Greetings All!

OpenXP 5.0.48 has been released and is available for download from the following URLs .....

https://sourceforge.net/projects/openxp5/

https://openxp.uk/

OpenXP is a fully integrated FidoNet Point system, email client and
newsgroup client for the Windows/Linux console.

OpenXP5.0.48-win.zip - Win32 version.

openxp-5.0.48-1.x86_64-lnx.zip - Linux 64-Bit ZIP package.

openxp-5.0.48-1.x86_64.rpm - Linux 64-Bit RPM package.

Pascal source code packages are also available for download.

See this document for a complete list of changes ..... https://openxp.uk/doc/changes.txt

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: OpenXP-Team (2:310/31.3)

Hello Martin!

** On Sunday 27.12.20 - 11:07, Martin Foster wrote to All:

OpenXP 5.0.48 has been released and is available for download from the following URLs .....

Woohoo! I'm on it.

See this document for a complete list of changes ..... https://openxp.uk/doc/changes.txt

Which reminds me, how exactly do we get the "backward search" to
work (as mentioned in an earlier fix:

OpenXP 5.0.42 - 2019-12-28

Changes (w.r.t. OpenXP 5.0.40):

- All versions:
- Message viewer: backward search with <Shift-Tab>
(in normal search mode only, not in URL-search)
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--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: ----------Do Not Fold, Spindle or Mutilate.---------- (2:221/1.58)

Hello August!

*** Sunday 27.12.20 at 10:59, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

OpenXP 5.0.48 has been released and is available for download from the
following URLs .....

Woohoo! I'm on it.

You like? :-))

See this document for a complete list of changes .....
https://openxp.uk/doc/changes.txt

Which reminds me, how exactly do we get the "backward search" to
work (as mentioned in an earlier fix:

OpenXP 5.0.42 - 2019-12-28

Changes (w.r.t. OpenXP 5.0.40):

- All versions:
- Message viewer: backward search with <Shift-Tab>
(in normal search mode only, not in URL-search)

After doing a normal search by pressing "s" and then repeating the
search any number of times for the next occurence of whatever it is
you're searching for, press <Shift+Tab> and the previous occurence of
the match will be highlighted until there are no more matches.

Try searching 4 times for the word "the" in this message and then
press <Shift+Tab> 4 times to see what I mean :)

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Am 27.12.20 schrieb Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 in POINTS:

Hallo Martin,

OpenXP 5.0.48 has been released and is available for download from the following URLs .....

Thank you very much for the new version, OpenXP-team!
I've just installed it :)

This is a nice christmas gift :)

Regards,
Anna

--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: Imzadi Box Point (2:240/5824.1)

Hello Anna!

** On Monday 28.12.20 - 20:47, Anna Christina Nass wrote to Martin Foster:

Thank you very much for the new version, OpenXP-team!
I've just installed it :)

This is a nice christmas gift :)
-+- OpenXP 5.0.48
+ Origin: Imzadi Box Point (2:240/5824.1)

Hello Anna. Yes.. OpenXP just keeps on giving.

BTW.. I notice that you are linked up with Dovenet (via nntp)
too. Have you noticed that when you post a R)eply in the middle
of a conversion that the message then gets re-addressed to "All"
instead? Yet, when you R)eply to a message that *is* addressed to
your name then the outgoing message is address to the Sender
properly?

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--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: ----------Do Not Fold, Spindle or Mutilate.---------- (2:221/1.58)

Martin wrote (2020-12-27):

See this document for a complete list of changes ..... https://openxp.uk/doc/changes.txt

Changes and bugfixes (w.r.t. OpenXP 5.0.46):

- Fido network
- Added handling of kludge REPLYTO

There is no "REPLYTO" kludge in Fidonet, it's "REPLY"

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* Origin: (2:280/464.47)

Hello Anna!

*** Monday 28.12.20 at 20:47, Anna Christina Nass wrote to Martin Foster:

OpenXP 5.0.48 has been released and is available for download from the
following URLs .....

Thank you very much for the new version, OpenXP-team!

You are very welcome.

I've just installed it :)

Cool :)

This is a nice christmas gift :)

Glad you like it :)

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: OpenXP-Team (2:310/31.3)

Am 28.12.20 schrieb August Abolins@2:221/1.58 in POINTS:

Hallo August,

BTW.. I notice that you are linked up with Dovenet (via nntp)
too. Have you noticed that when you post a R)eply in the middle
of a conversion that the message then gets re-addressed to "All"
instead? Yet, when you R)eply to a message that *is* addressed to
your name then the outgoing message is address to the Sender
properly?

No, I did not notice this because I mostly use the Synchronet web
interface for DOVE-Net and not nntp.
I use OpenXP only for Fido networks (Fido, fsxNet, tqwNet, SciNet).

Regards,
Anna

--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: Imzadi Box Point (2:240/5824.1)

Hello Martin!

** On Monday 28.12.20 - 11:31, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

OpenXP 5.0.48 has been released...

Woohoo! I'm on it.

You like? :-))

What's NOT to like? I am still totally impressed how your simple recommendation (is it 2 years ago now?) steered me off my then chiselled-in-stone decision to stick with a Windows-based Apoint
or Winpoint. OpenXP's text based system is truly ideal for
messaging.

After doing a normal search by pressing "s" and then
repeating the search any number of times for the next
occurence of whatever it is you're searching for, press
<Shift+Tab> and the previous occurence of the match will be
highlighted until there are no more matches.

Ah.. excellent. For the most part, messages are pretty short so
a search for anything hasn't been necessary. But I can see it
handy when reading a long multiple-screen newsletter. Searching
backwards in the same message for the same string is a fine
convenience.

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--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: ----------Do Not Fold, Spindle or Mutilate.---------- (2:221/1.58)

Hello Oli!

*** Tuesday 29.12.20 at 08:53, Oli wrote to Martin Foster:

See this document for a complete list of changes .....
https://openxp.uk/doc/changes.txt

Changes and bugfixes (w.r.t. OpenXP 5.0.46):

- Fido network
- Added handling of kludge REPLYTO

There is no "REPLYTO" kludge in Fidonet,

Oh?

= FUTURE4FIDO (2:310/31.3) ====================================================
Msg : 51 of 101 Snt
From : Benny Pedersen 2:460/58 02 Dec 20 12:05:12
To : All
Subj : ... =============================================================================== @MSGID: 2:460/58 0000054d
@PID: tg_BBS_v0.6.2
@CHRS: CP866 2
@TGUID: 270364579
@REPLYTO 2:460/58 270364579
Hello :)

--- tg BBS v0.6.2
* Origin: Fido by Telegram BBS by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
@PATH: 460/58 280/464 310/31 ===============================================================================

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: OpenXP-Team (2:310/31.3)

Hello August!

