Anybody used this MX Linux distro for much of anything?

Been toying around with a few distros lately and this one has caught my
eye. It's another Debian-based with ties to AntiX and Mepis. Seems
pretty well done compared to others I've seen, and the real bonus is
that it doesn't use 'systemd'.

So just wondering if anyone has used it for a while, and what you may
think of it... Thanks for input.



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Re: MX Linux
By: Dan Clough to All on Thu Jul 22 2021 09:09 pm

Anybody used this MX Linux distro for much of anything?

Been toying around with a few distros lately and this one has caught my
eye. It's another Debian-based with ties to AntiX and Mepis. Seems
pretty well done compared to others I've seen, and the real bonus is
that it doesn't use 'systemd'.

So just wondering if anyone has used it for a while, and what you may
think of it... Thanks for input.

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I have some MX Linux DVDs that came with Linux Magazine and have used them as last resort / emergency installs for workstations at work.

I think it ships with systemd by default, though. I think it is just not enabled.

MX Linux is good for eye candy but I personally don't think it makes sense to install it if you have a Devuan DVD available. I think you don't gain much by moving from Debian/Devuan to MX Linux but you are placing yourself further downstream which is always problematic.

So well, it works more often than not, but it does not bring anything new to the table. You can do much worse than installing MX Linux, certainly.

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Hello Dan!

22 Jul 21 21:09, Dan Clough wrote to All:

So just wondering if anyone has used it for a while, and what you may think of it... Thanks for input.

I've installed it on a test system as it looks like a promising candidate for workstations. Didn't have much time to really test it so far, though.
Anyone having a URL where I could download some spare time (preferrably well compressed ;-)?


Regards,
Gerrit

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Hello Richard!

23 Jul 21 03:38, Richard Falken wrote to Dan Clough:

I think you don't gain
much by
moving from Debian/Devuan to MX Linux but you are placing yourself further
downstream which is always problematic.

Ah, well, if that was really true, no distribution derived from any other should be recommended. So in this is certainly not universally true.
Comparing with stock Debian, I like the additional system management tools and the more relaxed approach to software that Debian considers not free enough. I have better ways to spend my time than teaching Debian how to come up with the proper drivers for my wifi chipset, graphics card, zfs or whatever.


Regards,
Gerrit

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Richard Falken wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Anybody used this MX Linux distro for much of anything?

Been toying around with a few distros lately and this one has caught my
eye. It's another Debian-based with ties to AntiX and Mepis. Seems
pretty well done compared to others I've seen, and the real bonus is
that it doesn't use 'systemd'.

So just wondering if anyone has used it for a while, and what you may
think of it... Thanks for input.

I have some MX Linux DVDs that came with Linux Magazine and have
used them as last resort / emergency installs for workstations at
work.

I think it ships with systemd by default, though. I think it is
just not enabled.

I does ship/install with systemd, but as you said it is not enabled by default, and is not running. Close enough for me.

MX Linux is good for eye candy but I personally don't think it
makes sense to install it if you have a Devuan DVD available. I
think you don't gain much by moving from Debian/Devuan to MX
Linux but you are placing yourself further downstream which is
always problematic.

I have been a little less than impressed with Devuan. Not sure it's completely "finished" just yet. I'm not even normally a Debian user,
although I do like many things about it. As far as moving downstream... using that logic we should all be using Slackware. ;-) (which I am).

So well, it works more often than not, but it does not bring
anything new to the table. You can do much worse than installing
MX Linux, certainly.

Agreed. As I continue to get tired of waiting for Slackware to catch
up, I am just pondering some possible replacement options. In reality I
will probably never move off of Slack, but I like to think that I
could... ;-)



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Gerrit Kuehn wrote to Dan Clough <=-

So just wondering if anyone has used it for a while, and what you may think of it... Thanks for input.

I've installed it on a test system as it looks like a promising
candidate for workstations. Didn't have much time to really test
it so far, though.

