Ogg Abo joined the group.


--- tg2fido.pl
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Hi Brother,

On 2020-08-17 18:34:08, you wrote to All:

@RealName: Stas Mishchenkov 2:460/58
Ogg Abo joined the group.

--- tg2fido.pl
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Does this mean this echo is gated now? ;-)


Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi, Wilfred!

17 ��� 20 17:51, Wilfred van Velzen -> Brother Rabbit:

@RealName: Stas Mishchenkov 2:460/58
Ogg Abo joined the group.

Does this mean this echo is gated now? ;-)

Yes. But it is private group. No spam, no new users without my will. If there is at least one complaint, I will leave it for my own reading only, or stop gating at all, if the will of the moderator.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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On 17/08/2020 11:51 a.m., Wilfred van Velzen : Brother Rabbit wrote:

@RealName: Stas Mishchenkov 2:460/58
Ogg Abo joined the group.

--- tg2fido.pl
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Does this mean this echo is gated now? ;-)

Hmmm. Looks like it!

But for the record, I did not request this for FUTURE4FIDO.

I thought that an independent (new) echo might be better, first.

But it seems to be a private group and therefore just 3 people so far.


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Hi, Wilfred!

17 ��� 20 17:51, Wilfred van Velzen -> Brother Rabbit:

@RealName: Stas Mishchenkov 2:460/58
Ogg Abo joined the group.

Does this mean this echo is gated now? ;-)

Yes. But it is private group. No spam, no new users without my will. If there is at least one complaint, I will leave it for my own reading only, or stop gating at all, if the will of the moderator.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

I see what you mean about the over-quoting. Thanks for demonstrating this for us. Now, we need some comments from smartphone users - that's the whole point of this.
--- tg2fido.pl
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Hi August,

On 2020-08-17 19:12:47, you wrote to me:

@RealName: Stas Mishchenkov 2:460/58
Ogg Abo joined the group.

--- tg2fido.pl
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Does this mean this echo is gated now? ;-)

Hmmm. Looks like it!

But for the record, I did not request this for FUTURE4FIDO.

I thought that an independent (new) echo might be better, first.

But it seems to be a private group and therefore just 3 people so far.

It's private alright, because I can't find it on telegram. ;)

Bye, Wilfred.

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--- tg2fido.pl
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Thanks! ?
--- tg2fido.pl
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Tommi Koivula (User name: koivula) joined the group.


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On 08-17-20 19:03, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Wilfred van Velzen <=-

Does this mean this echo is gated now? ;-)

Yes. But it is private group. No spam, no new users without my will. If there is at least one complaint, I will leave it for my own reading
only, or stop gating at all, if the will of the moderator.

How does one get access to the gate? I'd like to test it for myself. I am quite familiar with Telegram and use it regularly.


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On 08-17-20 19:15, Ogg Abo wrote to Stas Mishchenkov <=-

I see what you mean about the over-quoting. Thanks for demonstrating this for us. Now, we need some comments from smartphone users - that's the whole point of this.

If I can get access, I can play from my phone. :)


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On 08-17-20 19:15, Ogg Abo wrote to Stas Mishchenkov <=-

I see what you mean about the over-quoting. Thanks for demonstrating this for us. Now, we need some comments from smartphone users - that's the whole point of this.

If I can get access, I can play from my phone. :)

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Sure.. I can do that. But I need to find you on Telegram first.
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Hello Tony!

** On Tuesday 18.08.20 - 08:38, Tony Langdon wrote to Stas Mishchenkov:

How does one get access to the gate? I'd like to test it for myself.
I am quite familiar with Telegram and use it regularly.

What is your ID over there. If I can find you, then I can add you.





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On 08-18-20 02:19, August Abolins wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Sure.. I can do that. But I need to find you on Telegram first.

Hopefully you have enough information in netmail. :)

And I'll try your link.


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Hi, Tony!

18 ��� 20 08:38, Tony Langdon -> Stas Mishchenkov:

How does one get access to the gate? I'd like to test it for myself.
I am quite familiar with Telegram and use it regularly.

Now there are three Russian-language echo conferences and one English-language (this one) gated. A few more Russian-speaking echoes are gated exclusively for my personal use.
In Telegram, the FUTURE4FIDO group is private. Only its members can add to it if your user ID is in Telegram. Access from Fido to echo conferences of the same name is traditional.
Currently I am testing the ability to write private messages to telegram users using Fido netmail.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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On 08-18-20 11:42, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Now there are three Russian-language echo conferences and one English-language (this one) gated. A few more Russian-speaking echoes
are gated exclusively for my personal use.

