like nothing ever happened... Other than 100s of billions of dollars spent... Millions of lives lost... and the War machine will try to find an other scab to pick!!!

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I just think we need to limp along to November. Old Speaker McCarthy
set a precedent by running away like a coward before ending his term and obligation to his constituents, he knew what he was doing when he did it and it gave other RINOs the idea.

Mike Johnson probably has a knife to his throat every day just like all the other Republicans. George Soros will eat him for dinner if he doesn't vote for that Ukraine aid.

They are all full of it. All of congress. They go in with a good heart, some of them, maybe, but as soon as they get elected they change, and they start selling us stories.

The Uni-Party will have control for the next few months... Oversight is
a Joke... They write impeachment articles and the Democrats, first time in history, blow them off and don't hold a trial. The powers to be in Ukraine are too busy embezzling and paying the mechanism their share... Joe gets his 10% of course.

We need secret service protection for the speaker, and we need closer communication between the people and the speaker.

There will be a resolution, at some point, and the war will end.
Ukraine will give up a few things... Like the Russian speaking part...
and life will go on like nothing ever happened... Other than 100s of billions of dollars spent... Millions of lives lost... and the War
machine will try to find an other scab to pick!!!

You make it sound easy! I hope it goes at least that smoothly. But Trump better do something to stop Democrats from screwing us over like this again. We need him to work with congress to stop funding wars that we're not a party to.

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IB Joe wrote to All <=-

So I heard an explanation that seems to explain things... Ties it up in
a nice little bow...

And here it is.... There were 5 or more RINOs threatening to leave congress, right now, if Johnson didn't approve funding for the war in Ukraine... If those 5 stepped down today the house majority would
change hands and in doings so the Democrats would have the majority.

Back when the Supreme Court ruled on the Colorado case, where Colorado
was trying to get Trump off the ballot... They did say it was up to congress to do so... Brother Johnson was/is just trying to save the
House majority...

Or we could just apply Occam's Razor and say: Someone's blackmailing Johnson.

The bad thing is that any of this has an equal chance of being true.

There is soooooo much happening of which we don't know (and can't find out) about that it's frustrating. Sort of like when we are 2 and have some awareness, but really can't participate.

There was a video on this... But I know @Ron L. doesn't do videos so I
had to post.

I usually BBS on actual vintage computers. So URLs are a pain to get to a modern computer so that I can see them.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to IB Joe <=-

Thanks for shedding some light on this topic. I get it now. But what's worth more: a house majority, or Trump for president?

I thought his explanation was that one led to the other. If we lose the house majority (but if we are 5 RINOs away, I don't see how we haven't already lost it), then Trump may be taken off the ballot in one state - which would lead to a bunch of others doing the same.

The reason I ask this is because I'm concerned that Ukraine will use
the money to interfere in our presidential election.

Ukraine didn't get any money. This is the frustrating thing about "$xx billion for Ukraine". The money goes to "buying" military equipment - so it does into the Military Industrial Comples. Of course, 10% for the Big Guy. And all the other leeches. Plus they have to pay off Zelinskyy.

I don't see the house majority as important anymore. Why didn't Johnson (or other house members) at least insist on oversight? If we had that, then we'd be able to tackle the issue of Ukraine interfering in our election.

I would have called the RINO's bluff and exposed them for what they are.


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Thanks for shedding some light on this topic. I get it now. But what' worth more: a house majority, or Trump for president?

I thought his explanation was that one led to the other. If we lose the house majority (but if we are 5 RINOs away, I don't see how we haven't already lost it), then Trump may be taken off the ballot in one state - which would lead to a bunch of others doing the same.

That seems like a lot of ifs. I wouldn't rely on congress to do anything about it if a state does remove Trump from their ballot.

The reason I ask this is because I'm concerned that Ukraine will use the money to interfere in our presidential election.