*** Wednesday 30.12.20 at 23:58, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

OpenXP 5.0.48 has been released...

Woohoo! I'm on it.

You like? :-))

What's NOT to like? I am still totally impressed how your simple recommendation (is it 2 years ago now?) steered me off my then chiselled-in-stone decision to stick with a Windows-based Apoint
or Winpoint. OpenXP's text based system is truly ideal for
messaging.

I don't remember exactly what I said but I *do* remember referring to
it as an adventure. Long may the adventure continue :-)

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Martin wrote (2021-01-01):

There is no "REPLYTO" kludge in Fidonet,

Oh?

= FUTURE4FIDO (2:310/31.3) ==================================================== Msg : 51 of 101
Snt From : Benny Pedersen
2:460/58 02 Dec 20 12:05:12 To : All
Subj : ... ===============================================================================
@MSGID: 2:460/58 0000054d
@PID: tg_BBS_v0.6.2
@CHRS: CP866 2
@TGUID: 270364579
@REPLYTO 2:460/58 270364579
Hello :)

--- tg BBS v0.6.2
* Origin: Fido by Telegram BBS by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58) ===============================================================================

Sorry, I was confused and thought it had something to do with the MSGID and reply linking. I saw REPLYID kludges generated by some software and replyTo is used internally by some message base formats.

I still don't understand what the REPLYTO kludge is good for in this case. It is also unspecified as a single kludge and not covered by any standard or proposal. There is FSC-0035 (http://ftsc.org/docs/fsc-0035.001) which defines REPLYADDR *and* REPLYTO in combination (both have to be included in the message).

Using the REPLYTO address and ignoring the REPLYADDR could cause issues and is not a correct implementation of FSC-0035. If this is not intended to be an implementation of FSC-0035, maybe the Telegram Gateway and OpenXP should use another kludge.

---
* Origin: (2:280/464.47)

Hello Oli!

*** Saturday 02.01.21 at 15:00, Oli wrote to Martin Foster:

There is no "REPLYTO" kludge in Fidonet,

Oh?

= FUTURE4FIDO (2:310/31.3)
==================================================== Msg : 51 of 101
Snt From : Benny Pedersen
2:460/58 02 Dec 20 12:05:12 To : All
Subj : ...
========================================================================
======= @MSGID: 2:460/58 0000054d
@PID: tg_BBS_v0.6.2
@CHRS: CP866 2
@TGUID: 270364579
@REPLYTO 2:460/58 270364579
Hello :)

--- tg BBS v0.6.2
* Origin: Fido by Telegram BBS by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)
========================================================================
=======

Sorry, I was confused and thought it had something to do with the
MSGID and reply linking.

That's OK, no problem, we all get confused from time to time :)

I saw REPLYID kludges generated by some software and replyTo is used internally by some message base formats.

I still don't understand what the REPLYTO kludge is good for in this case.

It's used for netmail replies to echomail messages originating on the Telegram side of the gateway.

It is also unspecified as a single kludge and not covered by any
standard or proposal. There is FSC-0035 (http://ftsc.org/docs/fsc- 0035.001) which defines REPLYADDR *and* REPLYTO in combination (both
have to be included in the message).

That's absolutely correct.

Using the REPLYTO address and ignoring the REPLYADDR could cause
issues and is not a correct implementation of FSC-0035.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's also absolutely correct.

If this is not intended to be an implementation of FSC-0035, maybe the Telegram Gateway

I cannot possibly pass comment on the Telegram Gateway software
developers' intentions in this respect because I'm not conversant with the way in which his software works.

and OpenXP should use another kludge.

However, OpenXP doesn't insert the kludge, it recognises an implementation
of the kludge and takes action on it when necessary.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Martin!

** On Sunday 03.01.21 - 11:16, Martin Foster wrote to Oli:

I still don't understand what the REPLYTO kludge is good for
in this case.

It's used for netmail replies to echomail messages
originating on the Telegram side of the gateway.

Perhaps we can reserve the term gateway to systems that are truly
insecure like usenet. The Telegram solution that Stas has built
is limited to itself; the general public cannot access those
messages unless specifically participating as "known" users.
Unlike usenet, it is not possible to be a lurker as you can be in
fidonet or usenet.

Carol's analogy of the Telegram "system" as an OLR solution is
better. No one thinks of OLR's as gateways. ;)




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--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: ----------Do Not Fold, Spindle or Mutilate.---------- (2:221/1.58)

Hello Martin!

** On Sunday 03.01.21 - 11:16, Martin Foster wrote to Oli:

It is also unspecified as a single kludge and not covered by
any standard or proposal. There is FSC-0035 (http://
ftsc.org/docs/fsc-0035.001) which defines REPLYADDR *and*
REPLYTO in combination (both have to be included in the
message).

That's absolutely correct.

Ah.. but it seems that application of any particular kludge
(especially if it is just in the documented proposal stage) is
optional. Therefore, there is nothing technically wrong with
REPLYTO appearing by itself if it doesn't break anyone's system.

Infact, MSGID has appeared by itself by many systems (and may
still do). However.. that one is now documented as an FTS and to
be used in conjunction with the REPLYID.

But.. there will always be people insisting to use old software
that can't be updated to use anything beyond what's in FTS-0001

Using the REPLYTO address and ignoring the REPLYADDR could cause
issues and is not a correct implementation of FSC-0035.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's also absolutely correct.

What issues? Techically, REPLYTO is working just fine (by
OpenXP). Why is even REPLYADRR required when all equivalent info
is already present in *other* parts of the header?

Too bad the FTC-0035 doesn't provide working examples.
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--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: ----------Do Not Fold, Spindle or Mutilate.---------- (2:221/1.58)

Hello August!

*** Sunday 03.01.21 at 09:19, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

I still don't understand what the REPLYTO kludge is good for
in this case.

It's used for netmail replies to echomail messages
originating on the Telegram side of the gateway.

Perhaps we can reserve the term gateway to systems that are truly
insecure like usenet. The Telegram solution that Stas has built
is limited to itself; the general public cannot access those
messages unless specifically participating as "known" users.
Unlike usenet, it is not possible to be a lurker as you can be in
fidonet or usenet.

Carol's analogy of the Telegram "system" as an OLR solution is
better. No one thinks of OLR's as gateways. ;)

OK, perhaps it would have been better and more accurate if I'd said "originating on Telegram Messenger" instead of saying "originating on the Telegram side of the gateway".

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello August!

*** Sunday 03.01.21 at 11:24, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

[snip]

Using the REPLYTO address and ignoring the REPLYADDR could cause
issues and is not a correct implementation of FSC-0035.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's also absolutely correct.

What issues?

I was actually replying to the text which I'd "underlined" :)

Techically, REPLYTO is working just fine (by OpenXP).

Yes it is and thanks for confirming that :)

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Martin!

