I think it is a good idea to re-state my original problem.

I could not proceed in my installation of openxp until I did something to get past the archivers.

Using any of them to proceed did not work.

Someone suggested how I could get around compression and that did work.

But my Boss Node uses compression and I have bothered him enough with asking for previous install advice.

The fact Winpoint worked right out of the box was a real blessing.

I am excited at the prospect of using OpenXP.

I will try 7zip on my system.

If I have to rebuild my system then that means backing up a whole bunch of crap.[

Alan

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Hello Alan!

*** Thursday 23.04.20 at 07:51, Alan Beck wrote to ALL:

I think it is a good idea to re-state my original problem.

Yes, I think it is :)

I could not proceed in my installation of openxp until I did
something to get past the archivers.

Using any of them to proceed did not work.

Hmmm, I really can't imagine why you were having such problems ?

Someone suggested how I could get around compression and that did
work.

Excellent! :)

But my Boss Node uses compression and I have bothered him enough with asking for previous install advice.

Fair enough but can I assume that you are having problems with de- compression?

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.43
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

I can't really tell.

It does and exchange and I do get incoming packets but I think they just sit there.

Something is going out.

Again, I fear I have bothered him enough. Just glad I have my connection.

He is 1:1/1

enough said.

Fair enough but can I assume that you are having problems with de- compression?

Yes, very much so.

Alan

Regards, Martin

-+- OpenXP 5.0.43
@ ORIGINAL: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

--- WinPoint Beta 5 (359.1)
* Origin: WinPoint (1:229/426.36)

Hello Alan!

*** Friday 24.04.20 at 09:10, Alan Beck wrote to Martin Foster:

[snip]

Again, I fear I have bothered him enough. Just glad I have my connection.

He is 1:1/1

^
?

enough said.

Fair enough but can I assume that you are having problems with de-
compression?

Yes, very much so.

I really can't imagine why because it's so easy.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.43
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Martin,

On 25.04.20, you wrote to Alan Beck:

Again, I fear I have bothered him enough. Just glad I have my
connection.

He is 1:1/1

^ ?

I was getting that from the nodelist viewer too, but the name it was showing was Jon Justvig, Fidonews Editor. Totally strange.

MEANWHILE, I think I solved the Winpoint Optimization problem. It is related to the nodelist.

Apparently, Winpoint gets confused if it finds rogue NODELIST.### files in the NodelistDL directory. When I cleared out the old ones, including the diffs, and
freshened it up with a recent nodelist, the NL viewer (F9) showed the correct entries.


../|ug

--- WinPoint Beta 5 (359.1)
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Hello August!

*** Saturday 25.04.20 at 17:12, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

Again, I fear I have bothered him enough. Just glad I have my
connection.

He is 1:1/1

^ ?

I was getting that from the nodelist viewer too, but the name it was showing was Jon Justvig, Fidonews Editor. Totally strange.

Yeah but what I was questioning was that I didn't think there was such an address as 1:1/1

MEANWHILE, I think I solved the Winpoint Optimization problem. It is related to the nodelist.

Oh, OK.

Apparently, Winpoint gets confused if it finds rogue NODELIST.###
files in the NodelistDL directory.

Did you mean the DistribNL directory :)

When I cleared out the old ones, including the diffs, and freshened
it up with a recent nodelist, the NL viewer (F9) showed the correct entries.

'scuse me but there shouldn't be any "rogue" nodelist/nodediff files in
there anyway.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.43
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Martin,

On Friday 01.05.20, you wrote to August Abolins:

Did you mean the DistribNL directory :)

Yes.. I was thinking "the directory where the nodelists are dropped into".

When I cleared out the old ones, including the diffs, and freshened it
up with a recent nodelist, the NL viewer (F9) showed the correct
entries.

'scuse me but there shouldn't be any "rogue" nodelist/nodediff files in there anyway.

When I drop in the archived nodelists into the DistribNL, WinPoint magically unpacks them. The unpacked version continues to reside there. I had previous older "versions" of nodelists (and not necessarily in sequence) in there as well. But when I deleted the old ones, and recompiled the nodelist, the 1:1/1 entry disappeared.

WinPoint may be the better GUI-based point program compared to Apoint, but I'd rather prefer to take the smoother ride that OpenXP offers.


../|ug


--- WinPoint Beta 5 (359.1)
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Hello August!

*** Monday 04.05.20 at 09:56, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

When I drop in the archived nodelists into the DistribNL, WinPoint
magically unpacks them.