Yes, I agree that it has real potential. I like some of the custom
"tools" / tweaks that they package with it.

Anyone having a URL where I could download
some spare time (preferrably well compressed ;-)?

Now *THAT* is something we could all use. I'll keep looking.



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Hello Dan!

23 Jul 21 07:50, Dan Clough wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

I've installed it on a test system as it looks like a promising
candidate for workstations. Didn't have much time to really test
it so far, though.

Yes, I agree that it has real potential. I like some of the custom "tools" / tweaks that they package with it.

You just got me to install it on another notebook to toy with it more. I have a couple of machines still running Sabayon (which has finally been discontinued two days ago - so I guess I need some kind of follow-up system rather sooner than later).


Regards,
Gerrit

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Gerrit Kuehn wrote to Dan Clough <=-

I've installed it on a test system as it looks like a promising
candidate for workstations. Didn't have much time to really test
it so far, though.

Yes, I agree that it has real potential. I like some of the custom "tools" / tweaks that they package with it.

You just got me to install it on another notebook to toy with it
more. I have a couple of machines still running Sabayon (which
has finally been discontinued two days ago - so I guess I need
some kind of follow-up system rather sooner than later).

Cool, let me know what you think of it after using it a bit. Thanks.



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Hello Dan!

23 Jul 21 21:07, Dan Clough wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

Cool, let me know what you think of it after using it a bit. Thanks.

I did some config stuff yesterday, mainly installing packages, creating users, setting up desktop etc. Everything went quite well so far. The repository management allows to use standard Debian packages as well as MX-provided things and flatpaks. I didn't really use the latter before, but it had stuff like discord and zoom available, so I didn't have to download and install these manually.
Maybe I'll hand over the system to my family and ask them all to check if they think this will be a good follow-up distro for our familiy's computers.


Regards,
Gerrit

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* Originally by: Gerrit Kuehn (2:240/12), 24 Jul 21 08:38.

Hello Dan!

24 Jul 21 08:38, Gerrit Kuehn wrote to Dan Clough:

The repository management allows to use standard Debian packages
as well as MX-provided things and flatpaks. I didn't really use the latter before, but it had stuff like discord and zoom available, so I didn't have to download and install these manually.

As a follow-up: We have several HP printers here, so installing hplip is the way to go. We have one old MFP among these that requires the additional hplip binary plugin to allow scanning over network (which is a very nice feature we rely on heavily). This plugin didn't install properly, but that's probably more HP's fault (hp-setup needs to install it). Actually, I have never been able to get it installed without any manual interaction on any system I tried (be it FreeBSD, Gentoo, Sabayon, MX or whatever). On the bright side, the "usual" tricks worked here, too, so I could just use the commandline to get everything going. Now I have both xsane and HP's simple scanner tool using the MFP scanner over the network.


Regards,
Gerrit

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Dan Clough wrote to Gerrit Kuehn <=-

Cool, let me know what you think of it after using it a bit. Thanks.

Is that a port of Devuan? I've been using Devuan with TrinityDesktop now for
a few years and have had good luck with it. The only downfall is upgrading it. Devuan itself is fine but Trinity often will choke. I have to restore my
live backup on a test machine, upgrade it there, then restore that machine
to my live machine. Not so efficient but effective.

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* Originally by: Gerrit Kuehn (2:240/12), 24 Jul 21 08:38.

Hello Dan!

24 Jul 21 08:38, Gerrit Kuehn wrote to Dan Clough:

As a follow-up: We have several HP printers here, so installing hplip
is the way to go. We have one old MFP among these that requires the
additional hplip binary plugin to allow scanning over network (which
is a very nice feature we rely on heavily). This plugin didn't
install properly, but that's probably more HP's fault (hp-setup needs
to install it). Actually, I have never been able to get it installed
without any manual interaction on any system I tried (be it FreeBSD,
Gentoo, Sabayon, MX or whatever). On the bright side, the "usual"
tricks worked here, too, so I could just use the commandline to get
everything going. Now I have both xsane and HP's simple scanner tool
using the MFP scanner over the network.