** On Tuesday 05.01.21 - 11:18, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

Carol's analogy of the Telegram "system" as an OLR solution is
better. No one thinks of OLR's as gateways. ;)

OK, perhaps it would have been better and more accurate if I'd said "originating on Telegram Messenger" instead of saying "originating on the Telegram side of the gateway".

Perhaps. ;) I think "posted from tg BBS" would be better,
because Stas' tosser converts Telegram's format to something FTN
can understand. Technically, the messages dead-end at Stas' BBS
system. He merely uses the Telegram resources like a VPS, and all
we have to do is use the Telegram app to read the material.


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--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: ----------Do Not Fold, Spindle or Mutilate.---------- (2:221/1.58)

Hello Anna!

** On Tuesday 29.12.20 - 19:37, Anna Christina Nass wrote to August Abolins:

I use OpenXP only for Fido networks (Fido, fsxNet, tqwNet, SciNet).

From where are you getting Scinet? I wouldn't mind adding a few
echo from that.

Meanwhile, I replied to you FSXnet about a potential source for
getting DoveNet.

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--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: :) :D :O :( :[ ;) 8) B) :> |I :P =) :S :B :] :\ (2:221/1.58)

Am 07.01.21 schrieb August Abolins@2:221/1.58 in POINTS:

Hallo August,

I use OpenXP only for Fido networks (Fido, fsxNet, tqwNet, SciNet).

From where are you getting Scinet? I wouldn't mind adding a few
echo from that.

I've used the application form in a SciNet infopack.
My Hub is the disksh0p bbs (diskshop.ca).
You can get the infopack here: https://scinet-ftn.org

Meanwhile, I replied to you FSXnet about a potential source for
getting DoveNet.

Thank you!

Regards,
Anna

--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: Imzadi Box Point (2:240/5824.1)

I've used the application form in a SciNet infopack.
My Hub is the disksh0p bbs (diskshop.ca).
You can get the infopack here: https://scinet-ftn.org

I did not realize that there was a whole website dedicated to that othernet. It's a beautiful work, and the info is well organized.

I did not realize that you were pointing off of your own bbs initially.

Maybe non-bbs/independent users are not part of the scinet plan. I will see.

thx for the info.
--- SBBSecho 3.12-Linux
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757.2)

On 07 Jan 2021, August Abolins said the following...

From where are you getting Scinet? I wouldn't mind adding a few
echo from that.

I've never been a hub or a boss node before, but I've got SciNet and am willing to give it a shot if you are.

I use Mystic & Bink if that makes any difference.

Jay

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/05 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms (1:229/664)

Hello Jay!

** On Thursday 07.01.21 - 14:30, Jay Harris wrote to August Abolins:

I've never been a hub or a boss node before, but I've got SciNet and am willing to give it a shot if you are.

As long as I am not ruffling anyone's feathers wrt what is
allowed in the network, I'm game.

I use Mystic & Bink if that makes any difference.

Shouldn't be a problem.

I could send you my pw preference via crash netmail as a
preliminary test/confirmation.

Sofar, I am connecting to boss systems that use binkd/1.1a-111
and binkp/1.1 that all use Synchonet.

One of them was briefly operating Enigma or Mystic, but switched
to Sychronet.


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--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: :) :D :O :( :[ ;) 8) B) :> |I :P =) :S :B :] :\ (2:221/1.58)

On 07 Jan 2021, August Abolins said the following...

I've never been a hub or a boss node before, but I've got SciNet and willing to give it a shot if you are.

As long as I am not ruffling anyone's feathers wrt what is
allowed in the network, I'm game.

I'll double-check with Frank just to make sure. I just sent him a Netmail.

Jay

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/05 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms (1:229/664)

On 07 Jan 2021, Jay Harris said the following...

I've never been a hub or a boss node before, but I've got SciNet willing to give it a shot if you are.

As long as I am not ruffling anyone's feathers wrt what is
allowed in the network, I'm game.

I'll double-check with Frank just to make sure. I just sent him a Netmail.

Frank says we can "Go Nuts" ;)

Haven't got a Netmail from you yet though.


Jay

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/05 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms (1:229/664)

Hello Jay!

** On Thursday 07.01.21 - 22:10, Jay Harris wrote to August Abolins:

Frank says we can "Go Nuts" ;)
Haven't got a Netmail from you yet though.

I delivered it direct (crash) to your system, hours ago:

Subject: Netcall to 1:229/664
Software: OpenXP/5.0.48 (Win32)
Date: Th 07.01.21, 17:42
Size: 471 Bytes
--------------------------------------------------------
1 15 F1-Help
= 17:42:35 CONNECT
17:42:36 OPT CRAM-MD5-34b06aba336d07ae6c6b5df6afe2b1c3
17:42:36 SYS Northern Realms
17:42:36 ZYZ Warpslide
17:42:36 TIME Thu, 07 Jan 2021 17:42:34 -0500
17:42:36 VER Mystic/1.12A47 binkp/1.0
17:42:36 BUILD 2021/01/05 00:11:26 Raspberry Pi/32
17:42:37 non-secure
17:42:37 QSIZE 0 files 0 bytes
* 17:42:38 Sent 07174235.PKT, 864b
= 17:42:38 hangup
- 17:42:38 exiting


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--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: :) :D :O :( :[ ;) 8) B) :> |I :P =) :S :B :] :\ (2:221/1.58)

Am 07.01.21 schrieb August Abolins@1:153/757.2 in POINTS:

Hallo August,

You can get the infopack here: https://scinet-ftn.org

[...]

Maybe non-bbs/independent users are not part of the scinet plan. I will see.

Why do you think this?
I guess you can ask if you can connect to diskshop or other BBSes as a point...

Regards,
Anna

--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: Imzadi Box Point (2:240/5824.1)

On 07 Jan 2021, August Abolins said the following...

Haven't got a Netmail from you yet though.

I delivered it direct (crash) to your system, hours ago:

Hmm, Mystic isn't seeing it as Netmail...

+ Jan 08 08:06:35 Process: Importing EchoMail
+ Jan 08 08:06:35 Waiting for BUSY nodes
+ Jan 08 08:06:35 Importing 07174235.PKT (2:221/1.58 to 1:229/664)
! Jan 08 08:06:35 No echomail node configured for 2:221/1.58
! Jan 08 08:06:35 Moving /home/pi/mystic/echomail/in/07174235.PKT to /home/pi

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/05 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms (1:229/664)

Hello Anna!

** On Friday 08.01.21 - 11:50, Anna Christina Nass wrote to August Abolins:

Maybe non-bbs/independent users are not part of the scinet plan. I will
see.

Why do you think this?
I guess you can ask if you can connect to diskshop or other BBSes as a point...