Well, this is the only echo of interest among that group, since my Russian is nonexisant.

In Telegram, the FUTURE4FIDO group is private. Only its members can add
to it if your user ID is in Telegram. Access from Fido to echo
conferences of the same name is traditional.

Hopefully that will be sorted overnight (my time). :)

Currently I am testing the ability to write private messages to
telegram users using Fido netmail.

That would be neat too.


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Hi, Tony!

18 ��� 20 21:01, Tony Langdon -> Stas Mishchenkov:

Now there are three Russian-language echo conferences and one
English-language (this one) gated. A few more Russian-speaking echoes
are gated exclusively for my personal use.

Well, this is the only echo of interest among that group, since my Russian is nonexisant.

Any echo conference can be gated if the moderator is not against it.

Currently I am testing the ability to write private messages to
telegram users using Fido netmail.

That would be neat too.

I was already able to write myself a netmail to telegram. Now I am waiting for an answer from those to whom I have written, whether they have received messages.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hi, Tony!

18 ��� 20 21:01, Tony Langdon -> Stas Mishchenkov:

That would be neat too.

Now you can write private messages from Fido to Telegram. You only need to know the user ID of the addressee in order to substitute it in the field ToName. Each message through the gate contains the TGUZERID kludge and it can always be copied from there. If the gate does not know the user's telegram address in Fido, then a kludge to REPLAYTO will also be substituted, which will further facilitate writing a response with a netmail.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hello Stas!

** On Tuesday 18.08.20 - 14:52, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Tony Langdon:

Now you can write private messages from Fido to
Telegram. You only need to know the user ID of the
addressee in order to substitute it in the field
ToName. Each message through the gate contains the
TGUZERID kludge and it can always be copied from there.

Very cool. I will commence with such a test shortly.

If the gate does not know the user's telegram address
in Fido, then a kludge to REPLAYTO will also be
substituted, which will further facilitate writing a
response with a netmail.

I don't quite understand that part. Are you saying that
your gate keeps track of a Telegram's TGUZERID (which your
system no doubt creates and assigns) ..and if we just use
the NAME it will look up and compare it for a matching
(authorized) TGUZERID user?

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On 08-18-20 14:38, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

I was already able to write myself a netmail to telegram. Now I am
waiting for an answer from those to whom I have written, whether they
have received messages.

August tried to send ma some netmail, but I didn't receive them on Telegram.


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On 08-18-20 14:52, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Hi, Tony!

18 ��� 20 21:01, Tony Langdon -> Stas Mishchenkov:

That would be neat too.

Now you can write private messages from Fido to Telegram. You only
need to know the user ID of the addressee in order to substitute it in
the field ToName. Each message through the gate contains the TGUZERID kludge and it can always be copied from there. If the gate does not
know the user's telegram address in Fido, then a kludge to REPLAYTO
will also be substituted, which will further facilitate writing a
response with a netmail.

Those kludges are hard for me to access, as they don't seem to get sent to my offline reader. :/


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Hi, August!

18 ��� 20 19:52, August Abolins -> Stas Mishchenkov:

I don't quite understand that part. Are you saying that
your gate keeps track of a Telegram's TGUZERID (which your
system no doubt creates and assigns) ..and if we just use
the NAME it will look up and compare it for a matching
(authorized) TGUZERID user?

Not certainly in that way. Each user has a unique ID in Telegram. Yes, the gate can match it with the username, but it is not correct to identify ID by the name, since the name may not be unique, and the @username may be completely absent.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hi, August!

18 ��� 20 19:52, August Abolins -> Stas Mishchenkov:

Now you can write private messages from Fido to
Telegram. You only need to know the user ID of the
addressee in order to substitute it in the field
ToName. Each message through the gate contains the
TGUZERID kludge and it can always be copied from there.

Very cool. I will commence with such a test shortly.

As it turned out, the addressee must already have an open chat with the bot. The bot itself cannot initiate a chat.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hi, Tony!

19 ��� 20 13:28, Tony Langdon -> Stas Mishchenkov:

I was already able to write myself a netmail to telegram. Now I am
waiting for an answer from those to whom I have written, whether they
have received messages.

August tried to send ma some netmail, but I didn't receive them on Telegram.

