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    From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to All on Fri May 6 08:22:57 2022
    What happened to the Troll ?

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Fri May 6 12:21:02 2022
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 06.05.2022 09:22

    WD> What happened to the Troll ?

    Preparations for V-day maybe? ;=)

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Fri May 6 12:08:08 2022
    What happened to the Troll ?

    Preparations for V-day maybe? ;=)

    Glad you're still there, I began to miss you ... 8-)

    Anything particular to celebrate on May 8th ... ?

    \%/@rd

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Fri May 6 17:51:10 2022
    Anything particular to celebrate on May 8th ... ?

    Naughty... 8-)



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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Sat May 7 00:20:36 2022
    Hello, alexander!

    Friday May 06 2022 12:21, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

    What happened to the Troll ?

    Preparations for V-day maybe? ;=)

    I just arrived in Russia - "new swastika" (Z) is in every town.

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Björn Felten on Fri May 6 23:39:55 2022
    Anything particular to celebrate on May 8th ... ?

    Naughty... 8-)

    Well what do you expect of a country which even lies about the end of WW2 in the western theatre of operations ... rewriting history refined to an art ...

    \%/@rd

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Sat May 7 00:28:54 2022
    Well what do you expect of a country which even lies about the end of
    WW2 in the western theatre of operations ... rewriting history refined
    to an art ...

    They were probably too busy raping and pillaging Berlin to notice what day it was.



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  • From Nick Scherbyna@2:463/1331.11 to Dmitry Protasoff on Fri May 6 19:32:03 2022
    ਢ Dmitry!

    07 May 22 00:20, Dmitry Protasoff -> alexander koryagin:

    Hello, alexander!

    Friday May 06 2022 12:21, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

    What happened to the Troll ?

    Preparations for V-day maybe? ;=)

    I just arrived in Russia - "new swastika" (Z) is in every town.

    We have annoyed on this a lot. Someday russians will open their eyes.

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Nick Scherbyna on Sat May 7 09:55:28 2022
    Mick,

    I just arrived in Russia - "new swastika" (Z) is in every town.

    We have annoyed on this a lot. Someday russians will open their eyes.

    Let us really hope so, and that it doesn't take too long ... and Ukraine a member of the EU and NATO ...

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  • From Oleg Lukashin@2:5020/329 to Dmitry Protasoff on Sat May 7 17:43:14 2022
    Hi, Dmitry!

    07 May 22 00:20, you wrote to alexander koryagin:

    Preparations for V-day maybe? ;=)

    I just arrived in Russia - "new swastika" (Z) is in every town.

    You've just returned in Russia right in every town ? Ne pizdabol', a ?


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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to Oleg Lukashin on Sat May 7 18:27:16 2022
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    Hello, Oleg!

    Saturday May 07 2022 17:43, you wrote to me:

    I just arrived in Russia - "new swastika" (Z) is in every town.

    You've just returned in Russia right in every town ? Ne pizdabol', a ?

    I drove thru many towns and new swastikas where in every single town I visited.


    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Sun May 8 11:42:15 2022
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 07.05.2022 10:55

    NS>>DP> I just arrived in Russia - "new swastika" (Z) is in
    NS>> every town. We have annoyed on this a lot. Someday russians
    NS>> will open their eyes.
    WD> Let us really hope so, and that it doesn't take too long ...
    WD> and Ukraine a member of the EU and NATO ...

    It was an idea of some idiots that doing Ukraine a NATO member will
    cause peace and tranquility. ;=)


    Bye, Ward!
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Sun May 8 11:16:18 2022
    Let us really hope so, and that it doesn't take too long ...
    and Ukraine a member of the EU and NATO ...

    It was an idea of some idiots that doing Ukraine a NATO member will
    cause peace and tranquility. ;=)

    With a NATO membership, the current invasion would not have happened ... and probably the Dombas-dispute would have been resolved via the EU ...

    Happy 8 May, V-E Day ... the end of WW2 in Europe ...

    \%/@rd

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Sun May 8 13:26:15 2022
    Anything particular to celebrate on May 8th ... ?

    Naughty... 8-)

    Well what do you expect of a country which even lies about the end of
    WW2 in the western theatre of operations ... rewriting history refined
    to an art ...

    In all fairness, the actual time for the ceasefire, as ordered by the German high command, was 8 May 23:01 CET. That was 9 May 00:01 even in Finland, and, of course, in Moscow (UTC+3) it *was* 9 May 01:01.

    http://eljaco.se/files/VE-day.png




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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Mon May 9 12:44:09 2022
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 07.05.2022 00:20

    WD>>> What happened to the Troll ?
    ak>> Preparations for V-day maybe? ;=)
    DP> I just arrived in Russia - "new swastika" (Z) is in every town.

    Yes, it is on mine block-of-flats too.

    But as I said before -- the west should not be arrogant and it should understand the point of Russia and why so many Russians support Putin's invasion. I even would say that Putin even gains popularity doing what
    he is doing now, despite that sanctions affected many common people. The
    key for understanding is the slogan under "Z". The more anti Russian
    rhetoric appears in Ukraine the more popular Putin becomes.

    https://i.ibb.co/hLR7myr/Zslogan1024.jpg
    The slogan says "We don't give up our people".

    The result of this havoc will be the choice of the pro Russia people in
    the South and East of Ukraine. Exactly they will classify the sides.
    We'll see who they blame for destructions in their cities -- the
    unwanted Ukraine "defenders", or unwanted Russian "liberators from
    Ukrainian nationalists". Their sentence cannot be appealed. In the
    second choice the Russian troops will loose any reason to stay in that regions.

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Mon May 9 12:59:19 2022
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 08.05.2022 12:16

    WD>>> Let us really hope so, and that it doesn't take too long... and
    WD>>> Ukraine a member of the EU and NATO...

    ak>> It was an idea of some idiots that doing Ukraine a NATO member
    ak>> will cause peace and tranquility. ;=)

    WD> With a NATO membership, the current invasion would not have
    WD> happened... and probably the Dombas-dispute would have been
    WD> resolved via the EU...

    They say the road to hell paved with good intentions. Politicians should
    not be radicals or idiots. They should understand where they should use negotiations and compromises. The best skill of a politician is not
    starting a war, but war preventing. Ukrainian leaders posed before
    Russia in a hard-edged stance, ready to fight. And they got what they
    wanted. If an idiot poke a bear in its den it finally ends up badly for
    the idiot. But if a balanced national policy would have continued in
    Ukraine after 2014 -- nothing bad happened.

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to alexander koryagin on Mon May 9 03:22:38 2022
    They say the road to hell paved with good intentions. Politicians should
    not be radicals or idiots. They should understand where they should use negotiations and compromises. The best skill of a politician is not
    starting a war, but war preventing. Ukrainian leaders posed before
    Russia in a hard-edged stance, ready to fight. And they got what they
    wanted. If an idiot poke a bear in its den it finally ends up badly for
    the idiot. But if a balanced national policy would have continued in
    Ukraine after 2014 -- nothing bad happened.

    Ukraine never wanted or started any war. Russia did.

    Russia's entire narrative is false. Things like nazi's in Ukraine. It's a ridiculous idea to make and spread. Even more ridiculous that the people of Russia would believe such nonsense.

    Today Putin said (at the victory day parade speech) that it had no choice because it was attacked. That is simply untrue. Russia was not attacked or threatened with attack. Russia is the aggressor in this war.

    He also said that the west had threatened it with nuclear war. Another lie. The west has not threatened any kind of war. It is Russia that rattles it's nuclear sabres.

    No amount of lies and propaganda can overcome these basic facts.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Mon May 9 14:08:12 2022
    Hello, alexander!

    Monday May 09 2022 12:44, you wrote to me:

    I just arrived in Russia - "new swastika" (Z) is in every town.

    Yes, it is on mine block-of-flats too.

    But as I said before -- the west should not be arrogant and it should understand the point of Russia and why so many Russians support
    Putin's invasion. I even would say that Putin even gains popularity

    No, they don't have to. They need to stop Putin, and that's all.
    That's why sanctions are in place.

    And Russian authorities said many times that "sanctions are good for our country" ;)

    https://i.ibb.co/hLR7myr/Zslogan1024.jpg
    The slogan says "We don't give up our people".

    But Russia always gave up "our people". It's just another lie.

    The result of this havoc will be the choice of the pro Russia people
    in the South and East of Ukraine. Exactly they will classify the

    I see that people from Mariupol are going into EU, because they don't want to stay in Russia.
    Real people, not TV puppets.


    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Mon May 9 23:23:39 2022
    Alexander,

    But if a balanced national policy would have continued in
    Ukraine after 2014 -- nothing bad happened.

    The agressor is Russia, not Ukraine. Russia created the Donbas-controversy which was nothing else but the prelude to the already long planned invasion of Ukraine ... all part of the strategy.

    Putin's speech today about the west endangering Russia's territorial qualities is absolutely laughable ... Anybody really believes that?

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alan Ianson on Tue May 10 11:39:29 2022
    Hi, Alan Ianson!
    I read your message from 09.05.2022 13:22

    ak>> They say the road to hell paved with good intentions. Politicians
    ak>> should not be radicals or idiots. They should understand where
    ak>> they should use negotiations and compromises. The best skill of a
    ak>> politician is not starting a war, but war preventing. Ukrainian
    ak>> leaders posed before Russia in a hard-edged stance, ready to
    ak>> fight. And they got what they wanted. If an idiot poke a bear in
    ak>> its den it finally ends up badly for the idiot. But if a balanced
    ak>> national policy would have continued in Ukraine after 2014 --
    ak>> nothing bad happened.
    AI> Ukraine never wanted or started any war. Russia did.
    AI> Russia's entire narrative is false. Things like nazi's in Ukraine.
    AI> It's a ridiculous idea to make and spread. Even more ridiculous
    AI> that the people of Russia would believe such nonsense.

    Open your eyes -- after Ukrainian troops unleashed a war the eastern
    Ukraine, in Donbass, in 2014 a half a million of Donbass citizens were
    forced to search refuge in Russia _only in 2014_. New Ukrainian
    authority had bet on force and blood from the beginning.

    AI> Today Putin said (at the victory day parade speech) that it had no
    AI> choice because it was attacked. That is simply untrue. Russia was

    Putin didn't say that Ukraine attacked Russia. He said that Russia did a preventive strike. Try the Google translator if you are allowed visit
    the Kremlin site:

    http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/68366

    AI> not attacked or threatened with attack. Russia is the aggressor in
    AI> this war.

    Russia did what for instance Israel did many times, without asking
    anybody permission. And now Russia feels the same warm looks of European countries as Israel does, from the Arab nations. ;-)

    AI> He also said that the west had threatened it with nuclear war.
    AI> Another lie. The west has not threatened any kind of war. It is
    AI> Russia that rattles it's nuclear sabres.

    Nothing of this kind was in his speech, but earlier he claimed that it
    was unacceptable if NATO would come as close to Moscow as Ukraine.

    AI> No amount of lies and propaganda can overcome these basic facts.

    Poop translation maybe? ;-)

    Bye, Alan!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Tue May 10 12:14:50 2022
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 09.05.2022 14:08

    ak>> But as I said before -- the west should not be arrogant and it
    ak>> should understand the point of Russia and why so many Russians
    ak>> support Putin's invasion. I even would say that Putin even gains
    ak>> popularity

    DP> No, they don't have to. They need to stop Putin, and that's all.
    DP> That's why sanctions are in place.

    DP> And Russian authorities said many times that "sanctions are good
    DP> for our country" ;)

    BTW, I have an impression that the sanctions have reached to such level
    that Putin now has a feeling that he can do anything he wants and it
    cannot be worse anyway. ;) Probably soon he will do the things he never though of before. For instance, he can declare that a frozen Russian
    actives is a fair price for Ukraine Russian speaking chunks. ;-) It
    looks like two snakes frantically try to eat each other making an
    infernal ring. But IMHO the shorter one should end up quicker, not
    important how much to feed it. ;=)

    ak>> https://i.ibb.co/hLR7myr/Zslogan1024.jpg
    ak>> The slogan says "We don't give up our people".

    DP> But Russia always gave up "our people". It's just another lie.

    It is true. But it means only Russia should stop, at last, such a practice.

    ak>> The result of this havoc will be the choice of the pro Russia
    ak>> people in the South and East of Ukraine. Exactly they will
    ak>> classify the

    DP> I see that people from Mariupol are going into EU, because they
    DP> don't want to stay in Russia. Real people, not TV puppets.

    It would be indicative -- the position of people whose dwellings was destroyed. If they would greet Russian troops it will tell everything.

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Tue May 10 12:19:05 2022
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 10.05.2022 00:23

    ak>> But if a balanced national policy would have continued in Ukraine
    ak>> after 2014 -- nothing bad happened.

    WD> The agressor is Russia, not Ukraine. Russia created the Donbas-
    WD> controversy which was nothing else but the prelude to the already
    WD> long planned invasion of Ukraine... all part of the strategy.

    WD> Putin's speech today about the west endangering Russia's
    WD> territorial qualities is absolutely laughable... Anybody really
    WD> believes that?

    I have already told you an analogy -- suppose in Mexico a pro Russian
    forces came to power, and they want to enter into a military union with
    Russia and Belarus. Should we expect a different reaction from the US?

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Tue May 10 12:40:38 2022
    *** Answering a msg posted in area carbonArea (Carbon Area).

    Hello, alexander!

    Tuesday May 10 2022 12:14, you wrote to me:

    No, they don't have to. They need to stop Putin, and that's all.
    That's why sanctions are in place.

    And Russian authorities said many times that "sanctions are good
    for our country" ;)

    BTW, I have an impression that the sanctions have reached to such
    level that Putin now has a feeling that he can do anything he wants
    and it cannot be worse anyway. ;) Probably soon he will do the things

    He is an old and poorly educated guy, soviet era madman.
    Something like soviet modem - terrible looking and very buggy piece of junk :)

    he never though of before. For instance, he can declare that a frozen

    Eat someone alive?

    Russian actives is a fair price for Ukraine Russian speaking chunks.
    ;-) It looks like two snakes frantically try to eat each other making

    It's very difficult to predict madman's ideas.

    But Russia always gave up "our people". It's just another lie.

    It is true. But it means only Russia should stop, at last, such a practice.

    Russia is not going to stop it. Putin doesn't care about real people, they like pawns to him.


    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to alexander koryagin on Tue May 10 03:11:22 2022
    Ukraine never wanted or started any war. Russia did.
    Russia's entire narrative is false. Things like nazi's in Ukraine.
    It's a ridiculous idea to make and spread. Even more ridiculous
    that the people of Russia would believe such nonsense.

    Open your eyes --

    Indeed! Open your eyes old man!

    after Ukrainian troops unleashed a war the eastern
    Ukraine, in Donbass, in 2014 a half a million of Donbass citizens were
    forced to search refuge in Russia _only in 2014_. New Ukrainian
    authority had bet on force and blood from the beginning.

    Ukraine did not unleash war. War was created by Russia. Yes, even in 2014 it was so. Ukraine was then and is now defending Ukraine, in Ukraine.

    Today Putin said (at the victory day parade speech) that it had no
    choice because it was attacked. That is simply untrue. Russia was

    Putin didn't say that Ukraine attacked Russia. He said that Russia did a preventive strike. Try the Google translator if you are allowed visit
    the Kremlin site:

    He did indeed say that Russia was attacked or threatened with attack. Neither is true.

    http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/68366

    No need, I saw him make the speech live.

    Russia did what for instance Israel did many times, without asking
    anybody permission. And now Russia feels the same warm looks of European countries as Israel does, from the Arab nations. ;-)

    I wouldn't take Israel as a role model any more than Russia.

    He also said that the west had threatened it with nuclear war.
    Another lie. The west has not threatened any kind of war. It is
    Russia that rattles it's nuclear sabres.

    Nothing of this kind was in his speech, but earlier he claimed that it
    was unacceptable if NATO would come as close to Moscow as Ukraine.

    You didn't watch the speech did you? He did indeed say that Russia was threatened with nuclear war/weapons. There have been no such threats/actions.

    No amount of lies and propaganda can overcome these basic facts.

    Poop translation maybe? ;-)

    Maybe but I doubt it. I'll have another look/listen to his speech.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Tue May 10 14:15:54 2022
    Alexander,

    I have already told you an analogy -- suppose in Mexico a pro Russian forces came to power, and they want to enter into a military union with Russia and Belarus. Should we expect a different reaction from the US?

    Too many parameters in that equation are different and nonsense ... why don't you stick to the simple fact that Russia is the agressor here ...

    Putin claimed that the west was threatening to invade Russia and change the country. While that claim is utter nonsense, it probably would be a good deal for the Russian people ...

    I will never forget my only stay in St.Petersburg in 2009 for 2 weeks ... walking through the neighbourhoods, taking public transport ... when you tried to look at people and make eye-contact, maybe start a conversation, they would always turn their head away and look in another direction.

    Russians need a Tsar, a strong leader. Stalin was a strong leader and the Ruskis liked him ... or at least pretended they did. Gorbatchov dissolved the USSR and therefor was not a good Tsar, neither was Jeltsin... It's a little bit like the Christmas story where we're waiting for the next coming of the christ ... Russians are waiting for their next Tsar and Putin tries to be the one by identfying an issue, even if it is completely fabricated from beginning till end, and quickly solve it by a surgically quick sweep of Ukraine, capture Kiyv, depose the president and return a puppet-regime to power in a matter of 4-5 days. Didn't work, he's not the great new Tsar.

