Hello All..

Micronet decided to throw in a curveball.

For a couple of weeks now, this was working fine:

Listfile=micronet.###
UpdateFile=micronet.###
UpdateArchive=micronet.z##
DelUpdate=J
DoDiff=N
Format=1
zone=618

In otherwords, my bossnode was delivering micronet.zip with
micronet.### inside.

The last two updates processed automatically quite fine.

But I *just* received MICRONET.Z92, with micronet.092 inside.

At first, I thought this would be the solution:

Listfile=micronet.###
UpdateFile=micronet.###
UpdateArchive=MICRONET.Z##
DelUpdate=J
DoDiff=N
Format=1
zone=618

But that did NOT work in the automatic mode. :( Automatic mode
would normally kick in the NEXT TIME OpenXP is lauched. I was a
bit surprised by that. FSXNET.Z## which operates the same way
has not problem at all upadating automatically. I wondered..
WHY doesn't the MICRONET.Z## file cooperating?

The last FSXNET.Z## contains:

Archive: FSXNET.Z92
Length Date Time Name
-------- ---- ---- ----
36459 04/01/21 09:15 FSXNET.092
-------- -------
36459 1 file


Looking inside MICRONET.Z##:

Archive: MICRONET.Z92
Micronet Information Network nodelist for
02 April 2021 (day 92). A friendly
and active international BBS mail network.
Info on how to join is in the nodelist.
Length Date Time Name
-------- ---- ---- ----
26735 04/02/21 13:35 micronet.092
165 04/02/21 13:47 file_id.diz
-------- -------
26900 2 files

SO.. the difference is that the latter has TWO files inside.

Could it be that the presence of file_id_diz is throwing off the
automatic processing to work as expected?

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Hello August!

*** Friday 02.04.21 at 18:18, August Abolins wrote to All:

Micronet decided to throw in a curveball.

For a couple of weeks now, this was working fine:

Listfile=micronet.###
UpdateFile=micronet.###
UpdateArchive=micronet.z##
DelUpdate=J
DoDiff=N
Format=1
zone=618

In otherwords, my bossnode was delivering micronet.zip with
micronet.### inside.

The last two updates processed automatically quite fine.

But I *just* received MICRONET.Z92, with micronet.092 inside.

At first, I thought this would be the solution:

Listfile=micronet.###
UpdateFile=micronet.###
UpdateArchive=MICRONET.Z##
DelUpdate=J
DoDiff=N
Format=1
zone=618

But that did NOT work in the automatic mode. :( Automatic mode
would normally kick in the NEXT TIME OpenXP is lauched. I was a
bit surprised by that. FSXNET.Z## which operates the same way
has not problem at all upadating automatically. I wondered..
WHY doesn't the MICRONET.Z## file cooperating?

The last FSXNET.Z## contains:

Archive: FSXNET.Z92
Length Date Time Name
-------- ---- ---- ----
36459 04/01/21 09:15 FSXNET.092
-------- -------
36459 1 file

Looking inside MICRONET.Z##:

Archive: MICRONET.Z92
Micronet Information Network nodelist for
02 April 2021 (day 92). A friendly
and active international BBS mail network.
Info on how to join is in the nodelist.
Length Date Time Name
-------- ---- ---- ----
26735 04/02/21 13:35 micronet.092
165 04/02/21 13:47 file_id.diz
-------- -------
26900 2 files

SO.. the difference is that the latter has TWO files inside.

Could it be that the presence of file_id_diz is throwing off the
automatic processing to work as expected?

Maybe, maybe not but I would say that micronet need to get their act
together with their filenaming convention for their nodelist files before anyone attempts to offer a solution to your problem. As things stand at
the moment, I couldn't even hazard a guess as to what the problem could
be, sorry.

Regards,
Martin

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Re: nodelist curveball
By: Martin Foster to August Abolins on Sun Apr 04 2021 11:33:00

Maybe, maybe not but I would say that micronet need to get their
act together with their filenaming convention for their nodelist
files before anyone attempts to offer a solution to your problem.

it should be noted that the micronet ZC's modem suffered from a lightning strike and they were down until a new mpdem was procured... during this time, the nodelist and ZC activities were transferred to the 2nd "in command"...
the two systems are different which explains the filename case differences as well as the appearance of the file_id.diz...

As things stand at the moment, I couldn't even hazard a guess as
to what the problem could be, sorry.

without knowing more about what the client software is doing, there's no way to even start to guess... from my side as an observer, i would say the software is simply being too strict and needs to lighten up a little ;)


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Hello Martin!