Regards,
Gerrit


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Gerrit Kuehn wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Cool, let me know what you think of it after using it a bit. Thanks.

I did some config stuff yesterday, mainly installing packages,
creating users, setting up desktop etc. Everything went quite
well so far. The repository management allows to use standard
Debian packages as well as MX-provided things and flatpaks. I
didn't really use the latter before, but it had stuff like
discord and zoom available, so I didn't have to download and
install these manually. Maybe I'll hand over the system to my
family and ask them all to check if they think this will be a
good follow-up distro for our familiy's computers.

Very nice, that all sounds quite promising. Thanks.



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Gerrit Kuehn wrote to Dan Clough <=-

The repository management allows to use standard Debian packages
as well as MX-provided things and flatpaks. I didn't really use the
latter before, but it had stuff like discord and zoom available, so I didn't have to download and install these manually.

As a follow-up: We have several HP printers here, so installing
hplip is the way to go. We have one old MFP among these that
requires the additional hplip binary plugin to allow scanning
over network (which is a very nice feature we rely on heavily).
This plugin didn't install properly, but that's probably more
HP's fault (hp-setup needs to install it). Actually, I have never
been able to get it installed without any manual interaction on
any system I tried (be it FreeBSD, Gentoo, Sabayon, MX or
whatever). On the bright side, the "usual" tricks worked here,
too, so I could just use the commandline to get everything going.
Now I have both xsane and HP's simple scanner tool using the MFP
scanner over the network.

Sweet. I also use an HP MFP over the network for scanning, but just do
it through the printer's "webscan" function via a browser. Works fine
for the simple scanning I do occasionally.

Sounds like another "+" in the MX column. ;-)



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Brian Rogers wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Cool, let me know what you think of it after using it a bit. Thanks.

Is that a port of Devuan? I've been using Devuan with
TrinityDesktop now for a few years and have had good luck with
it. The only downfall is upgrading it. Devuan itself is fine but
Trinity often will choke. I have to restore my live backup on a
test machine, upgrade it there, then restore that machine to my
live machine. Not so efficient but effective.

No, it's based on Debian, but not Devuan related. Affiliated with Antix
and Mepis also. It seems like a pretty solid distro to me, and has been
#1 on the Distrowatch "popularity list" (which is somewhat meaningless)
for quite a while now.

More info here: https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mx



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Hello Dan!

24 Jul 21 09:40, Dan Clough wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

Sweet. I also use an HP MFP over the network for scanning, but just
do
it through the printer's "webscan" function via a browser. Works
fine
for the simple scanning I do occasionally.

Yes, mine is old (an CM2320FXI), it doesn't support scanning via the webui.
Oh, and just in case I forgot to tell: we're XFCE users, so that's the version I'm talking about here (not KDE, fluxbox or what else they may offer).

Sounds like another "+" in the MX column. ;-)

For our use case, definitely yes. I'll ask the others what they think and need. My wife is a teacher and needs to be able to run some strange software for school. Discord will definitely make our son happy, but he also has a couple of other things the uses regularly. My parents and our daughter are usually fine when they can use scanner and printer, do email, webbrowsing and the occasional text document or spreadsheet.


Regards,
Gerrit

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Gerrit Kuehn wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Sweet. I also use an HP MFP over the network for scanning, but just
do it through the printer's "webscan" function via a browser. Works
fine for the simple scanning I do occasionally.

Yes, mine is old (an CM2320FXI), it doesn't support scanning via
the webui. Oh, and just in case I forgot to tell: we're XFCE
users, so that's the version I'm talking about here (not KDE,
fluxbox or what else they may offer).

Ahhh, OK. Yes, I also use XFCE and dislike anything else after all
these years.