I had a situation in Micronet where I asked if I could come on
board as a point, but no one was operating one. The guidelines
seemed to be geared to assume sysop members only.

I thought that maybe SciNet was sysop-only too.

Anyway.. I am poised to get a point assignment. It's all good.

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--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: :) :D :O :( :[ ;) 8) B) :> |I :P =) :S :B :] :\ (2:221/1.58)

Hello Jay!

** On Friday 08.01.21 - 08:19, Jay Harris wrote to August Abolins:

On 07 Jan 2021, August Abolins said the following...

Haven't got a Netmail from you yet though.

I delivered it direct (crash) to your system, hours ago:

Hmm, Mystic isn't seeing it as Netmail...

+ Jan 08 08:06:35 Process: Importing EchoMail
+ Jan 08 08:06:35 Waiting for BUSY nodes
+ Jan 08 08:06:35 Importing 07174235.PKT (2:221/1.58 to 1:229/664)
! Jan 08 08:06:35 No echomail node configured for 2:221/1.58
! Jan 08 08:06:35 Moving /home/pi/mystic/echomail/in/07174235.PKT to /home/pi

Interesting. Is it because my system is Zone 2, and yours is
Zone 1?

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--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: :) :D :O :( :[ ;) 8) B) :> |I :P =) :S :B :] :\ (2:221/1.58)

Hello Jay!

** On Friday 08.01.21 - 08:19, Jay Harris wrote to August Abolins:

Hmm, Mystic isn't seeing it as Netmail...

+ Jan 08 08:06:35 Process: Importing EchoMail
+ Jan 08 08:06:35 Waiting for BUSY nodes
+ Jan 08 08:06:35 Importing 07174235.PKT (2:221/1.58 to 1:229/664)
! Jan 08 08:06:35 No echomail node configured for 2:221/1.58
! Jan 08 08:06:35 Moving /home/pi/mystic/echomail/in/07174235.PKT to /home/pi

MEANWHILE, I send a netmail routed.

And, I just delivered another crash netmail but this time I used
a zone that we have in common, "21:"

My logs don't record your Z:N/F number. :( But the packet
number might help you look for it if you have to:

= 09:13:12 CONNECT
09:13:14 OPT CRAM-MD5-074d93030edc269a488e40666b8fa33d
09:13:15 SYS Northern Realms
09:13:15 ZYZ Warpslide
09:13:15 TIME Fri, 08 Jan 2021 09:13:12 -0500
09:13:15 VER Mystic/1.12A47 binkp/1.0
09:13:15 BUILD 2021/01/05 00:11:26 Raspberry Pi/32
09:13:16 non-secure
09:13:16 QSIZE 0 files 0 bytes
* 09:13:17 Sent 08091311.PKT, 407b
= 09:13:17 hangup
- 09:13:17 exiting



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--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: :) :D :O :( :[ ;) 8) B) :> |I :P =) :S :B :] :\ (2:221/1.58)

On 08 Jan 2021, August Abolins said the following...

Maybe non-bbs/independent users are not part of the scinet plan. I
see.

Why do you think this?
I guess you can ask if you can connect to diskshop or other BBSes

as a ACN> point...

I had a situation in Micronet where I asked if I could come on
board as a point, but no one was operating one. The guidelines
seemed to be geared to assume sysop members only.

I thought that maybe SciNet was sysop-only too.

Anyway.. I am poised to get a point assignment. It's all good.

Each network has it's own thing. I had a lot of trouble finding a system in
Z1 to accept points for a while.

All you can do is keep looking around.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: theoasisbbs.ddns.net:1357 (1:106/127)

On 08 Jan 2021, August Abolins said the following...

On 07 Jan 2021, August Abolins said the following...

Haven't got a Netmail from you yet though.

I delivered it direct (crash) to your system, hours ago:

Hmm, Mystic isn't seeing it as Netmail...

+ Jan 08 08:06:35 Process: Importing EchoMail
+ Jan 08 08:06:35 Waiting for BUSY nodes
+ Jan 08 08:06:35 Importing 07174235.PKT (2:221/1.58 to 1:229/664) ! Jan 08 08:06:35 No echomail node configured for 2:221/1.58
! Jan 08 08:06:35 Moving /home/pi/mystic/echomail/in/07174235.PKT /home/pi

Interesting. Is it because my system is Zone 2, and yours is
Zone 1?

I would't think so. Maybe it doesnpt accept unknown sources?

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: theoasisbbs.ddns.net:1357 (1:106/127)

On 08 Jan 2021, August Abolins said the following...

MEANWHILE, I send a netmail routed.

And, I just delivered another crash netmail but this time I used
a zone that we have in common, "21:"

My logs don't record your Z:N/F number. :( But the packet
number might help you look for it if you have to:

Weird, Mystic is still trying to toss it as echomail:

+ Jan 08 11:08:09 Importing 08091311.PKT (2:221/1.58 to 21:3/110)
! Jan 08 11:08:09 No echomail node configured for 2:221/1.58
! Jan 08 11:08:09 Moving /home/pi/mystic/echomail/in/unsecure/08091311.PKT to /home/pi/mystic/echomail/bad/08091311.PKT

I had a look at the packet and I do see an INTL kludge in there, which I believe only netmail has. (Correct me if I'm wrong) - So I'm not sure what the issue is here.

At any rate, if I get you setup as a point, my system will then at least know who you are... lol


Jay

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/05 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms (1:229/664)

On 08 Jan 2021, Charles Pierson said the following...

I would't think so. Maybe it doesnpt accept unknown sources?

I do have "Allow UnSecure = Yes" in my bink server config as well as "unsecure_dir = true" in my mailin.ini file. So it *should* be working, I've received direct netmail before from fsx as well as some direct netmails from fido when sending to ping@.

Not sure where the issue lays here... *scratches head*


Jay

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/05 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms (1:229/664)

* Originally in wat.netmail
* Crossposted in points

* Replying to a msg in points (points)

Hi Jay.

08 Jan 21 11:11:22, you wrote to August Abolins:

On 08 Jan 2021, August Abolins said the following...

MEANWHILE, I send a netmail routed.

And, I just delivered another crash netmail but this time I used
a zone that we have in common, "21:"

My logs don't record your Z:N/F number. :( But the packet
number might help you look for it if you have to:

Weird, Mystic is still trying to toss it as echomail:

+ Jan 08 11:08:09 Importing 08091311.PKT (2:221/1.58 to 21:3/110)
! Jan 08 11:08:09 No echomail node configured for 2:221/1.58
! Jan 08 11:08:09 Moving /home/pi/mystic/echomail/in/unsecure/08091311.PKT to
/home/pi/mystic/echomail/bad/08091311.PKT

I had a look at the packet and I do see an INTL kludge in there, which I believe only netmail has.
(Correct me if I'm wrong) - So I'm not sure what the issue is here.