** On Sunday 04.04.21 - 11:33, you wrote to me:

The last FSXNET.Z## contains:
Looking inside MICRONET.Z##:

Maybe, maybe not but I would say that micronet need to get their act together with their filenaming convention for their nodelist files before anyone attempts to offer a solution to your problem. As things stand at the moment, I couldn't even hazard a guess as to what the problem could be, sorry.

The only difference between FSXNET.Z## working and MICRONET.Z##
not working is the presence of the 2nd file file_id.diz in the
latter.

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Hello mark lewis!

** On Sunday 04.04.21 - 10:57, you wrote to Martin Foster:

it should be noted that the micronet ZC's modem suffered from a lightning strike and they were down until a new mpdem was procured... during this time, the nodelist and ZC activities were transferred to the 2nd "in command"... the two systems are different which explains the filename
case differences as well as the appearance of the file_id.diz...

The temporary ZC activities is appreciated!

What modem replacement were you able to find? I have a modest
museum of old modems. I don't know what to do with them.

without knowing more about what the client software is doing, there's no way to even start to guess... from my side as an observer, i would say
the software is simply being too strict and needs to lighten up a little ;)

OR.. maybe ditch the inclusion of file_id_diz. No one else has
that in their distributed nodelists. ;)
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Re: nodelist curveball
By: August Abolins to mark lewis on Sun Apr 04 2021 12:31:00

it should be noted that the micronet ZC's modem suffered from a
lightning strike and they were down until a new mpdem was
procured... during this time, the nodelist and ZC activities
were transferred to the 2nd "in command"... the two systems are
different which explains the filename case differences as well
as the appearance of the file_id.diz...

The temporary ZC activities is appreciated!

i'm sure they (andrew leary) apprecite the sentiment... i'm not involved with micronet other than as an outside observer...

What modem replacement were you able to find? I have a modest
museum of old modems. I don't know what to do with them.

we're talking about an ISP modem... i know the story because sean is one of my links and he was keeping us updated... the ISP sent a zyxel...


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Hello mark!

What modem replacement were you able to find? I have a modest
museum of old modems. I don't know what to do with them.

we're talking about an ISP modem... i know the story because sean is one of my links and he was keeping us updated... the ISP sent a zyxel...

I realized "ISP" modem/router after I sent the message. I still
don't really think of the DSL or cable devices as modems when
the term modem is used all by itself in a sentence. For me,
when *just* saying "modem", it's the box that connects an anolog
POTS line to a computer. However, in context it would be
obvious that it could also be the dsl or cable or fibe variety.

However, I *do* have at least one old damaged "isp"/dsl modem to
the pile. I don't know why I haven't thrown that out yet.

I suppose your zyxel replacement was something provided under a
warranty or the rental program?

I have a dsl modem that has a broken port-forwarding function.
It's programmable, but the results don't follow through. I've
configured port-farwarding in a previous dsl modem so I know
what I should expect. But this darn replacement that the ISP
sent me several years ago does not cooperate.

I have wondered if it's a simple matter to hot-swap an existing
dsl/modem router with another one off-the-shelf. Many of the
config options scare me. It does not seem as simple as
configuring just a un and pw.

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Re: the ISP sent a zyxel...
By: August Abolins to mark lewis on Sun Apr 04 2021 16:23:00

I suppose your zyxel replacement was something provided under
a warranty or the rental program?

idk... i'm not the micronet ZC... his name is sean whereas mine is )\/(ark ;)

i have nothing to do with micronet other than being an outside observer...


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*** Quoting August Abolins from a message to Martin Foster ***

The only difference between FSXNET.Z## working and MICRONET.Z## not working is the presence of the 2nd file file_id.diz in the latter.

Do you get MICRONET.Z## files? I've only ever received MICRONET.ZIP files with a MICRONET.### (e.g. MICRONET.092) in it.

Jay

... What did the sushi say to the bee? Wasabee!

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Hello mark lewis!

** On Sunday 04.04.21 - 17:29, mark lewis wrote to August Abolins:

I suppose your zyxel replacement was something provided under
a warranty or the rental program?

idk... i'm not the micronet ZC... his name is sean whereas mine is
)\/(ark ;)

i have nothing to do with micronet other than being an outside
observer...

No problem. It sure sounded like you had the inside story to
the micronet problem though, and then I mistakenly carried on as
if you were involved with its operations.

"idk" - I had to look that one up! :D


--
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Hello Jay!

