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George Takei posted on Twitter:

"BREAKING: Due to massive incompetence and inexplicable delay,
WHO to rename Covid-19 to Covfefe-45."
~George Takei



FIDOGAZETTE Vol 14 No 12 Page 2 March 18th, 2020


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Janis Kracht wrote to All <=-

"BREAKING: Due to massive incompetence and inexplicable
delay, WHO to rename Covid-19 to Covfefe-45."
~George Takei

I prefer the names "China Virus" or "Kung Flu".



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Janis Kracht wrote to All <=-

"BREAKING: Due to massive incompetence and inexplicable
delay, WHO to rename Covid-19 to Covfefe-45."
~George Takei

I prefer the names "China Virus" or "Kung Flu".

I see the right's barnacles are still clouding your brain...

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Hi Dan!

20 Mar 2020 21:19, from Dan Clough -> Janis Kracht:

I prefer the names "China Virus"

What kind of sick b*****d are you?

Please stick to the nomenclature used by the WHO. https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

And please also OBEY the rules that help to preserve life by flattening the curve so that the health systems has a chance to cope with the serious cases!

In some countries (namely UK, USA, and early China) the political reaction was catastrophic.
Those countries lost a lot of time and they will massively pay the price with human lifes.

http://tiny.cc/737nlz

On the other hand later China and Soth Korea did a remarkable good job in slowing the outbreak!

Also thanks to science even those countries with scientifically illiterate leaders (and illiterate advisors) have now started to implement measures.
But they come VERY late and WILL have a cost in lost human life.

https://tinyurl.com/ryzbmjs

Anyway ... PLEASE people switch on your brains!
Obey to necessary measures, and do not be racist!

CU, Ricsi

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Richard Menedetter wrote to Dan Clough <=-

I prefer the names "China Virus"

What kind of sick b*****d are you?

I'm not sick at all, but thanks for your concern.

Please stick to the nomenclature used by the WHO. https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

How come you didn't give that same lecture to Janis?

Are you a Lefty too? Is that why?

Obey to necessary measures, and do not be racist!

There's nothing "racist" about calling it "China Virus". Isn't
that where it originated?



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Janis Kracht wrote to Dan Clough <=-

"BREAKING: Due to massive incompetence and inexplicable
delay, WHO to rename Covid-19 to Covfefe-45."
~George Takei

I prefer the names "China Virus" or "Kung Flu".

I see the right's barnacles are still clouding your brain...

No, you don't see. That's because the Lefty Fog is still clouding
your vision.



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20 Mar 20 21:19:00, Dan Clough wrote to Janis Kracht:

Janis Kracht wrote to All <=-

"BREAKING: Due to massive incompetence and inexplicable
delay, WHO to rename Covid-19 to Covfefe-45."
~George Takei

I prefer the names "China Virus" or "Kung Flu".

Other call it the "I don't take responsibility at all" Virus.

"How the Coronavirus Became an American Catastrophe" https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/how-many-americans-are-sick-lost-february/608521/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-testing-specialrep/special-report-how-korea-trounced-u-s-in-race-to-test-people-for-coronavirus-idUSKBN2153BW


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South Korea is where they are today due to US foreign aid and military assistance. No US foreign aid = one Korea lead by the North.

Mike


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Janis Kracht wrote to Dan Clough <=-

"BREAKING: Due to massive incompetence and inexplicable
delay, WHO to rename Covid-19 to Covfefe-45."
~George Takei

I prefer the names "China Virus" or "Kung Flu".

I see the right's barnacles are still clouding your brain...

No, you don't see. That's because the Lefty Fog is still clouding
your vision.

My vision is perfect. You however suffer from an illness that comes from following a man who has stated:

*It'll just disappear like a miracle
*It's all under control
*Cases are close to zero and going down

Thank you to others who have posted the above in other echos. :)

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On 21 Mar 2020 at 06:14p, Mike Powell pondered and said...

South Korea is where they are today due to US foreign aid and military assistance. No US foreign aid = one Korea lead by the North.

What does that have to do with how they've
handled the COVID-19 pandemic?

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Anyway ... PLEASE people switch on your brains!
Obey to necessary measures, and do not be racist!

Please explain why referring to the COVID-19 virus by its country or area of origin ("Chinese Coronavirus", "Wuhan Coronavirus") is racist, but calling the 2012 novel coronavirus outbreak the "Middle East respiratory syndrome," or MERS, or MERS-CoV, after its area of origin, is not racist.

My brain is switched on, and I cannot see a difference. Even the WHO and US CDC commonly refer to the 2012 novel coronavirus as MERS.

Remeber the question is "why is it racist?" and not why you believe it to be inaccurate.

Thanks for you time.

Mike
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On 21 Mar 2020 at 06:14p, Mike Powell pondered and said...

South Korea is where they are today due to US foreign aid and military assistance. No US foreign aid = one Korea lead by the North.

What does that have to do with how they've
handled the COVID-19 pandemic?