At any rate, if I get you setup as a point, my system will then at least know
who you are... lol

This is a crashmail test reply from a point of GoldED/HPT/Binkd.

Jay

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/05 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms (1:229/664)

'Tommi


---
* Origin: IPv6 Point at [2001:470:1f15:cb0:2:221:1:1] (2:221/1.1)

On 08 Jan 2021, Jay Harris said the following...

Not sure where the issue lays here... *scratches head*

The plot thickens. I have exactly three files in my /bad directory:

pi@bbs:~/mystic/echomail/bad $ ll
total 12K
-rw-r--r-- 1 pi pi 968 Dec 6 14:36 06193633.PKT
-rw-r--r-- 1 pi pi 864 Jan 7 12:42 07174235.PKT
-rw-r--r-- 1 pi pi 407 Jan 8 04:13 08091311.PKT

All three seem to be direct netmails from Ogg.

Here is the header of the last packet. I've replaced the escape characters with spaces for the purpose of this message and the "white box" character with *s.

n * * tkaugabo : jn *08 Jan 21 09:13:00Jay HarrisOggtesting same ZONE F
MPT 21
INTL 21:3/110 21:4/106
MSGID: 21:4/106.21@fsxnet ec3c87c1
PID: OpenXP/5.0.48 (Win32)
CHRS: ASCII 1
TZUTC: -0500

I'm wondering if the (F)MPT kludge split up on multiple lines is the culprit?

Does anyone know of a .PKT reader available for arm/linux?


Jay

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/05 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms (1:229/664)

Hi Jay,

On 2021-01-08 11:44:55, you wrote to All:

Does anyone know of a .PKT reader available for arm/linux?

Do you have a C compiler available for it? If so, I can get you the C source code of one, that works on my (intel) linux machine...

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

On 08 Jan 2021, Wilfred van Velzen said the following...

Do you have a C compiler available for it? If so, I can get you the C sourcecode of one, that works on my (intel) linux machine...

I had to build cryptlib for Mystic by installing build-essentials. I *think* that should work?

Jay

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/05 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms (1:229/664)

On 08 Jan 2021, Tommi Koivula said the following...

This is a crashmail test reply from a point of GoldED/HPT/Binkd.

'Tommi

Thanks, I got both this and the direct netmail.

Jay

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/05 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms (1:229/664)

Hi Jay.

08 Jan 21 13:46:30, you wrote to me:

On 08 Jan 2021, Tommi Koivula said the following...

This is a crashmail test reply from a point of GoldED/HPT/Binkd.

'Tommi

Thanks, I got both this and the direct netmail.

Good! So it seems that there is something wrong with OpenXP... Well, it is a _point_ software. Points should send all mail via their boss.

'Tommi

... \\ZPO has been up for: 22 day(s), 11 hour(s), 20 minute(s), 30 second(s) ---
* Origin: IPv6 Point at [2001:470:1f15:cb0:2:221:1:1] (2:221/1.1)

Hi Jay,

On 2021-01-08 13:45:32, you wrote to me:

Do you have a C compiler available for it? If so, I can get you the C
sourcecode of one, that works on my (intel) linux machine...

I had to build cryptlib for Mystic by installing build-essentials. I *think* that should work?

Ok, download: http://www.vlzn.nl/tmp/pktview-1.1-src.zip
Unzip it somewhere, and do something like:

# gcc pktview.c -o pktview

Which should give you the 'pktview' command.
Usage is self explanatory when you run it without arguments.

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

Hello Tommi!

** On Friday 08.01.21 - 20:59, Tommi Koivula wrote to Jay Harris:

Thanks, I got both this and the direct netmail.

Good! So it seems that there is something wrong with OpenXP... Well, it
is a _point_ software. Points should send all mail via their boss.

It's point software with perks, like not discriminating with
other systems by mishandling established session pwds, it seems.

:(

Will have to report that situation.

--
../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: :) :D :O :( :[ ;) 8) B) :> |I :P =) :S :B :] :\ (2:221/1.58)

On 08 Jan 2021, Wilfred van Velzen said the following...

Ok, download: http://www.vlzn.nl/tmp/pktview-1.1-src.zip
Unzip it somewhere, and do something like:

# gcc pktview.c -o pktview

Which should give you the 'pktview' command.
Usage is self explanatory when you run it without arguments.

Awesome, thanks! That seems to be working:

pktview V1.1, Copyright WvV 1998, 2016

Dest. Node addr: 1:229/664.0
Orig. Node addr: 2:221/1.58
QDest Zone : 1
QOrig Zone : 2
Aux Net : 0
Date : 2021/01/07
Time : 00:00:00
Baud : 0
Pkt Type : 2
ProdCode : 233
Revision Major : 3
Revision Minor : 20
Password : (hidden)
Capability Word: 0001
Capability Val.: 0001
Product data : 00000000

Date Time To From Subject Area ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 07 Jan 21 17:41:00 Jay Harris August Abolins SciNet Point

1 messages in this .pkt file.


And with -v:

001 Orig. : 221/1
Dest. : 229/664
Attribute: 0081
Cost : 0
Date : 07 Jan 21 17:41:00
To : Jay Harris
From : August Abolins
Subject : SciNet Point


So the packet itself *seems* to be ok, there's no area on the message, but Mystic isn't seeing the message as netmail. Could it be because of the PKT password?

Just not sure what makes a netmail message.. netmail:

+ Jan 08 16:34:22 Process: Importing EchoMail
+ Jan 08 16:34:22 Waiting for BUSY nodes
! Jan 08 16:34:22 Import from /home/pi/mystic/echomail/in/
! Jan 08 16:34:22 Import from /home/pi/mystic/echomail/in/unsecure/
+ Jan 08 16:34:22 Importing 06193633.PKT (2:221/1.58 to 1:229/664)
! Jan 08 16:34:22 No echomail node configured for 2:221/1.58
! Jan 08 16:34:22 Moving /home/pi/mystic/echomail/in/unsecure/06193633.PKT to /home/pi/mystic/echomail/bad/06193633.PKT
+ Jan 08 16:34:22 Importing 07174235.PKT (2:221/1.58 to 1:229/664)
! Jan 08 16:34:22 No echomail node configured for 2:221/1.58
! Jan 08 16:34:22 Moving /home/pi/mystic/echomail/in/unsecure/07174235.PKT to /home/pi/mystic/echomail/bad/07174235.PKT
+ Jan 08 16:34:22 Importing 08091311.PKT (2:221/1.58 to 21:3/110)
! Jan 08 16:34:22 No echomail node configured for 2:221/1.58
! Jan 08 16:34:22 Moving /home/pi/mystic/echomail/in/unsecure/08091311.PKT to /home/pi/mystic/echomail/bad/08091311.PKT
+ Jan 08 16:34:22 Results: 0 echo, 0 net, 0 dupes, 0 tossed in 0.08s


Whereas Tommi's netmail form before:

+ Jan 08 11:55:12 Process: Importing EchoMail
+ Jan 08 11:55:12 Waiting for BUSY nodes
+ Jan 08 11:55:12 Importing 901beb06.pkt (2:221/1.1 to 1:229/664)
+ Jan 08 11:55:12 Netmail from Tommi Koivula (2:221/1.1) to Jay Harris (1:229/664)
+ Jan 08 11:55:12 Results: 0 echo, 1 net, 0 dupes, 0 tossed in 0.08s


Jay

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/05 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms (1:229/664)

Hi Jay,

On 2021-01-08 16:50:14, you wrote to me:

Usage is self explanatory when you run it without arguments.

