I did not consider the features of invisibility from this point of view. Herbert Wells made it clear that this is not an advantage, but a big problem for the owner. In the case of "peeping" with the help of the TV show, the problems are even greater, and the pleasure is generally questionable. IMHO.
I'll have to reread the Wells' classic.
I promised myself several times that I would stop watching the BB tv show, but the contests and puzzles they would come up with drew me back in.
It is difficult for me to reason on this topic. I haven't watched TV at all for about 25 years or more. About the same period of time, I do not even own it.
It is difficult for me to reason on this topic. I haven't watched TV at all for about 25 years or more. About the same period of time, I do not even own it.
Many TV networks in North America offer viewing their programming with "apps" to accommodate tablet/smartphone users. Do you have something similar in Crimea? Don't you watch plenty of shows or videos from the computer?
I'll have to reread the Wells' classic.
I promised myself several times that I would stop watching the BB tv shbut the contests and puzzles they would come up with drew me back in.
It is difficult for me to reason on this topic. I haven't watched TV at all about 25 years or more. About the same period of time, I do not even own it.
Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Brother Rabbit <=-
Re: It is difficult for me to reason on this topic. I haven't
watched TV
By: Brother Rabbit to August Abolins on Fri Nov 06 2020 11:36
am
I'll have to reread the Wells' classic.
I promised myself several times that I would stop watching the BB tv shbut the contests and puzzles they would come up with drew me back in.
It is difficult for me to reason on this topic. I haven't watched TV at all about 25 years or more. About the same period of time, I do not even own it.
Quoting is odd but I'm coming in late to the conversation.
BTW, not too worried about 'real names' in this echo but others
may be problematic on it.
Quoting is odd but I'm coming in late to the conversation.
BTW, not too worried about 'real names' in this echo but others
may be problematic on it.
Do you normally only check/reply to messages every 2 months or so?
Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Brother Rabbit <=-
Re: It is difficult for me to reason on this topic. I haven't
watched TV
By: Brother Rabbit to August Abolins on Fri Nov 06 2020 11:36
am
I'll have to reread the Wells' classic.
I promised myself several times that I would stop watching the BB tvbut the contests and puzzles they would come up with drew me back in.
It is difficult for me to reason on this topic. I haven't watched TV at a about 25 years or more. About the same period of time, I do not even own
Quoting is odd but I'm coming in late to the conversation.
BTW, not too worried about 'real names' in this echo but others
may be problematic on it.
Do you normally only check/reply to messages every 2 months or so?
... Gone crazy, be back later, please leave message.
=== MultiMail/Linux v0.52
Hello Dan!
** On Saturday 26.12.20 - 15:36, Dan Clough wrote to Carol Shenkenberger:
Quoting is odd but I'm coming in late to the conversation.
BTW, not too worried about 'real names' in this echo but others
may be problematic on it.
Do you normally only check/reply to messages every 2 months or so?
PMFJI, but I still have fidonet messages tagged for replies that
have accumulated beyond 2 months. :(
--
../|ug
PMFJI, but I still have fidonet messages tagged for replies that
have accumulated beyond 2 months. :(
LOL!
BTW, saw some silly dust ups about the telegram bit. Best
to tell them it's from our standpoint much like a fancy OLR
that works well in a world of tablets and such technology..
Technically when Dale Shipp was feeding me traffic on the
USS McHenry then USS Essex, we dove off to an email to email
delivery with OLR on each end. Similar in concept.
Explain it more simply like that and the yahoos will quiet
down.
I'm sure all here will happily help with any formatting
issues. I opened the gateways for testing here some 10
years ago and no one has ever minded!
Often, when I revisit the older-than-2month "tagged for replies" messages, I can't remember Wtf I had in mind as a reply. :/
Sometimes it comes back to me in a few seconds, so then I may
decide to keep them on the back-burner a little while longer.
Sometimes I later realize that someone else may have delt with
the topic.
This is part of the reason I think sysops should never let an
echo to completely purge of all (old) messages. Instead, try to
keep at least a modicum selection of say "the last 200" or so.
BTW, saw some silly dust ups about the telegram bit. Best
to tell them it's from our standpoint much like a fancy OLR
that works well in a world of tablets and such technology..