    So all the troops are shifted to the Donbas ... these should be such overwhelming numbers that it ought to be an easy and a quick-win ... isn't happening, Putin's again not the great new Tsar.

    Eventually the system supporting Putin, as he can not do it by himself, will start to unsupport him and he will topple ... maybe next month, maybe in half a year, maybe in a year ... Russia has already lost the war in Ukraine, and maybe also the Donbas.

    All your nonsense about the so-called mass-murder in East-Ukraine, just think about it ... when that Ukrainian army is capable of pushing back the well equipped fighting machine which the Russian army is, why have they not swept away the rebels? Unless the rebels were already the Russian army ... since 2014 ...

    There's no new Tsar yet in Russia, Putin will topple, reforms will happen, trade will resume, Russia will pay again for Boeings and Airbusses ... but the days of gas and oil are a thing of the past ... Unless you can sell to China, Russia will be way way less prosperous than it used to be.

    For the size of that country and the mineral richness, it has a ridiculous small Gross National Product.

    A few days ago a Belgian TV crew encountered a train full with Russian corpses in body bags, not propaganda, our own crews ... 60-80 corpses per freightcar. Russia refuses to accept them for proper burial ... they're also not in the Russian statistics ...

    The video which was released with survivors of the Moskva shows you men that are listed as "missing" after the sinking ... lie upon lie upon lie ...

    Russia is swamped in the most incredible bog of lies that humanity has ever seen ... I wonder how many Russians are ashamed at being Russian ...

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Alexander Koryagin on Tue May 10 07:38:49 2022

    WD> Putin's speech today about the west endangering Russia's
    WD> territorial qualities is absolutely laughable... Anybody really
    WD> believes that?

    I have already told you an analogy -- suppose in Mexico a pro Russian forces came to power, and they want to enter into a military union with Russia and Belarus. Should we expect a different reaction from the US?

    Bye, Ward!

    that's a very good analogy, too.

    putin's invasion is totally justified in my opinion. the united states is just involved because their corrupt politicians have bad dirty deals with the ukraine govt. that being said, if trump was president this would have never happened. if someone disagrees with that, i question their sanity.

    ... Life is a game, and money is how you keep score...

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Dmitry Protasoff on Tue May 10 07:41:08 2022
    BTW, I have an impression that the sanctions have reached to such level that Putin now has a feeling that he can do anything he wants and it cannot be worse anyway. ;) Probably soon he will do the thing

    He is an old and poorly educated guy, soviet era madman.
    Something like soviet modem - terrible looking and very buggy piece of jun

    he never though of before. For instance, he can declare that a frozen



    i'm not sure about putin's education other than what i've seen on wikipedia.

    He appears to be an intelligent man who is not to be messed with.
    I wouldn't want to piss him off.

    I wonder how many people he's killed. He probably has a huge bodycount if you count ordered individual deaths.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to Jas Hud on Tue May 10 16:20:56 2022
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    Hello, Jas!

    Tuesday May 10 2022 07:41, you wrote to me:

    i'm not sure about putin's education other than what i've seen on wikipedia.

    He cannot even use computer to visit wikipedia :) He was small KGB officer, they were never intelligent guys with good education.

    He appears to be an intelligent man who is not to be messed with.
    I wouldn't want to piss him off.

    I wonder how many people he's killed. He probably has a huge bodycount
    if you count ordered individual deaths.

    Yes, but this doesn't make him smart.

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Dmitry Protasoff on Tue May 10 11:08:50 2022
    |03Quoting message from |11Dmitry Protasoff |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1110 May 22 16:20:56|03.

    *** Answering a msg posted in area carbonArea (Carbon Area).

    Hello, Jas!

    Tuesday May 10 2022 07:41, you wrote to me:

    i'm not sure about putin's education other than what i've seen on wikipedia.

    He cannot even use computer to visit wikipedia :) He was small KGB officer they were never intelligent guys with good education.



    i dunno. do you have personal knowledge about him?
    you better watch what you say or you will be drinking some plutonium tea.

    I wonder how many people he's killed. He probably has a huge bodycoun if you count ordered individual deaths.

    Yes, but this doesn't make him smart.


    he's alive and they are dead.

    Putin has been in power for 2 decades. doesn't sound like a stupid guy to me.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Jas Hud on Tue May 10 18:07:30 2022
    Putin has been in power for 2 decades. doesn't sound like a stupid guy to me.

    There's a difference between bright, smart, keen, witty, intelligent, resourceful, etc ...

    Putin is not a single person, he's the exponent of a system. Remove Putin and eventully another Putin will step forward ... or be shoved forward by the system ...

    BTW, what's your real name?

    \%/@rd

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Ward Dossche on Tue May 10 12:40:06 2022
    On 10 May 22 18:07:30, Ward Dossche said the following to Jas Hud:

    BTW, what's your real name?

    Lefaso junior.

    Nick

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Ward Dossche on Tue May 10 14:42:26 2022
    |03Quoting message from |11Ward Dossche |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1110 May 22 18:07:30|03.

    Putin has been in power for 2 decades. doesn't sound like a stupid guy to me.

    There's a difference between bright, smart, keen, witty, intelligent, resourceful, etc ...

    Putin is not a single person, he's the exponent of a system. Remove Putin eventully another Putin will step forward ... or be shoved forward by the system ...


    yeah but what politican isnt.

    BTW, what's your real name?

    you asked me that years ago.

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Tue May 10 14:44:42 2022
    |03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Ward Dossche
    |03on |1110 May 22 12:40:06|03.

    On 10 May 22 18:07:30, Ward Dossche said the following to Jas Hud:

    BTW, what's your real name?

    Lefaso junior.

    Nick

    phil mcgracken

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Alexander Koryagin on Tue May 10 15:23:16 2022
    He also said that the west had threatened it with nuclear war.
    Another lie. The west has not threatened any kind of war. It is
    Russia that rattles it's nuclear sabres.

    Nothing of this kind was in his speech, but earlier he claimed that it
    was unacceptable if NATO would come as close to Moscow as Ukraine.

    No amount of lies and propaganda can overcome these basic facts.

    Poop translation maybe? ;-)

    As you suggested the translation I got was poop I had another listen and no, I got it right the first time. He does indeed blame the west for the war in Ukraine instead of the person who gave the order to invade and attack, Putin himself.

    Russian soldiers have looted homes of Ukrainian civilians and on exit booby trapped those homes to kill civilians returning to their homes.

    https://youtu.be/zTinOAUOVEk

    I will not reply to any off topic posts in this area any longer. It's not because I don't like you, or want to talk to you, or value what you have to say. It's just because it's off topic here.

    I have posted in the WHAT'S_HOT! area posts about the war. I will continue discussions in that area if you'd like to continue.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Jas Hud on Wed May 11 00:08:57 2022
    BTW, what's your real name?

    Lefaso junior.

    Nick

    phil mcgracken

    So you're a female then?

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Nick Andre on Wed May 11 00:10:17 2022
    BTW, what's your real name?

    Lefaso junior.

    Not 'Ze real zing' as the French would say?

    \%/@rd

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Ward Dossche on Tue May 10 18:41:53 2022
    On 11 May 22 00:10:17, Ward Dossche said the following to Nick Andre:

    BTW, what's your real name?

    Lefaso junior.

    Not 'Ze real zing' as the French would say?

    Nah, not even a Witt junior.

    Nick

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Alexander Koryagin on Wed May 11 00:27:06 2022
    On 05-10-22 12:19, Alexander Koryagin <=-
    spoke to Ward Dossche about ? <=-

    I have already told you an analogy -- suppose in Mexico a pro Russian forces came to power, and they want to enter into a military union
    with Russia and Belarus. Should we expect a different reaction from
    the US?

    The USA actually faced down such an analogy without a war. It was called
    the Cuban Missile Crisis.

    And in another instance, during WWI the USArmy stationed troops on the
    Mexican border as a deterrent since there was a concern that Mexico might become aligned with Germany.

    But in both of those examples, the USA did not invade the other country
    like Putin did to Ukraine.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Jas Hud on Wed May 11 00:28:08 2022
    On 05-10-22 07:38, Jas Hud <=-
    spoke to Alexander Koryagin about Re: ? <=-

    I have already told you an analogy -- suppose in Mexico a pro Russian forces came to power, and they want to enter into a military union with Russia and Belarus. Should we expect a different reaction from the US?

    that's a very good analogy, too.

    putin's invasion is totally justified in my opinion. the united
    states is just involved because their corrupt politicians have bad
    dirty deals with the ukraine govt. that being said, if trump was president this would have never happened. if someone disagrees with that, i question their sanity.

    It might well have been different. Trump would have welcomed them in
    and congratulated them on their genius move -- no, wait. He did do
    that. He would also have made sure that they did not get the support
    they needed to push the Russians back. Then Trump would have encouraged
    Putin to finish the deal by going into Moldava, then even Poland.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alan Ianson on Wed May 11 09:12:14 2022
    Hi, Alan Ianson!
    I read your message from 10.05.2022 13:11

    AI>>> He also said that the west had threatened it with nuclear war.
    AI>>> Another lie. The west has not threatened any kind of war. It is
    AI>>> Russia that rattles it's nuclear sabres.

    ak>> Nothing of this kind was in his speech, but earlier he claimed
    ak>> that it was unacceptable if NATO would come as close to Moscow as
    ak>> Ukraine.

    AI> You didn't watch the speech did you? He did indeed say that Russia
    AI> was threatened with nuclear war/weapons. There have been no such
    AI> threats/actions.

    The only mention about a nuclear threat in the speech was the claim that Ukraine wants to get nuclear weapon. Or give the citation from the
    speech text.

    Bye, Alan!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Wed May 11 10:33:45 2022
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 10.05.2022 15:15

    ak>> I have already told you an analogy -- suppose in Mexico a pro
    ak>> Russian forces came to power, and they want to enter into a
    ak>> military union with Russia and Belarus. Should we expect a
    ak>> different reaction from the US?

    WD> Too many parameters in that equation are different and nonsense...
    WD> why don't you stick to the simple fact that Russia is the agressor
    WD> here...

    First of all you should understand that nobody wanted to take away
    Ukraine sovereignty, to make them slaves etc. Russia wanted to gain
    concrete political aims, mainly to stop fighting in Donbass. By force if
    they don't wont to do it peacefully. It was a crazy idea for Ukrainian
    regime enter in the war with Russia. Everything could be solved without victims if Ukraine would really wanted it. But too many people in
    Ukraine wanted to fight. The authority people in Kiev hated Russia so
    much that the compromise was not possible. A huge part of the current bloodshed lies on them. But after the blood spilt the war almost never
    can be stopped quickly.

    <skipped>
    WD> I will never forget my only stay in St. Petersburg in 2009 for 2
    WD> weeks... walking through the neighbourhoods, taking public
    WD> transport... when you tried to look at people and make eye-contact,
    WD> maybe start a conversation, they would always turn their head away
    WD> and look in another direction.

    ;-)) Well, probably you looked too suspicious. I imagine how I, for
    instance, arrive to some European town and I start to look in the eyes
    of the pedestrians and try to make them answer the questions. ;)

    WD> Russians need a Tsar, a strong leader. Stalin was a strong leader
    WD> and the Ruskis liked him... or at least pretended they did.
    WD> Gorbatchov dissolved the USSR and therefor was not a good Tsar,
    WD> neither was Jeltsin... It's a little bit like the Christmas story
    WD> where we're waiting for the next coming of the christ... Russians
    WD> are waiting for their next Tsar and Putin tries to be the one by
    WD> identfying an issue, even if it is completely fabricated from
    WD> beginning till end, and quickly solve it by a surgically quick
    WD> sweep of Ukraine, capture Kiyv, depose the president and return a
    WD> puppet-regime to power in a matter of 4-5 days. Didn't work, he's
    WD> not the great new Tsar.

    It is like to say that Germans needed a dictator in 193s. Probably, the country condition defines the probability of dictatorship. As for the
    invasion -- IMHO Putin is trying to solve an unsolvable. It is one more
    proof that the power should not be concentrated in hands of one person.
    Will the result be a Gordian knot solution? We'll see.

    WD> So all the troops are shifted to the Donbas... these should be such
    WD> overwhelming numbers that it ought to be an easy and a quick-win...
    WD> isn't happening, Putin's again not the great new Tsar.

    From another side there is no big necessity to be quick? For instance
    NATO methodically bombed Yugoslavia for 78 days before it made
    concessions. But note, that Russian troops have not blown up a single
    bridge in Ukraine. Completely different aims.

    WD> Eventually the system supporting Putin, as he can not do it by
    WD> himself, will start to unsupport him and he will topple... maybe
    WD> next month, maybe in half a year, maybe in a year... Russia has
    WD> already lost the war in Ukraine, and maybe also the Donbas.

    We are cool divan experts, yeah. ;-)

    WD> All your nonsense about the so-called mass-murder in East-Ukraine,
    WD> just think about it... when that Ukrainian army is capable of
    WD> pushing back the well equipped fighting machine which the Russian
    WD> army is, why have they not swept away the rebels? Unless the rebels
    WD> were already the Russian army... since 2014...

    I told you already -- Ukraine "defenders" hid themselves in Russian
    speaking cities and towns, and there is no way to chase them out without grounding the towns. The same problem Ukraine military had in Donetsk
    for 8 years, but they could not flatten it just because Russia would not
    allow to do it.

    WD> There's no new Tsar yet in Russia, Putin will topple, reforms will
    WD> happen, trade will resume, Russia will pay again for Boeings and
    WD> Airbusses... but the days of gas and oil are a thing of the past...
    WD> Unless you can sell to China, Russia will be way way less
    WD> prosperous than it used to be.

    BTW Russia has many other resources to sell besides oil and gas. The
    west pushes Russia to become China's inexhaustible supply room which
    soon will make China the greatest and strongest country in the world. I
    I very doubt that the fucking, miserable reason to defend
    ultra-nationalists in Ukraine was worth it.

    WD> For the size of that country and the mineral richness, it has a
    WD> ridiculous small Gross National Product.

    I've already told here that Russians are ready suffer for justice. It is
    a national character. ;)

    WD> A few days ago a Belgian TV crew encountered a train full with
    WD> Russian corpses in body bags, not propaganda, our own crews... 60-
    WD> 80 corpses per freightcar. Russia refuses to accept them for proper
    WD> burial... they're also not in the Russian statistics...

    The war is an awful thing who disagree with it?

    WD> The video which was released with survivors of the Moskva shows you
    WD> men that are listed as "missing" after the sinking... lie upon lie
    WD> upon lie...

    Did you show it on Ukrainian TV? Give me the URL. As for packs of lie
    and fakes there are a lot of them on both sides.

    WD> Russia is swamped in the most incredible bog of lies that humanity
    WD> has ever seen... I wonder how many Russians are ashamed at being
    WD> Russian...

    A few. As for me I despise those Ukrainian nationalists who started all
    this havoc more. BTW there is a good test to disclose Nazi. If some
    people destroy memorials of Red Army soldiers who fought with Hitler,
    glorify those who collaborate with him it is a reliable sign of
    Neo-Nazi. There are a lot of them in Ukraine and Baltic states. So it
    just impossible for me to be on their side.

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alan Ianson on Wed May 11 10:50:20 2022
    Hi, Alan Ianson!
    I read your message from 11.05.2022 01:23

    AI> As you suggested the translation I got was poop I had another

    I ment not poop translation but poor one. My mistake.

    AI> listen and no, I got it right the first time. He does indeed
    AI> blame the west for the war in Ukraine instead of the person who
    AI> gave the order to invade and attack, Putin himself. Russian
    AI> soldiers have looted homes of Ukrainian civilians and on exit
    AI> booby trapped those homes to kill civilians returning to their homes.
    AI> https://youtu.be/zTinOAUOVEk

    ;) Ukrainian people of course don't loot the left houses. Yeah. As for
    booby traps for civilians who returns to their homes -- no comment for
    this nonsense. But I watched the similar report what to do Ukrainian
    troops when they left.

    AI> will not reply to any off topic posts in
    AI> this area any longer. It's not because I don't like you, or want to
    AI> talk to you, or value what you have to say. It's just because it's off
    AI> topic here.

    I have no access to WHAT'S_HOT!

    Bye, Alan!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dale Shipp on Wed May 11 11:04:53 2022
    Hi, Dale Shipp!
    I read your message from 11.05.2022 00:27

    AK>> I have already told you an analogy -- suppose in Mexico a pro
    AK>> Russian forces came to power, and they want to enter into a
    AK>> military union with Russia and Belarus. Should we expect a
    AK>> different reaction from the US?

    DS> The USA actually faced down such an analogy without a war. It was
    DS> called the Cuban Missile Crisis.

    DS> And in another instance, during WWI the USArmy stationed troops on
    DS> the Mexican border as a deterrent since there was a concern that
    DS> Mexico might become aligned with Germany.

    DS> But in both of those examples, the USA did not invade the other
    DS> country like Putin did to Ukraine.

    The US would either flatten Cuba down or it could be a nuclear war with
    the USSR. Happily a peaceful agreement with the USSR was achieved which satisfied both sides. For instance, Cuba did not become a member of the
    Warsaw treaty. The US gave the assurance to the USSR that it will not
    invade Cuba.
    The difference is that now the US and NATO flatly refused to make any concessions to Russia in relation to Ukraine, probably not considering
    Russia as a country worthy to for it. They also carry a big part of responsibility of the current crisis.

