Sweden also provided the cargo ships which transported Swedish ore for
the German ball-bearing factories
40% of the Swedish ore went to Germany, 60% went to England. Yes, not exactly neutral, but very close.
How much of the Belgian ore went to England?
And, speaking of neutrality, Switzerland also claimed to be neutral, look what happened to all the Nazi "spoils of war" that still is unaccounted for
in Swiss banks. How does that compare to the Swedish transit allowance?
And no, I don't think that allowing the Germans to send soldiers through Sweden to Russia prolonged the war. On the contrary, haven't we all agreed that the eastern front was what eventually caused the war to end? If all those German soldiers hadn't been sent to Russia, they may have been left on the western front...
The question Kasparov raised is "Why should Putin have any
say on NATO's future expansion?"
If Ukraine will be a member of NATO then all countries in this alliance have
to come to Ukraine's aid.
If Ukraine accuses Russia of supporting the separatists and all those countries support Ukraine's territorial integrity (including Crimeea as part of Ukraine), they will have to come to Ukraine's aid in case of a war with Russia.
That's why Ukraine will never be accepted to NATO until it reestablishes its
territorial integrity.
So Ukraine first has to reconquer all its lost lands.
Then it will be accepted in NATO.
The president of Ukraine has lost his majority in parliament.
There are new elections scheduled for next year. How much nicer
it would be for Putin to be able to negotiate with a Ukraine
that is far more friendly to Russia than who is in charge now.
Putin can get everything he wants, without ever firing a shot,
or having new sanctions placed on Russia. So why go to war when
you don't have to?
Ukraine plans to take back Donbass in january with this president.
There are 150.000 troops at the border with the unrecognised republics.
They will try to reestablish the territorial integrity. It's their right. Do
you think Putin will just watch this?
On 12-11-21 18:16, Lee Lofaso <=-
spoke to Ghil Zvidgzul about Kasparov on Ukraine <=-
Most of the people in that region speak Russian as their native
language, and culturally align themselves as such.
SO? Most of the people in southern Texas speak Spanish as their native language, and are aligned with Hispanic culture. Does that imply that Mexico should have the right to annex southern Texas??
Bjrn to you, please.
But yes, lets forget it. It all happened long before I was even a
horny glimpse in my fathers eye, and I sincerely believe in
non-patriotism (after religion the second major reason for wars).
All I can say is that I applaud every possible way to stay out of the conflicts that kings and presidents have between them, convincing
gullible citizens to go out and fight it out for them.
SO? Most of the people in southern Texas speak Spanish as their native
language, and are aligned with Hispanic culture. Does that imply that
Mexico should have the right to annex southern Texas??
As Texas was stolen by military force ... Yes, Mexico has all the rights ...
Most of the people in that region speak Russian as their native
language, and culturally align themselves as such.
SO? Most of the people in southern Texas speak Spanish as their native language, and are aligned with Hispanic culture. Does that imply that Mexico should have the right to annex southern Texas??
"It's like: I am ready to give ride to a maniac who is going to
kill and rape my neighbor. I am so proud of me."
Sounds very neutral?
What two opposing sides would that be neutral to?
Neutral in our universe means "I am too weak to defend myself", nothing else.
As Texas was stolen by military force ... Yes, Mexico has all therights ...
As Crimea was stolen by military force ...
Yes, Ukraine has all the rights ...
As Texas was stolen by military force ... Yes, Mexico has all the
rights ...
As Crimea was stolen by military force ...
Yes, Ukraine has all the rights ...
It's a bit as in shipping ... a boat coming from the right has the right of
way ... but it's not a good idea to challenge a vessel approaching from the
left which has a higher tonnage ...
SO? Most of the people in southern Texas speak Spanish as their native language, and are aligned with Hispanic culture. Does that imply that Mexico should have the right to annex southern Texas??
Hello Ward,
nativeDS>>> language, and are aligned with Hispanic culture. Does that imply
thatDS>>> Mexico should have the right to annex southern Texas??
rights ...
As Crimea was stolen by military force ...
Yes, Ukraine has all the rights ...
As Crimea was stolen by military force ...
