Richard Falken wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
I suspect we are getting there. Lots of Spanish politicians are getting it. I suspect that the reason why we know it is because politicians are taking the test, and everybody else isn't.
What worries me is what authorities will try to sacrifice trying to contain the virus.
Gerhard Strangar wrote to Ryan Fantus <=-
So, from now on you suggest panicking every year? The Corona virus is
not going to disappear.
For Influenza, people in Germany can get free inoculations, only 35% of the elder people (>60 years) come to get it, among pregnant women the ratio is as low as 11%. At the canteen, they put up a desinfectant dispenser and I can see a lot of people putting some on their hands,
but I've never seen anyone doing it properly.
Gregory Deyss wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-
I did not scurry anywhere.
When this is all over and the invisible enemy has been defeated.
America will be smashing through the gate containing her.
All you people creating and peddling this rhetoric are going to look mighty foolish.
Louisiana has a US Representative (Clay Higgins) who
is trying to imitate Trump with the coronavirus the "Chinese virus"
China is the origin.
Dan Cross wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-
That ain't happenin', Cletus. We're headed for a recession at
a minimum because your incompetent dear leader is a paper tiger
lacking any sort of substance.
Dan Cross wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-
Riiight. Dear Leader is sending his sheeple back to work
by Easter because it's only 1% of the population that will
die and it's ok to sacrifice the grands on the alter of the
Dow Jones.
You people are despicable. You have no morals or conscience.
I suspect we are getting there. Lots of Spanish politicians are getting it. I suspect that the reason why we know it is because politicians are taking the test, and everybody else isn't.
Most of us are going to get it over time. The good news is that the majority of us won't get very sick and will naturally get better. The better news is that once that happens, herd immunity kicks in and naturally controls it.
Really? Only 35% of them get the flu shot?
I did not scurry anywhere.
Lie.
When this is all over and the invisible enemy has been defeated. >GD>America will be smashing through the gate containing her.
Her? Who are you talking about?
All you people creating and peddling this rhetoric are going GD>to lookmighty foolish.
Riiight. Dear Leader is sending his sheeple back to work
by Easter because it's only 1% of the population that will
die and it's ok to sacrifice the grands on the alter of the
Dow Jones.
You people are despicable. You have no morals or conscience.
I suspect we are getting there. Lots of Spanish politicians are getting >RF>it. I suspect that the reason why we know it is because politicians are >RF>taking the test, and everybody else isn't.
Most of us are going to get it over time.
The good news is that the majority of us won't get very sick and will
naturally get better.
The better news is that once that happens, herd immunity kicks in and
naturally controls it.
The bad news is that many people will need the drugs and some will die. But
that's flu season with slightly different numbers.
And for those Leftie fear mongers:
According to the news last night (so going by YOUR Leftie media numbers),
the mortality rate is 1.42% in the U.S.
We are grossly underreporting cases - partly because lack of testing, mostly
because people are naturally fighting it off. Therefore the 1.42% is much lower. Experts say by a factor of 7. That puts the mortality rate at 0.2%.
Far less than the WHO's number of 4%.
What worries me is what authorities will try to sacrifice trying to >RF>contain the virus.
Yes, that's my worry as well.
The longer this economic shutdown continues, the more small businesses that
will not come back.
So, from now on you suggest panicking every year? The Corona virus is >GS>not going to disappear.
For Influenza, people in Germany can get free inoculations, only 35% of >GS>the elder people (>60 years) come to get it, among pregnant women the >GS>ratio is as low as 11%. At the canteen, they put up a desinfectant >GS>dispenser and I can see a lot of people putting some on their hands, >GS>but I've never seen anyone doing it properly.
Really? Only 35% of them get the flu shot?
Wow. I got my first flu shot when I was in college. My grandparents took
me
along with them because the city was giving them out for free. That year, I >was one of the few who didn't get hit with the flu.
After that, I've always get my flu shot and I've never been sorry.
I did not scurry anywhere.
When this is all over and the invisible enemy has been defeated. >GD>America will be smashing through the gate containing her.
All you people creating and peddling this rhetoric are going to look >GD>mighty foolish.
They already do. Trump approval numbers are up again. Media trust numbers
are down again.
Does anyone other than the Lefties actually listen to the Media anymore?
Louisiana has a US Representative (Clay Higgins) who
is trying to imitate Trump with the coronavirus the "Chinese virus"
China is the origin.
I never did like the way the Media wanted to call it the "bat flu". I mean,
come on, that's like dissing Batman. And you don't want to mess with
someone who identifies as a bat. 8)
You're a liar and a coward.
Really? Only 35% of them get the flu shot?
to the virus. IOW, we are all gonna fucking die. Some
of us sooner than others.
to the virus. IOW, we are all gonna fucking die. Some
of us sooner than others.
We surely are, but not because of Corona. The chance to die
because of a heart disease is about 25%, cancer is another 20%.
On 03-15-20 08:41, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dan Cross about Re: Biggest Crash Ever! <=-
Now, we face an unprecedented pandemic, and the most
unqualified, stupid, benighted president in our history
is in way, way over his head. For the good of us all,
why don't you finally have the goddamn common decency
to admit it, step aside, and let the experts handle the
situation?
Someone like Obama, perhaps? who did not stop travel and what happened thousands died. No thanks, I will keep my President who is a business man, not a clueless black man, who was a community organizer.
Now, we face an unprecedented pandemic, and the most
unqualified, stupid, benighted president in our history
is in way, way over his head. For the good of us all,
why don't you finally have the goddamn common decency
to admit it, step aside, and let the experts handle the
situation?
Someone like Obama, perhaps? who did not stop travel and what happened >GD>thousands died. No thanks, I will keep my President who is a business >GD>man, not a clueless black man, who was a community organizer.
Which pandemic are you talking about? Try looking up the statistics on
the Ebola pandemic and compare the number of infections and deaths in
the USA to the number of same from Covid-19 as of today -- and we are
just getting started.
Obama had a lot more clue as to what was happening and how to deal with
it than Trump, who claimed that it would all be over in a week. Your >President is a failed business man, and knows even less about public
health. Given the comparison, I think that black is much better than
orange.
On 03-15-20 08:41, Gregory Deyss <=-
Someone like Obama, perhaps? who did not stop travel and what happene thousands died. No thanks, I will keep my President who is a busines man, not a clueless black man, who was a community organizer.
Which pandemic are you talking about? Try looking up the statistics on the Ebola pandemic and compare the number of infections and deaths in
the USA to the number of same from Covid-19 as of today -- and we are
just getting started.