I already know. Unfortunately, in order to receive a private message from a bot, you need to open a chat with it yourself. :(

Telegram's answer was: "Forbidden: bot can't initiate conversation with a user".

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hi, Tony!

19 ��� 20 13:28, Tony Langdon -> Stas Mishchenkov:

Those kludges are hard for me to access, as they don't seem to get
sent to my offline reader. :/

They must be sent. I suspect that some readers cannot show them.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hello Stas!

** On Wednesday 19.08.20 - 13:22, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to August Abolins:

As it turned out, the addressee must already have an open
chat with the bot. The bot itself cannot initiate a chat.

Thanks for that info. I don't remember how I made the
Fido2telebot identity show up in the first place. It is just
"there" now. I wondered how that originally happened because the
bot was NOT in my Contacts. I think somehow the bot initated
some kind of chat message first?

Anyway.. mystery solved. The netmail->telegram could be a handy
way to send a message like a reminder to one's self to get the
note or information on one's smartphone.



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Hello Stas!

** On Wednesday 19.08.20 - 13:13, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to August Abolins:

...and if we just use the NAME it will look up and compare
it for a matching (authorized) TGUZERID user?

Not certainly in that way. Each user has a unique ID in
Telegram. Yes, the gate can match it with the username, but
it is not correct to identify ID by the name, since the name
may not be unique, and the @username may be completely
absent.

Good thinking. I realized that when I adjusted my name on
Telegram to match what I use here. So.. if the name can change,
the netmail->telegram message by name could end up nowhere.


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Hi, August!

19 ��� 20 09:17, August Abolins -> Stas Mishchenkov:

Thanks for that info. I don't remember how I made the
Fido2telebot identity show up in the first place. It is just
"there" now. I wondered how that originally happened because the
bot was NOT in my Contacts.

Most likely you tried to write something to him before.

I think somehow the bot initated some kind of chat message first?

The bot itself cannot initiate a chat.

Anyway.. mystery solved. The netmail->telegram could be a handy
way to send a message like a reminder to one's self to get the
note or information on one's smartphone.

To my great regret, this does not work as I would like.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hi, August!

19 ��� 20 09:21, August Abolins -> Stas Mishchenkov:

Good thinking. I realized that when I adjusted my name on
Telegram to match what I use here. So.. if the name can change,
the netmail->telegram message by name could end up nowhere.

Quite right.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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On 19/08/2020 6:13 a.m., Stas Mishchenkov : August Abolins wrote:

..and if we just use
the NAME it will look up and compare it for a matching
(authorized) TGUZERID user?

Not certainly in that way. Each user has a unique ID in Telegram. Yes, the gate can match it with the username..

OH.. @username! That's different from what I thought. I thought the system looks up the full UN LN that arrives in the REPLYADDRESS.

Now that I created a @username for myself, I'll try it.

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On 08-19-20 14:00, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

I already know. Unfortunately, in order to receive a private message
from a bot, you need to open a chat with it yourself. :(

Hmm, OK. Suppose that protects one from spam bots.

Telegram's answer was: "Forbidden: bot can't initiate conversation with
a user".

Have nice nights.

Thanks for the heads up.


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On 08-19-20 14:03, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Hi, Tony!

19 ��� 20 13:28, Tony Langdon -> Stas Mishchenkov:

Those kludges are hard for me to access, as they don't seem to get
sent to my offline reader. :/

They must be sent. I suspect that some readers cannot show them.

Yeah, without inspecting the data files directly, I can't tell . :/


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On 08-19-20 17:29, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to August Abolins <=-

I think somehow the bot initated some kind of chat message first?

The bot itself cannot initiate a chat.

Interestingly, I opened a chat to the bot, and received the 2 netmails already waiting for me! Very clever. :)


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Hi, Tony!

20 ��� 20 14:39, Tony Langdon -> Stas Mishchenkov:

I think somehow the bot initated some kind of chat message first?

The bot itself cannot initiate a chat.

Interestingly, I opened a chat to the bot, and received the 2 netmails already waiting for me! Very clever. :)

This is only convenient when you are waiting for a netmail. However, if someone uses a telegram to read the echo, he may well open a chat with the gate bot in advance.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hi, August!

19 ��� 20 18:45, August Abolins -> Stas Mishchenkov:

--- Муж без жены - как дуб без дятла.

"A man without a wife is like an oak tree without a woodpecker."

HA!

Isn't it? ;)

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hi, Tony!