    Bye, Dale!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Alexander Koryagin on Wed May 11 01:30:30 2022
    Russian soldiers have looted homes of Ukrainian civilians and on exit
    booby trapped those homes to kill civilians returning to their homes.

    https://youtu.be/zTinOAUOVEk

    ;) Ukrainian people of course don't loot the left houses. Yeah. As for
    booby traps for civilians who returns to their homes -- no comment for
    this nonsense. But I watched the similar report what to do Ukrainian
    troops when they left.

    Of course they didn't. This is not an isolated incident.

    https://youtu.be/j2KOtM0Fhzk

    This war that you support with propaganda is nonsense.

    will not reply to any off topic posts in
    this area any longer. It's not because I don't like you, or want to
    talk to you, or value what you have to say. It's just because it's off
    topic here.

    I have no access to WHAT'S_HOT!

    Any appropriate area you have access to will do.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Wed May 11 12:14:30 2022
    Hello, alexander!

    Wednesday May 11 2022 10:33, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

    First of all you should understand that nobody wanted to take away
    Ukraine sovereignty, to make them slaves etc. Russia wanted to gain

    Putin wants to take away it. Actually it already doing so.
    Russia already forced +7 numeration usage in occupied part of Ukraine, this is actully againts all international agreements that Russia signed.

    the current bloodshed lies on them. But after the blood spilt the war almost never can be stopped quickly.

    And now it's a crime to go out with slogan "Stop fascism" in Russia because we are acting exactly as fascist state.
    To be against current war in Russia is a crime itself.
    It's like 1984.

    From another side there is no big necessity to be quick? For instance
    NATO methodically bombed Yugoslavia for 78 days before it made
    concessions. But note, that Russian troops have not blown up a single

    There was a bloody war in Yougoslavia since 1991 and Russia did nothing to stop it.

    bridge in Ukraine. Completely different aims.

    Fake news - they blown a lot of bridges already. As I said - the whole modern Russian ideology is just 1 big lie.

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Ward Dossche on Wed May 11 06:09:38 2022
    |03Quoting message from |11Ward Dossche |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1111 May 22 00:08:57|03.

    BTW, what's your real name?

    Lefaso junior.

    Nick

    phil mcgracken

    So you're a female then?

    sorry dude, try plentyoffish or something

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Wed May 11 14:26:55 2022
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 11.05.2022 12:14

    ak>> NATO methodically bombed Yugoslavia for 78 days before it
    ak>> made concessions. But note, that Russian troops have not
    ak>> blown up a single
    DP> There was a bloody war in Yougoslavia since 1991 and Russia did
    DP> nothing to stop it.
    ak>> bridge in Ukraine. Completely different aims.
    DP> Fake news - they blown a lot of bridges already. As I said -
    DP> the whole modern Russian ideology is just 1 big lie.

    You should understand that NATO never wanted to put their boots in
    Yugoslavia -- that's why they didn't need to spare bridges there. But it
    will be funny if Russia would blow up bridges ahead of it troops. All
    bridges that were blown up were blown up by the Ukrainian military.

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alan Ianson on Wed May 11 14:35:38 2022
    Hi, Alan Ianson!
    I read your message from 11.05.2022 11:30

    AI> Of course they didn't. This is not an isolated incident.
    AI> https://youtu.be/j2KOtM0Fhzk
    AI> This war that you support with propaganda is nonsense.

    To understand better what is going on just look how neo-Nazi in Latvia
    removed the flowers laid to the fallen Red Army soldiers using a
    bulldozer. It happened on May 9. This video is enough to double the
    supporters of Putin's invasion in Russia.

    https://youtu.be/w4O0LRwmJGo?t=32

    Bye, Alan!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Alan Ianson on Wed May 11 13:45:52 2022
    Hello Alan,

    I will not reply to any off topic posts in this area any longer. It's not because I don't like you, or want to talk to you, or value what you have to
    say. It's just because it's off topic here.

    I am not sure if any topic in this echo can be "off topic" - unless
    the moderator specifically requests it be dropped. But there are other
    echoes where some discussions would be better suited.

    I have posted in the WHAT'S_HOT! area posts about the war. I will continue discussions in that area if you'd like to continue.

    Great idea! That echo used to be very popular, years ago. The
    news stories were about topic from around the world, not limited
    to politics but about everything under the sun. Not just in the
    US, but from around the world.

    Jesus resurrected two people from the dead. Maybe more, but how
    many dead people coming back to life does it take for the crowds
    of onlookers to truly believe?

    One echo can't be all that hard to do. Lurkers will come out of the
    shadows once they realize the Fido Messiah is here. And you know what
    that means ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Wed May 11 13:46:00 2022
    Hello Alexander,

    He also said that the west had threatened it with nuclear war.
    Another lie. The west has not threatened any kind of war. It is
    Russia that rattles it's nuclear sabres.

    Nothing of this kind was in his speech, but earlier he claimed
    that it was unacceptable if NATO would come as close to Moscow as
    Ukraine.

    You didn't watch the speech did you? He did indeed say that Russia
    was threatened with nuclear war/weapons. There have been no such
    threats/actions.

    The only mention about a nuclear threat in the speech was the claim that Ukraine wants to get nuclear weapon. Or give the citation from the
    speech text.

    US President George W. Bush said the same thing in a speech about
    Iraq as his main reason for invading the country. How many nukes were
    found after years of searching? None. I wonder how many nukes Putin
    will find in Ukraine? My guess would be the same number as GWB found.

    --Lee

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Wed May 11 13:49:43 2022
    You should understand that NATO never wanted to put their boots in Yugoslavia -- that's why they didn't need to spare bridges there. But it will be funny if Russia would blow up bridges ahead of it troops. All bridges that were blown up were blown up by the Ukrainian military.

    1) I had a niece and a brother in law serving in Yugoslavia under UN-flag.
    Just so you are aware, the UN and NATO are not the same.

    2) Of course Russia is not blowing up bridges, they need them to run back to
    mommy with all that they stole ...

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Wed May 11 13:54:27 2022
    To understand better what is going on just look how neo-Nazi in Latvia removed the flowers laid to the fallen Red Army soldiers using a
    bulldozer.

    One does not need to be a Neo-Nazi to dislike the current leadership in Russia.

    Try to live with it that even non-Neo-Nazis at the moment harbor a significant dislike for anything 'Russia' ... You also bypass the notion that Latvians couldn't be quick enough for their country to become member of NATO once they freed themselves from the oppressor ... Face it, Russia was 'never' liked by any of the Baltic states.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Jas Hud on Wed May 11 13:54:56 2022
    BTW, what's your real name?
    ...
    phil mcgracken

    So you're a female then?

    sorry dude, try plentyoffish or something

    You need to be a female to phil yr mcgracken ...

    {It's really bad when a joke needs to be explained}

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to alexander koryagin on Wed May 11 08:28:00 2022
    Hello alexander!

    ** On Wednesday 11.05.22 - 14:35, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

    To understand better what is going on just look how neo-
    Nazi in Latvia removed the flowers laid to the fallen Red
    Army soldiers using a bulldozer. It happened on May 9.
    This video is enough to double the supporters of Putin's
    invasion in Russia.

    https://youtu.be/w4O0LRwmJGo?t=32

    The commentator/reporter of that piece is TERRIBLE. He starts
    with pre-conditioning the listener... "what you are about to
    see is horrific, filled with bitterness and pain.. the
    monsterous reality when everything is destroyed" BS. He's not
    reporting anything. He's conditioning you to think a specific
    way.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Wed May 11 16:11:36 2022
    *** Answering a msg posted in area carbonArea (Carbon Area).

    Hello, alexander!

    Wednesday May 11 2022 14:26, you wrote to me:

    nothing to stop it.
    bridge in Ukraine. Completely different aims.
    Fake news - they blown a lot of bridges already. As I said -
    the whole modern Russian ideology is just 1 big lie.

    You should understand that NATO never wanted to put their boots in Yugoslavia -- that's why they didn't need to spare bridges there. But

    Peacekeeping forces were in Yugoslavia since 1992, main part of them were troops from NATO countries.
    So you probably know very little about war in Yugoslavia?

    it will be funny if Russia would blow up bridges ahead of it troops.

    Russia already retreating in some parts of Ukraine.

    All bridges that were blown up were blown up by the Ukrainian
    military.

    No, it's another lie. As I said - who's gonna believe you now?

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Thu May 12 04:15:01 2022
    Hello Alexander,

    I have already told you an analogy -- suppose in Mexico a pro
    Russian forces came to power, and they want to enter into a
    military union with Russia and Belarus. Should we expect a
    different reaction from the US?

    Too many parameters in that equation are different and nonsense...
    why don't you stick to the simple fact that Russia is the agressor
    here...

    First of all you should understand that nobody wanted to take away
    Ukraine sovereignty, to make them slaves etc. Russia wanted to gain concrete political aims, mainly to stop fighting in Donbass. By force if they don't wont to do it peacefully.

    If Putin truly wanted peace in Ukraine, he would order all Russian
    troops out of every square inch of the country. Including the areas
    illegally annexed by Russia. But he will never do that because he
    has absolutely no respect for international law, much less the people
    of Ukraine or any other country.

    If a robber came up to you and held a loaded gun to your head and
    demanded "Your money or your life!" he is playing nice by giving you
    a choice, and might even be considered a gentleman. But if the robber
    simply shoots you dead without even bothering to ask or giving you
    a choice, that makes him something far worse.

    It was a crazy idea for Ukrainian regime enter in the war with Russia.

    Crazy? Surrender is a choice. Not a good one, but a choice nonetheless.
    Not just the loss of personal freedom, but also of one's own life.
    And when that surrender means not just losing one's own life, but also
    the life of one's entire country (and people), that makes it genocide.

    Do you think the Jews before and during WWII willingly surrendered to
    Hitler knowing it meant their own deaths and those of their loved ones?
    What about blacks? And homosexuals? And gypsies? And so many others
    who were considered undesirables?

    Columbia University awarded the 2022 Pulitzer Prize to the Journalists
    of Ukraine (Special Category).

    The search for truth is universal. But some folks would never recognize
    truth if it bit them in the arse.

    Everything could be solved without victims if Ukraine would really wanted it.

    Ukrainians are not willing to off themselves. And Putin is not man
    enough to do things on his own, preferring to hide inside his own
    castle. Which explains his odd behavior when showing up in public.

    But too many people in Ukraine wanted to fight.

    When a killer threatens to kill, it is either kill or be killed.
    Makes no difference whether one likes it or not. You want to live?
    Pull the trigger. Otherwise, been nice knowing you.

    The authority people in Kiev hated Russia so much that the compromise was not possible.

    When a killer pulls a gun on you and threatens to pull the trigger,
    your only option is to kill or be killed.

    A huge part of the current bloodshed lies on them.

    Have you ever been to a cockfight? Those roosters are bred to fight.
    Those who can, survive. Those who can't, not even good for frying.
    Putin wanted a cockfight. Two roosters enter, one rooster wins ...

    But after the blood spilt the war almost never can be stopped quickly.

    You have never been to a cockfight.

    I will never forget my only stay in St. Petersburg in 2009 for 2
    weeks... walking through the neighbourhoods, taking public
    transport... when you tried to look at people and make eye-contact,
    maybe start a conversation, they would always turn their head away
    and look in another direction.

    ;-)) Well, probably you looked too suspicious. I imagine how I, for instance, arrive to some European town and I start to look in the eyes
    of the pedestrians and try to make them answer the questions. ;)

    Ward is from Belgium. And very confused as he never knows which
    language to speak in his own country. And when traveling to another
    country is even more confused. So what else can one expect others
    to think when looking at that strange confused tourist from a far
    away place?

    Russians need a Tsar, a strong leader. Stalin was a strong leader
    and the Ruskis liked him... or at least pretended they did.
    Gorbatchov dissolved the USSR and therefor was not a good Tsar,
    neither was Jeltsin... It's a little bit like the Christmas story
    where we're waiting for the next coming of the christ... Russians
    are waiting for their next Tsar and Putin tries to be the one by
    identfying an issue, even if it is completely fabricated from
    beginning till end, and quickly solve it by a surgically quick
    sweep of Ukraine, capture Kiyv, depose the president and return a
    puppet-regime to power in a matter of 4-5 days. Didn't work, he's
    not the great new Tsar.

    It is like to say that Germans needed a dictator in 193s. Probably, the country condition defines the probability of dictatorship. As for the invasion -- IMHO Putin is trying to solve an unsolvable. It is one more proof that the power should not be concentrated in hands of one person. Will the result be a Gordian knot solution? We'll see.

    One really should not blame the German people about Hitler. After
    WWII many Germans asked why we bombed their schools, their hospitals,
    their places of worship, etc. What did Germans ever do to deserve any
    of that? Hitler tried to defend Germany, and protect Germans from any
    and all harm that might come their way.

    One could also say the same about people in the USA about FDR. He
    was the guy who protected the American people from harm, and defended
    the USA from Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and the Empire of Japan.

    And of course there is the peoples of the former USSR, who had placed
    their trust in Stalin, who protected them from the evils of the world.

    Sometimes a people find it necessary to place their trust in a single
    person as their leader. Yugoslavia tried to use a leader by council,
    with each council member taking a turn, but that did not work out too
    well. Wound up dividing itself into several separate countries ...

    So all the troops are shifted to the Donbas... these should be such
    overwhelming numbers that it ought to be an easy and a quick-win...
    isn't happening, Putin's again not the great new Tsar.

    From another side there is no big necessity to be quick? For instance
    NATO methodically bombed Yugoslavia for 78 days before it made concessions. But note, that Russian troops have not blown up a single bridge in Ukraine. Completely different aims.

    Hey. The US did manage to blow up the Chinese embassy in Yugoslavia.
    Supposedly by mistake. And just missed Osama bin Laden in the process.

    Eventually the system supporting Putin, as he can not do it by
    himself, will start to unsupport him and he will topple... maybe
    next month, maybe in half a year, maybe in a year... Russia has
    already lost the war in Ukraine, and maybe also the Donbas.

    We are cool divan experts, yeah. ;-)

    Russia needs another Rasputin.

    All your nonsense about the so-called mass-murder in East-Ukraine,
    just think about it... when that Ukrainian army is capable of
    pushing back the well equipped fighting machine which the Russian
    army is, why have they not swept away the rebels? Unless the rebels
    were already the Russian army... since 2014...

    I told you already -- Ukraine "defenders" hid themselves in Russian speaking cities and towns, and there is no way to chase them out without grounding the towns. The same problem Ukraine military had in Donetsk
    for 8 years, but they could not flatten it just because Russia would not allow to do it.

    The region has been part of Ukraine for longer than anybody can
    remember. And yes, many do speak Russian. Even though they are all
    citizens of Ukraine. Amazing, isn't it?

    There's no new Tsar yet in Russia, Putin will topple, reforms will
    happen, trade will resume, Russia will pay again for Boeings and
    Airbusses... but the days of gas and oil are a thing of the past...
    Unless you can sell to China, Russia will be way way less
    prosperous than it used to be.

    BTW Russia has many other resources to sell besides oil and gas.

    Who is going to buy anything that Russia has to sell? Not even
    China is willing to buy what Russia has to offer.

    The west pushes Russia to become China's inexhaustible supply room which soon will make China the greatest and strongest country in the world.

    China has a strong economy today, but its population is aging.
    As such, its economy will continue to weaken as time goes on.

    I I very doubt that the fucking, miserable reason to defend ultra-nationalists in Ukraine was worth it.

    There are not many "ultra-nationalists" in Ukraine. Or anywhere
    else, for that matter.

    For the size of that country and the mineral richness, it has a
    ridiculous small Gross National Product.

    I've already told here that Russians are ready suffer for justice. It is a national character. ;)

    Justice? What justice? Or rather whose justice? Justice as
    administered by a kangaroo court is not justice of any kind.
    No matter how one dresses it up.

    A few days ago a Belgian TV crew encountered a train full with
    Russian corpses in body bags, not propaganda, our own crews... 60-
    80 corpses per freightcar. Russia refuses to accept them for proper
    burial... they're also not in the Russian statistics...

    The war is an awful thing who disagree with it?

    There is no such thing as a just war. So what is there to promote?
    Or to defend? Since there is no justification for war (of any kind),
    then why even bother to show up at a rally to listen to some
    politician who promotes it?

    The video which was released with survivors of the Moskva shows you
    men that are listed as "missing" after the sinking... lie upon lie
    upon lie...

    Did you show it on Ukrainian TV? Give me the URL. As for packs of lie
    and fakes there are a lot of them on both sides.

    It is general knowledge. Google is your friend. Learn how to shake
    hands, and let google show you the way.

    Russia is swamped in the most incredible bog of lies that humanity
    has ever seen... I wonder how many Russians are ashamed at being
    Russian...

    A few. As for me I despise those Ukrainian nationalists who started all this havoc more. BTW there is a good test to disclose Nazi. If some
    people destroy memorials of Red Army soldiers who fought with Hitler, glorify those who collaborate with him it is a reliable sign of
    Neo-Nazi. There are a lot of them in Ukraine and Baltic states. So it
    just impossible for me to be on their side.