This isn't funny anymore, guys; it's time to let the adults
take over and fix the mess.
World-wide cases just topped 182,000 cases. In the US, we've
topped 4,200 and are doubling roughly every three days. Since
we do not have wide-scale testing, because Trump turned down
tests from the WHO, we have no idea whether the social distancing
measures put into place over the last week and a half are
working, let alone sufficient.
Sorry I missed the start of this conversation, but who are the adults though
and are they still around?
This isn't funny anymore, guys; it's time to let the adults
take over and fix the mess.
Which pandemic are you talking about? Try looking up the statistics the Ebola pandemic and compare the number of infections and deaths in the USA to the number of same from Covid-19 as of today -- and we are just getting started.
They are usually talking about H1N1. They don't like to
talk about Ebola because it doesn't fit their narrative.
Oddly enough, they're wrong about H1N1, though. A timeline
of events:
Apr 15, 2009: First case of H1N1 diagnosed in the US.
Apr 22, 2009: CDC activates emergency operations.
May 15, 2009: Over 1,000,000 tests released
Aug 31, 2009: Prototype vaccine developed
So. Four and a half months from first case to an early
vaccine. Compare to Trump on COVID-19:
Jan 22, 2020: "We have it totally under control. It's one
person coming in from China. It's going to be just fine."
Feb 02, 2020: "We pretty much shut it down coming in from China."
Feb 24, 2020: "The Coronavirus is very much under control in
the USA... Stock Market starting to look very good to me!"
Feb 25, 2020: "CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job
of handling Coronavirus."
Feb 25, 2020: "I think that's a problem that's going to go away...
They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we're
very close to a vaccine."
Feb 26, 2020: "The 15 (cases in the US) within a few days is
going to be down to close to zero."
Feb 26, 2020: "We're going very substantially down, not up."
Feb 27, 2020: "One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear."
Mar 04, 2020: "If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of
people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and
even going to work -- some of them go to work, but they get better."
Mar 06, 2020: "Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that
needs a test gets a test." (As of Mar 15, 2020, the US had
administered less than 5,000 tests, according to the CDC.)
Mar 06, 2020: "I don't need to have the numbers double because
of one ship that wasn't our fault."
Mar 09, 2020: "This blindsided the world."
Well, it blindsided the president! He's in way, way over
his head. For the good of the country, he should at least
admit it and find someone competent to manage the crisis.
World-wide cases just topped 182,000 cases. In the US, we've
topped 4,200 and are doubling roughly every three days. Since
we do not have wide-scale testing, because Trump turned down
tests from the WHO, we have no idea whether the social distancing
measures put into place over the last week and a half are
working, let alone sufficient.
This isn't funny anymore, guys; it's time to let the adults
take over and fix the mess.
--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/03/12 (Windows/32)
Nice write-up. Yeah, we're screwed.
Why? I don't understand the panic. Everybody is talking about Covid-19, while at the same time "good old" Influenza is killing about ten times
as many people - at least in Germany. In winter 2018/2019 we had 25,000 people dying from Influenza, but no special measures were taken. So far, we've had 16 deaths from Corona and people act as if it were the end of the world. At the same time, more than 200 died from Influenza and noone talks about that. The Corona virus is spreading so fast, because 80% of the people don't even notice when they have it!
Nice write-up. Yeah, we're screwed.
I tried the math from a different direction. I know firsthand how hard
it is to get a test, because my girlfriend has COVID and it took us a
week of begging and basically lying to providers to finally get the
test. "Confirmed Cases" is in no way an indication of how many people
are infected.
So let's start with the number of people dead from the virus in the US, which (last I checked) is 69. The virus kills at a rate of 1% of
infected people. The incubation period is typically two-ish weeks before people are symptomatic, so let's use 14 days as our assumed "infected person" -> "dead person" metric (which is very conservative, actually). That means, if we pretend that everyone that died of coronavirus in the
US died TODAY (false), that two weeks ago these people were all
infected. 1% death rate means start two weeks ago with 6900 infected persons in the US. Now multiply by 1.4 (rate of daily infection) by 14 days and...we've got at least 135k infected people in the US. We're
hosed.
Oh gosh; was she confirmed? How are you both doing?
Really really interesting analysis, but I'm going to
quibble with your numbers just a tad. In particular,
the 69 deaths were cumulative, not just in one day.
But I think that changes your numbers just by days,
not fundamentally.
DC> World-wide cases just topped 182,000 cases. In the US, we've
DC> topped 4,200 and are doubling roughly every three days. Since
DC> we do not have wide-scale testing, because Trump turned down
DC> tests from the WHO, we have no idea whether the social distancing
DC> measures put into place over the last week and a half are
DC> working, let alone sufficient.
Nice write-up. Yeah, we're screwed.
I tried the math from a different direction. I know firsthand how hard it
is
to get a test, because my girlfriend has COVID and it took us a week of begging and basically lying to providers to finally get the test.
"Confirmed
Cases" is in no way an indication of how many people are infected.
So let's start with the number of people dead from the virus in the US,
which
(last I checked) is 69. The virus kills at a rate of 1% of infected people. The incubation period is typically two-ish weeks before people are symptomatic, so let's use 14 days as our assumed "infected person" -> "dead person" metric (which is very conservative, actually). That means, if we pretend that everyone that died of coronavirus in the US died TODAY
(false),
that two weeks ago these people were all infected. 1% death rate means
start
two weeks ago with 6900 infected persons in the US. Now multiply by 1.4
(rate
of daily infection) by 14 days and...we've got at least 135k infected
people
in the US. We're hosed.
Nice write-up. Yeah, we're screwed.
Why? I don't understand the panic. Everybody is talking about Covid-19,
while at the same time "good old" Influenza is killing about ten times as many people - at least in Germany. In winter 2018/2019 we had 25,000 people dying from Influenza, but no special measures were taken. So far, we've had 16 deaths from Corona and people act as if it were the end of the world. At the same time, more than 200 died from Influenza and noone talks about
that. The Corona virus is spreading so fast, because 80% of the people
don't even notice when they have it!
GS> Why? I don't understand the panic. Everybody is talking about
Covid-19,
GS> while at the same time "good old" Influenza is killing about ten
times
GS> as many people - at least in Germany. In winter 2018/2019 we had
25,000
GS> people dying from Influenza, but no special measures were taken. So far,
GS> we've had 16 deaths from Corona and people act as if it were the end
of
GS> the world. At the same time, more than 200 died from Influenza and noone
GS> talks about that. The Corona virus is spreading so fast, because 80%
of
GS> the people don't even notice when they have it!