20 ��� 20 14:14, Tony Langdon -> Stas Mishchenkov:

I already know. Unfortunately, in order to receive a private message
from a bot, you need to open a chat with it yourself. :(

Hmm, OK. Suppose that protects one from spam bots.

Yes. Exactly. However, in our case it is not convenient.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Pasquale Monti (User name: pasquale_monti) joined the group.



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On 08-20-20 10:37, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Interestingly, I opened a chat to the bot, and received the 2 netmails already waiting for me! Very clever. :)

This is only convenient when you are waiting for a netmail. However, if someone uses a telegram to read the echo, he may well open a chat with
the gate bot in advance.

Well that should work as well, since there is an active chat with the bot open.


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On 08-20-20 10:42, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Hmm, OK. Suppose that protects one from spam bots.

Yes. Exactly. However, in our case it is not convenient.

Yeah, can't please everyone. ;)

I can understand why it's that way, I have seen spam bots on various chat networks, including Telegram, where they join quiet group chats and post spam.


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Hello Tony!

** On Thursday 20.08.20 - 14:39, Tony Langdon wrote to Stas Mishchenkov:

I think somehow the bot initated some kind of chat
message first?

The bot itself cannot initiate a chat.

Interestingly, I opened a chat to the bot, and received the
2 netmails already waiting for me! Very clever. :)

PMFJI, but were those the test messages from me? If so, it is
interesting that the bot "holds" the messages until the receiver
opens the chat with it. That's not too bad!

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Hello Tony!

** On Friday 21.08.20 - 08:33, Tony Langdon wrote to Stas Mishchenkov:

Hmm, OK. Suppose that protects one from spam bots.

Yes. Exactly. However, in our case it is not convenient.

I can understand why it's that way, I have seen spam bots on
various chat networks, including Telegram, where they join
quiet group chats and post spam.

WRT gated netmail, it turns out that the Fido2telebot bot waited
a little while until you figured out that you needed to open a
chat with it. That seems to be only slightly inconvenient.

But if both parties have Telegram accounts, there is not much
point in gating netmail.

However, if a Fido-only user were to want to reach a telegram-
only user, then they would have at least one public message in
the echo to give the Telegram recipient a heads up.

WRT groups, the private type (invitation only) on Telegram is
best for gating purposes. Sysops wouldn't want an influx of
anonymous posts.

Personally, I am liking this outreach thru Telegram. Even the
portable desktop version of Telegram is handy to take along for
use on any pc and still get a modest sense of messages pouring in
- and not have to worry about installing full fido software or
configuring nntp just to poke around a few echos.

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On 08-23-20 13:05, August Abolins wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Interestingly, I opened a chat to the bot, and received the
2 netmails already waiting for me! Very clever. :)

PMFJI, but were those the test messages from me? If so, it is
interesting that the bot "holds" the messages until the receiver
opens the chat with it. That's not too bad!

Yes, I was rather impressed with that. :)


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On 08-23-20 13:32, August Abolins wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

WRT gated netmail, it turns out that the Fido2telebot bot waited
a little while until you figured out that you needed to open a
chat with it. That seems to be only slightly inconvenient.

Yeah, only mildly so.

But if both parties have Telegram accounts, there is not much
point in gating netmail.

Assuming you are connected on Telegram! :D

However, if a Fido-only user were to want to reach a telegram-
only user, then they would have at least one public message in
the echo to give the Telegram recipient a heads up.

Yep

WRT groups, the private type (invitation only) on Telegram is
best for gating purposes. Sysops wouldn't want an influx of
anonymous posts.

Agree, that's the best option.

Personally, I am liking this outreach thru Telegram. Even the
portable desktop version of Telegram is handy to take along for
use on any pc and still get a modest sense of messages pouring in
- and not have to worry about installing full fido software or
configuring nntp just to poke around a few echos.

It's also quite usable from a phone, so an option that can actually be used on mobile devices. This definitely hads potential.


... I'm spending a year dead for tax purposes.
=== MultiMail/Win v0.51
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Hi, August!

23 ��� 20 13:05, August Abolins -> Tony Langdon:

PMFJI, but were those the test messages from me? If so, it is
interesting that the bot "holds" the messages until the receiver
opens the chat with it. That's not too bad!

Not certainly in that way. Messages are stored on my server and are sent after the recipient has opened the chat. In practice, they can be stored there for an unlimited time.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

--- ����� ���宣� �� ��ᮢ����, �� � ��襣� �� ࠧ���.
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Hi, August!