Ukraine didn't get any money. This is the frustrating thing about "$xx billion for Ukraine". The money goes to "buying" military equipment -
so it does into the Military Industrial Comples. Of course, 10% for the Big Guy. And all the other leeches. Plus they have to pay off
Zelinskyy.

Still, there's no justifying it. Based on some internet search results, we spent $61 billion in total on our Gulf War that we were involved in. And now we're spending that much just to beef up the Ukranian military. It's not sitting well with voters who own calculators.

I don't see the house majority as important anymore. Why didn't Johns (or other house members) at least insist on oversight? If we had that then we'd be able to tackle the issue of Ukraine interfering in our election.

I would have called the RINO's bluff and exposed them for what they are.

The house members who threaten to resign are not reliable anyway. How shocked would we be if they turned their backs on us later?

Another major issue is: there's billions for Israel and billions of Gaza in the same bill. It's like having the windows open on a hot day while the air conditioner is on.

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On 23 Apr 2024, Ron L. said the following...

Or we could just apply Occam's Razor and say: Someone's blackmailing Johnson.

The bad thing is that any of this has an equal chance of being true.

There is soooooo much happening of which we don't know (and can't find out) about that it's frustrating. Sort of like when we are 2 and have some awareness, but really can't participate.

I'm not sure what they'd have on him... and to be honest, and my opinion, is that this is soooooooooooo out of character I believe he would have stepped aside and or said something if he was being blackmailed.

Though I haven't seen the Tucker video yet... recently put one out that claims Washington politicians are afraid of the CIA/FBI framing/compromising them with child porn... or whatever.

I just MTG et al. need to just let things slide until November. We lost 5 or so Republicans ousting the last RINO speaker... This could cost us dearly.

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On 23 Apr 2024, Ron L. said the following...

I usually BBS on actual vintage computers. So URLs are a pain to get to
a modern computer so that I can see them.

What version of DOS do you run... HEHEHEHE..

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

That seems like a lot of ifs. I wouldn't rely on congress to do
anything about it if a state does remove Trump from their ballot.

I wouldn't rely on Congress to empty my waste paper basket. They are just a bunch of worthless paracites.

Still, there's no justifying it.

No, there is no justifying it. Ukraine is simply a money laundering factory to steal the country's wealth and place it into the Elitist's pockets.

And now we're spending that much just to beef up the Ukranian military. It's not sitting well with voters who own calculators.

Nope. That's why they are pushing things hard right now. And I expect it to only get worse as we get closer to the election.

The house members who threaten to resign are not reliable anyway. How shocked would we be if they turned their backs on us later?

Exactly. Their threat to "resign" was hollow.

Another major issue is: there's billions for Israel and billions of
Gaza in the same bill. It's like having the windows open on a hot day while the air conditioner is on.

Yup. Just more money laundering since little of that money goes to Isreal and Gaza.


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IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

I'm not sure what they'd have on him... and to be honest, and my
opinion, is that this is soooooooooooo out of character I believe he
would have stepped aside and or said something if he was being blackmailed.

I'm figuring something made up, but bad enough that he would lose his family and career, even if it's not true.

Though I haven't seen the Tucker video yet... recently put one out that claims Washington politicians are afraid of the CIA/FBI framing/compromising them with child porn... or whatever.

I've seen the same thing. It has enough of a "correct" ring about it to be true.


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That seems like a lot of ifs. I wouldn't rely on congress to do anything about it if a state does remove Trump from their ballot.

I wouldn't rely on Congress to empty my waste paper basket. They are
just a bunch of worthless paracites.

I hope voters start to realize that also. We're at the point where only the executive branch matters and the others are just legacy.

Still, there's no justifying it.

No, there is no justifying it. Ukraine is simply a money laundering factory to steal the country's wealth and place it into the Elitist's pockets.

Right - but I don't think they're doing it because they want money, but that they're just doing it because they don't want anyone else to have it.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

I wouldn't rely on Congress to empty my waste paper basket. They are
just a bunch of worthless paracites.