Awesome, thanks! That seems to be working:

pktview V1.1, Copyright WvV 1998, 2016

Dest. Node addr: 1:229/664.0
Orig. Node addr: 2:221/1.58
QDest Zone : 1
QOrig Zone : 2
Aux Net : 0
Date : 2021/01/07
Time : 00:00:00
Baud : 0
Pkt Type : 2
ProdCode : 233
Revision Major : 3
Revision Minor : 20
Password : (hidden)
Capability Word: 0001
Capability Val.: 0001
Product data : 00000000

Date Time To From Subject Area ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- 07 Jan 21 17:41:00 Jay Harris August Abolins SciNet Point

1 messages in this .pkt file.

And with -v:

001 Orig. : 221/1
Dest. : 229/664
Attribute: 0081
Cost : 0
Date : 07 Jan 21 17:41:00
To : Jay Harris
From : August Abolins
Subject : SciNet Point

So the packet itself *seems* to be ok, there's no area on the message,

It's a quite simple program. It only shows the contents of the pkt and message headers inside the .pkt file. It skips the text part, including the kludges it contains.

but Mystic isn't seeing the message as netmail. Could it be because
of the PKT password?

No.

Just not sure what makes a netmail message.. netmail:

The only distinction is the AREA:XXX line an echomail contains as first line of the text of a message. And a .pkt file can contain both at the same time, and in no particular order...


Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

Hi August.

08 Jan 21 16:21:00, you wrote to me:

** On Friday 08.01.21 - 20:59, Tommi Koivula wrote to Jay Harris:

Thanks, I got both this and the direct netmail.

Good! So it seems that there is something wrong with OpenXP... Well, it
is a _point_ software. Points should send all mail via their boss.

It's point software with perks, like not discriminating with
other systems by mishandling established session pwds, it seems.

Even if there is an incorrect pkt password in the .pkt, why does Mystic think the message is echomail?

August, please send me a crash netmail to 2:221/6. I'll catch the .pkt before processing.

'Tommi

---
* Origin: IPv6 Point at [2001:470:1f15:cb0:2:221:1:1] (2:221/1.1)

Even if there is an incorrect pkt password in the .pkt, why does Mystic think the message is echomail?

That would be a Mystic problem? :/
--- SBBSecho 3.12-Linux
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757.2)

09 Jan 21 08:03, August Abolins wrote to Tommi Koivula:

Even if there is an incorrect pkt password in the .pkt, why does Mystic
think the message is echomail?

That would be a Mystic problem? :/

That's what think, yes.

'Tommi

---
* Origin: rbb.fidonet.fi (2:221/1)

Hello Jay!

** On Friday 08.01.21 - 16:50, Jay Harris wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

pktview V1.1, Copyright WvV 1998, 2016

Dest. Node addr: 1:229/664.0
Orig. Node addr: 2:221/1.58
QDest Zone : 1
QOrig Zone : 2
Aux Net : 0
Date : 2021/01/07
Time : 00:00:00
Baud : 0
Pkt Type : 2
ProdCode : 233
Revision Major : 3
Revision Minor : 20
Password : (hidden)

^^^^^^^^

Nice catch, but you inadvertantly revealed it in a previous
message.

;)

So the packet itself *seems* to be ok, there's no area on the message,
but Mystic isn't seeing the message as netmail. Could it be because of the PKT password?

Are you able to receive netmail as netmail from other sources?

Whereas Tommi's netmail form before:

+ Jan 08 11:55:12 Process: Importing EchoMail
+ Jan 08 11:55:12 Waiting for BUSY nodes
+ Jan 08 11:55:12 Importing 901beb06.pkt (2:221/1.1 to 1:229/664)
+ Jan 08 11:55:12 Netmail from Tommi Koivula (2:221/1.1) to Jay Harris (1:229/664) + Jan 08 11:55:12 Results: 0 echo, 1 net, 0 dupes, 0 tossed in 0.08s

OK.. so you're saying Tommi's netmails are being recognized as
netmails, but mine were not? (I say "were" because now that we
have a Boss-Point relationship, the problem has gone away?)

Perhaps someone else who runs OpenXP could drop some crash
netmails to you for further comparison?
--
../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: :) :D :O :( :[ ;) 8) B) :> |I :P =) :S :B :] :\ (2:221/1.58)

Whereas Tommi's netmail form before:

+ Jan 08 11:55:12 Process: Importing EchoMail
+ Jan 08 11:55:12 Waiting for BUSY nodes
+ Jan 08 11:55:12 Importing 901beb06.pkt (2:221/1.1 to 1:229/664)
+ Jan 08 11:55:12 Netmail from Tommi Koivula (2:221/1.1) to Jay Harris JH>> (1:229/664) + Jan 08 11:55:12 Results: 0 echo, 1 net, 0 dupes, 0 tossed JH>> in 0.08s

OK.. so you're saying Tommi's netmails are being recognized as
netmails, but mine were not? (I say "were" because now that we
have a Boss-Point relationship, the problem has gone away?)

Perhaps someone else who runs OpenXP could drop some crash
netmails to you for further comparison?

Perhaps.. I just need to learn how. ;)

'Tommi

--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: -----> (2:221/1.2)

On 09 Jan 2021, August Abolins said the following...

Password : (hidden)

^^^^^^^^

Nice catch, but you inadvertantly revealed it in a previous
message.

You can always change it via Areafix zi believe.

So the packet itself *seems* to be ok, there's no area on the message but Mystic isn't seeing the message as netmail. Could it be because the PKT password?

Are you able to receive netmail as netmail from other sources?

Whereas Tommi's netmail form before:

+ Jan 08 11:55:12 Process: Importing EchoMail
+ Jan 08 11:55:12 Waiting for BUSY nodes
+ Jan 08 11:55:12 Importing 901beb06.pkt (2:221/1.1 to 1:229/664) + Jan 08 11:55:12 Netmail from Tommi Koivula (2:221/1.1) to Jay Ha (1:229/664) + Jan 08 11:55:12 Results: 0 echo, 1 net, 0 dupes, 0 tos in 0.08s

OK.. so you're saying Tommi's netmails are being recognized as
netmails, but mine were not? (I say "were" because now that we
have a Boss-Point relationship, the problem has gone away?)