Sounds like another "+" in the MX column. ;-)

For our use case, definitely yes. I'll ask the others what they
think and need. My wife is a teacher and needs to be able to run
some strange software for school. Discord will definitely make
our son happy, but he also has a couple of other things the uses regularly. My parents and our daughter are usually fine when they
can use scanner and printer, do email, webbrowsing and the
occasional text document or spreadsheet.

Excellent. It is an excellent distro from what I've seen, and what
you're seeing. I'm a longtime Slackware user, and honestly can't see
myself switching away from it, but lately I've gotten a little fed up
with how it's going, and this distro (MX) is the only one I've found
that makes me even wonder if it's a possible replacement. I use it on a test/play laptop that I sometimes use while watching TV or something,
and am enjoying it quite a bit. Thanks for your feedback!



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Hello Dan;

Dan Clough wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

No, it's based on Debian, but not Devuan related. Affiliated with
Antix and Mepis also. It seems like a pretty solid distro to me, and
has been #1 on the Distrowatch "popularity list" (which is somewhat meaningless) for quite a while now.

More info here: https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mx

Cool, perhaps I'll give it a look. As a partner developer with Debian I'm interested in the various forks. I prefer Devuan as I'm not in favor of systemd.

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Brian Rogers wrote to Dan Clough <=-

No, it's based on Debian, but not Devuan related. Affiliated with
Antix and Mepis also. It seems like a pretty solid distro to me, and
has been #1 on the Distrowatch "popularity list" (which is somewhat meaningless) for quite a while now.

More info here: https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mx

Cool, perhaps I'll give it a look. As a partner developer with
Debian I'm interested in the various forks. I prefer Devuan as
I'm not in favor of systemd.

I think it's worth a look. Not sure if you saw earlier in the thread, I mentioned that MX doesn't use systemd by default. It's included, but
not enabled. That's getting to be a rare thing now, and matters to me,
as well. If you do check it out, your feedback would be appreciated!



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Hello Dan!

24 Jul 21 18:06, Dan Clough wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

Excellent. It is an excellent distro from what I've seen, and what you're seeing. I'm a longtime Slackware user, and honestly can't see myself switching away from it, but lately I've gotten a little fed up with how it's going, and this distro (MX) is the only one I've found
that makes me even wonder if it's a possible replacement.

Some of the first Linux systems I've used (just as a user, not as an admin) in the 1990ies were Slackware, too. A former colleague was a big fan of it back then. Other systems were running SUSE, Debian, Redhat, Caldera...
At some point they all drove me half-mad when it came to updates or when I wanted a specific version of some software. I switched to FreeBSD somewhen in the late 1990ies for many use cases (and stayed there till today). After doing that, I discovered Gentoo Linux soon after it came out, and since then I'm using it when I need Linux for some specific reason.
But I never got around to put up enough infrastructure to be able to run Gentoo on workstations properly (have my own binary package server and things like that), so I went for Sabayon there when it was available (mainly for having the convenience of an installer, binary package updates etc). Allowed me to build on much of the Gentoo stuff I already had.

Now that period appears to be over after another 15 years or so as Sabayon is going offline, and their follow-up product is not ready yet (I guess I should still give it a try, though).
So I've been installing stock Debian on a couple of systems over the last months to see how it works as a replacement, but I'm still at odds with it. It often feels like it goes long ways to keep me from having simple solutions for simple problems, but well...
Anyway, as a workstation OS, MX looks like it could solve most of the issues I usually have with Debian-based systems (and yes, not having to use systemd is definitely another plus).


Regards,
Gerrit

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Hello Dan!

22 Jul 2021 21:09, Dan Clough wrote to All:

the real bonus is
that it doesn't use 'systemd'.

so now you are ready to use gentoo ?, if i really need precompiled things i would precompile it self :)


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Hello Dan;

Dan Clough wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

I think it's worth a look. Not sure if you saw earlier in the thread,
I mentioned that MX doesn't use systemd by default. It's included, but not enabled. That's getting to be a rare thing now, and matters to me,
as well. If you do check it out, your feedback would be appreciated!