I hope voters start to realize that also. We're at the point where only the executive branch matters and the others are just legacy.

More and more voters are. Trump waked them up, and Biden woke up even more when they realized that they were much worse off than under Trump.

Our main problem is that the Elitists have created a whole class of people just as useless (and entitied) as Congress.

Right - but I don't think they're doing it because they want money, but that they're just doing it because they don't want anyone else to have
it.

That's certainly part of it. They have a mental block in that they believe that the world is a pie. And if you have a bigger slice, then I get less. Capitalism proved that idea to be false.


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Our main problem is that the Elitists have created a whole class of
people just as useless (and entitied) as Congress.

Yes, that is a big problem, but they aren't being paid and/or bribed like congress. So maybe they will figure it out and get off that toxic nipple.

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Hi,

I dislike the wording "funding a war in Ukraine".

What the US funds is the Ukrainian defense operation against the Russian genocidal incursion. That's quite a difference.

There is no taking a pause and reflecting as long as Russia makes it very clear in every single of its commuincations that its goal is to subdue not only Ukraine, but also to destroy NATO and subdue the rest of Europe.

I mean, from a U.S. perspective you could be isolationist and say who
cares, but then you should calculate the economic consequences of losing
all trade with Europe and make a plan where the refugess from Europe will
end up.

Russia is the new Nazi Germany, the sooner everybody in the U.S. realizes this the better.

Now to your topic, I hear Johnson has been visted from leaders of
Evangelical churches from Ukraine before his decision, who reported first hand on what Russia does to their congregations in the occupied
territories and how Russia uses orthodox churches there as ammunition
depots. If Johnson is indeed a Christian he may well have realized that
Putin and his KGB-monch Kyrill are the latest incarnation of the
Antichrist.

I have no answer as to why he supported later term abortion, but you
should realize that in dirty politics not every topic is related with
every other topic. If you try to find a single explanation for all of Mr. Johnson's actions this single explanation will very likely be wrong.

I am a German who lived in Ukraine for ten years and speaks Russian and Ukrainian, and am really abhorred by the plans for complete European subduement that are openly laid out in the Russian media space. I am
deeply thankful to the House of Reps for passing the Ukrainian, Israel and Taiwan aid bill. From all the superpowers (and wannabes) in the world, the U.S. is by far the most human and Christian one. The world will become a
much darker place if the U.S. decides to become isolationsts again.

Kind regards,
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On 25 Apr 2024, Tobias Ernst said the following...

Hi,

I dislike the wording "funding a war in Ukraine".

What the US funds is the Ukrainian defense operation against the Russian genocidal incursion. That's quite a difference.

I disagree with most everything you say...

After Biden got into office Boris Johnson squashed and agreement that Ukraine and Russia had come to... No war needed we have an agreement.

This was done with the approval of the White House.

War became eminent.

This fact is not in dispute. It was reported in the mainstream media and was covered in the Tucker interview with Putin.

Back in the day President Eisenhower made a speech where he warned the American people about the Industrial Military Complex. Since then the US has caused in some-way a lot of conflict... North Korea, Vietnam, The Middle East and the list goes on and Libya... Syria... The list is endless. These are a short list of few that we know about. There are countless others that the CIA, FBI and the deep-state have funded and or started that we don't know about.

The other day a congressmen was holding up a small bag of washers... apparently this , hand-held-bag, cost the US tax payers $90,000.00. The US Military says it cannot account for 1 TRILLION... Thats 1,000,000,000,000.00 ... They have no-clue and no one is held to account.

Since WWII every conflict that the US has been in, by proxy or otherwise, has not ended well. Trillions spent... millions die... 10s of millions suffer and regions of the world, like the middle east, hate the US and would do anything to kill Americans... Primarily because of our foreign policy.

