On 2019 Mar 21 21:07:34, you wrote to August Abolins:

On 19 Mar 2019, August Abolins said the following...

My systems were part of the empire from about 1993 to 2006. In

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I do not recall.

FWIW: http://nodehist.fidonet.org.ua/?name=August+Abolins

the above is via the available nodelists on that site... they have many in their library...

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NOTE: i've read august's post, now after writing the below but i'm going to leave it in place... i now know there was a terminology misunderstanding re: the term "empire"... in any case, some of the following may still be interesting to you and/or others...


On 2019 Mar 22 19:31:54, you wrote to me:

On 22 Mar 2019, mark lewis said the following...

My systems were part of the empire from about 1993 to 2006. In

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I do not recall.

FWIW: http://nodehist.fidonet.org.ua/?name=August+Abolins

Worked like a charm
it confirms what I have already said

actually it doesn't... one needs the old nodelists from that time to see what areas were covered... this listing only shows the address, name, location and dates...

no where do see August Abolins in the Empire_Net or in New York State which
is Net 267.

it is n267 now but it may not have been back then... there was some churn at times as new nets were created when existing nets got very large and were covering a lot more territory... new nets were created to break the area and numbers of systems into more managable pieces...

for example, in 1993's nodelist.274, the new jersey net, net107, included some new york systems... net260 was known as the empire state net and included some pennsylvania systems... net267 at that time was known as the adirondack net... step back to 1988 and net267 didn't even exist...

there were at least three years where august was listed in two different nets... i won't even point out the operator that was listed in net120, detroit michigan, with two systems... one of which was located in california but listed in net120 :) and let's not forget about region 12 which was only hawaii at one point :)

i'm not saying that you or august are wrong... only that further study is needed if one really wants to prove or dispute...

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On 2019 Mar 23 01:39:36, you wrote to Gregory Deyss:

FWIW: http://nodehist.fidonet.org.ua/?name=August+Abolins

Worked like a charm it confirms what I have already said no where do
see August Abolins in the Empire_Net or in New York State which is Net
267.

Oh.. my bad. I thought you were originally saying "empire" as a substitute
when referring to FidoNet.

that does make a bit of a difference :)

maybe too much star wars? :lol:

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Hello Bj”rn,

there was no such thing as "the web" until Tim Berners-Lee created the
first web browser...

You may want to read up on how ARPANET worked. It pre-dates the world wide web by decades.

As Al Gore once tried to explain ...

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Hello mark,

really??? you take this as an opportunity to wave the fidoweb dick in
folks' faces again??? deity, you take the cake!

I'm surprised that you even stoop to bad language

what bad language??

You wouldn't understand. It's a Swedish thing.

in your contempt

what contempt??

Like I said, you wouldn't understand ...

for the network distribution model that's been working perfectly well
ever since ARPANET. The web.

there was no such thing as "the web" until Tim Berners-Lee created the first
web browser...

Oh, don't be silly. Everybody knows Al Gore invented the internet.

But I never imagined that you should stay quiet when the mob starts
their attack on the JamNNTPd model, considering that you yourself have
been part of the Johan Billing project for many years.

i was part of that project, yes... i've not stayed quiet, either... i have,
however, been busy elsewhere...

Well, get busy. I have added the JamNNTPd echo.

I guess you don't give a shit,

really? if i didn't i would have said anything...

Nobody gives a shit. Except those who truly do give a shit.

but I'm really disappointed.

that's a personal problem, i guess...

I wouldn't know. Or want to know.

You've come a long way since we both were involved with the FrontDoor
project.

WOWOWOWOWOWOW! hahaha... that's too funny... much too funny... you didn't show up in the FD project's beta area until years after i had been invited to join... that was back when i was also a beta tester for RemoteAccess BBS
and FastEcho...

He had other things to do. As do we all.

And not in a direction that benefits our network. :(

i don't know what direction you are looking in but it is obviously not in the same direction as myself and many others have been looking and traveling in...

Sometimes a redirect can do you good.

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Hello Bob,

there was no such thing as "the web" until Tim Berners-Lee created

the

first web browser...

You may want to read up on how ARPANET worked. It pre-dates the

world wide

web by decades.

If you've not read Clifford Stoll's excellent book "The Cuckoo's Egg" you might want to track down a copy

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

--Lee

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On 15/03/2019 01:03, Lee Lofaso -> BOB ACKLEY wrote:

If you've not read Clifford Stoll's excellent book "The Cuckoo's Egg" you
might want to track down a copy

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

The egg.

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Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

The egg.

As in the first impregnated cell, of course.

Every modern, educated person, that has withstood the indoctrination from all the self-appointed ombudsmen to God, also known as priests -- remarkably enough never mentioned in either the Bible, the Koran, the Torah or any other of their sacred scriptures -- nowadays realize.