Perhaps someone else who runs OpenXP could drop some crash
netmails to you for further comparison?

Is OpenXP available for Linux? I want to experiment with point software with this setup anyway.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: theoasisbbs.ddns.net:1357 (1:106/127)

Hello Tommi!

** On Sunday 10.01.21 - 11:58, Tommi Koivula wrote to August Abolins:

Perhaps someone else who runs OpenXP could drop some crash
netmails to you for further comparison?

Perhaps.. I just need to learn how. ;)

There is a Linux version you could play with.

Hop over to http://openxp.kolico.ca and look under "Get OpenXP"

And, I would highly recommend simply using the step-by-step walk-
through in the Quick-start guide. There are some distintions to
be aware up between the Win and Linux versions during install.

--
../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: :) :D :O :( :[ ;) 8) B) :> |I :P =) :S :B :] :\ (2:221/1.58)

Perhaps someone else who runs OpenXP could drop some crash
netmails to you for further comparison?

Perhaps.. I just need to learn how. ;)

There is a Linux version you could play with.

Hop over to http://openxp.kolico.ca and look under "Get OpenXP"

And, I would highly recommend simply using the step-by-step walk-
through in the Quick-start guide. There are some distintions to
be aware up between the Win and Linux versions during install.

Well, I have this win32 version running. I still don't know how to send
crash netmail.

Never mind. :)

'Tommi

--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: -----> (2:221/1.2)

Hi Charles!

On 10/01/2021 11:53, Charles Pierson : August Abolins wrote:

[snip]

Is OpenXP available for Linux? I want to experiment with point software with this setup anyway.

https://openxp.uk/linux/

Regards,
Martin

--- Thunderbird 78.6.0
* Origin: nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland (2:221/360.0)

On 10 Jan 2021, Martin Foster said the following...

Is OpenXP available for Linux? I want to experiment with point software this setup anyway.

https://openxp.uk/linux/

I'm not sure if those will work for me, This set-up is basically a Raspberry Pi, at least tge arrmf hardware. But I'll try anything once

.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: theoasisbbs.ddns.net:1357 (1:106/127)

Hello Tommi!

** On Sunday 10.01.21 - 15:16, Tommi Koivula wrote to August Abolins:

Well, I have this win32 version running. I still don't know how to send crash netmail.

Never mind. :)

-+- OpenXP 5.0.48
+ Origin: -----> (2:221/1.2)

Yeah.. nevermind. It appears that I have conditioned myself to skip reading Origin lines.

To send crash.. when first go to Save a message you will see this:


�� Public message (quote) ���������������������������������������Ŀ
� �
� To: /FIDO/POINTS �
� �
� Recipient Tommi Koivula �
� �
� Subject SciNet Point �
� �
� Server 2:221/1 Code: ROT13 possible �
� �
� Size 497 Bytes Copies: none �
� �
� Send... Change... �
� Yes No Internal Special Subj. Server Code Text � �������������������������������������������������������������������

But before you select the default >YES<, press S[p]ecial. There, you will have to option to toggle Crash.



--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: :) :D :O :( :[ ;) 8) B) :> |I :P =) :S :B :] :\ (2:221/1.58)

Hi August.

10 Jan 21 08:35:00, you wrote to me:

Yeah.. nevermind. It appears that I have conditioned myself to skip reading
Origin lines.

:)

But before you select the default >YES<, press S[p]ecial. There, you will have to option to toggle Crash.

Hidden! :D

But this is what it says:

=== Cut ===
┌─ Private message (quote) ──────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
│ │
│ To: August Abolins@2:221/1.58 │
│ │
│ Subject ┌─ Error ─────────────────────────────────────────────┐ │
│ │ │ │
│ Server │ Plese send message to Server as a normal netmail. │ │
│ │ │ │
│ Size └─────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ │
│ │
│ Special... │
│ Park Date RecConf withoutSig delete Crash PGP Back │
└────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘
=== Cut ===

'Tommi

---
* Origin: IPv6 Point at [2001:470:1f15:cb0:2:221:1:1] (2:221/1.1)

Hello Tommi!

** On Sunday 10.01.21 - 15:57, Tommi Koivula wrote to August Abolins:

But before you select the default >YES<, press S[p]ecial. There, you
will have to option to toggle Crash.

Hidden! :D

But this is what it says:

=== Cut ===
Abolins@2:221/1.58
Plese send
message to Server as a normal netmail.
Park Date RecConf withoutSig delete Crash PGP Back
=== Cut ===

-+-
+ Origin: IPv6 Point at [2001:470:1f15:cb0:2:221:1:1] (2:221/1.1)

AH! That's because we have a secure/direct (server/client)
setup.

But you should be able to send Crash from 2:221/1.1 via 2:221/6.

That's what I did when you asked me to test a message from my
point to your 2:221/6 system.

--
../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: :) :D :O :( :[ ;) 8) B) :> |I :P =) :S :B :] :\ (2:221/1.58)

AH! That's because we have a secure/direct (server/client)
setup.

But you should be able to send Crash from 2:221/1.1 via 2:221/6.

That's what I did when you asked me to test a message from my
point to your 2:221/6 system.

Ok. Not easy but I did it. ;)

'Tommi


--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: -----> (2:221/1.2)

OK.. so you're saying Tommi's netmails are being recognized as
netmails, but mine were not? (I say "were" because now that we
have a Boss-Point relationship, the problem has gone away?)

Correct, if you netmail me using your SciNet point address it'll come through, but if you send from another point it'll get tossed as bad.

Tommi's netmail came through no problem, it looks like he's using GoldED as an editor along with Husky/Bink to toss & send.

I just sent you netmail crash from OpenXP.

18:07:37 ncmodem: Log: = CONNECT
18:07:40 ncmodem: Log: OPT CRAM-MD5-9be4cb5a79d020a6103b4d69d640595e
18:07:40 ncmodem: Log: SYS Northern Realms
18:07:40 ncmodem: Log: ZYZ Warpslide
18:07:40 ncmodem: Log: TIME Sun, 10 Jan 2021 11:07:40 -0500
18:07:40 ncmodem: Log: VER Mystic/1.12A47 binkp/1.0
18:07:40 ncmodem: Log: BUILD 2021/01/05 00:11:26 Raspberry Pi/32
18:07:41 ncmodem: Log: non-secure
18:07:41 ncmodem: Log: QSIZE 0 files 0 bytes
18:07:41 ncmodem: Log: * Sent 10180736.PKT, 416b
18:07:41 ncmodem: Log: = hangup
18:07:41 ncmodem: Log: - exiting

'Tommi

--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: -----> (2:221/1.2)

On 09 Jan 2021, August Abolins said the following...