    Propaganda has limits. Those limits have been reached long ago.
    Time to open your eyes to reality.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Thu May 12 04:15:07 2022
    Hello Alexander,

    [..]

    will not reply to any off topic posts in
    this area any longer. It's not because I don't like you, or want to
    talk to you, or value what you have to say. It's just because it's off
    topic here.

    I have no access to WHAT'S_HOT!

    The CONSPRCY echo would do just as well ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Thu May 12 04:15:13 2022
    Hello Alexander,

    I have already told you an analogy -- suppose in Mexico a pro
    Russian forces came to power, and they want to enter into a
    military union with Russia and Belarus. Should we expect a
    different reaction from the US?

    The USA actually faced down such an analogy without a war. It was
    called the Cuban Missile Crisis.

    AG Bobby Kennedy made a deal with his Soviet counterpart to get
    Kruschev to remove the missiles from Cuba in exchange for the US
    to remove its missiles from Turkey.

    Kruschev later admitted he never trusted Castro, as the missiles
    were never armed. He was then allowed to retire and enjoy the rest
    of his days in relative peace ...

    And in another instance, during WWI the USArmy stationed troops on
    the Mexican border as a deterrent since there was a concern that
    Mexico might become aligned with Germany.

    Long before then, in 1848, the US Army (led by Jefferson Davis) simply
    invaded Mexico and annexed half of the country as part of the USA.

    But in both of those examples, the USA did not invade the other
    country like Putin did to Ukraine.

    US soldiers rode on horseback rather than in tanks, and never flew
    airplanes of any kind. And US generals, especially those from the
    South, were unstoppable, impervious to anything that could be thrown
    at them.

    The US would either flatten Cuba down or it could be a nuclear war with the USSR. Happily a peaceful agreement with the USSR was achieved which satisfied both sides. For instance, Cuba did not become a member of the Warsaw treaty. The US gave the assurance to the USSR that it will not invade Cuba.

    JFK embarrassed himself with his ill-fated "Bay of Pigs" invasion.
    Kruschev embarrassed himself with his attempt to show Fidel Castro
    how to use nuclear missiles, who loved to smoke fine Cuban cigars
    everyplace and everywhere.

    Which explains why JFK never lifted the US embargo against Cuba.
    All them Cuban cigars flooding the US market would have put all the
    US cigar makers out of business and Fidel Castro would have become
    a multi-billionaire.

    The difference is that now the US and NATO flatly refused to make any concessions to Russia in relation to Ukraine, probably not considering Russia as a country worthy to for it. They also carry a big part of responsibility of the current crisis.

    Must be that Jewish Nazi who gummed up the works. Thinks he is
    the reincarnation of Zorro, that masked swordsman who always signed
    his name with a Z everywhere he went ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Alan Ianson on Thu May 12 04:15:18 2022
    Hello Alan,

    [..]

    This war that you support with propaganda is nonsense.

    will not reply to any off topic posts in
    this area any longer. It's not because I don't like you, or want to
    talk to you, or value what you have to say. It's just because it's off
    topic here.

    I have no access to WHAT'S_HOT!

    Any appropriate area you have access to will do.

    How about the CONSPRCY echo?

    Da Rulz are simple -

    Rule #1 - there are no rules.
    Rule #2 - see Rule #1.

    --Lee, Moderator of CONSPRCY echo

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Lee Lofaso on Wed May 11 19:45:06 2022
    I have no access to WHAT'S_HOT!

    Any appropriate area you have access to will do.

    How about the CONSPRCY echo?

    Da Rulz are simple -
    Rule #1 - there are no rules.
    Rule #2 - see Rule #1.
    --Lee, Moderator of CONSPRCY echo

    I'd rather not get into conspiracies myself, but that could work.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Alexander Koryagin on Thu May 12 00:39:00 2022
    On 05-11-22 11:04, Alexander Koryagin <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about ? <=-

    But in both of those examples, the USA did not invade the other
    country like Putin did to Ukraine.

    The US would either flatten Cuba down or it could be a nuclear war
    with the USSR.

    Those possibilities were possible, but thankfully for the world they
    were avoided.

    Happily a peaceful agreement with the USSR was achieved
    which satisfied both sides. For instance, Cuba did not become a member
    of the Warsaw treaty. The US gave the assurance to the USSR that it
    will not invade Cuba.

    The difference is that now the US and NATO flatly refused to make any concessions to Russia in relation to Ukraine, probably not considering Russia as a country worthy to for it. They also carry a big part of responsibility of the current crisis.

    What concessions to Russia in relation to Ukraine would you have
    expected. Russia invading Ukraine, and why should they have received
    any concessions from anyone for that heinous act? It is Russia and
    Russia alone that is responsible for the current crisis. That
    responsibility will no end until Russia withdraws and makes reparation
    for the enormous damage they have done to Ukraine.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Alexander Koryagin on Thu May 12 01:15:10 2022
    On 05-11-22 10:33, Alexander Koryagin <=-
    spoke to Ward Dossche about ? <=-

    Russia wanted to gain
    concrete political aims, mainly to stop fighting in Donbass.

    They could have easily done that by pulling back their support for the
    troops in Donbass.

    It was a crazy idea for
    Ukrainian regime enter in the war with Russia.

    DUH. Ukraine did not enter in war with Russia -- it was the other way
    around.

    But note, that Russian troops have not blown up a single
    bridge in Ukraine. Completely different aims.

    An attacking army would never blow up bridges. That would impede their advance. The defending army blows up bridges to impede the attacking
    army's ability to advance.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Lee Lofaso on Thu May 12 08:43:50 2022
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 11.05.2022 14:46

    ak>> The only mention about a nuclear threat in the speech was
    ak>> the claim that Ukraine wants to get nuclear weapon. Or give
    ak>> the citation from the speech text.
    LL> US President George W. Bush said the same thing in a speech
    LL> about Iraq as his main reason for invading the country. How
    LL> many nukes were found after years of searching? None. I wonder
    LL> how many nukes Putin will find in Ukraine? My guess would be
    LL> the same number as GWB found.

    Ukrainian politicians openly told of their intentions to have atomic
    weapon, and Ukraine as a state with a lot of nuclear stations was able
    to make nukes rather quickly.

    Bye, Lee!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Thu May 12 08:46:50 2022
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 11.05.2022 14:49

    WD> 1) I had a niece and a brother in law serving in Yugoslavia
    WD> under UN-flag. Just so you are aware, the UN and NATO are
    WD> not the same.

    Don't tell me a fairy-tale that the UN had sanctioned the bombing of Yugoslavia.

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Thu May 12 08:59:06 2022
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 11.05.2022 14:54

    ak>> To understand better what is going on just look how
    ak>> neo-Nazi in Latvia removed the flowers laid to the fallen
    ak>> Red Army soldiers using a bulldozer.
    WD> One does not need to be a Neo-Nazi to dislike the current
    WD> leadership in Russia. Try to live with it that even
    WD> non-Neo-Nazis at the moment harbor a significant dislike for
    WD> anything 'Russia'

    There is a big difference between Red Army soldiers fallen in WW2 and
    present Russian troops. Red Army in WW2 consisted of all the nations of
    the Soviet Union. It means that many Ukrainians, Belarussians, Georgian, Latvians also were among the soldiers who fought with Hitler and
    perished saving the world.

    The present neo-Nazi authority of some states literally raped the holy
    memory of the fallen soldiers. They demolish and vandalize monuments,
    they glorify those who collaborated with Hitler troops. The dislike of
    Russia a swinish, miserable excuse. The matter is not in the present day Russia.

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
    fido.fidonews,local.cc.ak 2022
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to August Abolins on Thu May 12 09:00:10 2022
    Hi, August Abolins!
    I read your message from 11.05.2022 15:28

    ak>>https://youtu.be/w4O0LRwmJGo?t=32
    AA> The commentator/reporter of that piece is TERRIBLE. He starts
    AA> with pre-conditioning the listener... "what you are about to
    AA> see is horrific, filled with bitterness and pain.. the
    AA> monsterous reality when everything is destroyed" BS. He's not
    AA> reporting anything. He's conditioning you to think a specific
    AA> way.

    There is no need for any comment when you see it.

    Bye, August!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Thu May 12 09:02:14 2022
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 11.05.2022 16:11

    ak>> All bridges that were blown up were blown up by the
    ak>> Ukrainian military.
    DP> No, it's another lie. As I said - who's gonna believe you now?

    Ward believes. He said the Russian troops need bridges to retreat and
    that why they don't blow them up. ;)

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Thu May 12 09:21:14 2022
    *** Answering a msg posted in area carbonArea (Carbon Area).

    Hello, alexander!

    Thursday May 12 2022 09:02, you wrote to me:

    All bridges that were blown up were blown up by the
    Ukrainian military.
    No, it's another lie. As I said - who's gonna believe you now?

    Ward believes. He said the Russian troops need bridges to retreat and
    that why they don't blow them up. ;)

    They are already blowing them in big numbers to stop advancing ukranian troops. Russia failed again.

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Thu May 12 09:28:08 2022
    Hello, alexander!

    Thursday May 12 2022 08:43, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:
    the same number as GWB found.

    Ukrainian politicians openly told of their intentions to have atomic weapon, and Ukraine as a state with a lot of nuclear stations was able
    to make nukes rather quickly.

    They never told that. It was another Putin's lie.

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Thu May 12 09:29:54 2022
    Hello, alexander!

    Thursday May 12 2022 08:46, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

    1) I had a niece and a brother in law serving in Yugoslavia
    under UN-flag. Just so you are aware, the UN and NATO are
    not the same.

    Don't tell me a fairy-tale that the UN had sanctioned the bombing of Yugoslavia.

    UN sent peace keeping forces to Yugoslavia in 1992. Russian were busy eating US sent aid during this era :)

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Lee Lofaso on Thu May 12 09:36:24 2022
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 12.05.2022 05:15

    ak>>>> I have already told you an analogy -- suppose in Mexico a pro
    ak>>>> Russian forces came to power, and they want to enter into a
    ak>>>> military union with Russia and Belarus. Should we expect a
    ak>>>> different reaction from the US?
    <skipped>
    ak>> First of all you should understand that nobody wanted to take away
    ak>> Ukraine sovereignty, to make them slaves etc. Russia wanted to
    ak>> gain concrete political aims, mainly to stop fighting in Donbass.
    ak>> By force if they don't wont to do it peacefully.

    LL> If Putin truly wanted peace in Ukraine, he would order all Russian
    LL> troops out of every square inch of the country. Including the areas
    LL> illegally annexed by Russia. But he will never do that because he
    LL> has absolutely no respect for international law, much less the
    LL> people of Ukraine or any other country.

    The matter is that the situation between Russia and Ukraine doesn't look
    like the invasion Iraq into Kuwait. The matter is not in a territory,
    the matter is in people. The divorce of the USSR republics had been done
    in a very ugly way. Tens of million of Russian appeared cut off and they
    never agreed with it. It looks like when after a divorce the children
    were ordered to be a property of one of the parents. If the children are
    grown ups and they don't agree with it it will end up with a blow sooner
    or later. You should other criteria in this case.

    LL> If a robber came up to you and held a loaded gun to your head and
    LL> demanded "Your money or your life!" he is playing nice by giving
    LL> you a choice, and might even be considered a gentleman. But if the
    LL> robber simply shoots you dead without even bothering to ask or
    LL> giving you a choice, that makes him something far worse.

    You should read some material and understand why Ukraine was actually
    divided in two before 2014.

    ak>> It was a crazy idea for Ukrainian regime enter in the war with
    ak>> Russia.

    LL> Crazy? Surrender is a choice. Not a good one, but a choice
    LL> nonetheless. Not just the loss of personal freedom, but also of
    LL> one's own life. And when that surrender means not just losing one's
    LL> own life, but also the life of one's entire country (and people),
    LL> that makes it genocide.

    Suppose Zelensky (a clever one, not an idiotic clown) would order the Ukrainian troops not to fight with Russia. Russian troops freely
    marched, show themselves whenever they wanted and that's all! The
    crippling sanctions would do the same as it now, but tens of thousands
    of Ukrainians were still alive. You should understand a simple thing if
    Russia would not lose a lot of people in this war it would be much
    easier for it to leave. Freely get, freely give away, as somebody said.
    But after such a heavy price Russia has already paid there is no such a scenario any more.

    LL> Do you think the Jews before and during WWII willingly surrendered
    LL> to Hitler knowing it meant their own deaths and those of their

    You are crazy if you compare Hitler and Putin intentions towards
    Ukrainians. ;)

    <skipped>

    ak>> The authority people in Kiev hated Russia so much that the
    ak>> compromise was not possible.

    LL> When a killer pulls a gun on you and threatens to pull the trigger,
    LL> your only option is to kill or be killed.

    Nobody would be killed if Zelensky chose a diplomatic way of solving the crisis. But he imagined that Ukraine have a lot of weapon and he can
    defeat Russia, to be Napoleon, and probably he had never read about the Pyrrhic victory. An idiot in short.

    Bye, Lee!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Lee Lofaso on Thu May 12 09:38:38 2022
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 12.05.2022 05:15

    AI>>> will not reply to any off topic posts in
    AI>>> this area any longer. It's not because I don't like
    AI>>> you, or want to talk to you, or value what you have to
    AI>>> say. It's just because it's off topic here.
    ak>> I have no access to WHAT'S_HOT!
    LL> The CONSPRCY echo would do just as well ...

    We can try to move to Debate area. The name is more neutral.

    Bye, Lee!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Thu May 12 09:41:38 2022
    Hello, alexander!

    Thursday May 12 2022 09:36, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

    The matter is that the situation between Russia and Ukraine doesn't
    look like the invasion Iraq into Kuwait. The matter is not in a
    territory, the matter is in people. The divorce of the USSR republics

    Iraq also said a lot of words about people in Kuwait. It was a lie, like with Russia and Ukraine.

    As I said - ukranians refugees want to go to EU, not to Russia. Russians for them are bloody killers, who raped and burned, stole and tortured.

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Lee Lofaso on Thu May 12 09:44:35 2022
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 12.05.2022 05:15

    ak>> The difference is that now the US and NATO flatly refused
    ak>> to make any concessions to Russia in relation to Ukraine,
    ak>> probably not considering Russia as a country worthy to for
    ak>> it. They also carry a big part of responsibility of the
    ak>> current crisis.
    LL> Must be that Jewish Nazi who gummed up the works. Thinks he is
    LL> ??the reincarnation of Zorro, that masked swordsman who always
    LL> signed his name with a Z everywhere he went ...

    I hope the movie about Zorro will not be shelved in the US. And some boy
    would not be arrested after drawing Z on a fence. ;=)

    Bye, Lee!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to alexander koryagin on Thu May 12 00:49:12 2022
    Suppose Zelensky (a clever one, not an idiotic clown) would order the Ukrainian troops not to fight with Russia. Russian troops freely
    marched, show themselves whenever they wanted and that's all!

    Russia set an invasion force into Ukraine. That was after firing missiles into Ukraine. If Russian people came to Ukraine as visitors then fine, but that is not what they did. Russia sent a large military force into Ukraine to replace the government with a puppet government of their own choosing and occupy the country and subdue it.

    Just so you know, that's not how it works!

    This was not a Zelensky thing. The people of Ukraine are not and do not want to be subject to Russia or the madman who is in charge of it.

    The crippling sanctions would do the same as it now, but tens of thousands
    of Ukrainians were still alive.

    All of the looting, raping, killing and destruction done in Ukraine was done by the Russian military at the order of Putin. Russia and Putin are at fault, not Ukraine or Ukrainians.

    You should understand a simple thing if
    Russia would not lose a lot of people in this war it would be much
    easier for it to leave. Freely get, freely give away, as somebody said.
    But after such a heavy price Russia has already paid there is no such a scenario any more.

    You dare complain about the price Russia has paid? Get the hell out of Ukraine! It's that simple. You have no business there. There is nothing for Russia in Ukraine.

    Do you think the Jews before and during WWII willingly surrendered
    to Hitler knowing it meant their own deaths and those of their

    It does not mean your own deaths. Call your soldiers home.

    You are crazy if you compare Hitler and Putin intentions towards
    Ukrainians. ;)

    It is genocide when civilians are killed en masse as they have been in Ukraine.

    When a killer pulls a gun on you and threatens to pull the trigger,
    your only option is to kill or be killed.

    Nobody would be killed if Zelensky chose a diplomatic way of solving the crisis. But he imagined that Ukraine have a lot of weapon and he can
    defeat Russia, to be Napoleon, and probably he had never read about the Pyrrhic victory. An idiot in short.

    I agree. This action by Russia is idiocy, by an idiot.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to alexander koryagin on Thu May 12 00:52:50 2022
    We can try to move to Debate area. The name is more neutral.

    I have replied to you in the DEBATE area.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Alan Ianson on Thu May 12 11:34:52 2022
    We can try to move to Debate area. The name is more neutral.

    I have replied to you in the DEBATE area.

    Have fun there, I'm not going to link another echo with another moderator ...

    \%/@rd

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Ward Dossche on Thu May 12 12:03:59 2022
    Hi Ward,

    On 2022-05-12 11:34:52, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

    I have replied to you in the DEBATE area.

    Have fun there, I'm not going to link another echo with another moderator

    There is no moderator in the DEBATE area! ;-)

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Wilfred van Velzen on Thu May 12 12:19:45 2022
    Wilfred,

    There is no moderator in the DEBATE area! ;-)

    What?

    Quick!

    Someone grab it, post echo-rules, E-list it ...