Creationism is dead. Long live evolutionism!

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Creationism is dead. Long live evolutionism!

Depends on how you define "creationism". And creationism is about the origins of the universe. Evolution only addresses the evolving of life on earth. So
the two are hardly antonymous.

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On 2019 Mar 13 04:55:18, you wrote to me:

there was no such thing as "the web" until Tim Berners-Lee created the
first web browser...

You may want to read up on how ARPANET worked. It pre-dates the world
wide web by decades.

i know exactly how ARPANET came to be... the fact still remains that "the web" didn't exist until TBL created the web browser...

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On 2019 Mar 10 19:46:52, you wrote to me:

yes, really...

So, what happens when you click on e.g. fidonews.eu?

click it where? how can you click on something in an 80x25 ASCII terminal???

What if you choose "Check it out anonymously"? Wouldn't that be your
very first choice if you were new to our network?

nope 'cause it wouldn't be being seen like you are assuming it would be...

Where's the catch-22 there?

completely forget that you know anything at all about fidonet... you don't have a clue what echomail or netmail is... no idea what a "mailer" or "tosser" are... now try to figure out how to join fidonet...

It seems like almost all of the remaining fidonet sysops, 95% or so,
seem to be what formerly was defined as point-ops, have forgotten that fidonet was originally a BBS-network:

you are ibcluding yourself in that count, right? especially with your "click this" and "click that" statements... there ain't no clicking anything in fidonet, man! hahahahaha...

"This document establishes the policy for sysops who are members of
the FidoNet organization of electronic bulletin board systems."

This is the very first sentence in our policy when scaled all the admin inceptions are off. An "Electronic bulletin board system" was, and of course still is, the same as a BBS. If you don't run a BBS, you are not entitled to be nodelisted in the BBS-network of fidonet.

Some of us still take this seriously,

really? yet you "click this" and "click that"... fidonet doesn't do "clicks" and "links"... fidonet is pure ASCII text... no links, animations, or pretty pictures...

a vast majority don't give a shit. And we can see the result, but the majority prefer to put a blind eye without regarding the negative
impact it has on our network.

hummm...

With only all the working BBSs nodelisted, and all the other,
glorified point systems connected to those few (50 or so?), it would
be a piece of cake to create a true, complete mesh of fidonet nodes.

really??? you take this as an opportunity to wave the fidoweb dick in folks' faces again??? deity, you take the cake!

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completely forget that you know anything at all about fidonet... you
don't have a clue what echomail or netmail is... no idea what a "mailer" or "tosser" are... now try to figure out how to join fidonet...

What person are you imagining here? It surely is nobody from the generation after ours. Someone's 90yo grandmother perhaps? No, we can probably rule her out as a new fidonet node operator...

Never ever underestimate the internet know-how of the new generations!


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On 2019 Mar 11 19:09:08, you wrote to me:

completely forget that you know anything at all about fidonet... you
don't have a clue what echomail or netmail is... no idea what a
"mailer" or "tosser" are... now try to figure out how to join
fidonet...

It seems like almost all of the remaining fidonet sysops, 95% or so,
seem to be what formerly was defined as point-ops, have forgotten
that fidonet was originally a BBS-network:

Not the case here as I am the NC for all of New York. Furthermore I do not
think this has ever been the case within the Empire_Net.

i think you meant to reply to BF instead of me ;)

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On 2019 Mar 12 12:09:12, you wrote to me:

really??? you take this as an opportunity to wave the fidoweb dick in
folks' faces again??? deity, you take the cake!

I'm surprised that you even stoop to bad language

what bad language??

in your contempt

what contempt??

for the network distribution model that's been working perfectly well
ever since ARPANET. The web.

there was no such thing as "the web" until Tim Berners-Lee created the first web browser...

But I never imagined that you should stay quiet when the mob starts
their attack on the JamNNTPd model, considering that you yourself have been part of the Johan Billing project for many years.

i was part of that project, yes... i've not stayed quiet, either... i have, however, been busy elsewhere...

I guess you don't give a shit,

really? if i didn't i would have said anything...

but I'm really disappointed.

that's a personal problem, i guess...

You've come a long way since we both were involved with the FrontDoor project.

WOWOWOWOWOWOW! hahaha... that's too funny... much too funny... you didn't show up in the FD project's beta area until years after i had been invited to join... that was back when i was also a beta tester for RemoteAccess BBS and FastEcho...

And not in a direction that benefits our network. :(

i don't know what direction you are looking in but it is obviously not in the same direction as myself and many others have been looking and traveling in...

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there was no such thing as "the web" until Tim Berners-Lee created the first web browser...

You may want to read up on how ARPANET worked. It pre-dates the world wide web by decades.



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