Yes, Ukraine has all the rights ...
Crimea seceded from Ukraine in full compliance with Ukrainian and international law.
From the perspective of international law Crimea still belongs to
Ukraine.
And Russia used military force to take control of the peninsula and to force Ukrainian troops not to intervene in the process of secession.
And Russia used military force to take control of the peninsula and to force Ukrainian troops not to intervene in the process of secession.
From the perspective of international law Crimea still belongs to
Ukraine.
Crimea was an autonomous republic with a corresponding right of self-determination, and it used one. What's wrong? Tell me what
specific law has been broken?
And yes, Putin admited he sent troops to Crimea.
As Crimea was stolen by military force ...
Yes, Ukraine has all the rights ...
Are yo sure? What about the referendum voted on by the peoples of Crimes?
As Crimea was stolen by military force ...
Crimea seceded from Ukraine in full compliance with Ukrainian and
international law. For several days Crimea existed as an independent state, after which it was admitted to the Russian Federation.
Yes, Ukraine has all the rights ...
Yes, Ukraine has all the rights ...
No any... Thank God.
Hello David,
As Crimea was stolen by military force ...
Yes, Ukraine has all the rights ...
Are yo sure? What about the referendum voted on by the peoples of Crimes?
What about the Supreme Soviet declaring Crimea as belonging to Ukraine? Pravda wrote about this on February 27, 1954. That's right. The Supreme Soviet approved Nikita Krushchev's action, making millions of Russians instant citizens of Ukraine. Without ever having the chance to have a
vote of their own.
Cardinal rule of politics -
Once you give something away, you can't take it back.
Crimea was an autonomous republic with a corresponding right of
self-determination, and it used one. What's wrong? Tell me what
specific law has been broken?
The UN Charter, all bilateral international treaties concluded between Russia and Ukraine were violated.
And yes, Putin admited he sent troops to Crimea.
As Crimea was stolen by military force ...
Yes, Ukraine has all the rights ...
Are yo sure? What about the referendum voted on by the peoples of Crimes?
What about the Supreme Soviet declaring Crimea as belonging to Ukraine? Pravda wrote about this on February 27, 1954. That's right. The Supreme Soviet approved Nikita Krushchev's action, making millions of Russians instant citizens of Ukraine. Without ever having the chance to have a
vote of their own.
And the peoples of Crimea chose to rescind that and return to Russian administration.
As Crimea was stolen by military force ...
Yes, Ukraine has all the rights ...
Are yo sure? What about the referendum voted on by the peoples of Crimes?
What about the Supreme Soviet declaring Crimea as belonging to Ukraine?
Pravda wrote about this on February 27, 1954. That's right. The Supreme
Soviet approved Nikita Krushchev's action, making millions of Russians
instant citizens of Ukraine. Without ever having the chance to have a
vote of their own.
And the peoples of Crimea chose to rescind that and return to Russian administration.
Cardinal rule of politics -
Once you give something away, you can't take it back.
A rule of whose politics?
It would appear that over the millennia places/resources have swapped hands
many times. Sometimes voluntarily, sometimes not so.
Hi, David!
17 дек 21 06:10, David Drummond -> Lee Lofaso:
And I, as a native of Crimea, can confirm with full responsibility that everyone who could come - really voted and even those who found it difficult to walk - came and voted to secede from Ukraine.
An "election" sanctioned by Vladimir Putin and monitored by Russian
troops is not exactly what any sane person would call a "free and
fair" election. But then, nobody ever accused Putin (a former taxi
driver) of being "sane".
Hello David,
All politics is local.
swapped handsDD>> many times. Sometimes voluntarily, sometimes not so.
Once upon a time, Ottomans gave Crimea to Russia.
Once upon a time, Nikita Khrushchev gave Crimea to Ukraine.
Once upon a time, Vladimir Putin gave Crimea to himself.
See how that works?
An "election" sanctioned by Vladimir Putin and monitored by Russian
troops is not exactly what any sane person would call a "free and
fair" election.
But then, nobody ever accused Putin (a former taxi driver) of being "sane".
An "election" sanctioned by Vladimir Putin and monitored by Russian
troops is not exactly what any sane person would call a "free and
fair" election.