Yes I saw that. Devuan has the systemd libs available but is sysvinit.
That with TrinityDesktop (kde3 rewritten) is a decent system to use imho.

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Benny Pedersen wrote to Dan Clough <=-

the real bonus is
that it doesn't use 'systemd'.

so now you are ready to use gentoo ?

I have used gentoo a little, long ago. That's got nothing to do with
the topic at hand (systemd), though. Not sure why/how you arrived at
such a conclusion.

if i really need precompiled things i would precompile it self :)

Again, that "sentence" doesn't really make any sense, sorry.


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Brian Rogers wrote to Dan Clough <=-

I think it's worth a look. Not sure if you saw earlier in the thread,
I mentioned that MX doesn't use systemd by default. It's included, but not enabled. That's getting to be a rare thing now, and matters to me,
as well. If you do check it out, your feedback would be appreciated!

Yes I saw that. Devuan has the systemd libs available but is
sysvinit.

Yes, same with MX.

That with TrinityDesktop (kde3 rewritten) is a decent
system to use imho.

Assuming one likes KDE to begin with, perhaps. I can't stand it myself,
and have used XFCE for many years. I'd use Gnome before KDE... ;-)


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Hello Dan;

Assuming one likes KDE to begin with, perhaps. I can't stand it
myself, and have used XFCE for many years. I'd use Gnome before KDE...
;-)

I've never liked XFCE or Gnome. XFCE I find to be sloppy and Gnome is OK, I'm just not a fanatic of it. I can't stand any of the newer "plasma" desktops either.

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Re: Re: MX Linux
By: Brian Rogers to Dan Clough on Tue Jul 27 2021 08:16 pm

Hello Dan;

Assuming one likes KDE to begin with, perhaps. I can't stand it myself, and have used XFCE for many years. I'd use Gnome before KDE...
;-)

I've never liked XFCE or Gnome. XFCE I find to be sloppy and Gnome is OK, I'm just not a
fanatic of it. I can't stand any of the newer "plasma" desktops either.

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I just hate all of them. Anything more featureful than Fluxbox is bloat! And Fluxbox is
stepping on the line...

That said, XFCE works ok for workstations at $job because people seems to get them very quickly
and it is easy on the shabby computers we have.

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Hello Richard;

Richard Falken wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

I just hate all of them. Anything more featureful than Fluxbox is
bloat! And Fluxbox is stepping on the line...

I actually prefer NO desktop. Just give me terminal screens and I'm a happy camper, but for a desktop I do prefer the old KDE3 rewritten by the trinity team.

That said, XFCE works ok for workstations at $job because people seems
to get them very quickly and it is easy on the shabby computers we
have.

Trinity should work "OK" on those same machines, but NO desktop would be even better :)

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Richard Falken wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

That said, XFCE works ok for workstations at $job because people seems
to get them very quickly and it is easy on the shabby computers we
have.

That brings up an interesting thought - how much eye candy and UI bloat
is needed in a workplace? I need to be able to run a menu and run multiple programs, any WM would do that capably. Why not standardize on a simple WM?


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Brian Rogers wrote to Richard Falken <=-

I actually prefer NO desktop. Just give me terminal screens and I'm a happy camper, but for a desktop I do prefer the old KDE3 rewritten by
the trinity team.

I'm returning to the telnet/shell game, but I'm getting to appreciate a
shell window and tmux.


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Hello Kurt!

30 Jul 21, Kurt Weiske wrote to Richard Falken:

That brings up an interesting thought - how much eye candy and UI
bloat is needed in a workplace?

If you take a look on firefox's menu themes then there was/is a high demand for a customized individual design. If you can't work good then make it look good at least.

I need to be able to run a menu and run multiple programs, any WM
would do that capably. Why not standardize on a simple WM?

You can see the result on any smartphone GUI. "simple" doesn't stop at the workplace, there is a trend of function reduction in the casual world.

Could anyone check firefox for me? There was a button in the config to disable image downloads and view webpages in text only. I don't find it anymore...