Thank you for that. I'd like to forward your full comment to the FIDONET.TELEGRAM echo. It may serve to educate new sysops/users.
Technically when Dale Shipp was feeding me traffic on the
USS McHenry then USS Essex, we dove off to an email to email
delivery with OLR on each end. Similar in concept.
OMG.. "our" data was being transmitted to various USS ships
without our prior knowledge! What about privacy, what about our
rights! What unsavoury servers are utilized on those ships? Or..
even what over-the-air non-FTN techonolgy was used for
transmissions? The horror.
I know one sysop who implemented a mechanism to forward netmail
to his user's cell phones in the early 2000's. Surely, a lot of "unkown" servers and systems would be involved in-between. Noone
seemed to be bothered by that.
Too late. Less than just 2 weeks of implementation, a couple of modertors changed their minds (they approved the transmissions previously) about this alternate OLR after only a couple other
people raised questions.
The experiment lost WIFI, X-FILES, NZ_FIDONET, WHAT'S_HOT! & RETAIL_HORROR ..all good candidates for the independent chat
style of messaging.
Maybe you can help dispell any fears?
Hello Carol!
** On Friday 01.01.21 - 10:01, Carol Shenkenberger wrote to August Abolins:
PMFJI, but I still have fidonet messages tagged for replies that
have accumulated beyond 2 months. :(
LOL!
Often, when I revisit the older-than-2month "tagged for replies"
messages, I can't remember Wtf I had in mind as a reply. :/
Sometimes it comes back to me in a few seconds, so then I may
decide to keep them on the back-burner a little while longer.
Sometimes I later realize that someone else may have delt with
the topic.
This is part of the reason I think sysops should never let an
echo to completely purge of all (old) messages. Instead, try to
keep at least a modicum selection of say "the last 200" or so.
BTW, saw some silly dust ups about the telegram bit. Best
to tell them it's from our standpoint much like a fancy OLR
that works well in a world of tablets and such technology..
Thank you for that. I'd like to forward your full comment to the FIDONET.TELEGRAM echo. It may serve to educate new sysops/users.
Technically when Dale Shipp was feeding me traffic on the
USS McHenry then USS Essex, we dove off to an email to email
delivery with OLR on each end. Similar in concept.
OMG.. "our" data was being transmitted to various USS ships
without our prior knowledge! What about privacy, what about our
rights! What unsavoury servers are utilized on those ships? Or..
even what over-the-air non-FTN techonolgy was used for
transmissions? The horror.
I know one sysop who implemented a mechanism to forward netmail
to his user's cell phones in the early 2000's. Surely, a lot of
"unkown" servers and systems would be involved in-between. Noone
seemed to be bothered by that.
Explain it more simply like that and the yahoos will quiet
down.
Too late. Less than just 2 weeks of implementation, a couple of
modertors changed their minds (they approved the transmissions
previously) about this alternate OLR after only a couple other
people raised questions.
The experiment lost WIFI, X-FILES, NZ_FIDONET, WHAT'S_HOT! &
RETAIL_HORROR ..all good candidates for the independent chat
style of messaging.
Maybe you can help dispell any fears?
I'm sure all here will happily help with any formatting
issues. I opened the gateways for testing here some 10
years ago and no one has ever minded!
A lot of formatting issues have already be delt with. It is still
a work-in-progress. Inner-message quoting like in this reply
would be somewhat awkard on a smartphone - but I have done it.
MSGID/REPLYID was implemented very quickly. Even netmail delivery
to the Telegram user was streamlined.
If the goal is to make echomail accessible to the ways that
people use devices now, the Telegram app is a fine OLR-type of
thing. The desktop app is really not much different than having
to use an OLR program just to read QWK packets.
It's great even just to get annoucments that echomail has
arrived.
BTW, are you still biding your time on USS ships?
--
../|ug
Grin retired since 2009 from the Navy but still working! You are welcome to pass my message where need be.
..I'm currently carrying around 200 message areas I believe,
and unfortunately, this phone doesn't let applications run
off of the SD card, so it limits my available space.
BTW, saw some silly dust ups about the telegram bit..
I think a big part of the dust up was a lack of
communication. wh8ch is somewhat humourous considering this
is a communucation medium.
But there has always been complaints about changes to how
and where Fidonet traffic is.