Putin had made it clear that he didn't want NATO countries pushing up on his border... I can see his point. The western powers squash the Ukraine-Russia deal and then made a UN speech talking about Ukraine's entry in to NATO. Biden picking the fight and starting a war...

What I just said is fact, mainstream media reported and you can still see the UN speech on YouTube.

Most American's would argue that the money shouldn't just be given to Ukraine without any accountability.... 100s of Billions of dollars given to a country to protect their borders while the US is being invaded through their unprotected border.

They don't send a team of accountants over to see what it is they are spending the money on... No accounting what-so-ever.

Trump has pointed out that collectively Europe's economy is on par with the US this Russia/Ukraine thing affects Europe more than the US but the US seems to be funding it ~85% ... Why?? If this is as you describe it... Nazi-Like... Hitler 2.0 ...as you rub your hands together... and laugh with a sinister intent.

If this is so... The US does not need to spend itself into oblivion for a country 1000s of mikes away with a country that Europe doesn't even care enough about to match the contributions the US is making.

I am not sure exactly where you live... You referred to my thoughts, and or, the US being isolationists... Well there is the pesky constitution... and for the most part it was looking at the US, as a country, having a small footprint in foreign affairs. Wars would be declared by congress, not the president or the deep-state, though what I just said... is fact... The last time the US officially declared war was during WWII. During WWII they used this feature 6 out of the 11 times... Japan, Germany, Italy, Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania. Every time the conflict was escalated they addressed it in congress. They didn't take the original cause to enter WWII., Japan, and try to milk that for a few decades...

Anyway, since WWII congress has never been asked to give the president war powers... But they/them have been out there kicking ass and taking names. Spending Trillions and killing millions and millions.

Ukraine will not win this conflict. Election season in the US and the citizens are getting tired of it. Funding will dry up... The powers to be force an agreement... That agreement will look like the original agreement... Ukraine doesn't join NATO and Russia gets Crimea.

BTW, we know why the US has funded as much as it has... Ukraine's president knows what 10% got the Big Guy, has the receipts and knows where all the bodies are.

All this was done late at night, no debate and all hidden from the American people. The Speaker of The House is conflicted in some way... They have some dirt on him... or as I said in my original post that he's trying to protect the majority.

If he's trying to protect the majority... well a few more billion won't hurt and of course with that millions more might die. Mark my words there will be a deal struck some time before November.

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I dislike the wording "funding a war in Ukraine".

What the US funds is the Ukrainian defense operation against the Russian genocidal incursion. That's quite a difference.

It makes me mad because that money could have been spent on school security. Our schools need security way more than one of our trade partners do. Then
Biden had the audacity to say "It will make us all a lot safer."

Thanks for reminding me, I need to reprimand my rep if he voted for "The Insane Democrat Robbery Part 3." We can't let them get away with this! The kids in this country are more important than anything abroad. Until the kids in this country are safe, Ukraine can learn to work for their own money.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

Our main problem is that the Elitists have created a whole class of
people just as useless (and entitied) as Congress.

Yes, that is a big problem, but they aren't being paid and/or bribed
like congress. So maybe they will figure it out and get off that toxic nipple.

Yes, they are. Congress gives them handouts.

So, The Elitists create a dependent class.
The Elitists steal from those of us who are productive.
They take their slice of that pie.
Then they create programs that the keep the dependent class dependent.
- Like hike the minimum wage to kill off starter jobs
The dependent class keeps voting in the Elitsts back in because they promise more free stuff, while their opponents talk about eliminating the hand outs.


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Tobias Ernst wrote to IB Joe <=-

I dislike the wording "funding a war in Ukraine".

And we have the first clue we are dealing with an Ignorant Elitist.

What the US funds is the Ukrainian defense operation against the
Russian genocidal incursion. That's quite a difference.

And now we have the pushing of the false Narrative.

What the American Taxpayer (not the "US") funds is a huge money laundering scheme that funs everything **except** Ukraine.