But then, nobody ever accused Putin (a former taxi driver) of being "sane".
In Australia it is compulsory to vote. Failure without a good
explanation attracts a fine.
In the over 40 years I have lived here I have never voted - but then, I
am not a citizen and have no voting rights.
However, at least in Australia, it matters not which way one votes, the country still gets the same shitty politicians.
You have the right not to love Putin and the whole of Russia, but do
not talk nonsense about the withdrawal of Crimea from Ukraine. Not any
of "Putin's soldiers" were not at the referendum. Police and civilian volunteers guarded the order.
If you spend 2 minutes to listen to what Putin said:
Better is the Belgian system where you will die from boredom watching parliament in action ...
Russia needs a decent, unmanipulated election where opposition is not thrown into jail from the moment they hit the streets. Besides, I
think types of government where so much power is in the hand of a
single person is wrong ... Better is the Belgian system where you will
die from boredom watching parliament in action ...
Just out of curiosity: is there any chance that Belgium could be partitioned and Flanders could join the Netherlands and Wallonia could join France (because of the linguistic division)?
BTW, try googling " sjoemelpoedel " ...
BTW, try googling " sjoemelpoedel " ...
I tried, but only ended up at sites full of ads, chatter and nothing
much info. Was it some kind of kind of charity scandal?
As Crimea was stolen by military force ...
Yes, Ukraine has all the rights ...
Crimes?Are yo sure? What about the referendum voted on by the peoples of
What about the Supreme Soviet declaring Crimea as belonging toUkraine?
Pravda wrote about this on February 27, 1954. That's right. TheSupreme
Soviet approved Nikita Krushchev's action, making millions ofRussians
instant citizens of Ukraine. Without ever having the chance to have a
vote of their own.
Moreover, when they did manage to vote in the referendum on January 20, 1991, the results were ignored and Crimea remained as a part of Ukraine.
And the peoples of Crimea chose to rescind that and return to Russian
administration.
An "election" sanctioned by Vladimir Putin and monitored by Russian
troops is not exactly what any sane person would call a "free and
fair" election. But then, nobody ever accused Putin (a former taxi
driver) of being "sane".
You were there witnessing this atrocity, and Stas, a resident of Crimea was
not?
Whose word should I accept?
Cardinal rule of politics -
Once you give something away, you can't take it back.
A rule of whose politics?
All politics is local.
It would appear that over the millennia places/resources have
swapped hands
many times. Sometimes voluntarily, sometimes not so.
Once upon a time, Ottomans gave Crimea to Russia.
Once upon a time, Nikita Khrushchev gave Crimea to Ukraine.
Once upon a time, Vladimir Putin gave Crimea to himself.
After the Crimean peoples voted for Russian administration. Putin just completed the paperwork.
See how that works?
Did the native peoples of Hawaii vote for US administration?
An "election" sanctioned by Vladimir Putin and monitored by Russian
troops is not exactly what any sane person would call a "free and
fair" election.
You have the right not to love Putin and the whole of Russia, but do not talk nonsense about the withdrawal of Crimea from Ukraine. Not any of "Putin's soldiers" were not at the referendum. Police and civilian volunteers guarded the order.
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And here's another very interesting photo. Civilians at the gates of the Ukrainian military unit.
https://im.kommersant.ru/Issues.photo/DAILY/2014/042/KMO_140281_00154_3_t218_22
2451.jpg
And this is Sebastopol. https://cdn-crimea-news.com/img/20210223/49df13034ec8357aba00da375e775eda.jpg
But then, nobody ever accused Putin (a former taxi driver) of being
"sane".
You were "slightly" misinformed. Putin is a State Security (KGB) Officer.
45 million residents of Ukraine, including Stas, witnessed this
atrocity. The rest of the world, including Russians, also witnessed
this atrocity.
7.8 billion residents of the world, minus one Vladimir Putin.
Russian soldiers come to your home, knock on your door, and ask you
to fill out papers that have one question with only one answer. You comply, not wanting to get shot by playing Russian roulette.