** On Sunday 04.04.21 - 21:20, you wrote:

The only difference between FSXNET.Z## working and MICRONET.Z## not
working is the presence of the 2nd file file_id.diz in the latter.

Do you get MICRONET.Z## files? I've only ever received MICRONET.ZIP
files with a MICRONET.### (e.g. MICRONET.092) in it.

To: /¯NETCALL (All)
From: August Abolins @ 2:221/1.58 (RBB, Ylojarvi)
Subject: Netcall to 618:510/1
Software: OpenXP/5.0.49 (Win32)
Date: Fr 02.04.21, 17:18
Size: 586 Bytes
---------------------------------------------------------
1 19 F1-Help
= 17:18:11 CONNECT
17:18:11 OPT CRAM-MD5-477f50a61dbfe5a1154e500afafb12ee
17:18:11 SYS Alterant MailHub
17:18:11 ZYZ Deon George
17:18:11 LOC Parkdale, VIC AU
17:18:11 NDL 115200,TCP,BINKP
17:18:11 TIME Sat, 3 Apr 2021 08:18:08 +1100
17:18:11 VER binkd/1.1a-111/Linux binkp/1.1
17:18:13 TRF 0 11743
17:18:13 OPT EXTCMD GZ BZ2
17:18:13 secure
* 17:18:13 Rcvd MICRONET.Z92, 9776b
* 17:18:13 Rcvd 13djv5a3.tic, 871b
* 17:18:13 Rcvd 674ec500.sa0, 1096b
= 17:18:14 hangup
- 17:18:14 exiting

Maybe it was just a one-of. I only seem to remember only
getting the lowercase micronet.zip with micronet.### inside.
Are you getting an uppercase version?

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Re: the ISP sent a zyxel...
By: August Abolins to mark lewis on Sun Apr 04 2021 22:34:00

i have nothing to do with micronet other than being an outside
observer...

No problem. It sure sounded like you had the inside story to
the micronet problem though,

i did... because the ZC shared it with me and others so we would know why their system was not able to be contacted for mail delivery...

and then I mistakenly carried on as if you were involved with
its operations.

yeah, it is ok :)

"idk" - I had to look that one up! :D

hehehe, i've been spending a lot of time with gamers and streamers... i'm tending to use more and more of their shorthand mnemonics like IDK, WDYM, ISWYD, and similar O:)


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Hello mark!

** On Monday 05.04.21 - 06:07, you wrote:

"idk" - I had to look that one up! :D

hehehe, i've been spending a lot of time with gamers and
streamers... i'm tending to use more and more of their
shorthand mnemonics like IDK, WDYM, ISWYD, and similar O:)

Those are new to me too. So.. is there a new generation of
these things now?
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Hi Ogg,

Looks like I receive an uppercase MICRONET.ZIP file (not .Z##) with a lowercase micronet.### inside of it:

=== begin binkd.log ===
- 02 Apr 20:00:00 [3500] receiving MININFO.ZIP (9440 byte(s), off 0)
+ 02 Apr 20:00:01 [3500] MININFO.ZIP -> c:\telegard\echomail\in\MININFO.ZIP
+ 02 Apr 20:00:01 [3500] rcvd: MININFO.ZIP (9440, 9440.00 CPS, 1:229/426@fidonet)
- 02 Apr 20:00:01 [3500] receiving MICRONET.ZIP (9513 byte(s), off 0)
+ 02 Apr 20:00:01 [3500] MICRONET.ZIP -> c:\telegard\echomail\in\MICRONET.ZIP
+ 02 Apr 20:00:01 [3500] rcvd: MICRONET.ZIP (9513, 9513.00 CPS, 1:229/426@fidonet)
=== end binkd.log ===


C:\TELEGARD\FILES\MIN_LIST>pkunzip -v MICRONET.ZIP
Searching ZIP: MICRONET.ZIP - Micronet Information Network nodelist for
2 April 2021 (day 92). A friendly
and active international BBS mail network.
Info on how to join is in the nodelist.

Length Method Size Ratio Date Time CRC-32 Attr Name
------ ------ ----- ----- ---- ---- -------- ---- ----
164 DeflatX 128 22% 04-02-21 04:05 d12ff4fd --- file_id.diz
25619 DeflatX 8967 65% 04-02-21 04:05 4c5f33e2 --- micronet.092
------ ------ --- -------
25783 9095 65% 2

Jay

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Hello Jay!