23 ��� 20 13:32, August Abolins -> Tony Langdon:

However, if a Fido-only user were to want to reach a telegram-
only user, then they would have at least one public message in
the echo to give the Telegram recipient a heads up.

And he still needs to find out from somewhere the userID of the Telegram user. Thus, the Fido user can write a private message only if there is at least one message from the Telegram user in Fido.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Jay Harris (User name: jayharris) joined the group.



--- tg2fido.pl
* Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)

Martin Foster (User name: eddiepop) joined the group.



--- tg2fido.pl
* Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)

Hi, Martin!

05 ᥭ 20 17:44, August Abolins -> All:

Martin Foster (User name: eddiepop) joined the group.

Welcome!

Have nice nights.
Brother Rabbit.

--- ��������� ���� ������ �����뢠�� ��쪨. ���㦭�� �� ������,�� ⮦� ��ࠢ�
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Answering a msg from Brother Rabbit:

Hi, Martin!

05 ᥭ 20 17:44, August Abolins -> All:

Martin Foster (User name: eddiepop) joined the group.

Welcome!

Have nice nights.
Brother Rabbit.

Thank you very much for the welcome and I hope this reply made it into the echo.

Regards,
Martin

--- tg2fido.pl
* Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)

Hi, Martin!

05 ᥭ 20 22:14, Martin Foster -> Brother Rabbit:

and I hope this reply made it into the echo.

Of course, this answer hit the echo. ;)

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

--- �� �� �� ����, ���騭 � ��ᥭ, ⠪ �yp���� � y�p��!
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Hello Stas!

*** Sunday 06.09.20 at 11:10, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Martin Foster:

and I hope this reply made it into the echo.

Of course, this answer hit the echo. ;)

Thanks for confirming that, much appreciated :)

Prepare yourself for questions 8-)

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.46
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hi, Martin!

06 ᥭ 20 11:53, Martin Foster -> Stas Mishchenkov:

Prepare yourself for questions 8-)

Feel free to ask questions. ;)

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

--- ����� ࠧ ��堩 ��� ��᫥����. ��⮬� �� ������� ⠪ � �㤥�.
* Origin: Lame Users Breeding. Simferopol, Crimea. (2:460/5858)

Hello Stas!

*** Sunday 06.09.20 at 14:52, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Martin Foster:

Prepare yourself for questions 8-)

Feel free to ask questions. ;)

The first one is already on its way, in fact, it may have already appeared
in the echo ;)

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.46
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hi, Martin!

06 ᥭ 20 12:57, Martin Foster -> Stas Mishchenkov:

The first one is already on its way, in fact, it may have already
appeared in the echo ;)

I hope I answered clearly. ;)

Have nice nights.
Brother Rabbit.

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Hello Brother!

*** Sunday 06.09.20 at 17:21, Brother Rabbit wrote to Martin Foster:

The first one is already on its way, in fact, it may have already
appeared in the echo ;)

I hope I answered clearly. ;)

Yes, indeed you did, thanks.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.46
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

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--- tg2fido.pl
* Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)

Richard Miles (User name: rmiles7721) joined the group.




--- tg2fido.pl
* Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)

Hello, August Abolins.
On 9/12/20 2:41 AM you wrote:

Richard Miles (User name: rmiles7721) joined the group.

Welcome Richard

--
Best regards!
Posted using Hotdoged on Android
--- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
* Origin: The Oasis, Houston, Texas, USA (2:240/1120.976)

Answering a msg from Charles Pierson:

Hello, August Abolins.
On 9/12/20 2:41 AM you wrote:

Richard Miles (User name: rmiles7721) joined the group.

Welcome Richard

--
Best regards!
Posted using Hotdoged on Android

--To: Richard Miles

I'm R)eplying and adding the --To: FN LN in the body of the message. Will this be addressed to Richard?


--- tg2fido.pl
* Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)

Answering a msg from Charles Pierson:

Hello, August Abolins.
On 9/12/20 2:41 AM you wrote:

Richard Miles (User name: rmiles7721) joined the group.

Welcome Richard

--
Best regards!
Posted using Hotdoged on Android

Thanks. Was just reading some of the older messages trying to get caught up.


--- tg2fido.pl
* Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)

Hello, August Abolins.
On 9/12/20 3:18 AM you wrote:

--To: Richard Miles I'm R)eplying and adding the --To: FN LN in
the body of the message. Will this be addressed to Richard?