Coronavirus is anywhere from 10-30x as deadly and spreads much more easily >than the flu. The panic is necessary to contain it.
Oh gosh; was she confirmed? How are you both doing?
Today is actually the first day in over a week she doesn't have a fever, and her symptoms are lessening .She still has a nasty cough but the rest of her symptoms are much more manageable.
She was tested finally Sunday and we'll know for sure the results within the next couple of days.
Sadly I'm becoming symptomatic now. It sucks.
Yeah, acknowledged, that was actually a bit intentional, because it plays into the "most conservative estimate" piece. In other words, the math assumes a statistical best-case scenario.
Funny thing is the CDC used your math as its own basis to
determine how many people would likely die in the US as a result
of the coronavirus, at a kill rate of 1% of infected people.
So you know what the CDC's answer was? 1.7 million dead.
Just in the USA.
Fingers crossed that it all turns out ok.
Oh no; I'm very sorry to hear that. I hope it ends up
being mild.
Ah, I think I see how you arrived at that. Ok.
Nice write-up. Yeah, we're screwed.
Thanks for the compliment; if only the news were better. :-(
I tried the math from a different direction. I know firsthand how hard >RF>it is to get a test, because my girlfriend has COVID and it took us a >RF>week of begging and basically lying to providers to finally get the >RF>test. "Confirmed Cases" is in no way an indication of how many people >RF>are infected.
Oh gosh; was she confirmed? How are you both doing?
So let's start with the number of people dead from the virus in the US, >RF>which (last I checked) is 69. The virus kills at a rate of 1% of >RF>infected people. The incubation period is typically two-ish weeks before >RF>people are symptomatic, so let's use 14 days as our assumed "infected >RF>person" -> "dead person" metric (which is very conservative, actually). >RF>That means, if we pretend that everyone that died of coronavirus in the >RF>US died TODAY (false), that two weeks ago these people were all >RF>infected. 1% death rate means start two weeks ago with 6900 infected >RF>persons in the US. Now multiply by 1.4 (rate of daily infection) by 14 >RF>days and...we've got at least 135k infected people in the US. We're >RF>hosed.
Really really interesting analysis, but I'm going to
quibble with your numbers just a tad. In particular,
the 69 deaths were cumulative, not just in one day.
But I think that changes your numbers just by days,
not fundamentally.
Yeah. We're hosed.
Bottom line, we are looking at 160+ million infected and 10 to 12
million dead people due to the coronavirus in the USA by the end of
this year - and maybe much higher.
One other thing. The curve (rate of infection) is not actually
parabolic, but quadratic. You can chart it out on graph paper with
the numbers reported by the news media. Statistics 101.
Funny thing is the CDC used your math as its own basis to
determine how many people would likely die in the US as a result
of the coronavirus, at a kill rate of 1% of infected people.
So you know what the CDC's answer was? 1.7 million dead.
Just in the USA.
The IFR (Infection-Fatality Rate) varies across locations
in accordance to how developed healthcare infrastructure is
in the location, capacity, etc.
In Italy it went through the roof once they ran out of hospital space and
could no longer effectively treat people. 1% is about right for the US.
Not gonna happen, my man. We gonna die. Some of us fast,
some of us slow. But we all gonna die.
One other thing. The curve (rate of infection) is not actually >LL>parabolic, but quadratic. You can chart it out on graph paper with
the numbers reported by the news media. Statistics 101.
I've found this video to be a good primer on the
growth rate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kas0tIxDvrg
Bottom line, we are looking at 160+ million infected and 10 to 12 >LL>million dead people due to the coronavirus in the USA by the end of >LL>this year - and maybe much higher.
Yeah. The only thing that would prevent this would be a vaccine or a >legitimate quarantine, neither of which are realistic right now.
I think what we'll see instead are repeated attempts of very limited >quarantines which result in people not being able to work and a further >breakdown of society.
Not gonna happen, my man. We gonna die. Some of us fast,
some of us slow. But we all gonna die.
They're going to have to be abstemious when it comes to triage. "Nobody over
80 gets a bed, sorry." Sad reality.
In Italy it went through the roof once they ran out of hospital space and
could no longer effectively treat people. 1% is about right for the US.
You think so? You really think so?
Far too complicated for the "stable genius" we have occupying
the White House to understand, as he is mathematically impaired.
You think something simpler can be found?
Alexey Shmonov wrote to Dan Cross <=-
Sorry I missed the start of this conversation, but who are the adults though and are they still around?
Ryan Fantus wrote to Gerhard Strangar <=-
Coronavirus is anywhere from 10-30x as deadly
and spreads much more easily than the flu.
The panic is necessary to contain it.
Not gonna happen, my man. We gonna die. Some of us fast,
some of us slow. But we all gonna die.
They're going to have to be abstemious when it comes to triage. "Nobody over
80 gets a bed, sorry." Sad reality.
The "adults" he is referring to are the Leftie elites who, as usual,
think that they know better than everyone else (but really couldn't find their rear end without a guide).
andIn Italy it went through the roof once they ran out of hospital space
could no longer effectively treat people. 1% is about right for the US. >LL>You think so? You really think so?
Yes, I do. As long as we can keep the number of occupied
hospital beds below the threshold, we'll maintain that
rate. The unfortunate reality, however, is that we're
unlikely to be able to do that, so our mortality rate will
also spike.
As I said earlier, the IFR (Infection-fatality rate) varies
across healthcare systems. As jacked up as our system is,
our actual standard of care is very good (if accessible).
Until it gets overwhelmed, the IFR in the US will remain
around 1%.
Far too complicated for the "stable genius" we have occupying
the White House to understand, as he is mathematically impaired.
You think something simpler can be found?
Unfortunately, no; nothing will penetrate that moron's
thick skull. Whatever capacity he ever had for basic
human emotions like empathy, introspection, etc, has
been completely trained out of him. He'll never get it.
He's now saying he always thought it was a pandemic and
patting himself on the back for how well he's handling
it and has handled it so far. What a joke: he basically
ignored it for two months. His mindless sheep are already
repeating the talking points.