** On Monday 05.04.21 - 08:02, you wrote:

Looks like I receive an uppercase MICRONET.ZIP file (not .Z##) with a lowercase micronet.### inside of it:

Interesting.. so upper/lower naming is changed along the way?

I would get a LOWERCASE version:

= 20:06:59 CONNECT
20:06:59 OPT CRAM-MD5-5ae4b85048bdd0bce0ec630b94eb4dee
20:06:59 SYS Alterant MailHub
20:06:59 ZYZ Deon George
20:06:59 LOC Parkdale, VIC AU
20:06:59 NDL 115200,TCP,BINKP
20:06:59 TIME Sat, 3 Apr 2021 11:06:56 +1100
20:06:59 VER binkd/1.1a-111/Linux binkp/1.1
20:07:00 TRF 0 30242
20:07:00 OPT EXTCMD GZ BZ2
20:07:00 secure
* 20:07:01 Rcvd 67afcd00.sa0, 9403b
* 20:07:02 Rcvd micronet.zip, 9513b
* 20:07:02 Rcvd 13dkejy3.tic, 940b
* 20:07:02 Rcvd mininfo.zip, 9440b
* 20:07:02 Rcvd 13dkejy7.tic, 946b
= 20:07:03 hangup
- 20:07:03 exiting

And, lowercase ver is inside:

H:\DOWNLOADS\OpenXP\FILES>unzip -l micronet.zip
Archive: micronet.zip
Micronet Information Network nodelist for
2 April 2021 (day 92). A friendly
and active international BBS mail network.
Info on how to join is in the nodelist.
Length Date Time Name
-------- ---- ---- ----
164 04/02/21 05:05 file_id.diz
25619 04/02/21 05:05 micronet.092
-------- -------
25783 2 files


Aside from that, I think the "description" part may be throwing
OFF OpenXP's nodelist processor:


H:\DOWNLOADS\OpenXP\FILES>unzip -l micronet.zip
Archive: micronet.zip
Micronet Information Network nodelist for |
2 April 2021 (day 92). A friendly |<--THESE LINES?
and active international BBS mail network. |
Info on how to join is in the nodelist. |
Length Date Time Name
-------- ---- ---- ----
164 04/02/21 05:05 file_id.diz
25619 04/02/21 05:05 micronet.092
-------- -------
25783 2 files

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Re: shorthand mnemonics like IDK
By: August Abolins to mark lewis on Mon Apr 05 2021 07:47:00

"idk" - I had to look that one up! :D

hehehe, i've been spending a lot of time with gamers and
streamers... i'm tending to use more and more of their
shorthand mnemonics like IDK, WDYM, ISWYD, and similar O:)

Those are new to me too. So.. is there a new generation of
these things now?

i wouldn't call it a new generation... just more things are being shortened like we did 30 years ago...

IDK = I Don't Know (you already looked up)
WDYM = What Do You Mean
ISWYD = I See What You Did (There)
PFP = ProFile Picture (eg: noice PFP!)

mainly new common phrases for the most part... there are moar but i think urban dictionary and similar cover them better than i/we could here ;)


)\/(ark
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*** Quoting mark lewis from a message to August Abolins ***

Those are new to me too. So.. is there a new generation of these
things now?

mainly new common phrases for the most part... there are moar but i
think urban dictionary and similar cover them better than i/we could
here ;)

One that I learned not too long ago texting with my nephew was:

IKR which means "I Know Right?!"


Jay

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Hello mark!

mainly new common phrases for the most part... there are
moar but i think urban dictionary and similar cover them
better than i/we could here ;)

I wrote a reply to this in CHAT.


--
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Hello mark!

*** Sunday 04.04.21 at 10:57, mark lewis wrote to Martin Foster:

Re: nodelist curveball
By: Martin Foster to August Abolins on Sun Apr 04 2021 11:33:00

Maybe, maybe not but I would say that micronet need to get their
act together with their filenaming convention for their nodelist
files before anyone attempts to offer a solution to your problem.

it should be noted that the micronet ZC's modem suffered from a lightning strike and they were down until a new mpdem was procured... during this time, the nodelist and ZC activities were transferred to the 2nd "in command"... the two systems are different which explains the filename
case differences as well as the appearance of the file_id.diz...

OK, fine, thanks for the heads-up.

Regards,
Martin

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Re: shorthand mnemonics like IDK
By: August Abolins to mark lewis on Mon Apr 05 2021 18:24:00

mainly new common phrases for the most part... there are
moar but i think urban dictionary and similar cover them
better than i/we could here ;)

I wrote a reply to this in CHAT.

no clue what fido echo that is...