There is no taking a pause and reflecting as long as Russia makes it
very clear in every single of its commuincations that its goal is to subdue not only Ukraine, but also to destroy NATO and subdue the rest
of Europe.

I thought we already debunked "Russia! Russia! Russia!"

And I'll just delete the rest of the ignornant rant from this reply.


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Our main problem is that the Elitists have created a whole class of people just as useless (and entitied) as Congress.

Yes, that is a big problem, but they aren't being paid and/or bribed like congress. So maybe they will figure it out and get off that toxi nipple.

Yes, they are. Congress gives them handouts.

The Trump campaign needs to explain something that will be easy for the extremely ignorant to understand.

Handouts are the only tool that could possibly work for the extremely ignorant. Maybe Trump can offer them money with payment on a specific date, like on inauguration day or something. Because he could do that, unlike the Democrats who would never, ever give a specific date, because of re-elections.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

The Trump campaign needs to explain something that will be easy for the extremely ignorant to understand.

Those people will vote Elitists no matter what. They've already been programmed.

Handouts are the only tool that could possibly work for the extremely ignorant.

Remember that we have 2 major factions in the U.S. today:
Those who work and contribute
Those who are paracites

Coddling the paracites will only piss off the ones who work and contribute.


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Remember that we have 2 major factions in the U.S. today:
Those who work and contribute
Those who are paracites

Coddling the paracites will only piss off the ones who work and contribute.

We need to get their votes somehow. The smart people (the smart people who are not criminals) won't vote against Trump no matter what.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

We need to get their votes somehow.

Actually, we don't.

The smart people (the smart people
who are not criminals) won't vote against Trump no matter what.

I believe that the Woke and Useless makes up a tiny, but vocal, percentage of the voting public. That's why they needed the massive voter fraud to pull Biden across the Finish Line in the last election. If we were closer to 50/50, then a much more subtle fraud could have been done which wouldn't have been as easy to see.

There are some people who are down, but looking for a way up and they now see that the Elitists are blocking them because most of them did very well under Trump.


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The smart people (the smart people
who are not criminals) won't vote against Trump no matter what.

I believe that the Woke and Useless makes up a tiny, but vocal,
percentage of the voting public. That's why they needed the massive

"Ignorant vocalists" are probably outnumbered by "responsible people."

There are some people who are down, but looking for a way up and they
now see that the Elitists are blocking them because most of them did
very well under Trump.

It's got to be a very low number of voters who are doing better financially, and money is definitely the biggest concern for most sane people.

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Dear Joe,

I dislike the wording "funding a war in Ukraine".

What the US funds is the Ukrainian defense operation against the Russian TE>> genocidal incursion. That's quite a difference.

I disagree with most everything you say...

I hope at least you do not disagree with the basic premise quoted above. Because if you don't even accept that there is a genocidal incursion and
that Ukraine has not been waging or been threatening to wage war on Russia
at any point in time, but is now defending itself aginst a genocidal incursion, then there's no point in continue a then facts-free discussion.

After Biden got into office Boris Johnson squashed and agreement that
Ukraine and Russia had come to... No war needed we have an agreement.

This is an element of the fine art of Russian propaganda, which always
sticks more or less to the truth, but frames it the truth a very unique
way that you makes the audicent make the wrong conclusions.

It is true that if you follow the time line the Boris Johnson visit to Selensky was one of the last encounters before the peace agreement finally failed.

It is also true that if you read the peace agreement, which recently has
been published in all major German media, so I suppose you also can read a translation of it in the U.S. media, and if you read it without an understanding of the Russian-Ukrainian history, then you could come to the conclusion that it was a very unwise thing for Ukraine to reject it
because if they had signed it, right now, there would be no killing. I
think that's what you are trying to say.

Now let me share with you the Ukrainian perspective.