The cognitive dissonance is so strong that they just
cannot see how incompetent he is. What happened to
that racist Trump Train guy? I suppose he scurried
away to some dark corner of the Internet once he outed
himself as just being motivated for his hatred of a
man's skin. But that he can support this obvious
failure, this blatant con-man, and say with a straight
face that he prefers a "businessman" (who has failed
just about every business he's tried!) is an amazing
case study in willful ignorance. People would rather
basically kill themselves by following a life-long
grifter rather than find someone competent to lead us
through this crisis since the competent people don't
agree with them politically. They might literally
drown on the fluid in their own lungs as long as they
get to call the other side "libtard."
It's astounding.
On 03-19-20 23:25, Lee Lofaso <=-
spoke to Dan Cross about Pandemic <=-
What will be needed is field hospitals, using tents as rooms.
And converting hospital beds to ICU beds. Otherwise, it will
be a lost cause.
To give you an idea as to how many test kits are available,
just look at the numbers. The state of Louisiana has four and
a half million people. The highest number of tests it has been
able to do is 172. A total of 669 tests over 7 days.
Look at total tested and total cases -
Total tested - 805 over 8 days
Total positive - 347 over 8 days
That is rate fast approaching 50%.
Think about how many folks who have the coronavirus who
have never been tested. And might never get tested.
Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
You are an immoral liar.
Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
You are an immoral liar.
Excuse me.
But I believe you've mistaken me for someone else.
Like someone who cares about what Leftie "thinks".
On 18 Mar 2020 at 01:17p, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...
The "adults" he is referring to are the Leftie elites who, as usual,
think that they know better than everyone else (but really couldn't find their rear end without a guide).
It's ok, there's a tweet for every occasion!
Hee's a nice tweet;
`Hi, Nancy. I'm on my way over to sign Trump's acquittal papers. Have you got any of those fancy gold pens left for me to hand out?' ...Mitch McConnell
What will be needed is field hospitals, using tents as rooms.
And converting hospital beds to ICU beds. Otherwise, it will
be a lost cause.
I saw in the news tonight that a county in Washington state is
converting an empty soccer field into a 200 bed hospital. More of that
sort of thing will be needed (but that is not all that is needed by any >means).
To give you an idea as to how many test kits are available,
just look at the numbers. The state of Louisiana has four and
a half million people. The highest number of tests it has been
able to do is 172. A total of 669 tests over 7 days.
Look at total tested and total cases -
Total tested - 805 over 8 days
Total positive - 347 over 8 days
That is rate fast approaching 50%.
That sounds like they are only testing people who are already showing
signs of infection.
Think about how many folks who have the coronavirus who
have never been tested. And might never get tested.
In some areas of mass testing in Europe, about half of the people who
tested positive showed no symptoms.
Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
No, I think not. You're immoral. You're a liar.
I bet you proclaim yourself to be a "Christian" too,
right?
How many of your relatives are on the public
dole, and how many are chronic substance abusers?
Then why did you respond?
It's people like you, yes, you specifically, who
got us into this mess with a reality TV star for
a president. Good job!
Right-wing "thought" at its "best". Tell me,
where'd the racist go?
It's people like you, yes, you specifically, who
got us into this mess with a reality TV star for
a president. Good job!
Thank you! Record unemployment. Record prosperity.
Right-wing "thought" at its "best". Tell me,
where'd the racist go?
The racists became Democrats. Actually, the racists were always Democrats.
The racists became Democrats. Actually, the racists were always Democrats.
(At least until their Chinese Flu hit.)
Coronavirus is anywhere from 10-30x as deadly and spreads much more
easily than the flu. The panic is necessary to contain it.
Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
All gone now. But I bet you'll cash your socialist
check when it comes.
I meant specifically the right-winger who was posting
here earlier. You know, the racist one? He might take
exception to you calling him a democrat.
But we know you're cool with Americans dying.
I'm still drinking my Cajun vodka, knowing it will keep
me safe from harm. Since I started drinking that stuff I
cannot remember the last time I had a virus ...
The cognitive dissonance is so strong that they just
cannot see how incompetent he is. What happened to
that racist Trump Train guy? I suppose he scurried
away to some dark corner of the Internet once he outed
himself as just being motivated for his hatred of a
man's skin. But that he can support this obvious
failure, this blatant con-man, and say with a straight
face that he prefers a "businessman" (who has failed
just about every business he's tried!) is an amazing
case study in willful ignorance.
Louisiana has a US Representative (Clay Higgins) who
is trying to imitate Trump with the coronavirus the "Chinese virus"
Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
All gone now. But I bet you'll cash your socialist
check when it comes.
I won't be getting one. I'm still working and I'll be working for the forseeable future.
You see, unlike Lefties, I'm actually competant.
Waiting for this PITA covid-19 to run it's course so that all of us can get back to normal.
I did not scurry anywhere.
When this is all over and the invisible enemy has been defeated.
America will be smashing through the gate containing her.
All you people creating and peddling this rhetoric are going to look mighty foolish.
Why? I don't understand the panic. Everybody is talking about Covid-19, while at the same time "good old" Influenza is killing about ten times as many people - at least in Germany. In winter 2018/2019 we had 25,000 people dying from Influenza, but no special measures were taken. So far, we've had 16 deaths from Corona and people act as if it were the end of the world. At the same time, more than 200 died from Influenza and noone talks about that. The Corona virus is spreading so fast, because 80% of the people don't even notice when they have it!
When they declare something to be a Pandemic, it's because they can't contain it. So the panic is useless. COVID-19 is already not containable.
Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
You're a liar and a coward.
Richard Falken wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
That is more or less what I suspect will happen. I don't bet a vaccine will show up soon enough to cut this crap short.
But until it happens, it sucks. I mean, I have insider information that some Spanish hospitals are not taking old people in. If you show up
with sympthoms, they tell you to go to your house. If your are very
bad, they tell you to go to your house and die there.
At least the US is provisioning stadiums and the like for making
campaign hospitals. Our disease management consists in blaming the
prime minister we had before for the budget cuts in welfare while miss-managing the resources available now.
I am sorry I am so sour, but it is depressing. The subject popped up in certain web forum I am active in which has a No Politics rule, and moderators essentially started punishing people who disliked the
current management of the situation while allowing everybody who
supports the current policies to spread their crap.
Richard Falken wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
Really? Only 35% of them get the flu shot?
I think it is even lower in Spain.
There are lots of stats about how effective flu shots are supposed to
be, but I am always a bit weary of those. The shots available are
usually for a very reduced range of virus sub-types, I think, and you
can very well get the shot and then get one of the flus that was not covered :-) So if you are at risk then it is good to take it, I guess,
but I am not very optimistic regarding results.
