Hi All,

It looks to me that WinPoint, if it behaves is a good thing for me.

OpenXP got me stumped on the compressor/uncompressor, showing me pkzip is what is needed.

So no go for that one, I don't think I can get that these days.

WinPoint seems to have matured since the last time I used it.

the message editor seems to have expanded over the whole screen overnight. That
is odd.

It has an "Email" feel to it with a huge editor that fills the screen.

Alot different than Golded.

At first blush I like this. The last time I used this I had problems I could not fix. Mostly from not setting it up right in the first place.

This time I did and it gracefully set it's self up.

Just -----------zip------- poll and areas showed up.

Trying OpenXP is still a good idea.

What is the editor for OpenXP?

Cheers,

Alan

--- WinPoint Beta 5 (359.1)
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Hello Alan!

** On 21.04.20 - 06:32, Alan Beck wrote to all:

It looks to me that WinPoint, if it behaves is a good thing for me.

I used it for quite many months. I received wonderful help from this echo for it. See https://kolico.ca/fidonet/echos/points/ and check out the
CONS section for WinPoint. You may encounter those issues later on.

OpenXP got me stumped on the compressor/uncompressor, showing me pkzip is
what is needed.

You can find older pkunzip. I have unzip 5.52. But you don't need any compressor/uncompressor for OXP if you instruct your boss node to send you uncompressed pkts. Then, you only need to set Edit/Servers/Point/Edit to the following:

³ Upload packer <<leave blank>>
³ Download unpacker copy $DOWNFILE $PUFFER


Winpoint is truly a complete package with the many archiver/unarchiver formats integrated in the program.

the message editor seems to have expanded over the whole screen
overnight. That is odd. It has an "Email" feel to it with a huge
editor that fills the screen.

Note that the editor window can be rescaled and made any size you want. Winpoint is a fine experience if you like a truly windows gui work environment.

Trying OpenXP is still a good idea.
What is the editor for OpenXP?

It's built-in. I would not know how to describe "what" the editor is, but the editing commands borrow from Wordstar and traditional editors.

It took a little getting used to learning some of the editing commands:

ÉÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ»
º º
º <F7> and <F8> or with the left mouse click starts º
º and ends marking a text block. º
º º
º Moving the cursor while <Shift> is pressed marks º
º a text block, too. º
º º
º <Ctrl K><C> : Copy Block to Cursor position º
º <Ctrl K><V> : Move Block to Cursor position º
º <Ctrl K><Y> : Delete Block º
º <Ctrl K><W> : Write Block to File º
º <Ctrl K><R> : Import Block from File º
º <Ctrl K><U> : Import Block from File and UU-encode º
º <Ctrl K><O> : Encode Block Rot13 º
º <Ctrl K><S> : Toggle letter upper/lower case º
º <Ctrl Q><B> : Set Cursor at Block begin º
º <Ctrl Q><K> : Set Cursor at Block end º
º º
º Keys from the number keypad: º
º º
º * Copies marked block to clipboard º
º - Moves marked block to clipboard º
º + Insert clipboard contents at cursor position º
º º
º <Ctrl Ins> Copies marked block to clipboard º
º <Shift Ins> insert Clipboard at cursor position º
º <Shift Del> Moves marked block to clipboard º
º º
º The clipboard is independent of other block º
º operations. Under Windows, XP will use the Windows º
º clipboard. º
º º ÈÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍͼ

..but that HELP is readily available and all built-in by pressing F1
during an editing session.



../|ug

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Re: Winpoint
By: Alan Beck to all on Tue Apr 21 2020 06:32:29

OpenXP got me stumped on the compressor/uncompressor, showing me
pkzip is what is needed.

So no go for that one, I don't think I can get that these days.

one can easily acquire the FOSS zip/unzip tools for pretty much any platform these days... then it is a simple matter of fixing the command line so it works
as needed...


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Hmmmm,

Sound like a direction to go.

Alan

Re: Winpoint By: Alan Beck to all on Tue Apr 21 2020 06:32:29

OpenXP got me stumped on the compressor/uncompressor, showing me pkzip
is what is needed.

So no go for that one, I don't think I can get that these days.

one can easily acquire the FOSS zip/unzip tools for pretty much any platform these days... then it is a simple matter of fixing the command line so it works as needed...

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Hello Alan,

OpenXP got me stumped on the compressor/uncompressor, showing me pkzip
is what is needed.

I still have PKZ204G.EXE and PK250DOS.EXE here and a google search will find them I'm sure.

Info-Zip's zip and unzip are good also and available as 64bit if needed.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Alan!

*** Tuesday 21.04.20 at 06:32, Alan Beck wrote to all:

It looks to me that WinPoint, if it behaves is a good thing for me.

OpenXP got me stumped on the compressor/uncompressor, showing me pkzip is what is needed.

Yes, that's the default but it can be configured to use whatever packer/ unpacker you like.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.43
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello August!