You have the right not to love Putin and the whole of Russia, but do
not talk nonsense about the withdrawal of Crimea from Ukraine. Not any
of "Putin's soldiers" were not at the referendum. Police and civilian
volunteers guarded the order.
If you spend 2 minutes to listen to what Putin said:
"Behind the self-defense forces of Crimea stood our servicemen". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ0CjshbsQc
And the Russian State TV made a whole documentary ( Crimea. The Way Home https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8nMhCMphYU ) where Putin admits that the whole thing was a russian special operation and that he had taken personal charge of Crimean annexation and that in case of "unfavorable scenario on the peninsula" Russia could have placed its nuclear weapons on combat readiness: https://ria.ru/20150315/1052668652.html
The ukrainian and international law was broken because this anexation was made without the approval of ukrainian side. If any region of Ukraine would
leave then the referendum must be organized in all regions. All documents signed before between Russia and Ukraine confirmed Crimea as part of Ukraine. Before 2014 Russia didn't have territorial claims and then...
Crimea wasYou were there witnessing this atrocity, and Stas, a resident of
not?
45 million residents of Ukraine, including Stas, witnessed this
atrocity. The rest of the world, including Russians, also witnessed
this atrocity.
Whose word should I accept?
7.8 billion residents of the world, minus one Vladimir Putin.
You personally witnessed this, or did you read about it in some social media?
justAfter the Crimean peoples voted for Russian administration. Putin
completed the paperwork.
Russian soldiers come to your home, knock on your door, and ask you
to fill out papers that have one question with only one answer. You
comply, not wanting to get shot by playing Russian roulette.
And yet our Fidonet eyewitness refutes your claim.
"This so-called referendum was conducted in a heavily militarised environment; was clearly illegal under the Ukrainian Constitution,
and the result remains unrecognised by the international community."
~ Ambassador Neil Bush, in a written statement published 4 March 2021
The entire world (including Fidonet) says David D. is full of cr*p.
It was not Putin's call to make. Crimea is a part of the
territory of Ukraine, and is recognized by virtually the entire
world as such. It may be some of the people in Crimea desired
independence, or affiliation with Russia. But that is a
decision that is up to the people of Ukraine as a whole to
make, not exclusively those within Crimea. And most certainly
not those who are outside of Ukraine.
The main problem here is that the Crimean people are not a suitcase and nobody is able to return them back to the Ukraine without their consent.
So "not some people", but almost all people in the Crimea doesn't
support the ultra-nationalist authority in Kiev, and its strict restriction of the Russian language in the Ukraine.
The West can accept the will of the residents of the Crimea like it had done
in Kosovo case some years ago,
or, on the other way, the West actually will build the ground for a bloody invasion of the Ukraine troops (in case if in Russia will be antiputin Kasparov's government).
After the Crimean peoples voted for Russian administration. Putin just
completed the paperwork.
Russian soldiers come to your home, knock on your door, and ask you
to fill out papers that have one question with only one answer. You
comply, not wanting to get shot by playing Russian roulette.
And yet our Fidonet eyewitness refutes your claim.
Russian soldiers come to your home, knock on your door, and ask you
to fill out papers that have one question with only one answer. You
comply, not wanting to get shot by playing Russian roulette.
And yet our Fidonet eyewitness refutes your claim.
"This so-called referendum was conducted in a heavily militarised
environment; was clearly illegal under the Ukrainian Constitution,
and the result remains unrecognised by the international community."
~ Ambassador Neil Bush, in a written statement published 4 March 2021
Who the fuck is Ambassador Bush? Some USAian? Is he a relative of George?
If so I doubt his credibility.
The entire world (including Fidonet) says David D. is full of cr*p.
Nope. I'm saying that an eye witness is more credible than biased news sources.
It's life -- old people think slower and became absent-minded. And, besides, wisdom came, which tells that chess now is foolish way of time spending. ;-)
But politicians are old people as a rule. Young politicians act too radically. It is bad.
My apologies for name-calling. No Kiwi can ever be full of cr*p.
Even those living in the land of Oz.
Nobody can change the facts. And those facts will not change
with the passage of time.
There are no such thing as facts - only opinions.
At least that's what I think.
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