Gerhard Strangar wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-
We surely are, but not because of Corona. The chance to die because of
a heart disease is about 25%, cancer is another 20%.
Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
You're a liar and a coward.
And Social Justice Warriors still always project.
On 03-28-20 09:57, Ron Lauzon <=-
spoke to Richard Falken about Re: Pandemic <=-
We do have treatments that are showing
to be effective - hydrocholoquinine (probably spelled that wrong) is showing itself to be effective as a pre-treatment as well as a post-treatment.
All we can really do is keep the health system from being overloaded.
But I think we are getting close to that right now.
The bad thing is that will prevent an honest post-problem evaluation
from happening so that we can put plans in place to mitigate future pandemics.
I take it as reality smacking us hard to teach us a lesson. With any luck, we will learn something from this and be better next time.
Dale Shipp wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
I don't think that there is evidence of that other than a few antedotal cases.
We had exactly such a planning group, installed by the Obama administration. However, since it was an Obama thing -- Trump killed
it.
I suspect we are getting there. Lots of Spanish politicians are getting >RF>it. I suspect that the reason why we know it is because politicians are >RF>taking the test, and everybody else isn't.
Most of us are going to get it over time. The good news is that the
majority
of us won't get very sick and will naturally get better. The better news is >that once that happens, herd immunity kicks in and naturally controls it.
Then you need to keep up on information not from Leftie "news" sources.
We had exactly such a planning group, installed by the Obama administration. However, since it was an Obama thing -- Trump killed it.
Right... If it was an Osama...er... Obama thing, it was useless and deserved to go.
But the whole "Trump defunded the CDC" narrative has
already been debunked as fake news.
Does it hurt to be this stupid?
Does it hurt to be this stupid?
This is a liberal tactic to call what you understand as stupid, or
perhaps you think you understand and like to consider yourself more educated to discredit another point of view.
I do not think Ron is stupid or uneducated, he is more spot on then you realize but then again he probably does not watch CNN or PMS-NBC.
(of which is why his mind is not mush)
The left portrays themselves as arrogant, but what it is really is ignorance.
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Ah, the racist is back.
Does it hurt to be this stupid?
This is a liberal tactic to call what you understand as stupid, or perhaps you think you understand and like to consider yourself more educated to discredit another point of view.
When someone says something stupid, over and over again,
and they refuse to be corrected, over and over again, then
either they're willfully ignorant, or stupid. Really,
that's a distinction without a difference.
I do not think Ron is stupid or uneducated, he is more spot on then y realize but then again he probably does not watch CNN or PMS-NBC. (of which is why his mind is not mush)
He's a liar, as are you. Seriously, why do you guys hate
America so much? Why the rejection of science? Why the
adulation of the orange wannabe in the White House?
Let's compare what the community organizer did while H1N1 happened.The left portrays themselves as arrogant, but what it is really is ignorance.
Go ahead; tell me where I'm wrong. Be specific. I'll
wait.
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Seriously, though; how are you not embarrassed by this
stupid little graphic?
We do have treatments that are showing
to be effective - hydrocholoquinine (probably spelled that wrong) is >RL>showing itself to be effective as a pre-treatment as well as a >RL>post-treatment.
I don't think that there is evidence of that other than a few antedotal >cases. Those drugs have yet been subjected to a trial study to see if
they are effective and what the side effects might be.
All we can really do is keep the health system from being overloaded. >RL>But I think we are getting close to that right now.
In some areas the health system is well pass being overloaded.
The bad thing is that will prevent an honest post-problem evaluation >RL>from happening so that we can put plans in place to mitigate future >RL>pandemics.
We had exactly such a planning group, installed by the Obama
administration. However, since it was an Obama thing -- Trump killed
it.
I take it as reality smacking us hard to teach us a lesson. With any >RL>luck, we will learn something from this and be better next time.
See above.
Ah, the racist is back.
Back? what makes you believe that? The fact that I call a spade a spade.
Why do you have a problem with me calling the first black President a moron. >(the worst President in American History) There are other words that I could >call him but those words would be considered as racist, I am not so I >wouldn't use those. I voted for him the first time around, so you're wrong >again but that is nothing new.
DC> GD> DC> Does it hurt to be this stupid?
DC> GD>
DC> GD> This is a liberal tactic to call what you understand as stupid,
or
DC> GD> perhaps you think you understand and like to consider yourself more
DC> GD> educated to discredit another point of view.
DC>
DC> When someone says something stupid, over and over again,
DC> and they refuse to be corrected, over and over again, then
DC> either they're willfully ignorant, or stupid. Really,
DC> that's a distinction without a difference.
Wrong because why, because you said so?
DC> GD> I do not think Ron is stupid or uneducated, he is more spot on then y
DC> GD> realize but then again he probably does not watch CNN or
PMS-NBC.
DC> GD> (of which is why his mind is not mush)
DC>
DC> He's a liar, as are you. Seriously, why do you guys hate
DC> America so much? Why the rejection of science? Why the
DC> adulation of the orange wannabe in the White House?
Our actions are far from hating America. You continue to have it backwards.
DC>
DC> GD> The left portrays themselves as arrogant, but what it is really
is
DC> GD> ignorance.
DC>
DC> Go ahead; tell me where I'm wrong. Be specific. I'll
DC> wait.
Let's compare what the community organizer did while H1N1 happened.
Did not declare it National Emergency - until 10 mo
Did not shut down the borders.
Did not put forth a travel ban.
Many people died when they did not need to, if these provisions were used it
would of saved lives.
Lets compare what the Business Man has done while COVID-19
When it was discovered that one American Citizen had covid-19
Did install a travel ban from China, which saved lives.
Did install a second ban from Europe, which continued to save lives.
Has the best advisors, Doctors, and medical professionals providing the best
information.
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DC> Seriously, though; how are you not embarrassed by this
DC> stupid little graphic?
I am glad you "enjoy" it so much.
My BBS is Capital Station BBS - Capital Station meaning having to do with >trains, so it makes perfect sense. Would it annoy you less if the third box >said something else?
You're only one, in fidonet who has a problem with this, as of this
moment.
Hello Greg,
Barack Obama was half-white and half-black,
Wrong because why, because you said so?A heavyweight boxer does not have to be smart to pack a mighty punch.
SARS was in 2009, and MERS later. SARS is 85% similar to what
the coronavirus (COVID-19) is. Why did Big Pharma refuse to work
towards finding a vaccine in 2009? Several coronaviruses have
since emerged, including the present coronavirus that causes
COVID-19. Fortunately, the Obama administration (with help from
the rest of the world) was able to contain the SARS epidemic, as
well as MERS. However, the Trump administration chose to treat
the current coronavirus as a joke, and never took the threat
seriously, until it became epidemic here in the USA.