I've never seen that happen here ?

HUH? Of course you have.

See below .....

It's even documented, by you. ;)

Where?

While WinPoint is loaded and running, and I drag and drop a noldelist archive from the inbound directory to the DistribNL direcory, the NODELIST.Z## file is automatically replaced by its unpacked equivalent (and the original archive is gone).

..... I've just tried that and absolutely nothing happened.

WinPoint may be the better GUI-based point program compared to Apoint,

Yes, it's a much more aesthetically pleasing GUI but it's such a great
shame that all the bugs and issues will never be fixed. Perhaps someone
should waft $$$$$$'s under Tim's nose ;)

I don't know who might have these wafts of $$$$$$'s that you mention, especially at this covid/lockdown/stay-home time.

Perhaps there's a "money bags" lurking in a dark corner LOL!

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.43
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Martin!

** On Tuesday 05.05.20 - 20:35, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

When I drop in the archived nodelists into the DistribNL, WinPoint
magically unpacks them.

I've never seen that happen here ?

Winpoint needs to be running for that to work. You're messin' with my
mind. :/ Make sure you have Winpoint running, drop a nodelist.z## in
the \DistribNL folder and watch Winpoint change it from nodelist.z## to nodelist.###

It's even documented, by you. ;)

Where?

It was a brief confirmation in echomail. Despite my archive of msgs in POINTS, I can't seem to spot the specific exchange we had about it. I
just accepted Winpoint's auto-extraction of the nodelist as default, and moved on. But the bottom line was that the .Z## file had to be physically moved to the /DistribNL directory after a file-request.

Even if you don't have Winpoint running when you do the drag-drop, the
.Z## file will be automatically extracted the next time you launch
Winpoint. And, this is assuming you still have all the fields in Extras/ Options/Nodelists filled in - of course.

While WinPoint is loaded and running, and I drag and drop a noldelist
archive from the inbound directory to the DistribNL direcory, the
NODELIST.Z## file is automatically replaced by its unpacked equivalent
(and the original archive is gone).

..... I've just tried that and absolutely nothing happened.

:( See above.

I don't know who might have these wafts of $$$$$$'s that you
mention, especially at this covid/lockdown/stay-home time.

Perhaps there's a "money bags" lurking in a dark corner LOL!

How do we get their attention to crawl out of that dark corner. If I had
the $$$$$$'s, I'd be using it to cover actual bills at this time.


../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.43
* Origin: ----------Do Not Fold, Spindle or Mutilate.---------- (2:221/1.58)

Hello August!

*** Tuesday 05.05.20 at 21:53, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

When I drop in the archived nodelists into the DistribNL, WinPoint
magically unpacks them.

I've never seen that happen here ?

Winpoint needs to be running for that to work. You're messin' with my mind. :/ Make sure you have Winpoint running, drop a nodelist.z## in the \DistribNL folder and watch Winpoint change it from nodelist.z## to nodelist.###

I'm still watching and nothing's happened yet :)

It's even documented, by you. ;)

Where?

It was a brief confirmation in echomail. Despite my archive of msgs in POINTS, I can't seem to spot the specific exchange we had about it.

I've found one that's relevant to this thread but I don't know if it's the same one you had in mind. Try doing a MsgID search for 4c120309 with
OpenXP by cursoring over /FIDO/POINTS and then:

Message -> Search -> MessageID .....

ÚÄ Search MessageID ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ¿
³ ³
³ Search for 4c120309  ³
³ ³
³ Options Newsgr. ³
| |
³ [x] Find MID-Parts ³
³ ³ ÀÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÙ

See the very last sentence of my reply in that message.

If you can't find that message, let me know and I'll repost it.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.43
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Martin,

On Wednesday 06.05.20, you wrote to August Abolins:

Winpoint needs to be running for that to work. You're messin' with my
mind. :/ Make sure you have Winpoint running, drop a nodelist.z## in
the \DistribNL folder and watch Winpoint change it from nodelist.z## to
nodelist.###

I'm still watching and nothing's happened yet :)

Short of capturing on vidoe what I see, I don't know how to convince you that it *is* happening here.

Maybe your WinPoint is not activate to auto-unpack or something like that?

In Extras/Options/Automation, I have:

List updates = Automatic in Background

It was a brief confirmation in echomail. Despite my archive of msgs in
POINTS, I can't seem to spot the specific exchange we had about it.

I've found one that's relevant to this thread but I don't know if it's
the same one you had in mind. Try doing a MsgID search for 4c120309
with OpenXP...