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Re: shorthand mnemonics like IDK
By: mark lewis to August Abolins on Tue Apr 06 2021 09:25 am

I wrote a reply to this in CHAT.

no clue what fido echo that is...

That's a long time fido echo although I don't know who the moderator is or if there is one and the area is not on the backbone.

You can connect here if you like.. :)

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello mark lewis!

** On Tuesday 06.04.21 - 09:25, mark lewis wrote to August Abolins:

I wrote a reply to this in CHAT.

no clue what fido echo that is...

Perhaps it is one you missed:

Echo Successfully Updated.

TAGname: CHAT Group: FIDO

TITLe: A general chat/discussion group.

Language: ENGLISH

DESCription:
This is a place to at least start to discuss anything; however,
if another echo exists on a specific topic the idea is to move
the discussion to the other echo especially if the topic sought
would be best served by the resources or userbase in the other echo.
.
This echo is also available for your smartphone/tablet with Telegram.
Simply make your request with Telegram to @aabolins.
Existing members on Telegram can add new members.
.
Please SIGN with your real name if requested.
.
RULES: Be civil.

RULEs: {Not Found}

MODerator: August Abolins, 2:221/1.58

RESTrictions: /REAL

DISTribution: Worldwide + Telegram

From: August Abolins, 2:221/1.58

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Re: shorthand mnemonics like IDK
By: Alan Ianson to mark lewis on Tue Apr 06 2021 06:41:44

I wrote a reply to this in CHAT.

no clue what fido echo that is...

That's a long time fido echo although I don't know who the moderator is or if there is one and the area is not on the backbone.

i don't see it in either of my backbone.na or backbone.no lists...


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Re: shorthand mnemonics like IDK
By: August Abolins to mark lewis on Tue Apr 06 2021 10:01:00

I wrote a reply to this in CHAT.

no clue what fido echo that is...

Perhaps it is one you missed:

actually, i do remember seeing that echolist update... the area is not on the backbone, though, so i just don't have it here... probably one of the ones that get send here by others and is just deleted because it is not in any
of my lists... oh well...


)\/(ark
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Re: shorthand mnemonics like IDK
By: mark lewis to Alan Ianson on Tue Apr 06 2021 10:13 am

i don't see it in either of my backbone.na or backbone.no lists...

Yes, I think it rolled out of both years ago. It is a fairly active area though.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Re: shorthand mnemonics like IDK
By: mark lewis to August Abolins on Tue Apr 06 2021 10:15 am

actually, i do remember seeing that echolist update...

Yes, it is August's area, I remember now!

the area is not on the backbone, though, so i just don't have it here... probably one of the ones that get send here by others and is just deleted because it is not in any of my lists... oh well...

I am not sure if August had asked the area be added to the backbone but I did request the MUSIC area be added a while back in the Z1_BACKBONE area but so far it has not been added.

How do we add areas to the backbone today?

Ttyl :-),
Al

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*** Quoting Alan Ianson from a message to mark lewis ***

I wrote a reply to this in CHAT.

no clue what fido echo that is...

That's a long time fido echo although I don't know who the moderator
is or if there is one and the area is not on the backbone.

You can connect here if you like.. :)

I'm connected to this echo via Nick but the last message I see in there is
Nov 2020.

Jay

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Re: Re: shorthand mnemonics like IDK
By: Jay Harris to Alan Ianson on Tue Apr 06 2021 12:16 pm

I'm connected to this echo via Nick but the last message I see in there is Nov 2020.

Something is broken there somewhere. There has been a few messages taday and yesterday as well as ...

Ttyl :-),
Al

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*** Quoting Alan Ianson from a message to mark lewis ***

... I have a dream... C:\ 999,999,999,999 Megs free!

That works out to...

999999TB (Terabytes)

-Or-

999PB (Petabytes)

-Or-

0.999EB (Exabytes)

So we still have to keep dreaming! LOL


Jay

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Re: Re: shorthand mnemonics like IDK
By: Jay Harris to Alan Ianson on Tue Apr 06 2021 04:59 pm

... I have a dream... C:\ 999,999,999,999 Megs free!

That works out to...

999999TB (Terabytes)

-Or-

999PB (Petabytes)

-Or-

0.999EB (Exabytes)

So we still have to keep dreaming! LOL

Yep, that was my dream in the 90's and today.. it's still a dream!

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Alan Ianson!

** On Tuesday 06.04.21 - 07:45, Alan Ianson wrote to mark lewis:

actually, i do remember seeing that echolist update...