LL> >Lets compare what the Business Man has done while COVID-19
He has done nothing, until too late.
And yet Trump insists all is well and wants to re-open the economy
thus allowing the coronavirus to run wild and unchecked until every
man, woman and child in the USA has been infected or dead.
Trains. The perfect vehicle to transport folks so those who are
infected can infect others, while always staying within the borders
of the USA. With Governor Cuomo in charge of the state, and Mayor
de Blasio in charge of NYC, there may not be any more safe places
left.
On 03-31-20 08:03, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dan Cross about Re: Pandemic <=-
Back? what makes you believe that? The fact that I call a spade a
spade. Why do you have a problem with me calling the first black President a moron. (the worst President in American History) There are
Lets compare what the Business Man has done while COVID-19
When it was discovered that one American Citizen had covid-19
Did install a travel ban from China, which saved lives.
Did install a second ban from Europe, which continued to save lives.
Has the best advisors, Doctors, and medical professionals providing
the best information.
The cognitive dissonance is so strong that they just
cannot see how incompetent he is. What happened to
Gregory Deyss wrote to Dan Cross <=-
This is a liberal tactic to call what you understand as stupid, or
perhaps you think you understand and like to consider yourself more educated to discredit another point of view.
I do not think Ron is stupid or uneducated, he is more spot on then you realize but then again he probably does not watch CNN or PMS-NBC.
(of which is why his mind is not mush)
The left portrays themselves as arrogant, but what it is really is ignorance.
Dan Cross wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-
When someone says something stupid, over and over again,
and they refuse to be corrected, over and over again, then
either they're willfully ignorant, or stupid. Really,
that's a distinction without a difference.
He's a liar, as are you. Seriously, why do you guys hate
America so much? Why the rejection of science? Why the
adulation of the orange wannabe in the White House?
Gregory Deyss wrote to Dan Cross <=-
Our actions are far from hating America. You continue to have it backwards.
On 04-01-20 00:00, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Pandemic <=-
And yet Trump insists all is well and wants to re-open the economy
thus allowing the coronavirus to run wild and unchecked until every
man, woman and child in the USA has been infected or dead.
Wrong. There parts of the U.S. where the COVID-19 is under control and
yet other places where a lot more caution is deemed necessary such NYC
and Washington State.
On 04-01-20 00:00, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Pandemic <=-
And yet Trump insists all is well and wants to re-open the economy thus allowing the coronavirus to run wild and unchecked until every man, woman and child in the USA has been infected or dead.
Wrong. There parts of the U.S. where the COVID-19 is under control an yet other places where a lot more caution is deemed necessary such NY and Washington State.
Really -- where is it under control?
The cognitive dissonance is so strong that they just
cannot see how incompetent he is. What happened to
Incompetent at what? Being an epidemic expert?
How would liberals react if Trump completely closed down the country,
took power away from governors, and mandated that all citizens remain on their own property until a solution to the virus could be found? Will
that make liberals happy, or will they complain that "the president is over-reacting?"
Dan Cross wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-
When someone says something stupid, over and over again,
and they refuse to be corrected, over and over again, then
either they're willfully ignorant, or stupid. Really,
that's a distinction without a difference.
Curb your elitism.
You presume to be more intelligent than me. You have not shown that.
And every time you use the term "stupid" and "liar", you are simply proving that you aren't nearly intelligent as you think you are.
He's a liar, as are you. Seriously, why do you guys hate
America so much? Why the rejection of science? Why the
adulation of the orange wannabe in the White House?
We love America. That's why we don't want the Lefties remaking it in their image. Every country that has tried that has failed horribly -
for exactly the same reasons.
Gloming on to the one "scientific" paper that proves your point, while ignoring the hundres that disprove your point is not "science".
Pointing this out is not "ignoreing" science either.
And we don't adore Trump. Many of us have issues with what he's doing. But we've seen the alternatives and he's way better - as he's proven.
"One day -- like a miracle --- it'll disappear."
Yah, he's proven what he is, all right. And that's an
utter failure.
Incompetent at what? Being an epidemic expert?
Umm...more like incompetent at everything he tries.
their own property until a solution to the virus could be found? Will that make liberals happy, or will they complain that "the president i over-reacting?"
IF it were done in accordance to a data-driven
policy recommendation backed by actual experts, I
On 04-02-20 07:50, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Pandemic <=-
Wrong. There parts of the U.S. where the COVID-19
is under control an
yet other places where a lot more caution is
deemed necessary such NY
and Washington State.
Really -- where is it under control?
There are counties within states that have no COVID-19.
I remain that confident that we will get through this.
On 04-02-20 07:50, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Pandemic <=-
Wrong. There parts of the U.S. where the COVID-19
is under control an
yet other places where a lot more caution is
deemed necessary such NY
and Washington State.
Really -- where is it under control?
There are counties within states that have no COVID-19.
And what about the counties around them? The fact that they do not yet have verified infections of covid-19 does not mean that they will not
get them, or that they may not already have untested infections. It
will not be under control anywhere until it is under control everywhere.
It cannot be said that it is under control until after the infection has hit, and then beaten.
DS> GD> I remain that confident that we will getthrough this. DS>
Of course we will get through this -- but at a high cost, both in human life and economically. The cost would have been less if we, as a
nation, had acted sooner -- but we did not and are now paying the price.
Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
Oh, ok snowflake. Need a safe space from the big bad
left-leaning liberal meanie on Fidonet?
You buy into a fantasy world of lies spun for you by
objectively incompetent idiots. What more evidence
do I need that you are willfully ignorant?
You hate America. You can't stand its freedoms nor
that it is a society FOR the people and BY the people.
Those people are starting to not be like YOU anymore,
and it scares you. But instead of embracing change
and trying to weave a new American tapestry, you'd
rather set it on fire. Pathetic.
Oh, and have you ever been to Europe? Denmark is pretty
nice, you know.
Gregory Deyss wrote to Dale Shipp <=-
January is when he acted with the travel ban, what where the Democrats doing this time, they were trying to still impeach the President during this time.
And one thing that I keep not hearing is "Obama handled the 2009 H1N1 pandemic so much better."
January is when he acted with the travel ban, what where the Democrat doing this time, they were trying to still impeach the President duri this time.