If you have money coming in to prop up other areas of your economy, national defense, etc., it is a lot easier to spend money on other things. I am inferring that, without these things, there would only be one Korea and that would be a Korea controlled by the leadership of the North. North Korea is not anyone's standard of good medical practice.

Please explain why you feel that foreign aid, and not being united under the regime of the North, has nothing to do with their ability to handle what is going on.
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On 22 Mar 2020 at 09:07a, Mike Powell pondered and said...

On 21 Mar 2020 at 06:14p, Mike Powell pondered and said...

South Korea is where they are today due to US foreign aid and mili assistance. No US foreign aid = one Korea lead by the North.

What does that have to do with how they've
handled the COVID-19 pandemic?

If you have money coming in to prop up other areas of your economy, national defense, etc., it is a lot easier to spend money on other
things. I am inferring that, without these things, there would only be one Korea and that would be a Korea controlled by the leadership of the North. North Korea is not anyone's standard of good medical practice.

That's quite an inference.

Please explain why you feel that foreign aid, and not being united under the regime of the North, has nothing to do with their ability to handle what is going on.

Well, I never said nor implied that. That's your interpretation.

But you seem to be implying that their receipt of US aid
and military cooperation is somehow a factor in their
government's response to COVID-19; that doesn't seem to
be the case.

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Hi Dan!

21 Mar 2020 07:33, from Dan Clough -> Richard Menedetter:

How come you didn't give that same lecture to Janis?

Honest answer ... because I skip over Fidogazette messages because they do not contain any interesting information for me for a long time.
So I just skip them.

I reread it now, and have to agree that it tends to be the same direction.
BUT in this particular case I can kind of understand it.

The POTUS reacted in a very, very bad way. (which translates to lost lifes in the USA)
https://tinyurl.com/utaucpm

Also the disbanding of the White House's pandemic team was a very, very bad move.

Also this has nothing to do with right/left.
It is about scientific facts that have been known for a very long time, and the
question how politics reacts to them.

BTW he is definitely no Lefty:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Af6b_wyiwI

Obey to necessary measures, and do not be racist!

There's nothing "racist" about calling it "China Virus". Isn't
that where it originated?

It starts being racist if this term is only used in one country (see the WHO page for the official nomenclature), and is invented to distract from the lack of effective measures taken by the leader of said country.

CU, Ricsi

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Hi Mike!

22 Mar 2020 09:01, from Mike Powell -> Richard Menedetter:

Anyway ... PLEASE people switch on your brains!
Obey to necessary measures, and do not be racist!

See mail to Dan.

But please focus on the important things!
How can you slow down the pandemic, and how can you explain the SERIOUSNESS of the situation to people without causing unnecessary panic.

Telling people that there are just a few cases and that in the near future those cases will be down to 0 (contrary to ALL predictions of scientists) is a very, very dumb move.

Telling all people to go to work/school is even worse.
The less interaction is the less people can get infected, the slower the spread
is.
If the spread is slowed down enough then countries with developed health systems have a chance to cope with the serious cases (between 3% and 0.7%).
In that case the number of deaths will be minimized.
Otherwise many, many more people will die because there are simply not enough ICU available to save the lifes of many citizens!

CU, Ricsi

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22 Mar 20 09:01:53, Mike Powell wrote to Richard Menedetter:

Anyway ... PLEASE people switch on your brains!
Obey to necessary measures, and do not be racist!

Please explain why referring to the COVID-19 virus by its country or area

of

origin ("Chinese Coronavirus", "Wuhan Coronavirus") is racist, but calling

the

2012 novel coronavirus outbreak the "Middle East respiratory syndrome," or MERS, or MERS-CoV, after its area of origin, is not racist.

Who said that MERS is not a racist term? Of course it is.

My brain is switched on, and I cannot see a difference. Even the WHO and

US

CDC commonly refer to the 2012 novel coronavirus as MERS.

The latest coronavirus that plays a role in the ongoing Trump pandemic has the official designation SARS-CoV-2. Why do you want to call it the Chinese or Wuhan Coronavirus? What other reason besides racism are there? Just because we made mistakes in the past doesn't mean we have to repeat them forever.

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Telling people that there are just a few cases and that in the near future >those cases will be down to 0 (contrary to ALL predictions of scientists) is a >very, very dumb move.

No one has done that here lately.

Telling all people to go to work/school is even worse.
The less interaction is the less people can get infected, the slower the

sprea

is.

No one here is telling people to do that, either, although I am also aware
that several places of business are not listening to what they are being
told by the state and federal governments. Some local government offices
here are not even doing what our local leaders keep claiming they are.

It has been weeks since I have seen anyone official downplay the potential
that this virus has.

As for what you told Dan, the term "Wuhan coronavirus" is not being
used in just one country (the USA). I have seen the term also used on
recent "in English" newscasts from India and one other non-US source.

I am worried that, unlike flu, it won't go away when the weather gets
better. You take care of yourself, wherever you are, and feel free to call
it what you like. :)

Mike


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Who said that MERS is not a racist term? Of course it is.