"Privacy" concerns just seem to loom larger these days than
in the past.
The experiment lost WIFI, X-FILES, NZ_FIDONET, WHAT'S_HOT!
& RETAIL_HORROR ..all good candidates for the independent
chat style of messaging.
Again, I still say it was a communication problem. I
remember Carol mentioning at least that the link was coming.
That's more than those echos you mention above did.
Like I was trying to say before during that hooplah, going
forward, even after getting moderators permission, take a
little time explaining how it works in the echo before going
live.
Yes, there are going to be some users and even sysops
opposed to the idea, but they are free to no longer
participate in the echo if it bothers them that much.
Offloading to an SD card would be sweet.
On my Blackberry, I can establish which storage device any app
uses. It's in the overall Settings section of the phone. I
don't really need the extra storage that an SD card offers, but
decided to configure the camera to stash the pics onto the SD
card. The document and music apps can be adjusted too.
But there has always been complaints about changes to how
and where Fidonet traffic is.
I'm ok with that. Some initial complaints take the form of
concern which are a form of inquiry. But to kick up a dust storm
with no suggestion that there are options for educational
discussion is sad.
"Privacy" concerns just seem to loom larger these days than
in the past.
There is no provision in Fido technology for privacy. Everything
is in the clear. The nature of echomail is open and public
discussion. The privacy in netmail is under the discretion of
the sysop of the system it passes through - whether it be via
email using Juno, a VPS hosted BBS somewhere or whatever.
But it may be true that a few more people are tuned to privacy
concerns about any communications medium these days.
I'd say to those persons if you expect privacy and "control" of
your messages, then don't participate in Fidonet. :(
But I like the idea of the option of encrypted packets, and
systems carrying the "ENC" flag. That, at least is a good
indication that things don't necessarily have to remain blatantly in-the-clear if FTN systems are willing to cooperate.
Again, I still say it was a communication problem. I
remember Carol mentioning at least that the link was coming.
That's more than those echos you mention above did.
True. I got the moderator approvals, but the moderators did not
say "wait until we make an announcement". A day or two later, I forwarded the info to Stas, and then a day or two later, Stas
worked on getting feeds. The total time for all that took about a
week for the 1st echo go live. I think it was nearly 2 weeks
before one of the later echos went live. If a moderator was
concerned about communication there was plenty of time to achieve
that in their own echo. ;) But none of the mods spoke up or
raised concerns at the time.
But then, do you expect that every time a sysop changes to host
their BBS on a new VPS and other "obviously commericial" servers?
;)
Yes, there are going to be some users and even sysops
opposed to the idea, but they are free to no longer
participate in the echo if it bothers them that much.
Absolutely. Freedom is wonderful.
I am enjoying the Fidonews postings from 30 year ago to comp.org.fidonet. Man.. users and sysops really seemed to care
about the progress of the hobby back then. In one of the latest
issues was a concern to be expected to carry a specific echo and
even the carry the Fidonews newsletter itself.
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Re: only check/reply to messages every 2 months or so?
By: Carol Shenkenberger to August Abolins on Fri Jan 01 2021 01:08 pm
Grin retired since 2009 from the Navy but still working! You are welcome pass my message where need be.
I wondered if you were still in the Navy or not. When did we meet? Maybe 200 Or 2007?
I still work at NSWC Dahlgren, doing fun stuff with computers for future Aeg compbat systems.
And NMCI is still a pain in the ass. Every. Damn. Day. LOL! :)
*** Diamond Dave ***
Yes to all. Skipping quoting because mine is a bit awkward to trim.
You answered all my questions right up front and then I said
yes and told the folks here to expect it and a brief
description of what it was.
I suppose I could edit the echolist to add this but then it
looks like a gateway and in function, it's not really. I
should also add that Telegram echo in so I can tell folks
directly that it's just fine.
Working for NETC now but need to find a new job as mine is moving to Milling in September. Bummer...
NMCI sure does have it's quirks!
Re: only check/reply to messages every 2 months or so?
By: Carol Shenkenberger to Dave Perrussel on Wed Jan 06 2021 06:31 pm
Working for NETC now but need to find a new job as mine is moving to Mill in September. Bummer...
NMCI sure does have it's quirks!
Dahlgren is hiring. If you're willing to move.
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