Yes, it is August's area, I remember now!

+1

I am not sure if August had asked the area be added to the backbone but I did request the MUSIC area be added a while back in the Z1_BACKBONE area but so far it has not been added.

I did, but the Z1_BACKBONE system/method seems to have died.

How do we add areas to the backbone today?

Let me know if you find out anything.

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Hello Jay!

** On Tuesday 06.04.21 - 12:16, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

I'm connected to this echo via Nick but the last message I see in there
is Nov 2020.

Something broke. Here are just a few back to the beginning of
March:

06.04 August Abolins All Case against another US intelligence offi
05.04 August Abolins mark lewis -shorthand mnemonics like IDK
05.04 August Abolins Wilfred van Velzen -sleet/hail, electric kWh usage
05.04 Wilfred van Velzen August Abolins Re: electric kWh usage
05.04 August Abolins Wilfred van Velzen -electric kWh usage
04.04 Wilfred van Velzen August Abolins Re: electric kWh usage
04.04 August Abolins Wilfred van Velzen -electric kWh usage
03.04 August Abolins All vaxx deaths in UK
03.04 August Abolins MeaTLoTioN -It was just a statement, for now. I gue
03.04 August Abolins MeaTLoTioN -Noted. But that is why I pre-pended "so
31.03 August Abolins All PayPal set to launch CRYPTO checkout
31.03 Wilfred van Velzen August Abolins Re: electric kWh usage
30.03 August Abolins All electric kWh usage
30.03 August Abolins Wilfred van Velzen -ook and gluk - banned
30.03 August Abolins All ook and gluk - banned
30.03 Wilfred van Velzen August Abolins Re: ook and gluk - banned
29.03 August Abolins All Kids? Kung-Fu booked CANNED for ?PASSIVE
27.03 August Abolins All BREATHING is a WEAPON?
27.03 August Abolins All I had a feeling that someone would consid
25.03 August Abolins All A ?nose only? Covid mask ? it?s not to be
25.03 Wilfred van Velzen All -Sales will start next Thursday?
25.03 Wilfred van Velzen August Abolins -That's why I asked, do sales start next
25.03 August Abolins Wilfred van Velzen -Isn't that just the stupidest thing? I
25.03 August Abolins All ...
25.03 Wilfred van Velzen August Abolins -Maybe you should look at the calendar...
25.03 August Abolins Wilfred van Velzen -I don't understand the next thurs refere
25.03 Wilfred van Velzen August Abolins -Sure! ?
25.03 August Abolins Wilfred van Velzen -According to the vid, they *already* exi
25.03 Wilfred van Velzen August Abolins -What else could it be? ?
25.03 August Abolins Wilfred van Velzen -nose-only covid mask = fake news? At the
24.03 August Abolins All nostalgia: postcards,stories +other
22.03 August Abolins All vaccine does not work for 5% of people
21.03 August Abolins Wilfred van Velzen -This is the result of keeping 60% of the
09.03 August Abolins All banned/challenged books
03.03 August Abolins Wilfred van Velzen -This is the result of keeping 60% of the
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Hello mark!

** On Tuesday 06.04.21 - 10:13, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

That's a long time fido echo although I don't know who the moderator is
or if there is one and the area is not on the backbone.

i don't see it in either of my backbone.na or backbone.no lists...

Janis has it though:


==============================================================
ECHOMAIL STATISTICS ==============================================================



Echomail Statistics
Last 7 days
By Janis Kracht, 1:261/38, janis@filegate.net


Unsorted: Sorted: Percent
======== ======= =======
[snip]
11 CHAT 8 ELIST 0.22 %

[snip]
1 BLUEWAVE 11 CHAT 0.31 %


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*** Quoting Alan Ianson from a message to Jay Harris ***

... I have a dream... C:\ 999,999,999,999 Megs free!

That works out to...
0.999EB (Exabytes)

So we still have to keep dreaming! LOL

Yep, that was my dream in the 90's and today.. it's still a dream!

I have a 20TB NAS downstairs with 6.8TB free, I'm not sure what I'd do with
a petabyte let alone an exabyte.


Jay

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*** Quoting August Abolins from a message to Alan Ianson ***

How do we add areas to the backbone today?

Let me know if you find out anything.

Yeah, ditto. When I (re)-added TG_SUPPORT to the ELIST it wasn't showing up on Agency, then it did, now it isn't again.