Nope. Had my name as the To:

--
Best regards!
Posted using Hotdoged on Android
--- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
* Origin: The Oasis, Houston, Texas, USA (2:240/1120.976)

Hello, Richard Miles.
On 9/12/20 3:22 AM you wrote:

Thanks. Was just reading some of the older messages trying to get
caught up.

It's a bit of a mess right now. Small hiccup and some duplicate messages are coming around.

--
Best regards!
Posted using Hotdoged on Android
--- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
* Origin: The Oasis, Houston, Texas, USA (2:240/1120.976)

On 12 Sep 2020, August Abolins said the following...

--To: Richard Miles

I'm R)eplying and adding the --To: FN LN in the body of the message.
Will this be addressed to Richard?

Looks like you may have forgot the trailing --?

Jay

... What do you call and alligator in a vest? An investigator.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms (1:229/664)

Answering a msg from Jay Harris:

On 12 Sep 2020, August Abolins said the following...

--To: Richard Miles

I'm R)eplying and adding the --To: FN LN in the body of the message. Will this be addressed to Richard?

Looks like you may have forgot the trailing --?

Jay

... What do you call and alligator in a vest? An investigator.

Doh. Forgot the trailing --. Thanks. But I think this method may only work at the top of the message.


--- tg2fido.pl
* Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)

Hi, August!

12 ᥭ 20 05:04, August Abolins -> FN LN:

Doh. Forgot the trailing --. Thanks. But I think this method may
only work at the top of the message.

Yes. This must be the first line of the message.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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* Origin: Lame Users Breeding. Simferopol, Crimea. (2:460/5858)

Answering a msg from Charles Pierson:

Hello, August Abolins.
On 9/14/20 6:28 PM you wrote:

That is a good plan. Meanwhile, the web.telegram.org version on
my Blackberry needed an adjustment to NOT Send on CR. Now, I can produce the CR after the -- that is needed for your tags.

I noticed that option on the Android version. I just figured you had either checked that and it wasn't there.

There isn't a Telegram app for Blackberry?

--
Best regards!
Posted using Hotdoged on Android

The Blackberry can run the Android offering. It preps OK, and gives me the indications that it is willing to install. But I am a bit leery when the install process asks to accept access to the camera, photos, and my contacts. "DECLINE or ACCEPT". I can't pick and choose those categories separately. It's all or nothing. Maybe there is a way to disable particular aspects of the apps overreach into the rest of my device, but I haven't checked yet.


--- tg2fido.pl
* Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)

On 14/09/2020 1:16 p.m., August Abolins : Charles Pierson wrote:

Answering a msg from Charles Pierson:

Hello, August Abolins.
On 9/14/20 6:28 PM you wrote:

There isn't a Telegram app for Blackberry?

--
Best regards!
Posted using Hotdoged on Android

The Blackberry can run the Android offering. It preps OK...

[snip]

--- tg2fido.pl
* Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)

Weird.. the Subj reverted to "New User".


--

--- TB(Stealth)/Win7
* Origin: nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland (2:221/360.0)

Hello, August Abolins.
On 9/14/20 8:16 PM you wrote:

The Blackberry can run the Android offering. It preps OK, and
gives me the indications that it is willing to install. But I am
a bit leery when the install process asks to accept access to the
camera, photos, and my contacts. "DECLINE or ACCEPT". I can't
pick and choose those categories separately. It's all or nothing.
Maybe there is a way to disable particular aspects of the apps
overreach into the rest of my device, but I haven't checked yet.

You should be able to decline and still use the program. Primarily, those permissions are to allow you to post photos and invite contacts like Messenger or any other chat program. Of course any program could potentially exploit that. But then again, any program could potentially exploit anything by the fact of being on your device.

Check the Terms of service, etc And see how you feel.

--
Best regards!
Posted using Hotdoged on Android
--- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
* Origin: Houston, TX, USA (4:902/26.52)

This is "BOLDED". This is "underlined". This is "italic".
This is in "fixed spacing".
Looks good on the TgM side.

--Subj: alternative bold/underline/italic

The following word is bolded: *BOLD*
The following word is underlined: _underlined_
The following word is in italics: /italics/

The above is easier to do on a smartphone anyway.


--- tg2fido.pl
* Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)

Hello August!

*** Sunday 20.09.20 at 10:18, August Abolins wrote to August Abolins:

This is "BOLDED". This is "underlined". This is "italic".
This is in "fixed spacing".
Looks good on the TgM side.