Ukraine hat that point had seen Russia waging war on it since 2014. There
was the Crimea incursion, after which ALL Western partners told Ukraine to keep quiet. Then there was the Donbas incursion after which Europe started the Minsk peace process, which as we know gave Ukraine some time, ended
some killing, but ultimately could not lead to peace because at least one party to the table, namely Russia, was not really interested in peace. It
was a consistent experience of Ukrainians at the time that Russia always leads its international politics such that it tries to gain post facto approval for its wars by the West and at the same time secure its position
to be able to continue the war at a later time. This is consistent
behavior of Russia in fact already since the time of the famous Budapest memorandum, a paper in which not only UK, US, France, but also Russia guaranteed the independence an territorial integertiy of Ukraine. The West started to trade with Russia in response to that, Ukraine surrendered its nuclear arsenal in resposne to that, and what has Ukraine of it now?


This is the experience that everyone in Ukraine had. So at the time when
the Istanbul negotations took place, it was TOTALL IRRELVANT to any
Ukrainian party including Selesnky himself what some guests from abroad,
be that Johnson, Steinmeier, Macron, Baerbock or who not had to say to
them. Ukrainians knew what they wanted at the time: not just any kind of peace, but a *just* peace which is set up in a way that no further
incursion by Russia is possible.

If you read the text of the failed Istanbul agreement from this angle, you will realize that Russia wnated to keep part of strategically important Ukrainian territory, it wanted to totally disarm Ukraine, it wanted to
keep Ukraine out of any Western alliance, and it agreed to give Ukraine in return a security agreement signed by the Western powers and Russia. So
far, Ukraine might ahve accepted this, this is why they led negotiations
at all. However, crucically, in the agreement, there is a point that says that Russia was granted a right to veto any Western support for Ukraine in the event of invocation of the security guarantee, and Russia was not prepared to drop this point.

This is like a provision that a sheep agrees to take down the electric
fence around its meadow in exchange for an agreement between the shepherd
and the wolve, in which it is written that the wolve has the right to veto any protective actions such has bringing in the dog by the shepherd in the event that the wolve might want to devour the sheep in the future (which
of course is completely outside the wolve's intentions ...).

The latter provision made the agreement unacceptable to Ukraine and they would not have signed it no matter what Boris Johnson's agenda on said meeting might have been.

I hope you can follow me up to this point.


The next question is what the U.S. should or should not do about it. I
accept that you are U.S. citicens and I am not so I have only a limited
right to speak to this topic and we might not find agreement here.


Let me simply (loosely) quote Timothy Snyder here from a recent lecture of his:

"Even if we convince ourselves that Ukraine is unimportant ... pretty much every one around the world looks at Ukraine as an incredibly easy test for us. We don't have to send soldiers. The amount of money concerned is
frekly invisible. Ideologically, Ukraine is exactly the case we keep
saying we care about: a democracy which is directly threatened. So, if we can't pass a test which our allies and everyone else regards as incredibly easy, we cannot expect our allies and adversaries and everyone else to
think that we would pass any harder test in the future."

You can view an excpert from the lecture here: https://x.com/NFX360/status/1784621066494558391
or see the full one here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVs2y-YeiFM&t=2s

As citizen of a so-far ally of the U.S. I can confirm that this is how we view the U.S.'s role here. I agree that Europe should step up even more
and send even more money and material and determination into this thing, because it is on our continnent. Trump is right when he says this. But the U.S.'s reputation is really at stake when they pull out altogether.

Now you could give a shit about your reputation abroad and say that
schools in the U.S. are more important. The worrying thing about this is, however, that if a military superpower fails a comparatively easy test,
the adversaries are very sure to come up with a harder test. Think of
Taiwan. If Chinae wages war there because it looses respect for the U.S.'s capabilities, then the semiconductor industry will be disrupted so heavily that it could take our economies down - which then will have also an
effect on U.S. schools.

Kind regards,
Tobias

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