Jay

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Re: shorthand mnemonics like IDK
By: Alan Ianson to mark lewis on Tue Apr 06 2021 07:45:48

How do we add areas to the backbone today?

the same way as has always been done... post in the Z1 backbone echo a *copy* of the echolist reply with the proper subject line... that method hasn't changed in well over a decade... the only thing right now is that we don't
currently have an official admin person to handle the actual updates to the na/no lists and there's been no discussion of such between the stars...


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Re: shorthand mnemonics like IDK
By: August Abolins to mark lewis on Tue Apr 06 2021 18:09:00

i don't see it in either of my backbone.na or backbone.no lists...

Janis has it though:

that doesn't mean it is on the backbone, though... remember, the backbone.na and backbone.no lists of echo files are what determines if an echo is on the backbone or not...


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Hello mark!

*** Tuesday 06.04.21 at 10:13, mark lewis wrote to Alan Ianson:

Re: shorthand mnemonics like IDK
By: Alan Ianson to mark lewis on Tue Apr 06 2021 06:41:44

I wrote a reply to this in CHAT.

no clue what fido echo that is...

That's a long time fido echo although I don't know who the moderator is
or if there is one and the area is not on the backbone.

i don't see it in either of my backbone.na or backbone.no lists...

It's listed in ELIST.NA, if that's of any use.

Regards,
Martin

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Hello Jay Harris!

** On Tuesday 06.04.21 - 21:45, Jay Harris wrote to Alan Ianson:

... I have a dream... C:\ 999,999,999,999 Megs free! Yep,
that was my dream in the 90's and today.. it's still a
dream!

I have a 20TB NAS downstairs with 6.8TB free, I'm not sure
what I'd do with a petabyte let alone an exabyte.

Wow. Hard to let go of stuff even when it's digital, eh?

The files act as memories though, don't they? Hard to let go of
a file when it "brings back" a memory of it and the story behind
it.

It's much like that with books for me. I don't necessarily want
to get rid of a book, even though I've read it. I want to be
able to look at the book and recall the times and circumstances
around it.

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Hello mark lewis!

** On Wednesday 07.04.21 - 06:32, mark lewis wrote to August Abolins:

Janis has it though:

that doesn't mean it is on the backbone, though...
remember, the backbone.na and backbone.no lists of echo
files are what determines if an echo is on the backbone or
not...

Ok. But the new elist guy isn't distributing the those like
Ben Ritchey did.

I just noticed that Vince (new Elist guy) posted some
instructions in z1_backbone on how to accomplish a backbone
listing.

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*** Quoting August Abolins from a message to Jay Harris ***

I have a 20TB NAS downstairs with 6.8TB free, I'm not sure what I'd
do with a petabyte let alone an exabyte.

Wow. Hard to let go of stuff even when it's digital, eh?

A lot of is is ripped DVDs. Several years ago I just HAD to have every TV show I watch on DVD, which was awesome at the time, but then became a pain when you'd be done a disc and *gasp* now you have to get up and change a
disc.

Now they're all ripped and sitting there on the NAS so I can watch from the the Apple TV in the living room or on my laptop in my office when I'm working from home. I have everything from all seasons of Friends, Will & Grace, Star Trek: TNG, Voyager & Enterprise (just to name a few) on there to any movie I've ever bought ripped.

The next biggest amount of storage is laptop & PC backups. They automaticly backup there over the network and keep a few versions in case you want to
roll back to a certain point in time. My Telegard backup is only 240MB so I keep a month at a time whereas my laptop backup is just under 100GB.


Jay

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Re: shorthand mnemonics like IDK
By: Martin Foster to mark lewis on Wed Apr 07 2021 13:13:00

i don't see it in either of my backbone.na or backbone.no lists...

It's listed in ELIST.NA, if that's of any use.

yeah, that's from the echolist... nothing to do with the backbone but the backbone does use the echolist for certain things...


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Re: shorthand mnemonics like IDK
By: August Abolins to mark lewis on Wed Apr 07 2021 09:49:00

that doesn't mean it is on the backbone, though...
remember, the backbone.na and backbone.no lists of echo
files are what determines if an echo is on the backbone or
not...

Ok. But the new elist guy isn't distributing the those
like Ben Ritchey did.

ben was wearing two separate and distinct hats... one for the echolist and one for the backbone... i suspct he also tried to combine some things but none of it was ever discussed with the backbone stars...

I just noticed that Vince (new Elist guy) posted some
instructions in z1_backbone on how to accomplish a backbone
listing.

i've not seen it yet... i'll take a look...