    \%/@rd

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alan Ianson on Fri May 13 10:34:14 2022
    Hi, Alan Ianson!
    I read your message from 12.05.2022 10:52

    ak>>> We can try to move to Debate area. The name is more
    ak>>> neutral.
    AI> I have replied to you in the DEBATE area.

    We can try, although, as I see it, we can also think that the word
    "fidonews" has just changed it meaning, and we discuss news in fido. ;)

    Bye, Alan!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Fri May 13 10:35:58 2022
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 12.05.2022 09:28

    LL>>> the same number as GWB found.
    ak>> Ukrainian politicians openly told of their intentions to
    ak>> have atomic weapon, and Ukraine as a state with a lot of
    ak>> nuclear stations was able to make nukes rather quickly.
    DP> They never told that. It was another Putin's lie.

    On the Munich conference (before the Putin's invasion) Zelensky
    threatened to cancel the Budapest memorandum which doesn't allow Ukraine
    to have atomic weapon.

    (in Russian) https://vnnews.ru/expressnews/na-myunkhenskoy-konferencii-zelenskiy/

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Fri May 13 10:36:22 2022
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 12.05.2022 09:29

    WD>>> 1) I had a niece and a brother in law serving in
    WD>>> Yugoslavia under UN-flag. Just so you are aware,
    WD>>> the UN and NATO are not the same.
    ak>> Don't tell me a fairy-tale that the UN had sanctioned the
    ak>> bombing of Yugoslavia.
    DP> UN sent peace keeping forces to Yugoslavia in 1992. Russian
    DP> were busy eating US sent aid during this era :)

    If you call bombing as a peace keeping troops activity you can consider
    in the same way Russian troops in Ukraine. ;)

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Fri May 13 10:49:10 2022
    *** Answering a msg posted in area carbonArea (Carbon Area).

    Hello, alexander!

    Friday May 13 2022 10:35, you wrote to me:

    Ukrainian politicians openly told of their intentions to
    have atomic weapon, and Ukraine as a state with a lot of
    nuclear stations was able to make nukes rather quickly.
    They never told that. It was another Putin's lie.

    On the Munich conference (before the Putin's invasion) Zelensky
    threatened to cancel the Budapest memorandum which doesn't allow
    Ukraine to have atomic weapon.

    But he never said that Ukraine will develop nuclear weapons. Putin never thought about this memorandum when he invaded Ukraine.
    You are just bullshiting again - Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and since that tome this document was just a toilet paper.

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Fri May 13 10:51:24 2022
    *** Answering a msg posted in area carbonArea (Carbon Area).

    Hello, alexander!

    Friday May 13 2022 10:36, you wrote to me:

    UN sent peace keeping forces to Yugoslavia in 1992. Russian
    were busy eating US sent aid during this era :)

    If you call bombing as a peace keeping troops activity you can

    As I said before - Russia did nothing to stop war in Yugoslavia, it only supported serbs.

    consider in the same way Russian troops in Ukraine. ;)

    No one took part of Yugoslavia when war ended. But Russia started invasion to get more territory.
    Russia is doing the same as Nazi Germany in 1930 and you are just repeating Putin's lies.
    Who's gonna trust you now?

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to alexander koryagin on Fri May 13 01:30:18 2022
    We can try, although, as I see it, we can also think that the word
    "fidonews" has just changed it meaning, and we discuss news in fido. ;)

    Fidonews is not world news.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Alan Ianson on Fri May 13 13:23:15 2022
    Fidonews is not world news.

    Amen to that!

    // the editor


    ..

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Fri May 13 19:00:47 2022
    Hello Alexander,

    the same number as GWB found.
    Ukrainian politicians openly told of their intentions to
    have atomic weapon, and Ukraine as a state with a lot of
    nuclear stations was able to make nukes rather quickly.
    They never told that. It was another Putin's lie.

    On the Munich conference (before the Putin's invasion) Zelensky
    threatened to cancel the Budapest memorandum which doesn't allow Ukraine to have atomic weapon.

    Ukraine willingly gave up the nukes that Russia had left behind
    in 1991. Not that it could have used them, even had it wanted to.

    But let's get real.

    Germany is not allowed to have nuclear weapons, even though it has
    the capability to make as many nuclear weapons as it wants. Yet we
    all know it will do so if it finds it necessary.

    Germany is also forbidden to use its military outside of Germany,
    even though it has the capability to do so. Yet we all know it will
    do so if it finds it necessary.

    That same can be said about Japan, which actually enshrines such
    language in its own constitution.

    The question is - who will stop Germany (and/or Japan) from doing
    what it wants if and when it chooses to do so?

    Would GWB have ordered an invasion of Iraq if Saddam Hussein
    had nuclear weapons? Was his reasoning to invade Iraq due to his
    own concerns that Iraq might soon be capable of making nuclear
    weapons? We know after the fact that Iraq had no nuclear weapons,
    or the capability to make nuclear weapons. It was all an excuse -
    a very flimsy excuse - for GWB to tell the world he had no choice
    but to invade.

    The whole world knows Ukraine has no nuclear weapons. The whole
    world also knows Ukraine does not have teh capability to make
    nuclear weapons. So what is Putin's excuse? Certainly it cannot
    be the same flimsy excuse as GWB? Or is it?

    A pre-emptive first strike. That made the USA the aggressor in
    regards to the conflict in Iraq. Not that Saddam Hussein had any
    intention of attacking the USA. The Butcher of Baghdad - the one
    guy that GWB had fingered as being the epitome of evil - had
    absolutely nothing to do with the events of 9-11.

    After a few years, US troops left Iraq. Long after GWB had
    retired from politics. Iraqis are still in Iraq, again with
    its own leadership, and doing things the Iraqi way.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dmitry Protasoff on Fri May 13 19:00:52 2022
    Hello Dmitry,

    Ukrainian politicians openly told of their intentions to
    have atomic weapon, and Ukraine as a state with a lot of
    nuclear stations was able to make nukes rather quickly.
    They never told that. It was another Putin's lie.

    On the Munich conference (before the Putin's invasion) Zelensky
    threatened to cancel the Budapest memorandum which doesn't allow
    Ukraine to have atomic weapon.

    But he never said that Ukraine will develop nuclear weapons. Putin never thought about this memorandum when he invaded Ukraine.
    You are just bullshiting again - Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and since that tome this document was just a toilet paper.

    Ukraine had returned the nukes Russia had left behind after the two
    had gotten their divorce in 1991. But that was when Zelensky was still
    a kid, having much to learn as he grew up to become a comedian.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dmitry Protasoff on Fri May 13 19:00:58 2022
    Hello Dmitry,

    [..]

    Russia is doing the same as Nazi Germany in 1930 and you are just repeating
    Putin's lies. Who's gonna trust you now?

    In May 1930, the Bund Deutscher Madel (League of German Girls) was
    established as a female alternative to the Hitler Youth.

    AFAIK, no such League of Russian Girls has ever been established
    as a female alternative to the Putin Youth.

    But I could be wrong.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Alan Ianson on Fri May 13 19:01:04 2022
    Hello Alan,

    We can try, although, as I see it, we can also think that the word
    "fidonews" has just changed it meaning, and we discuss news in fido. ;)

    Fidonews is not world news.

    It is, however, all the news there is to fit.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Wilfred van Velzen on Fri May 13 19:01:09 2022
    Hello Wilfred,

    I have replied to you in the DEBATE area.

    Have fun there, I'm not going to link another echo with another
    moderator

    There is no moderator in the DEBATE area! ;-)

    Bobby Queen retired from collecting echo tags years ago.
    At the time of his retirement, he owned 550+ echo tags.
    Not sure if that record will ever be broken ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Fri May 13 19:01:15 2022
    Hello Ward,

    There is no moderator in the DEBATE area! ;-)

    What?

    Participants own the echo, and are thus free to moderate
    themselves. Or not.

    Quick!

    Someone grab it, post echo-rules, E-list it ...

    I grabbed it, a long time ago, declared myself moderator,
    posted rules, and nobody noticed. I even elisted it in my
    notebook so nobody would ever hijack it.

    And then I lost my notebook. Never to be found again.

    That makes you the mod.

    --Lee

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Lee Lofaso on Fri May 13 19:06:08 2022
    Hi Lee,

    On 2022-05-13 19:01:09, you wrote to me:

    Have fun there, I'm not going to link another echo with another
    moderator

    There is no moderator in the DEBATE area! ;-)

    Bobby Queen retired from collecting echo tags years ago.
    At the time of his retirement, he owned 550+ echo tags.
    Not sure if that record will ever be broken ...

    I don't think there are that many areas left in Fidonet, certainly not active ones...

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to Lee Lofaso on Fri May 13 20:09:02 2022
    *** Answering a msg posted in area carbonArea (Carbon Area).

    Hello, Lee!

    Friday May 13 2022 19:00, you wrote to me:

    Putin never thought about this memorandum when he invaded
    Ukraine. You are just bullshiting again - Russia invaded Ukraine
    in 2014 and since that tome this document was just a toilet
    paper.

    Ukraine had returned the nukes Russia had left behind after the two
    had gotten their divorce in 1991. But that was when Zelensky was still
    a kid, having much to learn as he grew up to become a comedian.

    Zelensky was born in 1978, the same year as me. I was already working since 1991, kids in former SU were much more mature than in Western Europe :)

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to Lee Lofaso on Fri May 13 20:14:22 2022
    *** Answering a msg posted in area carbonArea (Carbon Area).

    Hello, Lee!

    Friday May 13 2022 19:00, you wrote to me:

    AFAIK, no such League of Russian Girls has ever been established
    as a female alternative to the Putin Youth.

    But I could be wrong.

    We've got several organizations for girls only, mostly military oriented: https://rmapo.ru/uploads/posts/2019-06/1561533894_devyatyy-vypusk-2.jpg




    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Lee Lofaso on Sat May 14 10:52:55 2022
    AFAIK, no such League of Russian Girls has ever been established
    as a female alternative to the Putin Youth.

    Then what did Samantha Smith associate with during her stay in the USSR ?

    \%/@rd

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Sun May 15 05:03:06 2022
    Hello Ward,

    AFAIK, no such League of Russian Girls has ever been established
    as a female alternative to the Putin Youth.

    Then what did Samantha Smith associate with during her stay in the USSR ?

    I did say I could be wrong.

    --Lee

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Dmitry Protasoff on Tue May 17 00:19:46 2022
    Zelensky was born in 1978, the same year as me. I was already working
    since 1991, kids in former SU were much more mature than in Western
    Europe :)

    I've also been told that Russian computers sucked ...

    \%/@rd

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to Ward Dossche on Tue May 17 12:01:50 2022
    Hello, Ward!

    Tuesday May 17 2022 00:19, you wrote to me:

    Zelensky was born in 1978, the same year as me. I was already
    working since 1991, kids in former SU were much more mature than
    in Western Europe :)

    I've also been told that Russian computers sucked ...

    My family wasn't able to buy a soviet computer, I had only programmable calculator at home ;)


    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Dmitry Protasoff on Tue May 17 11:24:10 2022
    Dmitry,

    My family wasn't able to buy a soviet computer, I had only programmable calculator at home ;)

    Not a bad deal then.

    What I learned as a youngster with limited resources was about the joy of being able to use these limited resources and turn 'm around into a much bigger thing which others with more resources couldn't comprehend.

    In the mid-90-ies my then company started with an internet unit and I applied. During the interview, when I explained about the possibility of homebased servers with dynamic IPs such as we did in Fidonet I received the reply I didn't meet the requirement as I obviously did not understand what I was talking about.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Tue May 17 16:36:27 2022
    Hello Ward,

    Zelensky was born in 1978, the same year as me. I was already working
    since 1991, kids in former SU were much more mature than in Western
    Europe :)

    I've also been told that Russian computers sucked ...

    You haven't seen a Russian abacus.

    --Lee

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to Ward Dossche on Wed May 18 02:10:42 2022
    Hello, Ward!

    Tuesday May 17 2022 11:24, you wrote to me:

    What I learned as a youngster with limited resources was about the joy
    of being able to use these limited resources and turn 'm around into a much bigger thing which others with more resources couldn't
    comprehend.

    So you wanted to live on uninhabited island? :)

    In the mid-90-ies my then company started with an internet unit and I applied. During the interview, when I explained about the possibility
    of homebased servers with dynamic IPs such as we did in Fidonet I
    received the reply I didn't meet the requirement as I obviously did
    not understand what I was talking about.

    Manager with imagination and technical skills is a rare beast, that's why so many projects fail.
    Most of them just want be part of bureaucratic machine.

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Dmitry Protasoff on Wed May 18 08:15:54 2022
    Dmitry,

    So you wanted to live on uninhabited island? :)

    In a way I have ...

    \%/@rd

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Bj?rn Felten on Thu May 19 12:15:35 2022
    Hi, Bj?rn Felten!
    I read your message from 13.05.2022 14:23

    AI>> Fidonews is not world news.
    BF> Amen to that!

    Although if we speak about the Ukraine conflict we can find in fidonews
    area how the events had been developing since 2013. Or the messages from
    me where I said what will be if Yanukovich be toppled.

    Bye, Bj?rn!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Thu May 19 12:18:02 2022
    Hello, alexander!

    Thursday May 19 2022 12:15, you wrote to Bj?rn Felten:

    Although if we speak about the Ukraine conflict we can find in
    fidonews area how the events had been developing since 2013. Or the messages from me where I said what will be if Yanukovich be toppled.

    Do you know why binkd connections to nodes in Ukraine are failing from Russia?


    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Thu May 19 12:19:47 2022
    Although if we speak about the Ukraine conflict we can find in fidonews area how the events had been developing since 2013. Or the messages from me where I said what will be if Yanukovich be toppled.

    I can only say that I'm sorry for you Alexander. That's actually the name of my brother's oldest son (Alexander Felten), and the name that my wife and I had in store for our first son before that. But he, our first son, turned out to be a she, so she is now Zandra Felten. I'm sure that she is the only person on this planet with that name, so Google may give you interesting reading.

    Anyway, as I said, I feel sorry for you. Either you are a wonderful person, that can contribute a lot to the FidoNet community, or you are just a sad human being, brainwashed by the sordid old Soviet style propaganda. If the latter is the case, you are of no use to us, so please disconnect!


    ..

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Björn Felten on Thu May 19 13:38:54 2022
    Bjorn,

    Anyway, as I said, I feel sorry for you. Either you are a wonderful
    person, that can contribute a lot to the FidoNet community, or you are
    just a sad human being, brainwashed by the sordid old Soviet style propaganda.

    I think you and I share the same warped ideas about freedom of speech.

    Here's the 17th entry in the "10 laws of Dossche on internet stuff"...

    "Lying is an ultimate form of free speech"

    And as a bonus #15 ...

    "A politician does not need to be honest, but effective"

    Both apply to our current times. I think.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Thu May 19 21:52:32 2022
    Hello Bjrn,

    Although if we speak about the Ukraine conflict we can find in fidonews
    area how the events had been developing since 2013. Or the messages
    from me where I said what will be if Yanukovich be toppled.

    I can only say that I'm sorry for you Alexander. That's actually the name of
    my brother's oldest son (Alexander Felten), and the name that my wife and I
    had in store for our first son before that. But he, our first son, turned out to be a she, so she is now Zandra Felten. I'm sure that she is the only
    person on this planet with that name, so Google may give you interesting reading.

    Like Don Quixote, I was up to the challenge! And eureka! I found it!
    With a bit of help from Mr Google, and a site in Sweden -

    There are 1,176 people who go by Zandra (first name).
    There are 27 people who go by Felten (last name).

    Put the two together and ...

    Source:

    https://www.scb.se


    Anyway, as I said, I feel sorry for you.

    Why? With the info I just gave you, it is possible there are lots
    more Zandras and Feltens that are up and about that you might never
    have known. Just think about how many undiscovered Alexanders there
    are out there waiting to be discovered ...

    Either you are a wonderful person, that can contribute a lot to the FidoNet
    community,

    Alexander has always been known as Alexander the Great. Never as
    Alexander the Lesser (until he ran across some gals in Afghanistan).

    or you are just a sad human being, brainwashed by the sordid old Soviet style propaganda. If the latter is the case, you are of no use to us, so please disconnect!

    The Soviet Union is no more, and the Taliban still rules Afghanistan.

    GWB explained it all in a speech yesterday, blaming all the problems
    in Ukraine on Iraq.

    --Lee

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Fri May 20 13:26:03 2022
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 19.05.2022 12:18

    ak>> Although if we speak about the Ukraine conflict we can find
    ak>> in fidonews area how the events had been developing since
    ak>> 2013. Or the messages from me where I said what will be if
    ak>> Yanukovich be toppled.
    DP> Do you know why binkd connections to nodes in Ukraine are
    DP> failing from Russia?

    I know only that if a certain Ghil_Zvidgzul wants to deliver Ukraine
    news to su.pol, for instance, he can do it. But I meant that fidonews
    was a political area for more than ten years, and it stores the history
    of the Ukrainian conflict. That's why it is maybe wrong to switch such a discussion into other fidoarea.

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
    fido.fidonews,local.cc.ak 2022
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Fri May 20 13:28:28 2022
    *** Answering a msg posted in area carbonArea (Carbon Area).

    Hello, alexander!

    Friday May 20 2022 13:26, you wrote to me:

    Although if we speak about the Ukraine conflict we can find
    in fidonews area how the events had been developing since
    2013. Or the messages from me where I said what will be if
    Yanukovich be toppled.
    Do you know why binkd connections to nodes in Ukraine are
    failing from Russia?