And one thing that I keep not hearing is "Obama handled the 2009 H1N1 pandemic so much better."
Incompetent at what? Being an epidemic expert?
Umm...more like incompetent at everything he tries.
Uh... nice generalization.
their own property until a solution to the virus could be found? that make liberals happy, or will they complain that "the presid over-reacting?"
IF it were done in accordance to a data-driven
policy recommendation backed by actual experts, I
Too technical! How much science does it really take? No human on the
earth is an epidemic expert. What's the final word on all that "policy recommendation backed by actual experts?" You think people who want foodstamps for nuthin' and their liquor for free care about "policy recommendation backed by actual experts?"
"One day -- like a miracle --- it'll disappear."
Optimism is a good quality.
Yah, he's proven what he is, all right. And that's an
utter failure.
Pessimism is what drives failure.
Incompetent at what? Being an epidemic expert?
Umm...more like incompetent at everything he tries.
Uh... nice generalization.
Backed by evidence. So sorry you can't handle that truth.
See, here's where you idiots go off the rails. Yes, there
actually _are_ experts in this world, and what they say
really does matter more than your uninformed opinion. What
are YOUR academic qualifications?
astounding. Rates of chronic substance abuse and government
assistance have been shown, time and again, to be MUCH higher
I know why. Because you're scared of people who know more
than you do, and resent the hell out of them. So you project
onto the "left".
Optimism is a good quality.
That's one of the dumbest things I've read today.
You don't pray away a pandemic.
On 04-03-20 08:29, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Pandemic <=-
There are counties within states that have no COVID-19.
And what about the counties around them? The fact that they do not yet have verified infections of covid-19 does not mean that they will not
get them, or that they may not already have untested infections. It
will not be under control anywhere until it is under control everywhere.
It cannot be said that it is under control until after the infection has hit, and then beaten.
If the virus does not yet exist within a particular county and people
stay home then it is probable that will never exist there and hence control will be maintained.
Optimism and positivism instead of the opposite.
I remain that confident that we will get through this.
Of course we will get through this -- but at a high cost, both in human life and economically. The cost would have been less if we, as a
nation, had acted sooner -- but we did not and are now paying the price.
January is when he acted with the travel ban, what where the Democrats doing this time, they were trying to still impeach the President during this time.
If the virus does not yet exist within a particular county and people
stay home then it is probable that will never exist there and hence control will be maintained.
Optimism and positivism instead of the opposite.
January is when he acted with the travel ban, what where the Democrats doing this time, they were trying to still impeach the President during this time.
Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
Oh, ok snowflake. Need a safe space from the big bad
left-leaning liberal meanie on Fidonet?
Well, at least it wasn't "OK, Boomer".
You buy into a fantasy world of lies spun for you by
objectively incompetent idiots. What more evidence
do I need that you are willfully ignorant?
So... I refuse to participate in your delusion and that makes me "willfully ignorant". Right...
I think that Trump Derangement Syndrome is a bigger problem than
COVID-19.
You hate America. You can't stand its freedoms nor
that it is a society FOR the people and BY the people.
Those people are starting to not be like YOU anymore,
and it scares you. But instead of embracing change
and trying to weave a new American tapestry, you'd
rather set it on fire. Pathetic.
Where's the argument? Stating your beliefs over and over again doesn't make them true.
The fool indicating a National Epidemic in October of that year and yet
no travel ban to slow the spread w/ people from other countries infecting Americans.
Perhaps he should of stayed a community organizer, and shouldn't have
ran for office of the Presidency, those American's who died would still
be alive today.
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What truth? You still haven't said jack.
See, here's where you idiots go off the rails. Yes, there
actually _are_ experts in this world, and what they say
You tried to elect that epidemic expert named Hillary Clinton, but you failed. Now the whole country is suffering because Trump's nowhere near the epidemic expert that Hillary Clinton is. I think she had a dual
major at the University.
I'm not an epidemic expert either, but I think I might have a case of Anderson Cooper Derangement Syndrome. Don't worry Dan, nobody in this
echo is nearly as epidemic expert as you. Tell us how to survive and
we'll listen to you since the liberal media won't let us hear what the president has to say.
You don't pray away a pandemic.
I do - but luckily my president, vice president, and senate are my
backup.
On 03 Apr 2020 at 08:29a, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...
If the virus does not yet exist within a particular county and people stay home then it is probable that will never exist there and hence control will be maintained.
That's just not how it works, and it's obvious that you
are too ignorant to understand the distinction.
Optimism and positivism instead of the opposite.
"Hope is not a strategy."
January is when he acted with the travel ban, what where the Democrat doing this time, they were trying to still impeach the President duri this time.
Trump himself has said the impeachment was not a factor.
The "travel" ban was just for Chinese nationals, not
everyone coming in from China. Since the virus isn't
racist, it was a less-than-half measure that was totally
ineffective.
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I remember back in the 90's when BBSes started showing
up on USENET in earnest: stuff like this got laughed
back to Fidonet. Some losers never change. Choo choo!
On 04-03-20 08:29, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Pandemic <=-
There are counties within states that have no COVID-19.
And what about the counties around them? The fact that they do not y have verified infections of covid-19 does not mean that they will not get them, or that they may not already have untested infections. It will not be under control anywhere until it is under control everywhe
It cannot be said that it is under control until after the infection h hit, and then beaten.
Of course we will get through this -- but at a high cost, both in hum life and economically. The cost would have been less if we, as a nation, had acted sooner -- but we did not and are now paying the pri
January is when he acted with the travel ban, what where the Democrat doing this time, they were trying to still impeach the President duri this time.
Your point is? Trump was playing golf.
On 04-04-20 21:16, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Pandemic <=-
There are counties within states that have no COVID-19.
And what about the counties around them? The
fact that they do not y
have verified infections of covid-19 does not
mean that they will not
get them, or that they may not already have untested infections. It
will not be under control anywhere until it is
under control everywhe
There was a travel ban first with China and then this was extended to Europe and no it was not just for nationals of that country as has been incorrectly stated by FAKE NEWS reporter Dan Cross..
We are all in this together, this means myself and it also means you
as well, As well as your family as well as mine.
I am working from home and have been since March 17th. Someone in the office, self quarantined themselves and it was later determined that
they were infected with Covid-19. I am thankful to be working from
home, it could be quite sometime before I return to the office. Part of
me is in no rush to return to the office, but I will also be naturally relieved, at the same time.
The virus does not care if you're Liberal or a Conservative.
It does not care if you're Democrat or a Republican either.