[snip]

If you can't find that message, let me know and I'll repost it.

I found it, but not in my local OpenXP. For me, that Winpoint discussion predated my introduction to OXP, so I looked in my Winpoint. Thankfully, Winpoint automatically includes the msgid in its "text" searches!

In 4c1201309 the last sentence you wrote: "WinPoint's nodelist processor cannot
process packed nodelist/pointlist files, although it can process packed nodediff/pointdiff files."

I hear ya. But I swear to you, simply dropping the packed nodelist automatically unpacks here! I still have to Shift+Ctl+L or "Fidonet/ProcessNodelist" manually for the new nodelist to update, however.


../|ug

--- WinPoint Beta 5 (359.1)
* Origin: Please write your complaint in this box [ ] - Legibly (2:221/1.59)

Hello August!

*** Sunday 10.05.20 at 17:27, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

Winpoint needs to be running for that to work. You're messin' with my
mind. :/ Make sure you have Winpoint running, drop a nodelist.z## in
the \DistribNL folder and watch Winpoint change it from nodelist.z## to
nodelist.###

I'm still watching and nothing's happened yet :)

Short of capturing on vidoe what I see, I don't know how to convince you that it *is* happening here.

I'm merely trying to reproduce on my own system what's happening on your system but I can't.

Maybe your WinPoint is not activate to auto-unpack or something like
that?

In Extras/Options/Automation, I have:

List updates = Automatic in Background

Yep, same here.

It was a brief confirmation in echomail. Despite my archive of msgs in
POINTS, I can't seem to spot the specific exchange we had about it.

I've found one that's relevant to this thread but I don't know if it's
the same one you had in mind. Try doing a MsgID search for 4c120309
with OpenXP...

[snip]

If you can't find that message, let me know and I'll repost it.

I found it, but not in my local OpenXP. For me, that Winpoint discussion predated my introduction to OXP, so I looked in my Winpoint. Thankfully, Winpoint automatically includes the msgid in its "text" searches!

Oh, I didn't know WinPoint did that, thanks for the heads-up.

In 4c1201309 the last sentence you wrote: "WinPoint's nodelist processor cannot process packed nodelist/pointlist files, although it can process packed nodediff/pointdiff files."

I hear ya. But I swear to you, simply dropping the packed nodelist automatically unpacks here! I still have to Shift+Ctl+L or "Fidonet/ProcessNodelist" manually for the new nodelist to update, however.

Hmmm, well, there's obviously a difference somewhere between our setups
but what it is eludes me right now. Perhaps one day, one of us will find
it.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.43
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

On 11/05/2020 4:41 a.m., Martin Foster : August Abolins wrote:

In Extras/Options/Automation, I have:
List updates = Automatic in Background

Yep, same here.

[snip]

Hmmm, well, there's obviously a difference somewhere between our
setups but what it is eludes me right now. Perhaps one day, one
of us will find it.

The change from nodelist.Z## to nodelist.### happens really fast and without any
other visual clues that "processing" is going on.

I'll try to get this on video for you.


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--- TB(Stealth)/Win7
* Origin: nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland (2:221/360.0)

Hello August!

*** Monday 11.05.20 at 18:23, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

In Extras/Options/Automation, I have:
List updates = Automatic in Background

Yep, same here.

[snip]

Hmmm, well, there's obviously a difference somewhere between our
setups but what it is eludes me right now. Perhaps one day, one
of us will find it.

The change from nodelist.Z## to nodelist.### happens really fast and without any other visual clues that "processing" is going on.

I'll try to get this on video for you.

OkiDoki.

In the meantime, here's my Fido nodelist config .....

Extras -> Options -> Nodelists

Name: Fidonet
Nodelist: NODELIST
Nodediff: NODEDIFF
Archive: NODEDIFF.Z??

Note: NODELIST, NODEDIFF and NODEDIFF.Z?? all point to WinPoint's
DistribNL directory.

How does all that compare with your config?

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.43
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Martin,

On Wednesday 13.05.20, you wrote to August Abolins:

In the meantime, here's my Fido nodelist config .....

Extras -> Options -> Nodelists

Name: Fidonet
Nodelist: NODELIST
Nodediff: NODEDIFF
Archive: NODEDIFF.Z??

Note: NODELIST, NODEDIFF and NODEDIFF.Z?? all point to WinPoint's DistribNL directory.

How does all that compare with your config?

It's the same.

I really have to get that little video done for you!


../|ug

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