    I know only that if a certain Ghil_Zvidgzul wants to deliver Ukraine
    news to su.pol, for instance, he can do it. But I meant that fidonews

    How it's related to binkd connections to Ukraine?

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Bj?rn Felten on Fri May 20 13:31:41 2022
    Hi, Bj?rn Felten!
    I read your message from 19.05.2022 13:19

    ak>> Although if we speak about the Ukraine conflict we can find
    ak>> in fidonews area how the events had been developing since
    ak>> 2013. Or the messages from me where I said what will be if
    ak>> Yanukovich be toppled.
    BF> I can only say that I'm sorry for you Alexander. That's
    BF> actually the name of my brother's oldest son (Alexander
    BF> Felten), and the name that my wife and I had in store for our
    BF> first son before that. But he, our first son, turned out to be
    BF> a she, so she is now Zandra Felten. I'm sure that she is the only
    BF> person on this planet with that name, so Google may give you
    BF> interesting reading. Anyway, as I said, I feel sorry for you.
    BF> Either you are a wonderful person, that can contribute a lot to the
    BF> FidoNet community, or you are just a sad human being, brainwashed by
    BF> the sordid old Soviet style propaganda. If the latter is the case, you
    BF> are of no use to us, so please disconnect! ..

    The is a more simple solution -- if you don't like me, don't read my
    messages. It's easy.

    Bye, Bj?rn!
    Alexander Koryagin
    fido.fidonews,local.cc.ak 2022
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Fri May 20 17:08:11 2022
    Hello Alexander,

    [..]

    But I meant that fidonews was a political area for more than ten years, and
    it stores the history of the Ukrainian conflict. That's why it is maybe wrong to switch such a >discussion into other fidoarea.

    I am not the moderator of this echo, but it is my understanding
    that there is no limit as to what topics can be discussed in this
    forum.

    That does not mean such discussions have to be exclusively in
    the fidonews echo, as there are other echoes which also encourage
    general discussion on all topics.

    In other words, it is not really an either/or but a matter of
    preference. Some folks like their tea hot, others cold. That sort
    of thing.

    Now cold brew coffee is a different matter entirely ...

    --Lee

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alan Ianson on Mon May 23 09:17:40 2022
    Hi, Alan Ianson!
    I read your message from 12.05.2022 10:49

    ak>> Suppose Zelensky (a clever one, not an idiotic clown) would order
    ak>> the Ukrainian troops not to fight with Russia. Russian troops
    ak>> freely marched, show themselves whenever they wanted and that's
    ak>> all!

    AI> Russia set an invasion force into Ukraine. That was after firing
    AI> missiles into Ukraine. If Russian people came to Ukraine as
    AI> visitors then fine, but that is not what they did. Russia sent a
    AI> large military force into Ukraine to replace the government with a
    AI> puppet government of their own choosing and occupy the country and
    AI> subdue it.
    AI> Just so you know, that's not how it works!

    The main task of the invasion -- to stop Donbass shelling -- Russian
    troops are not able to do even now, for a while. As for a puppet
    government -- I can easily say that the present Ukrainian government is
    a puppet government of the EU, for instance, or the US. How do we define
    which government is a puppet one? If a country wants to keep strong
    relations with another strong country it becomes a puppet?

    AI> This was not a Zelensky thing. The people of Ukraine are not and do
    AI> not want to be subject to Russia or the madman who is in charge of
    AI> it.

    Russians in Ukraine will say themselves who are they want to be free of.
    When they will be free of nationalists threats. But I am afraid Kiev
    will be dissatisfied and have a pity for itself that it didn't follow
    Minsk agreements.

    ak>> The crippling sanctions would do the same as it now, but tens of
    ak>> thousands of Ukrainians were still alive.

    AI> All of the looting, raping, killing and destruction done in Ukraine
    AI> was done by the Russian military at the order of Putin. Russia and
    AI> Putin are at fault, not Ukraine or Ukrainians.

    You look into a distorting mirror of news. For instance, when there is
    Russia takes thousands of prisoners in Ukraine you believe the Kiev
    news that they are evacuated into Russia. ;=)

    ak>> You should understand a simple thing if Russia would not lose a
    ak>> lot of people in this war it would be much easier for it to leave.
    ak>> Freely get, freely give away, as somebody said. But after such a
    ak>> heavy price Russia has already paid there is no such a scenario
    ak>> any more.

    AI> You dare complain about the price Russia has paid? Get the hell out
    AI> of Ukraine! It's that simple. You have no business there. There is
    AI> nothing for Russia in Ukraine.

    I said to you that such an invasion cannot be without a very serious
    reason. You prefer don't see it, and it your mistake.

    AI>>> Do you think the Jews before and during WWII willingly
    AI>>> surrendered to Hitler knowing it meant their own deaths and those
    AI>>> of their
    AI> It does not mean your own deaths. Call your soldiers home.

    ak>> You are crazy if you compare Hitler and Putin intentions towards
    ak>> Ukrainians. ;)

    AI> It is genocide when civilians are killed en masse as they have been
    AI> in Ukraine.

    After American carnages around the world, where it killed millions of
    people, Russia in Ukraine is just an innocent girl. ;-) Look in the
    right mirror in short.

    AI>>> When a killer pulls a gun on you and threatens to pull the
    AI>>> trigger, your only option is to kill or be killed.

    ak>> Nobody would be killed if Zelensky chose a diplomatic way of
    ak>> solving the crisis. But he imagined that Ukraine have a lot of
    ak>> weapon and he can defeat Russia, to be Napoleon, and probably he
    ak>> had never read about the Pyrrhic victory. An idiot in short.

    AI> I agree. This action by Russia is idiocy, by an idiot.

    I assure you that many idiots are guilty in the current situation, and
    one one them a fucking actor-clown who cannot tell a movie from reality.

    Bye, Alan!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to alexander koryagin on Sun May 22 23:48:58 2022
    The main task of the invasion -- to stop Donbass shelling -- Russian

    I will reply in the DEBATE area shortly.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Mon May 23 09:28:50 2022
    The main task of the invasion -- to stop Donbass shelling -- Russian
    troops are not able to do even now, for a while.

    Listen, the Russian army has always been believed to be a mighty fighting force.

    It has now been kept in check by Ukrainian forces ... planes have been shot down, helicopters have been shot down, hundreds of tanks have been destroyed, thousands and thousands of Russian soldiers annihilated, the cruiser Moskva to the bottom of the Black sea ... and you seriously believe a handful of rag-tag pro-Russian rebels in the Donbas have the fighting power to stop that Ukrainian fighting machine and fight a trench war for 8 years?

    I say that if Ukraine wanted to recapture Donbas, which is part of Ukraine as it is, it should have been 'piece of cake'. The only reason why it didn't happen was not to hurt the civilian population ... a tad different than what Russian forces have committed inside Ukraine.

    But if the Donbas rebels really have that fighting power, how unlikely as it is, then it was already the Russian army there ... for 8 years ... and the fighting didn't erupt large scale simply to NOT start a war with Russia.

    Now that Russia started it itself the Genie is out of the bottle...

    I said to you that such an invasion cannot be without a very serious reason. You prefer don't see it, and it your mistake.

    This is not an invasion "to set things right" as it is claimed, the people are not saved, the invaders were not welcomed as liberatorsm the infrastructure was not saved, mass famine in Africa is created... it's genocide, every aspect of it.

    After American ....

    Please stop referencing America as a justification for Ukraine. We have commented aloud in those days. The difference being is that the USA still elects its leaders, even if they are morons, and if they don't like them they'll elect someone else. You can speak your mind in the USA without being imprisoned, newspapers with free reporting can be published ... you will not be arrested and sentenced to 15 years merely for saying there's a war in Ukraine or even hold a banner with simply "No War" on it.

    I assure you that many idiots are guilty in the current situation, and
    one one them a fucking actor-clown who cannot tell a movie from reality.

    Seems like he's doing a pretty good job ...

    Several Ukrainian nodes sending interesting messages and photos from local situation ... no news agencies ... our own people ...

    \%/@rd

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Mon May 23 10:40:04 2022
    Hello, alexander!

    Monday May 23 2022 09:17, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

    I agree. This action by Russia is idiocy, by an idiot.

    I assure you that many idiots are guilty in the current situation, and
    one one them a fucking actor-clown who cannot tell a movie from
    reality.

    I think he is smart and strong man. Not an old stupid Putin, who is idiot enough to live in 21 centery wthout using a computer :)

    In modern Russia you can't go to city center with slogan "Stop fascism" because you'll be detained by police. This is our reality.

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Dmitry Protasoff on Mon May 23 10:13:35 2022
    Dmitry,

    In modern Russia you can't go to city center with slogan "Stop fascism" because you'll be detained by police. This is our reality.

    What about a sign with "Stop Farting" ?

    There was this girl arrested for holding up an empty sign ....

    \%/@rd

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to Ward Dossche on Mon May 23 11:17:02 2022
    *** Answering a msg posted in area carbonArea (Carbon Area).

    Hello, Ward!

    Monday May 23 2022 10:13, you wrote to me:

    In modern Russia you can't go to city center with slogan "Stop
    fascism" because you'll be detained by police. This is our
    reality.

    What about a sign with "Stop Farting" ?

    There was this girl arrested for holding up an empty sign ....

    They even arrested man with slogan "Jesus for peace".
    Empty sign was a crime even before the war - who knows what you were really trying to say? May be something terrible against our Great Leader!

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Dmitry Protasoff on Mon May 23 10:40:37 2022
    Dmitry,

    They even arrested man with slogan "Jesus for peace".
    Empty sign was a crime even before the war - who knows what you were
    really trying to say? May be something terrible against our Great Leader!

    A store here now started selling Ukrainian beer ... let's support the Ukraine economy, I'm all for it ... <hips>

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Mon May 23 15:57:08 2022
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 23.05.2022 10:40

    AI>>> I agree. This action by Russia is idiocy, by an idiot.
    ak>> I assure you that many idiots are guilty in the current
    ak>> situation, and one one them a fucking actor-clown who
    ak>> cannot tell a movie from reality.
    DP> I think he is smart and strong man. Not an old stupid Putin,
    DP> who is idiot enough to live in 21 centery wthout using a
    DP> computer :) In modern Russia you can't go to city center with
    DP> slogan "Stop fascism" because you'll be detained by police. This
    is our
    DP> reality.

    Well, try to show a slogan "Stop Nazi!" in Kiev. ;=) I have already told
    you that the two snakes devouring each other have many similar traits.

    PS: But I repeat, a shorter one will ended quicker. And Zelensky-idiot
    also hasn't learnt from history how it is dangerous to fight with Russia.

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
    fido.fidonews,local.cc.ak 2022
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Mon May 23 16:12:48 2022
    *** Answering a msg posted in area carbonArea (Carbon Area).

    Hello, alexander!

    Monday May 23 2022 15:57, you wrote to me:

    Well, try to show a slogan "Stop Nazi!" in Kiev. ;=) I have already

    It's not a problem to show such slogan in Kyiv. You don't know that?!

    PS: But I repeat, a shorter one will ended quicker. And Zelensky-idiot
    also hasn't learnt from history how it is dangerous to fight with
    Russia.

    He is not an idiot. He is a smart guy, brave man.
    The idiot is Putin who decided to bring war to Ukraine and decided to start a war with 40+ countries which now sending aid to Ukraine.

    Ukaine was part of Soviet Union, and the whole narrative for soviet soldier was to "fight till death". And Ukranians are fighting.
    They already shown to the world that Russian army could be defeated, that it's weak and has terrible morale.



    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Mon May 23 20:28:00 2022
    Alexander,

    PS: But I repeat, a shorter one will ended quicker. And Zelensky-idiot
    also hasn't learnt from history how it is dangerous to fight with Russia.

    Do you need a list of famous Russian defeats? Or can you make it yourself?

    \%/@rd

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Tue May 24 08:42:31 2022
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 23.05.2022 10:28

    ak>> The main task of the invasion -- to stop Donbass shelling --
    ak>> Russian troops are not able to do even now, for a while.

    WD> Listen, the Russian army has always been believed to be a mighty
    WD> fighting force.

    WD> It has now been kept in check by Ukrainian forces... planes have
    WD> been shot down, helicopters have been shot down, hundreds of tanks
    WD> have been destroyed, thousands and thousands of Russian soldiers
    WD> annihilated, the cruiser Moskva to the bottom of the Black sea...
    WD> and you seriously believe a handful of rag-tag pro-Russian rebels
    WD> in the Donbas have the fighting power to stop that Ukrainian
    WD> fighting machine and fight a trench war for 8 years?

    The war in Donbass can be divided it two parts. First part was when a
    poor and unprepared Ukrainian military tried to capture Donbass in
    2014/2015. They had been encircled in Debaltcevo pocket, and Kiev had to
    agree to sit for negotiations in Minsk(I/II), as a weak side. The
    conflict had been frozen, heavy guns removed for the front line. The
    things have changed when Ukraine completed a great renovation of its
    military. They produced and bought such a lot of weapon that they
    started to think that with such weapon it is ridiculous to follow Minsk agreements, and they have enough strength to cut the rebels throats.
    Last year they started to built up a mighty group in Donbass to solve
    the conflict by a military way. Exactly since this time shelling of
    Donbass has begun a routine business. Ukrainians are hypocrites when
    they blame Russia for the current escalation.

    WD> I say that if Ukraine wanted to recapture Donbas, which is part of
    WD> Ukraine as it is, it should have been 'piece of cake'. The only
    WD> reason why it didn't happen was not to hurt the civilian
    WD> population... a tad different than what Russian forces have
    WD> committed inside Ukraine.

    Yes, it is true -- nowadays it was practically impossible to capture
    towns without destroying them. The same problem is when Putin tries "to liberate" Russians from their Ukrainian defenders. ;-)

    According to official Ukraine sources there are about 50000 Donbass
    fighters -- quite enough to maintain resistance. https://rian.com.ua/politics/20171128/1029852333/Avakov-nazval-chislennost-voysk-DNR-LNR-Donbass.html

    So it is a mistake of yours that Donbass has been defended for 8 years
    by the regular Russian troops.

    <skipped>

    ak>> I said to you that such an invasion cannot be without a very
    ak>> serious reason. You prefer don't see it, and it your mistake.

    WD> This is not an invasion "to set things right" as it is claimed, the
    WD> people are not saved, the invaders were not welcomed as liberatorsm
    WD> the infrastructure was not saved, mass famine in Africa is
    WD> created... it's genocide, every aspect of it.

    Don't don't take in faith the words from the censored Ukrainian media
    (as well as the Russian one). Let's wait what the citizens of
    eastern/southern Ukraine will say by themselves. It will be the moment
    of the truth for all.

    ak>> After American....

    WD> Please stop referencing America as a justification for Ukraine. We
    WD> have commented aloud in those days. The difference being is that
    WD> the USA still elects its leaders, even if they are morons, and if
    WD> they don't like them they'll elect someone else. You can speak your
    WD> mind in the USA without being imprisoned, newspapers with free
    WD> reporting can be published... you will not be arrested and
    WD> sentenced to 15 years merely for saying there's a war in Ukraine or
    WD> even hold a banner with simply "No War" on it.

    Julian Assange will appreciate your words. ;-) And I know many people
    who lost their job trying to explain Russia stance in the Ukraine
    conflict. It is a so called fucking freedom of speech.

    ak>> I assure you that many idiots are guilty in the current situation,
    ak>> and one one them a fucking actor-clown who cannot tell a movie
    ak>> from reality.

    WD> Seems like he's doing a pretty good job...

    The first thing he must do is to read some history books and learn what
    would become to those to wanted defeat Russia. It is a poor idea for any country and it is not a movie.

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Tue May 24 08:48:13 2022
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 23.05.2022 16:12

    ak>> Well, try to show a slogan "Stop Nazi!" in Kiev. ;=) I have
    ak>> already

    DP> It's not a problem to show such slogan in Kyiv. You don't know
    DP> that?!

    I don't believe that you put a Bandera's photo on your slogan. ;-) You
    will be take away quicker that from the Red Square. ;-) But well, I see
    you don't treat a Nazi collaborator Bandera, the hero of the modern
    Ukraine, as a Nazi. But anyway, don't put this photo on your slogan, be careful.

    ak>> PS: But I repeat, a shorter one will ended quicker. And Zelensky-
    ak>> idiot also hasn't learnt from history how it is dangerous to fight
    ak>> with Russia.

    DP> He is not an idiot. He is a smart guy, brave man. The idiot is
    DP> Putin who decided to bring war to Ukraine and decided to start a
    DP> war with 40+ countries which now sending aid to Ukraine.

    The matter here is not in weapon, but in people and their motivation to
    risk their lives.

    DP> Ukaine was part of Soviet Union, and the whole narrative for soviet
    DP> soldier was to "fight till death". And Ukranians are fighting. They
    DP> already shown to the world that Russian army could be defeated,
    DP> that it's weak and has terrible morale.

    They show nothing. I said many times why Russian army cannot sweep
    across Ukraine as a steamroller flattening everyone who fight against it.

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Tue May 24 08:50:49 2022
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 23.05.2022 21:28

    ak>> PS: But I repeat, a shorter one will ended quicker. And
    ak>> Zelensky-idiot also hasn't learnt from history how it is
    ak>> dangerous to fight with Russia.
    WD> Do you need a list of famous Russian defeats? Or can you make
    WD> it yourself?