Nice catch, but you inadvertantly revealed it in a previous
message.

Yeah, that's my bad. *facepalm*

OK.. so you're saying Tommi's netmails are being recognized as
netmails, but mine were not? (I say "were" because now that we
have a Boss-Point relationship, the problem has gone away?)

Correct, if you netmail me using your SciNet point address it'll come through, but if you send from another point it'll get tossed as bad.

Tommi's netmail came through no problem, it looks like he's using GoldED as an editor along with Husky/Bink to toss & send.


Jay

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/05 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms (1:229/664)

On 10 Jan 2021, Tommi Koivula said the following...

I just sent you netmail crash from OpenXP.

That one came through & I see it in my netmail base. Also replied as a test.

+ Jan 10 11:07:41 Process: Importing EchoMail
+ Jan 10 11:07:41 Waiting for BUSY nodes
+ Jan 10 11:07:41 Importing 10180736.PKT (2:221/1.2 to 1:229/664)
+ Jan 10 11:07:41 Netmail from Tommi Koivula (2:221/1.2) to Jay Harris (1:229/664)
+ Jan 10 11:07:41 Results: 0 echo, 1 net, 0 dupes, 0 tossed in 0.09s


Jay

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/05 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms (1:229/664)

On 10 Jan 2021, Tommi Koivula said the following...

I just sent you netmail crash from OpenXP.

That one came through & I see it in my netmail base. Also replied as a test.

+ Jan 10 11:07:41 Process: Importing EchoMail
+ Jan 10 11:07:41 Waiting for BUSY nodes
+ Jan 10 11:07:41 Importing 10180736.PKT (2:221/1.2 to 1:229/664)
+ Jan 10 11:07:41 Netmail from Tommi Koivula (2:221/1.2) to Jay Harris (1:229/664)
+ Jan 10 11:07:41 Results: 0 echo, 1 net, 0 dupes, 0 tossed in 0.09s

Interesting. So, why was it failing when I did the same thing before that?
Did you tweak something in the meantime?

Maybe we can get Martin Foster to send a test a crash netmail too.

Or.. I could assign myself a temp address like 1:999/9999 (or one of the temporary ones in the nodelist) and send you a packet to investigate?
--- SBBSecho 3.12-Linux
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757.2)

On 11 Jan 2021, August Abolins said the following...

Interesting. So, why was it failing when I did the same thing before that? Did you tweak something in the meantime?

I'm not sure why Tommi's worked and yours doesn't. I've not changed anything on my end.

Maybe we can get Martin Foster to send a test a crash netmail too.

Yup, if Martin wants to send one my way, I'll certainly check to see if I get it.

Or.. I could assign myself a temp address like 1:999/9999 (or one of the temporary ones in the nodelist) and send you a packet to investigate?

That works as well. That may help determine whether it's OpenXP in general or maybe just your OpenXP? I'm really at a loss as to whats happening.


Jay

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/05 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms (1:229/664)

Hello August!

*** Monday 11.01.21 at 10:38, August Abolins wrote to Jay Harris:

[snip]

Maybe we can get Martin Foster to send a test a crash netmail too.

Test crash netmail sent at 09:54(UTC) :)

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

On 12 Jan 2021, Martin Foster said the following...

Test crash netmail sent at 09:54(UTC) :)

No dice:

+ Jan 12 04:54:50 Process: Importing EchoMail
+ Jan 12 04:54:50 Waiting for BUSY nodes
+ Jan 12 04:54:50 Importing 12095445.PKT (2:310/31.3 to 1:229/664)
! Jan 12 04:54:50 No echomail node configured for 2:310/31.3
! Jan 12 04:54:51 Moving /home/pi/mystic/echomail/in/unsecure/12095445.PKT to /home/pi/mystic/echomail/bad/12095445.PKT
+ Jan 12 04:54:51 Results: 0 echo, 0 net, 0 dupes, 0 tossed in 0.64s


pktview V1.1, Copyright WvV 1998, 2016

Dest. Node addr: 1:229/664.0
Orig. Node addr: 2:310/31.3
QDest Zone : 1
QOrig Zone : 2
Aux Net : 0
Date : 2021/01/12
Time : 00:00:00
Baud : 0
Pkt Type : 2
ProdCode : 233
Revision Major : 3
Revision Minor : 20
Password : (hidden) <-- There is one set & visible
Capability Word: 0001
Capability Val.: 0001
Product data : 00000000

Date Time To From Subject Area ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12 Jan 21 09:54:00 Jay Harris Martin Foster Test shot

1 messages in this .pkt file.


Jay

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/01/05 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms (1:229/664)

Hello Jay!

*** Tuesday 12.01.21 at 09:36, Jay Harris wrote to Martin Foster:

Test crash netmail sent at 09:54(UTC) :)

No dice:

:(

I've sent another test shot with one of my other setups at 15:22(UTC) and
the packet should *not* contain a password.

[snip]

Password : (hidden) <-- There is one set & visible

Yeah well, OpenXP shouldn't be doing this but this matter is being investigated.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Greetings All!

Sunday December 27 2020 11:07, Martin Foster wrote to All:

OpenXP 5.0.48 has been released

Something that may have gone unnoticed is that *outgoing* mail packets(*.pkt) are now backed up in the \SPOOL directory. Echomail and *routed* netmail packets are backed up in the appropriate sub-directory and will be automatically deleted in due course, whereas *crash* netmail packets will be backed up in the *root* of the \SPOOL directory and will *not* be automatically deleted.

Regards,
Martin

--- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:250/1.333)

Hello August!

*** Friday 08.01.21 at 16:21, August Abolins wrote to Tommi Koivula:

Thanks, I got both this and the direct netmail.

Good! So it seems that there is something wrong with OpenXP... Well, it
is a _point_ software. Points should send all mail via their boss.

It's point software with perks, like not discriminating with
other systems by mishandling established session pwds, it seems.

:(

Will have to report that situation.

Fixed in the next release.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: OpenXP-Team (2:310/31.3)

Greetings All!

*** Friday 15.01.21 at 11:10, Martin Foster wrote to All:

OpenXP 5.0.48 has been released

Something that may have gone unnoticed is that *outgoing* mail packets(*.pkt) are now backed up in the \SPOOL directory. Echomail and *routed* netmail packets are backed up in the appropriate sub-directory and will be automatically deleted in due course, whereas *crash* netmail packets will be backed up in the *root* of the \SPOOL directory and will *not* be automatically deleted.

Update .....

All .REQ files will also be backed up in the root of the \SPOOL directory
but will *not* be automatically deleted.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.48
* Origin: OpenXP-Team (2:310/31.3)