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Re: shorthand mnemonics like IDK
By: mark lewis to Alan Ianson on Wed Apr 07 2021 06:31 am

the same way as has always been done... post in the Z1 backbone echo a *copy* of the echolist reply with the proper subject line... that method hasn't changed in well over a decade... the only thing right now is that we don't currently have an official admin person to handle the actual updates to the na/no lists and there's been no discussion of such between the stars...

If the backbone hubs want someone from the outside you could pass my name around, I wouldn't mind helping out.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Jay!

** On Wednesday 07.04.21 - 12:31, you wrote wrote to me:

Wow. Hard to let go of stuff even when it's digital, eh?

A lot of is is ripped DVDs. Several years ago I just HAD to have every
TV show I watch on DVD, which was awesome at the time, but then..

I am working on a reply. Will post it to CHAT echo.

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Hello mark lewis!

** On Wednesday 07.04.21 - 13:02, mark lewis wrote to Martin Foster:

i don't see it in either of my backbone.na or backbone.no lists...

It's listed in ELIST.NA, if that's of any use.

yeah, that's from the echolist... nothing to do with the
backbone but the backbone does use the echolist for certain
things...

K. I understand backbone.NA/NO to be a North American + Z1
thing. Noted. So, the ELIST is a kind of global list, and
backbone is Z1 only.



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Hello mark!

** On Wednesday 07.04.21 - 13:20, you wrote to me:

ben was wearing two separate and distinct hats... one for
the echolist and one for the backbone... i suspct he also
tried to combine some things but none of it was ever
discussed with the backbone stars...

AH. Noted.

I just noticed that Vince (new Elist guy) posted some
instructions in z1_backbone on how to accomplish a
backbone listing.

i've not seen it yet... i'll take a look...

I think he's referring to getting a listing in ELIST/echolist.
There is nothing in his docs about backbone.na. Considering
that Vince C is centred in Europe, it may not be surprising that
he is uninformed about the backbone.na/no system.




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*** Quoting August Abolins from a message to Jay Harris ***

I am working on a reply. Will post it to CHAT echo.

I don't get any new messages in there, last messages was in Nov 2020.

Jay

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*** Quoting August Abolins from a message to Jay Harris ***

I'm connected to this echo via Nick but the last message I see in there
is Nov 2020.

Something broke. Here are just a few back to the beginning of
March:

06.04 August Abolins All Case against another
US intelligence offi 05.04 August Abolins mark lewis
-shorthand mnemonics like IDK 05.04 August Abolins Wilfred van

Could you post some of the kludge lines for these messages?

I'd be interested in knowing there the break in the link is betwen point A
and 1:229/426 where I get my messages from.


Jay

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Hello Jay,

Could you post some of the kludge lines for these messages?

These are the seen bys I see here. Quite short..


SEEN+BY: 106/127 153/757 221/1 6 280/464 335/364 460/58 256 777 1124 5858 SEEN+BY: 4500/1 5054/30
@PATH: 460/256 58 221/6

I'd be interested in knowing there the break in the link is betwen
point A and 1:229/426 where I get my messages from.

I'm not sure where 229/426 is linked or why it's broken but you are welcome to link here if that would help.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Jay!

I am working on a reply. Will post it to CHAT echo.

I don't get any new messages in there, last messages was in Nov 2020.

Yes.. I read that you mentioned that before. Hopefully your
feed will re-supply it and then you can %rescan.


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*** Quoting August Abolins from a message to Jay Harris ***

Yes.. I read that you mentioned that before. Hopefully your feed
will re-supply it and then you can %rescan.

1:229/426 doesn't support %RESCAN either... :(

Jay

... I may not be totally perfect, but parts of me are excellent.
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Hello Jay!

Could you post some of the kludge lines for these messages?

I'd be interested in knowing there the break in the link is betwen point
A and 1:229/426 where I get my messages from.

Ideally, I think you would need some samples that have postings
in Z1. The only one originating from Z1 is this one in January:

EMP: /FIDO/CHAT
ABS: Charles Pierson@1:106/127
BET: Re: deaf and dumb
ROT: 2:221/1!106/127 221/6 1
MID: 1:106/127 a2c6f3b4
EDA: 20210127144500W-6
LEN: 1180
BEZ: 1:153/757.21@fidonet eccda8cf
MAILER: Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
X_C:
X-XP-NTP: 30
F-TO: August Abolins
U-TID: Mystic BBS 1.12 A46

..but I think Charles was getting his feed in Z2.


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