    Russian defeats always ended up with returning back all it lost and
    always some more. ;=)

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Tue May 24 12:10:58 2022
    *** Answering a msg posted in area carbonArea (Carbon Area).

    Hello, alexander!

    Tuesday May 24 2022 08:48, you wrote to me:

    Well, try to show a slogan "Stop Nazi!" in Kiev. ;=) I have
    already

    It's not a problem to show such slogan in Kyiv. You don't know
    that?!

    I don't believe that you put a Bandera's photo on your slogan. ;-) You

    Why not?! There were protests in Kyiv with anti-Bandera slogans.

    will be take away quicker that from the Red Square. ;-) But well, I

    You'll taken to jail in Russian with any slogan which is not "I love our Great Leader Putin" ;)

    see you don't treat a Nazi collaborator Bandera, the hero of the
    modern Ukraine, as a Nazi. But anyway, don't put this photo on your slogan, be careful.

    Stalin was also Nazi collaborator (together with Hitler invaded Poland), he killed more Russians than Bandera, btw.
    But who cares about Russian's lives? Nobody.
    Do you care about more than million Russians who died last year? :)

    He is not an idiot. He is a smart guy, brave man. The idiot is
    Putin who decided to bring war to Ukraine and decided to start a
    war with 40+ countries which now sending aid to Ukraine.

    The matter here is not in weapon, but in people and their motivation
    to risk their lives.

    And Ukranians are ready to fight. They already pushed Russian forces from Kyiev and Kharkov.

    Ukaine was part of Soviet Union, and the whole narrative for
    soviet soldier was to "fight till death". And Ukranians are
    fighting. They already shown to the world that Russian army
    could be defeated, that it's weak and has terrible morale.

    They show nothing. I said many times why Russian army cannot sweep
    across Ukraine as a steamroller flattening everyone who fight against
    it.

    Russian army is doing exactly this. Russian army is bunch of poor guys who were beating shit out of each other during peacefull time, and now marauding in Ukraine and killing ordinary Ukranians because they have only shit inside their heads, otherwise they won't be in army on such low-level positions.


    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Tue May 24 12:41:52 2022
    Hello, alexander!

    Tuesday May 24 2022 08:50, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

    Russian defeats always ended up with returning back all it lost and
    always some more. ;=)

    Like it lost Port Arthur, for example, to Japan? :)
    You even don't know (like 99% of Russians) how it's called today!

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Tue May 24 12:43:54 2022
    Hello, alexander!

    Tuesday May 24 2022 08:42, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

    The war in Donbass can be divided it two parts. First part was when a
    poor and unprepared Ukrainian military tried to capture Donbass in

    First part is when Russia sent fighter to Donbass after it took Crimea from Ukraine.
    You miss that part, why?

    Minsk agreements, and they have enough strength to cut the rebels
    throats. Last year they started to built up a mighty group in Donbass
    to solve the conflict by a military way. Exactly since this time
    shelling of Donbass has begun a routine business. Ukrainians are hypocrites when they blame Russia for the current escalation.

    Last year was the most quiet year, with minimum number of killed people since 2014.
    Numbers are public.

    So Putin saw that this conflict is going to stop soon completely and decided to launch full scale war.

    Julian Assange will appreciate your words. ;-) And I know many people
    who lost their job trying to explain Russia stance in the Ukraine conflict. It is a so called fucking freedom of speech.

    Lost their job?! Come on! There were some rallies in EU with pro-Russian slogans. Those people are still ok.
    There is no freedom of speach in Russia at all.

    In Russia torture in police/jails is something normal, courts are just a joke and anyone could be jailed because State decided to do this.

    Seems like he's doing a pretty good job...

    The first thing he must do is to read some history books and learn
    what would become to those to wanted defeat Russia. It is a poor idea
    for any country and it is not a movie.

    What happened to USA or UK? :)

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Tue May 24 11:55:36 2022
    The things have changed when Ukraine completed a great renovation of its military. They produced and bought such a lot of weapon ...

    Hmmmm ... Russian weapons I think, which is why the Russian 153mm shells cannot be fired by western 155mm guns. Interesting, I used to be an artillery officer many many pounds ago.

    Anyway, Ukraine is going to be a wealthy country in terms of scrap metal scattered around the country ...

    According to official Ukraine sources there are about 50000 Donbass fighters -- quite enough to maintain resistance.

    Even that I take to be propaganda of some sorts. 50000 fighters means people who are economically unavailable to the Donbas-region. Its economy, in my view, cannot lose 50000 people without suffering ... for 8 years.

    So it is a mistake of yours that Donbass has been defended for 8 years
    by the regular Russian troops.

    Uncompromised satellite photos often tell different stories.

    Don't don't take in faith the words from the censored Ukrainian media

    We have our own media there, Alexander. We do not need the Ukrainians. Plus there have been enough R46-sysops witnessing already.

    Julian Assange will appreciate your words. ;-) And I know many people
    who lost their job trying to explain Russia stance in the Ukraine
    conflict. It is a so called fucking freedom of speech.

    1) Julian Assange is a victim of warped nationalistic politics of the same
    level as what Erdogan is doing now ...

    2) Freedom of speech knows no limitations, either it is or it isn't ... (Oops
    just invented a new "Law of Dossche"). Several people also have a warped
    interpretation of that...

    The first thing he must do is to read some history books and learn what would become to those to wanted defeat Russia. It is a poor idea for any country and it is not a movie.

    First, there are some countries that conventionally never can be defeated.

    Second, after the successful Russian campaign when the Battle for Stalingrad had concluded, the Russian military was only good for humiliation and defeat ... the uprisings in Berlin, Budapest, Chzecho-Slovakia, Poland ... it was always the same ... "military exercices only" followed by invasion (well, not Poland) and then Russian soldiers not welcomed as liberators and confused as they had no cue why they were there ... same now in Ukraine. Add to that the defeat in Afghanistan. The Russian navy is only famous for its sinkings (good thing there's this movie 'The Hunt For Red October') and its Air Force for shooting down civilian airliners ...

    But ... freedom of speech ... maybe one day we'll meet and have a beer which you will need to pay for after my willingness to listen to so much drivel.

    Take care,

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to Ward Dossche on Tue May 24 13:07:00 2022
    Hello, Ward!

    Monday May 23 2022 10:40, you wrote to me:

    They even arrested man with slogan "Jesus for peace".
    Empty sign was a crime even before the war - who knows what you
    were really trying to say? May be something terrible against our
    Great Leader!

    A store here now started selling Ukrainian beer ... let's support the Ukraine economy, I'm all for it ... <hips>

    I'll support belgian economy buying belgian beer and then you'll spend this support for Ukraine :)


    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Tue May 24 23:48:44 2022
    Hello War,

    [..]

    thing there's this movie 'The Hunt For Red October')

    Sean Connery, the only Russian admiral from Scotland.

    ... and its Air Force for shooting down civilian airliners ...

    The USSR bagged a Korean airliner, the US bagged an Iranian airliner.
    Belgium is not competent enough to shoot down any civilian airliners.

    But ... freedom of speech ... maybe one day we'll meet and have a beer which
    you will need to pay for after my willingness to listen to so much drivel.

    My true stories? Only in Cajun French ...

    --Lee

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Lee Lofaso on Wed May 25 00:18:36 2022
    ... and its Air Force for shooting down civilian airliners ...

    The USSR bagged a Korean airliner, ...

    The Russian Air Force bagged 2 (two) South Korean airliners ... pls get your facts straight ...

    ...the US bagged an Iranian airliner.

    That was the US Navy.

    Belgium is not competent enough to shoot down any civilian airliners.

    Who do you think shot down Dag Hammarskjold's DC6 in 1961 you think?

    \%/@rd

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Wed May 25 01:25:12 2022
    Who do you think shot down Dag Hammarskjold's DC6 in 1961 you think?

    Union Minire du Haut-Katanga?



    ..

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Björn Felten on Wed May 25 01:34:34 2022
    Who do you think shot down Dag Hammarskjold's DC6 in 1961 you think?

    Union Minire du Haut-Katanga?

    Belgian pilot ... special modified Fuga-Magister to handle the range ... lived in my home town of Mortsel, died in 2007.

    I was 10 years old and Dag Hammarskjold was respected by all ... I truly believe world history, certainly African, got a twist that day.

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Lee Lofaso on Tue May 24 16:59:38 2022
    Re: ?
    By: Lee Lofaso to Ward Dossche on Tue May 24 2022 11:48 pm

    thing there's this movie 'The Hunt For Red October')

    Sean Connery, the only Russian admiral from Scotland.

    And the only Scottish Spaniard, in Highlander. Hearing him pronouce his character's name is especially hilarious - Juan Sanchez-Villalobos Ramirez.

    I bet you're hearing him say that as you read it.
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Kurt Weiske on Wed May 25 07:02:37 2022
    Hello Kurt,

    thing there's this movie 'The Hunt For Red October')

    Sean Connery, the only Russian admiral from Scotland.

    And the only Scottish Spaniard, in Highlander. Hearing him pronouce his character's name is especially hilarious - Juan Sanchez-Villalobos Ramirez.

    Yeah. He really lost his head in that one.

    I bet you're hearing him say that as you read it.

    Who could ever forget?

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Wed May 25 07:02:43 2022
    Hello Ward,

    ... and its Air Force for shooting down civilian airliners ...

    The USSR bagged a Korean airliner, ...

    The Russian Air Force bagged 2 (two) South Korean airliners ... pls get your
    facts straight ...

    Two cases of mistaken identity rather than just one. Still not bad.

    ...the US bagged an Iranian airliner.

    That was the US Navy.

    No wonder it happened over water.

    Belgium is not competent enough to shoot down any civilian airliners.

    Who do you think shot down Dag Hammarskjold's DC6 in 1961 you think?

    It wasn't as if they did it on purpose ...

    --Lee

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Wed May 25 09:19:08 2022
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 24.05.2022 12:10

    ak>>>> Well, try to show a slogan "Stop Nazi!" in Kiev. ;=) I have
    ak>>>> already
    DP>>> It's not a problem to show such slogan in Kyiv. You don't know
    DP>>> that?!
    ak>> I don't believe that you put a Bandera's photo on your slogan. ;-)

    DP> Why not?! There were protests in Kyiv with anti-Bandera slogans.

    There were. Until 2014. ;)

    ak>> You will be taken away quicker than from the Red Square. ;-) But
    well,
    DP> You'll taken to jail in Russian with any slogan which is not "I
    DP> love our Great Leader Putin" ;)

    Yeah, a poor choice for Russians in Ukraine, I've said it already. ;-)

    ak>> I see you don't treat a Nazi collaborator Bandera, the hero of the
    ak>> modern Ukraine, as a Nazi. But anyway, don't put this photo on
    ak>> your slogan, be careful.

    DP> Stalin was also Nazi collaborator (together with Hitler invaded
    DP> Poland), he killed more Russians than Bandera, btw. But who cares
    DP> about Russian's lives? Nobody. Do you care about more than million
    DP> Russians who died last year? :)

    Stalin just returned the land that Poland had captured shamelessly
    during the havoc of the Russian revolution in 1917. It was only fair.

    DP>>> He is not an idiot. He is a smart guy, brave man. The idiot is
    DP>>> Putin who decided to bring war to Ukraine and decided to start a
    DP>>> war with 40+ countries which now sending aid to Ukraine.

    It is not the war with 40+ countries. It it were, it would be WW3 and a
    nuke winter.

    ak>> The matter here is not in weapon, but in people and their
    ak>> motivation to risk their lives.

    DP> And Ukranians are ready to fight. They already pushed Russian
    DP> forces from Kyiev and Kharkov.

    I would not bite on the Ukraine propaganda so easily. IMHO, Russian
    troops just began acting less insane and more methodically. Only God
    knows how did they act at the beginning. ;=)

    DP>>> fighting. They already shown to the world that Russian army could
    DP>>> be defeated, that it's weak and has terrible morale.
    ak>> They show nothing. I said many times why Russian army cannot sweep
    ak>> across Ukraine as a steamroller flattening everyone who fight
    ak>> against it.

    DP> Russian army is doing exactly this. Russian army is bunch of poor
    DP> guys who were beating shit out of each other during peacefull time,
    DP> and now marauding in Ukraine and killing ordinary Ukranians because
    DP> they have only shit inside their heads, otherwise they won't be in
    DP> army on such low-level positions.

    It is not true, because if it were the truth the Putin's operation would
    have no sense. You say, "Russian troops go to Ukraine to loot, kill and
    rape poor ordinary Ukrainians" -- it is so awkward a lie that only
    naive, weak-headed can believe your words.

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Wed May 25 09:20:07 2022
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 24.05.2022 12:41

    ak>> Russian defeats always ended up with returning back all it
    ak>> lost and always some more. ;=)
    DP> Like it lost Port Arthur, for example, to Japan? :)
    DP> You even don't know (like 99% of Russians) how it's called
    DP> today!

    The only reason why Russia didn't take the whole Manchuria together with
    Port Arthur is that these territory had never belonged to Japan. ;=)
    China is another story. Tsarist Russia indeed leased this town from
    China as military base, and the USSR and Russia now could still have it,
    but another Ukrainian fucking idiot Khrushchev (the USSR leader) had
    returned it to China. ;-)

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Wed May 25 09:39:04 2022
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 24.05.2022 12:43

    ak>> The war in Donbass can be divided it two parts. First part was
    ak>> when a poor and unprepared Ukrainian military tried to capture
    ak>> Donbass in

    DP> First part is when Russia sent fighter to Donbass after it took
    DP> Crimea from Ukraine. You miss that part, why?

    Even western media didn't say that Russian troops invaded into Donbass
    in 2014.

    ak>> Minsk agreements, and they have enough strength to cut the rebels
    ak>> throats. Last year they started to built up a mighty group in
    ak>> Donbass to solve the conflict by a military way. Exactly since
    ak>> this time shelling of Donbass has begun a routine business.
    ak>> Ukrainians are hypocrites when they blame Russia for the current
    ak>> escalation.

    DP> Last year was the most quiet year, with minimum number of killed
    DP> people since 2014. Numbers are public.

    Escalation started at the end of 2021.

    DP> So Putin saw that this conflict is going to stop soon completely
    DP> and decided to launch full scale war.

    I said many times that IMHO it is a reckless operation. But the world
    knew well about this operation for months and Zelensky if he were not an idiot, could use diplomacy to solve the Donbass problem peacefully.

    ak>> Julian Assange will appreciate your words. ;-) And I know many
    ak>> people who lost their job trying to explain Russia stance in the
    ak>> Ukraine conflict. It is a so called fucking freedom of speech.

    DP> Lost their job?! Come on! There were some rallies in EU with pro-
    DP> Russian slogans. Those people are still ok. There is no freedom of
    DP> speach in Russia at all.

    There was not free speech in the West, and everybody knows it. To say something good about Russia as impossible as to say something bad about
    gays. ;-) Shut up or you lose your career.

    <skipped>
    ak>> The first thing he must do is to read some history books and learn
    ak>> what would become to those to wanted defeat Russia. It is a poor
    ak>> idea for any country and it is not a movie.

    DP> What happened to USA or UK? :)

    I told you about Ukraine, not about the hidden warmongers who push it
    into a war with Russia until the last soldier.
    As for big countries, you should think about the present situation in
    the world as about a Wild West saloon. Everybody are polite with each
    other while all the fingers are on triggers. The main thing is not
    mixing Russia with Iraq or Afghanistan.

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Wed May 25 09:57:33 2022
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 24.05.2022 12:55

    ak>> According to official Ukraine sources there are about 50000
    ak>> Donbass fighters -- quite enough to maintain resistance.

    WD> Even that I take to be propaganda of some sorts. 50000 fighters
    WD> means people who are economically unavailable to the Donbas-region.
    WD> Its economy, in my view, cannot lose 50000 people without
    WD> suffering... for 8 years.

    ak>> So it is a mistake of yours that Donbass has been defended for 8
    ak>> years by the regular Russian troops.

    WD> Uncompromised satellite photos often tell different stories.

    Just for interest, tell me the number of Russian troops in Donbass till
    2022 according to your sources.

    <skipped>
    ak>> Julian Assange will appreciate your words. ;-) And I know many
    ak>> people who lost their job trying to explain Russia stance in the
    ak>> Ukraine conflict. It is a so called fucking freedom of speech.

    WD> 1) Julian Assange is a victim of warped nationalistic politics of
    WD> the same level as what Erdogan is doing now...

    I don't understood how your words comply with the full freedom on speech
    in the West.

    WD> 2) Freedom of speech knows no limitations, either it is or it
    WD> isn't... (Oops just invented a new "Law of Dossche"). Several
    WD> people also have a warped interpretation of that...

    It is easy now to shut up everybody. You just say that he tells a lie.

    ak>> The first thing he must do is to read some history books and learn
    ak>> what would become to those to wanted defeat Russia. It is a poor
    ak>> idea for any country and it is not a movie.

    WD> First, there are some countries that conventionally never can be
    WD> defeated.

    WD> Second, after the successful Russian campaign when the Battle for
    WD> Stalingrad had concluded, the Russian military was only good for
    WD> humiliation and defeat... the uprisings in Berlin, Budapest,
    WD> Chzecho-Slovakia, Poland... it was always the same... "military

    Where have you seen defeats?