--Subj: alternative bold/underline/italic

The following word is bolded: *BOLD*

In OpenXP and WinPoint, yes, this is BOLD.

The following word is underlined: _underlined_

In OpenXP, this is BOLD but in WinPoint, it's rendered "as is" but without the leading and trailing underscores.

The following word is in italics: /italics/

Neither OpenXP nor WinPoint render this as italic, it's rendered "as is".

Thanks for trying this :)

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.46
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello August!

*** Sunday 20.09.20 at 09:09, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

This is "BOLDED". This is "underlined". This is "italic".
This is in "fixed spacing".
Looks good on the TgM side.

--Subj: alternative bold/underline/italic

The following word is bolded: *BOLD*

In OpenXP and WinPoint, yes, this is BOLD.

In APoint this is also BOLD but the leading and trailing asterisks are
also shown.

The following word is underlined: _underlined_

In OpenXP, this is BOLD but in WinPoint, it's rendered "as is" but
without the leading and trailing underscores.

In APoint this IS underlined but the leading and trailing underscores are also shown.

The following word is in italics: /italics/

Neither OpenXP nor WinPoint render this as italic, it's rendered "as is".

In APoint, this IS italicised but the leading and trailing forward slashes are also shown.

Interesting, eh? ;)

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.46
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hi, August!

--Subj: alternative bold/underline/italic

--Subj: smth.--

The following word is bolded: *BOLD*
The following word is underlined: _underlined_
The following word is in italics: /italics/

The above is easier to do on a smartphone anyway.

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Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hi, August!

22 ᥭ 20 18:43, August -> Stas Mishchenkov:

This is a reply from TgM after having adjusted my Name config. How
will this one compute?

Not yet.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hello Stas!

** On Wednesday 23.09.20 - 08:59, Stas Mishchenkov wrote to August:

This is a reply from TgM after having adjusted my Name config. How
will this one compute?

Not yet.

I see that your TGUID kludge stays the same (per TgM account),
but there is really no way to maintain the full FN and LN if
the user on the TgM side never uses it.

My previous posts with FN = AA and FN = August, showed that.

I read that multiple IDs can be created per Telegram account,
but a separate phonenumber/registration is required?

The latter would work so that people could have an ID with FN
LN for fidonet echomail purposes if the echorules require it.


--
../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.46
* Origin: The future is not what it used to be. (2:221/1.58)

Hi, August!

23 ᥭ 20 08:37, August Abolins -> Stas Mishchenkov:

I see that your TGUID kludge stays the same (per TgM account),
but there is really no way to maintain the full FN and LN if
the user on the TgM side never uses it.

My previous posts with FN = AA and FN = August, showed that.

Enough realname kludge.

I read that multiple IDs can be created per Telegram account,
but a separate phonenumber/registration is required?

I don't know.

The latter would work so that people could have an ID with FN
LN for fidonet echomail purposes if the echorules require it.

I have not met such a requirement in echomail rules. Usually, you need to specify realname if the from field is an alias.
In addition, a very controversial question - what is considered a real name. For the Telegram user it is what is written in his profile.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Answering a msg from Stas Mishchenkov:

Hi, August!

23 ᥭ 20 08:37, August Abolins -> Stas Mishchenkov:

I see that your TGUID kludge stays the same (per TgM account),
but there is really no way to maintain the full FN and LN if
the user on the TgM side never uses it.

My previous posts with FN = AA and FN = August, showed that.

Enough realname kludge.

I read that multiple IDs can be created per Telegram account,
but a separate phonenumber/registration is required?

I don't know.

The latter would work so that people could have an ID with FN
LN for fidonet echomail purposes if the echorules require it.

I have not met such a requirement in echomail rules. Usually, you need to specify realname if the from field is an alias.
In addition, a very controversial question - what is considered a real name. For the Telegram user it is what is written in his profile.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

For the fidonet user the "real name" is also what's in their profile. Plenty of folks have posted on Fido over the years with a name that looked close enough to being real that nobody ever said anything.


--- tg2fido.pl
* Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)

Hi, Richard!

25 ᥭ 20 03:46, Richard Miles -> Stas Mishchenkov:

For the fidonet user the "real name" is also what's in their profile.

And we have a nodelist. The names indicated in it are real for us.

Plenty of folks have posted on Fido over the years with a name that
looked close enough to being real that nobody ever said anything.