Regards

Kai

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Hey Kurt;

Kurt Weiske wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

I'm returning to the telnet/shell game, but I'm getting to appreciate a shell window and tmux.

The nice thing about using shells or shell windows is that you can get a good feel for what's going on especially when something errors out or doesn't load properly and if things don't load/run properly there's strace and other tools you can use to figure out why. Often GUIs hide critical information one needs to fix their own system.

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Re: Re: MX Linux
By: Kurt Weiske to Richard Falken on Fri Jul 30 2021 07:08 am

Richard Falken wrote to Brian Rogers <=-

That said, XFCE works ok for workstations at $job because people seems to get them very quickly and it is easy on the shabby computers we have.

That brings up an interesting thought - how much eye candy and UI bloat is needed in a workplace? I need to be able to run a menu and run multiple programs, any WM would do that capably. Why not standardize on a simple WM?

... Centrifugal force reacts to the rotating frame of reference.

You cannot standarize on a simple WM because then you would loose marketing ground. A lot of people just sees the flash when deciding which IT solution to use. This is why I think it is great that Knoppix comes with LXDE and can have Compiz enabled. You can use compiz for demonstrations and getting the kids drooling over how cool the whole thing looks. Then whenh you need to do actual work you disable it and get a lean desktop that does nto get in your way.

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Hello Richard!

28 Jul 21 09:10, Richard Falken wrote to Brian Rogers:

That said, XFCE works ok for workstations at $job because people
seems to get them very quickly
and it is easy on the shabby computers we have.

That's about why I'm using it, too. And I have it on my personal desktops to be able to fix issues or explain how to use it to other people.
For my own use cases, something like icewm would probably be enough. Heck, even mwm might do it, I lived with it for years in the 1990ies.


Regards,
Gerrit

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Hello Gerrit!

05 Aug 2021 21:18, Gerrit Kuehn wrote to Richard Falken:

That said, XFCE works ok for workstations at $job because people
seems to get them very quickly and it is easy on the shabby computers we have.

That's about why I'm using it, too. And I have it on my personal
desktops to be able to fix issues or explain how to use it to other people. For my own use cases, something like icewm would probably be enough.
Heck, even mwm might do it, I lived with it for years in the 1990ies.

in future there would be just linux kernels with android apps on windows, office 365 for ever :)


Regards Benny

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Hey Benny!

in future there would be just linux kernels with android apps on
windows, office 365 for ever :)

-1

Keep the linux kernel and ditch the rest. That would have easily gotten you a +1 instead.

Life is good,
Maurice

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Hello Maurice!

05 Aug 2021 23:36, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

Keep the linux kernel and ditch the rest. That would have easily
gotten you a +1 instead.

i postted this servial years to late to make fun of it, i admit this, but following windows now that its more linux software in windows then what it had been before is atleast to see some hope that even windows users see the light of open precompiled softwere, sadly just without the sources :/


Regards Benny

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Hey Benny!

sadly just without the sources :/

Which makes it worthless other than the brief period the user gets suckered into believing it is the greatest thing going. That usually lasts until a new smartphone gets released and the old one starts acting up ... which may be exactly the same time.

It's an age old story.

Life is good,
Maurice

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Benny et al;

i postted this servial years to late to make fun of it, i admit this,
but following windows now that its more linux software in windows then what it had been before is atleast to see some hope that even windows users see the light of open precompiled softwere, sadly just without
the sources :/

Micro$oft will steal software it can't purchase, and rewrite it so that the masses of field consultants will always have issues to fix. This is part of their actual business model! Not how to conduct a -real- corporation. There will always be bugs in softwares as long as humans write them but to deliberately create bugs like M$ does is irresponsible. Now with their "365" clound "solutions" they can easily farm people's data for sales and to report to the U.S. government which they actually DO. I'm sure Windows folks must be quite pleased to pay for licenses to allow a software company to keep their data insecure.

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