    WD> exercices only" followed by invasion (well, not Poland) and then
    WD> Russian soldiers not welcomed as liberators and confused as they
    WD> had no cue why they were there... same now in Ukraine. Add to that
    WD> the defeat in Afghanistan. The Russian navy is only famous for its

    Tell me -- if you stop trying to eat a cactus -- will it be your defeat
    or showing some brains? ;-)

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Wed May 25 10:19:40 2022
    *** Answering a msg posted in area carbonArea (Carbon Area).

    Hello, alexander!

    Wednesday May 25 2022 09:19, you wrote to me:

    Why not?! There were protests in Kyiv with anti-Bandera slogans.

    There were. Until 2014. ;)

    When everyone found that Russia is real enemy?

    At the same time stading with empty paper in hands in Moscow is a crime :)_ This is 1984, like Orwell predicted.
    This is your Russia.

    You'll taken to jail in Russian with any slogan which is not "I
    love our Great Leader Putin" ;)

    Yeah, a poor choice for Russians in Ukraine, I've said it already. ;-)

    As I said - even Russian citizens in Ukraine were killed because Russian embassy never bothered to evacuate them before the war.
    Becase no one cares about Russians.

    Stalin just returned the land that Poland had captured shamelessly
    during the havoc of the Russian revolution in 1917. It was only fair.

    So it's okay to return the whole Russia to Mongolia? :)
    Stalin was a Hitelr's partner in crime, and now it's a crime to Russia to say this.

    He is not an idiot. He is a smart guy, brave man. The idiot is
    Putin who decided to bring war to Ukraine and decided to start
    a war with 40+ countries which now sending aid to Ukraine.

    It is not the war with 40+ countries. It it were, it would be WW3 and
    a nuke winter.

    They are supplying weapons to Ukraine, and Ukraine is brave enough to show that it's ready to fight for it's future.

    And Ukranians are ready to fight. They already pushed Russian
    forces from Kyiev and Kharkov.

    I would not bite on the Ukraine propaganda so easily. IMHO, Russian
    troops just began acting less insane and more methodically. Only God
    knows how did they act at the beginning. ;=)

    Only Putin knows? Because it was his idea.
    He is not a military man, never was in army.

    Russian army is doing exactly this. Russian army is bunch of
    poor guys who were beating shit out of each other during
    peacefull time, and now marauding in Ukraine and killing
    ordinary Ukranians because they have only shit inside their
    heads, otherwise they won't be in army on such low-level
    positions.

    It is not true, because if it were the truth the Putin's operation
    would have no sense. You say, "Russian troops go to Ukraine to loot,
    kill and rape poor ordinary Ukrainians" -- it is so awkward a lie that only naive, weak-headed can believe your words.

    You can find those facts all over the internet/telegram.

    And you were caught lying many times ;)


    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Wed May 25 10:31:58 2022
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    Hello, alexander!

    Wednesday May 25 2022 09:20, you wrote to me:

    Like it lost Port Arthur, for example, to Japan? :)
    You even don't know (like 99% of Russians) how it's called
    today!

    The only reason why Russia didn't take the whole Manchuria together
    with Port Arthur is that these territory had never belonged to Japan.

    In fact Japan kicked our butt from there.

    ;=) China is another story. Tsarist Russia indeed leased this town
    from China as military base, and the USSR and Russia now could still
    have it, but another Ukrainian fucking idiot Khrushchev (the USSR
    leader) had returned it to China. ;-)

    Khruschev was much less fucking idiot than Stalin because it saw people as more important thing than territory.
    As I said before - no one in Russia cares now about Russians, more than million died last year from COVID and no one is unhappy.

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Wed May 25 10:35:54 2022
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    Hello, alexander!

    Wednesday May 25 2022 09:39, you wrote to me:

    First part is when Russia sent fighter to Donbass after it took
    Crimea from Ukraine. You miss that part, why?

    Even western media didn't say that Russian troops invaded into Donbass
    in 2014.

    Russia troops invaded it and western media are ok with that.

    Last year was the most quiet year, with minimum number of killed
    people since 2014. Numbers are public.

    Escalation started at the end of 2021.

    Because Russia started it. We now know that Putin was already gave order to prepare for the war.

    So Putin saw that this conflict is going to stop soon completely
    and decided to launch full scale war.

    I said many times that IMHO it is a reckless operation. But the world
    knew well about this operation for months and Zelensky if he were not
    an idiot, could use diplomacy to solve the Donbass problem peacefully.

    It was not impossible to solve it - Putin said many times that he thinks that Ukraine is an artificial failed state.

    Lost their job?! Come on! There were some rallies in EU with
    pro- Russian slogans. Those people are still ok. There is no
    freedom of speach in Russia at all.

    There was not free speech in the West, and everybody knows it. To say

    Everyone in Russia Today? :)

    something good about Russia as impossible as to say something bad
    about gays. ;-) Shut up or you lose your career.

    But what about gays? Fidonet founder was a gay. Do you rememember that Soviet Union had strict laws about gays but was not able even to create normal modems? And all Soviet computer networks were just a joke?

    What happened to USA or UK? :)

    I told you about Ukraine, not about the hidden warmongers who push it
    into a war with Russia until the last soldier.

    It's Russia which is killing people there, don't forget that.
    You it's a shame that you never said that it should stop doing that.

    As for big countries, you should think about the present situation in
    the world as about a Wild West saloon. Everybody are polite with each other while all the fingers are on triggers. The main thing is not
    mixing Russia with Iraq or Afghanistan.

    BTW, have you ever talked to anyone from Iraq about war there?

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Wed May 25 12:35:01 2022
    Uncompromised satellite photos often tell different stories.

    Just for interest, tell me the number of Russian troops in Donbass till 2022 according to your sources.

    About every uniformed and armed fighter I would say ... because that's what it takes to call upon the Geneva convention and the 'law of war'.

    The non-military fighters are "self-proclaimed volunteers who joined an armed group that fought under its own flag and that had no interest in the law of war". In other words, they are legally, ordinary citizens who were not allowed to use any form of violence.

    It is easy now to shut up everybody. You just say that he tells a lie.

    Even that requires proof ...

    Second, after the successful Russian campaign when the Battle for
    Stalingrad had concluded, the Russian military was only good for
    humiliation and defeat... the uprisings in Berlin, Budapest,
    Chzecho-Slovakia, Poland... it was always the same... "military

    Where have you seen defeats?

    To me it seems history demonstrated them all to be defeats.

    Tell me -- if you stop trying to eat a cactus -- will it be your defeat
    or showing some brains? ;-)

    I have cactus marmelade ... yummy.

    When you eat beef you also eat what's edible, not the horns ...

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Lee Lofaso on Wed May 25 12:38:13 2022
    Belgium is not competent enough to shoot down any civilian
    airliners.

    Who do you think shot down Dag Hammarskjold's DC6 in 1961 you think?

    It wasn't as if they did it on purpose ...

    There was only 1 serviceable Fouga-Magister in the whole area, for that occasion it was especially armed because they're not exactly fighter planes.

    After the shootdown, the weapon was removed, the pilot fled and the UN seized the aircraft.

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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to alexander koryagin on Wed May 25 13:52:40 2022
    Hello alexander!

    25 May 22 09:57, alexander koryagin wrote to Ward Dossche:

    exercices only" followed by invasion (well, not Poland) and then
    Russian soldiers not welcomed as liberators and confused as they
    had no cue why they were there... same now in Ukraine. Add to that
    the defeat in Afghanistan. The Russian navy is only famous for its

    Tell me -- if you stop trying to eat a cactus -- will it be your
    defeat
    or showing some brains? ;-)

    Yeah, just re-label it, that's the spirit. Will do for other instances (like the Japanese cactus) as well.


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30.1 to Kurt Weiske on Wed May 25 15:17:40 2022
    Hello, Kurt Weiske.
    On 5/24/22 4:59 PM you wrote:

    Re: ?
    By: Lee Lofaso to Ward Dossche on Tue May 24 2022 11:48 pm
    thing there's this movie 'The Hunt For Red October')
    Sean Connery, the only Russian admiral from Scotland.
    And the only Scottish Spaniard, in Highlander. Hearing him
    pronouce his character's name is especially hilarious - Juan Sanchez-Villalobos Ramirez. I bet you're hearing him say that as
    you read it.
    Chief metalurgist to King Charles V of Spain. And I am at your service.


    And yeah, he pronounced "Juan" like "WAN"
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Wed Jun 1 09:57:03 2022
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 25.05.2022 10:31

    DP>>> Like it lost Port Arthur, for example, to Japan? :) You even
    DP>>> don't know (like 99% of Russians) how it's called today!

    ak>> The only reason why Russia didn't take the whole Manchuria
    ak>> together with Port Arthur is that these territory had never
    ak>> belonged to Japan.

    DP> In fact Japan kicked our butt from there.

    The USSR returned there after WW2.

    ak>> ;=) China is another story. Tsarist Russia indeed leased this town
    ak>> from China as military base, and the USSR and Russia now could
    ak>> still have it, but another Ukrainian fucking idiot Khrushchev (the
    ak>> USSR leader) had returned it to China. ;-)

    DP> Khruschev was much less fucking idiot than Stalin because it saw
    DP> people as more important thing than territory. As I said before -

    Uhu, Russians in Crimea felt it when they were given away as a cattle to Ukraine without asking them much.

    DP> no one in Russia cares now about Russians, more than million died
    DP> last year from COVID and no one is unhappy.

    Well, a more than millions Americans died also. It's life. The main
    problem here is that most people value liberty more that their health.
    That's why there were numerous violations of the Covid limitations.

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Wed Jun 1 10:12:54 2022
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 25.05.2022 13:35

    ak>> It is easy now to shut up everybody. You just say that he tells a
    ak>> lie.

    WD> Even that requires proof...

    In Ukraine it is impossible. For instance, Russians civilians in
    ill-fated Mariupol, for instance, certainly wanted to leave the town
    under siege. But who could be against it? Russian troops or fucking nationalists who used them as a shield? If you say the latter you will
    be a liar in Ukraine and you will not able to proof anything. In most
    probably case, you will be accused as a Russian spy and put in prison.

    Well, I have not said that in Russia is a mush better situation.

    WD>>> Second, after the successful Russian campaign when the Battle for
    WD>>> Stalingrad had concluded, the Russian military was only good for
    WD>>> humiliation and defeat... the uprisings in Berlin, Budapest,
    WD>>> Chzecho-Slovakia, Poland... it was always the same... "military

    ak>> Where have you seen defeats?
    WD> To me it seems history demonstrated them all to be defeats.

    Stopping a war is not equal to a defeat. It is clear.

    ak>> Tell me -- if you stop trying to eat a cactus -- will it be your
    ak>> defeat or showing some brains? ;-)
    WD> I have cactus marmelade... yummy.
    WD> When you eat beef you also eat what's edible, not the horns...

    Did you pretend to be not clever enough? ;)

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Wed Jun 1 14:20:22 2022
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    Hello, alexander!

    Wednesday June 01 2022 09:57, you wrote to me:

    In fact Japan kicked our butt from there.

    The USSR returned there after WW2.

    It was China's land already.

    Khruschev was much less fucking idiot than Stalin because it saw
    people as more important thing than territory. As I said before
    -

    Uhu, Russians in Crimea felt it when they were given away as a cattle
    to Ukraine without asking them much.

    This is was how Soviet Union worked. Stalin puted people to work in labour camps like slaves.
    Change of internal border was very common for Soviet Union.

    People of Soivet Union in fact were cattle (!). They were property of the state.

    no one in Russia cares now about Russians, more than million
    died last year from COVID and no one is unhappy.

    Well, a more than millions Americans died also. It's life. The main

    But they still have some events to remember those who died. In Russia COVID is almost forgotten.


    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Wed Jun 1 23:02:44 2022
    Hello, alexander!

    Wednesday June 01 2022 10:12, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

    under siege. But who could be against it? Russian troops or fucking nationalists who used them as a shield? If you say the latter you will

    Fucking troops started this war and prevented them from leaving the city.
    The same story was when Russia took Grozny in 1995. No one cared about Russians on the city.

    Even you didn't care about Russians when no one asked them to leave Ukraine before the war.
    Well, in fact, do you care about Russians at all?

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Dmitry Protasoff on Wed Jun 1 22:49:54 2022
    Well, in fact, do you care about Russians at all?

    I'm going to have anotherone of those Ukrainian beers ... good stuff ...

    \%/@rd

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to Ward Dossche on Thu Jun 2 13:47:56 2022
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    Hello, Ward!

    Wednesday June 01 2022 22:49, you wrote to me:

    Well, in fact, do you care about Russians at all?

    I'm going to have anotherone of those Ukrainian beers ... good stuff
    ...

    Skal!

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dmitry Protasoff on Thu Jun 2 15:03:11 2022
    Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
    I read your message from 01.06.2022 23:02

    ak>> under siege. But who could be against it? Russian troops or
    ak>> fucking nationalists who used them as a shield? If you say
    ak>> the latter you will
    DP> Fucking troops started this war and prevented them from leaving
    DP> the city. The same story was when Russia took Grozny in 1995.
    DP> No one cared about Russians on the city. Even you didn't care
    DP> about Russians when no one asked them to leave Ukraine before
    DP> the war. Well, in fact, do you care about Russians at all?

    In other words you cannot object the fact that Ukrainian nationalists
    didn't allow Russian civilians from Mariupol leave the city under siege.
    It doesn't matter who started the war -- it does matter who are bustards.

    Bye, Dmitry!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Thu Jun 2 15:06:34 2022
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    Hello, alexander!

    Thursday June 02 2022 15:03, you wrote to me:

    In other words you cannot object the fact that Ukrainian nationalists didn't allow Russian civilians from Mariupol leave the city under
    siege. It doesn't matter who started the war -- it does matter who are bustards.

    It wasn't possible to leave the city because Russian forces were shelling Mariupol and all roads nearby.
    It's very important who started the war and it's very important who is killing civilians.

    Let me remember you that Russian embassy never ever tried to evacuate Russian citizens before the war, they were telling them that there's gonna be no war at all.
    And then started shellings. So if Russia is not caring even about Russian citizens, why it should care about Ukranians? It cares only about Putin's ass :)

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Alexander Koryagin on Wed Jun 22 11:59:34 2022
    So quiet ... did Zelensky get you too ... :-)

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  • From Nil Alexandrov@2:5015/46 to Ward Dossche on Wed Jun 22 17:21:14 2022
    Hello, Ward!

    Wednesday June 22 2022 11:59, from Ward Dossche -> Alexander Koryagin:

    So quiet ...

    No news is good news.

    Best Regards, Nil
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Fri Jun 24 15:15:29 2022
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 22.06.2022 12:59

    WD> So quiet ... did Zelensky get you too ... :-)

    I've got an order to make some program. I like the subject, and the
    orderer pleasantly whined that this program is needed very much and
    urgently. ;-)

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Fri Jun 24 16:36:45 2022
    Alexander,

    So quiet ... did Zelensky get you too ... :-)

    I've got an order to make some program. I like the subject, and the
    orderer pleasantly whined that this program is needed very much and urgently. ;-)

    I just miss your rantings ... 8-)

    \%/@rd

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Mon Jun 27 10:40:51 2022
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 24.06.2022 17:36

    ak>>WD> So quiet ... did Zelensky get you too ... :-)
    ak>> I've got an order to make some program. I like the subject,
    ak>> and the orderer pleasantly whined that this program is
    ak>> needed very much and urgently. ;-)
    WD> I just miss your rantings ... 8-)

    Visiting to a coffeeshop may help? :-)

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Mon Jun 27 13:06:55 2022
    I just miss your rantings ... 8-)

    Visiting to a coffeeshop may help? :-)

    Netherlands or Belgium?

    There "is" a difference.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ward Dossche on Tue Jun 28 02:10:02 2022
    On 06-27-22 13:06, Ward Dossche <=-
    spoke to Alexander Koryagin about Re: ? <=-

    I just miss your rantings ... 8-)

    I suspect that he has somehow learned the truth about what Russia is
    doing and can no longer keep using the Putin propaganda lines.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Dale Shipp on Tue Jun 28 12:45:21 2022
    Hi, Dale Shipp!
    I read your message from 28.06.2022 02:10

    WD>> I just miss your rantings ... 8-)
    DS> I suspect that he has somehow learned the truth about what
    DS> Russia is doing and can no longer keep using the Putin
    DS> propaganda lines.

    Whatever I have learned recently, however I treat Putin -- it cannot
    change my great contempt for the Ukrainians who started a great fire of
    hatred in Ukraine in 2014. These ultra-nationalist bustards decided to
    make Ukrainians from Russians, and they ignited these hellish havoc and
    now they harvest what they sowed. The only way out from this war in
    Ukraine is a separation Ukrainians and Russians living there. Long life
    to divorce -- it saves so many throats from cutting! ;-) Damn be the
    fools in the West who persuade Ukrainians to fight till the last
    soldier. Ukraine has been a country of two nations. Now it is going to
    be two states on its place.

    Those who kept mum while Ukrainians have killed Russians in Donbass for
    8 years and now tear crocodile tears are cynics or brainwashed people.
    You are unable to understand why so many Russians support this war and
    feel themselves on the side of light. You just don't like Russia for
    different reasons, mostly it looks like how small dogs bark hysterically
    at a huge animal.

    ...From Russia with rant... ;)

    Bye, Dale!
    Alexander Koryagin
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