[fido@localhost nodelist]$ grep 5858 ./nodelist.367 Pvt,5858,For_Technical_Perposes,Simferopol_Crimea,Brother_Rabbit,-Unpublished-, 300,MO


Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Answering a msg from Stas Mishchenkov:

Hi, Charles!

29 ᥭ 20 08:20, Charles Pierson -> Stas Mishchenkov:

I have noticed something different with your reply here.

I posted my message in Telegram.

Why do you think so?

= FUTURE4FIDO (2:460/5858) ====================================================
Msg : 769 of 771 Rcv
From : Charles Pierson 4:902/26.52 Mon 28 Sep 20 17:54
To : Stas Mishchenkov
Subj : Anything New?
===============================================================================
@MSGID: 4:902/26.52 87ddb337
@PID: Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
@TID: jNode/Android
@CHRS: CP866 2
Hello, Stas,

Anything new on the development front?

...

--
Best regards!
Posted using Hotdoged on Android
-+- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
+ Origin: Android device, Milky Way (4:902/26.52)
SEEN+BY: 460/58 777 1124 5858 467/888 5054/30
@PATH: 902/26 90/1 229/426 317/3 770/1 712/848 640/1384 460/58 >===============================================================================

Ordinarily, my NNTP feed would flag your reply as to me, but my
Points wouldn't. However, all 3 currently do. I have a new Webpoint address I haven't entirely set up yet, but I suspect it would as well.

Nothing is clear, but very interesting. ;)

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

Odd, I thought I did that from Telegram. No matter.
It is strange all my connections flagged the reply as to me though. It didn't happen before.


--- tg2fido.pl
* Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)

Hello Charles!

30 Sep 2020 08:14, Charles Pierson wrote to Stas Mishchenkov:

-+- tg2fido.pl

a homepage there ? or is it just a nice perl ?

+ Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)

more info on how to use it from the telegram side please :)


Regards Benny

... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

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Hello Benny!

** On Thursday 01.10.20 - 12:26, Benny Pedersen wrote to Charles Pierson:

-+- tg2fido.pl

a homepage there ? or is it just a nice perl ?

Stas of 2:460/5858 developed some code that adapts to the
public API and can gate echos into and out of the Telegram-
verse.

The idea is to make echomail accessible on a smartphone. Think
of it as an alternative to the HotdogEd or Aftershock methods.

+ Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)

more info on how to use it from the telegram side please :)

If you would like to give it shot on your smartphone, install
Telegram and send me a Telegram message to @aabolins. I'll hook
you up to the namesake FUTURE4FIDO "group" over there.

--
../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.46
* Origin: The future is not what it used to be. (2:221/1.58)

Uzz (User name: Uzz_BTC) joined the group.




--- tg2fido.pl
* Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)

Hi, Benny!

01 ��� 20 12:26, Benny Pedersen -> Charles Pierson:

-+- tg2fido.pl

a homepage there ?

Not yet. Most likely I will make a normal page on brorabbit.g0x.ru someday.

or is it just a nice perl ?

Jast a perl. #!/usr/bin/perl ;)

+ Origin: Telegram to fido gate by Stas Mishchenkov (2:460/58)

more info on how to use it from the telegram side please :)

Most telegram echo conferences are private groups. Any member of the group can add you there, for example, @brorabbit. ;)
To do this, you need to write him a personal message. For example, I will answer the netmail the fastest (2:460/58), and I can notice it in Telegram after a few days. Some groups are public. You can find them by searching and join them yourself.

CRIMEA.TALK
PVT.ZONA
HOBBIT.TEST
FIDONET.UNOFICIAL
FIDONET.ONLINE
RU.SEX.SIMVOL
FUTURE4FIDO
DOS
COFFEE_KLATSCH
DOOM
DOORGAMES
ESSNASA
FIDO_UTIL
MOVIES
TAGLINES
TUXPOWER
UUE.DEVOCHKI

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hi, August!

01 ��� 20 08:37, August Abolins -> Benny Pedersen:

Stas of 2:460/5858

August, I want to remind you that Stas lives at 2: 460/58. ;)
[fido@localhost ~]$ grep ,5858, ~/nodelist/nodelist.367 Pvt,5858,For_Technical_Perposes,Simferopol_Crimea,Brother_Rabbit,-Unpublished-, 300,MO

The idea is to make echomail accessible on a smartphone. Think
of it as an alternative to the HotdogEd or Aftershock methods.

Rather not as an alternative, but as an addition.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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