But that is the official designation.

The latest coronavirus that plays a role in the ongoing Trump pandemic has the >official designation SARS-CoV-2. Why do you want to call it the Chinese or >Wuhan Coronavirus? What other reason besides racism are there? Just because we >made mistakes in the past doesn't mean we have to repeat them forever.

MERS is not old enough to be that distant in the past. My reasoning has nothing to do with racism. It has everything to do with "we need to
remember where this started because the Chinese government did not learn
their lesson the last time and, if the World does not keep on them about
their practices, they will continue and this will happen again and again..."

Here are some good links, including one where a professor of Chinese descent
is interviewed, and another that includes interviews with actual Chinese people. There seems to be little doubt that they could have prevented this
if they'd not gone right back to doing what they were doing in 2003 when
that outbreak happend. There is also no doubt there was a Chinese government cover up. They persecuted the whistleblower doctor, destroyed initial testing evidence, and still today are trying to deflect the blame for their actions onto others:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPpoJGYlW54

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-LL9vK_Uh4

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/11/coronavirus-wuhan-doctor-ai-fen- speaks-out-against-authorities

https://www.whistleblowersblog.org/2020/03/articles/featured-story/report- suggests-if-china-had-listened-to-whistleblower-95-of-coronavirus-infections could-have-been-prevented/

None of those make it sound like the Chinese government has learned their lesson and won't go right back to doing what they were doing before.

That last one is a real good one. Note that it is not called "if Donald
Trump was smarter, 95% of infections could have been prevented." All the people who are sick or dead are so because the CHINESE GOVERNMENT covered
it up. All this disruption that all of us are having to go through is because the CHINESE GOVERNMENT covered it up. If they weren't worried about saving
face or keeping an industry going that allows rich, influential Chinese to
eat exotic and endangered animals, NONE of this would be happening.

Calling it a "Trump pandemic" like you do is much more misleading than "Wuhan coronavirus." Again, 95% OF INFECTIONS COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED if China
had not swept it under the rug for a month or more. For their actions, they deserve to have it called "Chinese Government Cover-Up Coronoavirus."

If we all forget where this started, the Chinese government will just keep allowing these practices, and in a few years we will all be on lockdown
again, assuming it does not kill us.

I think you need to educate yourself about what caused this, and how it was covered up, before crying "racism" at something that triggers you. Unless,
of course, you are intentially acting as a mouthpiece for the Chinese government or enjoy doing so by accident. In that case I guess you can
explain to me how the Chinese people interviewed are racist against their
own people, or something equally as silly.

Mike


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If we all forget where this started, the Chinese government will just keep allowing these practices, and in a few years we will all be on lockdown again, assuming it does not kill us.

Your government worked really hard to make sure that many people will be killed.

I think you need to educate yourself about what caused this, and how it

was

covered up, before crying "racism" at something that triggers you.

I was not crying and I'm not triggered by it, but if it makes you happy to behave like an arrogant asshole, you're welcome.

Unless,
of course, you are intentially acting as a mouthpiece for the Chinese government or enjoy doing so by accident. In that case I guess you can explain to me how the Chinese people interviewed are racist against their own people, or something equally as silly.

Come on, we all know that the virus was most likely created in a Chinese lab to
bring down the government of the US and the rest of the western world. Are you sure what happened in Wuhan was really real - maybe it was all fake and Chinese
propaganda. Maybe nobody died in China by the virus. Why do you think they locked everyone up in their home and isolated everyone from their family who was tested "positive"? Or maybe they sacrificed a few thousand people for letting the virus spread for a while in order to become a pandemic. And now people in the western world are brainwashed with Chinese propaganda and blaming
Trump for the hoax / biolological warfare by China.

But America will not be defeated as long as Republicans are willing to die for their country and the economy.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/dan-patrick-seniors-are-willing-to-die-to-save-economy.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9k-GeCtK9os

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Hi Mike!

23 Mar 2020 17:13, from Mike Powell -> RICHARD MENEDETTER:

Telling people that there are just a few cases and that in the near
future those cases will be down to 0 (contrary to ALL predictions of
scientists) is a very, very dumb move.

No one has done that here lately.

It is still done ... but not as blatantly.
But that is not really the point.

The point is that the early in time is when it matters.
If you do it early, you will slow it down massively.
After you have a bigger number of infected people, it is much harder.

Talking about Coronavirus cases:
"the 15, within a couple of days, is going to be down to close to zero. That's a pretty good job we've done."

This statement CLEARLY conveyed the message it is not really a big problem, everything is under control, no need for citizens to take precautions like social distancing.

The USA has currently over 55000 confirmed cases.
So I think everybody CAN do the maths if his prediction was realistic and hence
how "good" a job he has done.
(Hint - a ver bad job, and it will cost the life of many Americans!)

No matter what political view somebody has, just FACT check what they say, and what scientific modeling is behind it.

CU, Ricsi

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