*** Tuesday 21.04.20 at 09:42, August Abolins wrote to Alan Beck:

[snip]

Winpoint is truly a complete package with the many archiver/unarchiver formats integrated in the program.

Yes but :)

I once tried adding a packer/unpacker but, from memory, I was unable to
save the config.

the message editor seems to have expanded over the whole screen
overnight. That is odd. It has an "Email" feel to it with a huge
editor that fills the screen.

Note that the editor window can be rescaled and made any size you want.

Yes it can but unfortunately, the window size/position doesn't persist
across sessions, it always fires up maximized :(

Winpoint is a fine experience if you like a truly windows gui work environment.

Agreed.

Trying OpenXP is still a good idea.
What is the editor for OpenXP?

It's built-in.

The one thing I like about it above all else is that the line length can
be configured.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.43
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Martin!

** On 22.04.20 - 15:12, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

Winpoint is truly a complete package with the many archiver/unarchiver
formats integrated in the program.

Yes but :)

I once tried adding a packer/unpacker but, from memory, I was unable to
save the config.

I never played with that myself. But the 5 archivers listed in Extras/ Options/Archivers are already integrated into Winpoint. What more do we really need? <g>

BTW.. I just tried "Add"ing an entry and nothing happened. :(

Another one for the CONS column.

the message editor seems to have expanded over the whole screen
overnight. That is odd. It has an "Email" feel to it with a huge
editor that fills the screen.

Note that the editor window can be rescaled and made any size you want.

Yes it can but unfortunately, the window size/position doesn't persist
across sessions, it always fires up maximized :(

We already covered that in the CONS for Winpoint and a workaround was [*5]
in the footnotes.

Sadly, there is no persistence.

Trying OpenXP is still a good idea.
What is the editor for OpenXP?

It's built-in.

The one thing I like about it above all else is that the line length can
be configured.

Line length, as in the number of chars across? Where?

Can't we pretty much just resize the window to whatever we want?


../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.43
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Hello August!

*** Wednesday 22.04.20 at 21:06, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

Winpoint is truly a complete package with the many archiver/unarchiver
formats integrated in the program.

Yes but :)

I once tried adding a packer/unpacker but, from memory, I was unable to
save the config.

I never played with that myself. But the 5 archivers listed in Extras/ Options/Archivers are already integrated into Winpoint. What more do we really need? <g>

Nothing really :)

BTW.. I just tried "Add"ing an entry and nothing happened. :(

Yeah, I'd forgotten about that.

Another one for the CONS column.

Whatever :)

[snip]

Trying OpenXP is still a good idea.
What is the editor for OpenXP?

It's built-in.

The one thing I like about it above all else is that the line length can
be configured.

Line length, as in the number of chars across? Where?

Yes .....

Config -> Options -> Editor -> Right Margin

Whatever value you put in there determines the maximum number of
characters per line(default=74).

Can't we pretty much just resize the window to whatever we want?

AhBut :)
That adjusts the window size, it does nothing for the actual line length. Assuming the right margin is set to 74 in OpenXP and the window width is
set to 70, the line length will still be 74 because the text will wrap at
the window edge(column 70), IYSWIM :)

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.43
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Martin!

** On 23.04.20 - 11:31, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

The one thing I like about it above all else is that the line length
can be configured.

Line length, as in the number of chars across? Where?

Yes .....

Config -> Options -> Editor -> Right Margin

Whatever value you put in there determines the maximum number of
characters per line(default=74).

That's for OXP.

This thread was about Winpoint. We were discussing Winpoint's default full-screen effect of the editor. Then you mentioned the line length can
be modified. I assumed we were still on a Winpoint trajectory. :)

Can't we pretty much just resize the window to whatever we want?

(I was still talking about Winpoint above.)

AhBut :)
That adjusts the window size, it does nothing for the actual line length.
Assuming the right margin is set to 74 in OpenXP and the window width is
set to 70, the line length will still be 74 because the text will wrap at
the window edge(column 70), IYSWIM :)

(..but you are talking about OXP.) LOL

WRT OXP, yes... I like the many visual adjustments that can be made with
it.




../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.43
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Hello August!

*** Thursday 23.04.20 at 18:22, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

The one thing I like about it above all else is that the line length
can be configured.

Line length, as in the number of chars across? Where?

Yes .....

Config -> Options -> Editor -> Right Margin

Whatever value you put in there determines the maximum number of
characters per line(default=74).

That's for OXP.

This thread was about Winpoint. We were discussing Winpoint's default full-screen effect of the editor. Then you mentioned the line length can be modified. I assumed we were still on a Winpoint trajectory. :)

Oooops, I must have lost the plot, sorry <blush>.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.43
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Winpoint looks rather nice. Maybe I'll try and write a review on it.

... There will be a rain dance Friday night, weather permitting!

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