Squabbling about it, will not solve anything.
Of course we will get through this -- but at a
high cost, both in hum
life and economically. The cost would have been less if we, as a
nation, had acted sooner -- but we did not and
are now paying the pri
Acted Sooner?
Obama played golf also so what, he didn't even institute a travel ban
at ALL. He did not even call it a "National Epidemic" until October
-- he played his ass off, playing golf.
So again your point is, what exactly...?
You know who really lied? The Communist party of China.
There was a travel ban first with China and then this was extended to Europe and no it was not just for nationals of that country as has be incorrectly stated by FAKE NEWS reporter Dan Cross..
?? What does that have to do with the current conversation -- Other than to toss an insult at someone who you disagree with?
We are all in this together, this means myself and it also means you as well, As well as your family as well as mine.
True.
I am working from home and have been since March 17th. Someone in the office, self quarantined themselves and it was later determined that they were infected with Covid-19. I am thankful to be working from home, it could be quite sometime before I return to the office. Part me is in no rush to return to the office, but I will also be naturall relieved, at the same time.
Then you are acting responsively. Unlike some folks who are encouraging mass gatherings (e.g. look at Trump's statement about packing the
churches on Easter Sunday).
The virus does not care if you're Liberal or a Conservative.
It does not care if you're Democrat or a Republican either.
True.
Squabbling about it, will not solve anything.
What can help solve things is if people speak truth to power and stopdrinking the kool-aid.
Acted Sooner?
Yes -- we were warned that it was coming as far back as January. But Trump kept denying that it was a problem, instead calling it a hoax.
His travel bans did nothing to stop the spread of the infection -- the virus was already here.
Obama played golf also so what, he didn't even institute a travel ban at ALL. He did not even call it a "National Epidemic" until October -- he played his ass off, playing golf.
So again your point is, what exactly...?
Obama played golf, yes. But far less than Trump.
You know who really lied? The Communist party of China.
But that could be expected from an adversary like China. It should not
be expected from *OUR* President.
You don't pray away a pandemic.
I do - but luckily my president, vice president, and senate are my >AT>backup.
Then you're really, really fucked.
January is when he acted with the travel ban, what where the Dem doing this time, they were trying to still impeach the President this time.
Trump himself has said the impeachment was not a factor.
The "travel" ban was just for Chinese nationals, not
everyone coming in from China. Since the virus isn't
racist, it was a less-than-half measure that was totally
ineffective.
Just for Chinese nationals? Considering it game from Wuhan, China . It
was a ban on travel coming from China. Why are you trying to twist, what the facts are as they have been stated.
Save yourself and STOP watching CNN and MSNBC.
Your the only one, who seems to have a continued issue with this.
My node of 150 is one of many BBS systems with my network of NET 267, no one w/ my downlinks has a issue with this. To my knowledge no one (who matters) within fidonet has any issue with this.
There was a travel ban first with China and then this was extended to Europe and no it was not just for nationals of that country as has been incorrectly stated by FAKE NEWS reporter Dan Cross..
We are all in this together, this means myself and it also means you as well, As well as your family as well as mine.
That type of narrative, might work on the weak minded, but for people
like me who can see what it is that your trying to do, of which is deliberate. We can also understand the toxicity of this.
We can also see the though the cluttered thought and know very well what kind of mind from which this comes.
President is surrounded with Dr.s and the best medical minds, there are also great companies stepping up who have been communicating with Trump Administration who have offered their assistance w/ making medical supplies of all types.
What kool aid?
Yes -- we were warned that it was coming as far back as January. But Trump kept denying that it was a problem, instead calling it a hoax. His travel bans did nothing to stop the spread of the infection -- th virus was already here.
I beg to differ Travel Ban has saved lives, there is no doubt about
that. Other countries have also joined in this thinking and now have
their own travel ban, this methodology is exists amongst states. ex; NY
& RI I'm certain you have either heard or have seen this to be true.
Perhaps if Obama, had Trump's facilities that are very luscious & luxurious to play on, he would of played just as much.
We are all in this together and we all are learning here, but I will
tell you that WE within the United States are so much better off with
this President than any on the Democratic side. Can you imagine if
Hillary was the President. It would really be a train wreck. I know
things are bad with Covid-19, but something tells me that it would be
100x times worse under Democratic leadership.
What truth? You still haven't said jack.
Trump's response has been utterly incompetent.
That's a damned fact.
But but but... Hillary!
And tell us just how such counties prevent infection from those outside their county who come into -- to deliver goods, to visit or whatever?
Obama played golf, yes. But far less than Trump.
What truth? You still haven't said jack.
Trump's response has been utterly incompetent.
That's a damned fact.
Ok Joe, let us know when you get your facts in order.
But but but... Hillary!
So sorry your candidate was so weak. Maybe the DNC will wise up in 2024.
And tell us just how such counties prevent infection from those outsi their county who come into -- to deliver goods, to visit or whatever?
This thread is none of my business - but Dale, look at yourself. Look at your tone. So attacky. You're not going to exterminate Republicans/Conservatives from the face of the earth - get over that fantasy.
I suggest we stop being so attacky & defensive and start to collaborate
as a team on solutions. When you figure something out that elected officials haven't thought of, write to them and let em know! A lot of
them listen.
Gregory Deyss wrote to Dan Cross <=-
Just for Chinese nationals? Considering it game from Wuhan, China . It
was a ban on travel coming from China. Why are you trying to twist,
what the facts are as they have been stated.
Gregory Deyss wrote to Dan Cross <=-
Just for Chinese nationals? Considering it game from Wuhan, China . I was a ban on travel coming from China. Why are you trying to twist, what the facts are as they have been stated.
Because the facts don't match his Narrative and The Narrative is always true, so the facts must be twisted to match the Narrative.
Man, it must be like living in the USSR back in the 50-60's for him.
What truth? You still haven't said jack.
Trump's response has been utterly incompetent.
That's a damned fact.
Ok Joe, let us know when you get your facts in order.
But but but... Hillary!
So sorry your candidate was so weak. Maybe the DNC will wise up in 2024.
And tell us just how such counties prevent infection from those outside >DS>their county who come into -- to deliver goods, to visit or whatever?
This thread is none of my business - but Dale, look at yourself. Look at
your
tone. So attacky. You're not going to exterminate Republicans/Conservatives >from the face of the earth - get over that fantasy.
I suggest we stop being so attacky & defensive and start to collaborate as a >team on solutions. When you figure something out that elected officials >haven't thought of, write to them and let em know! A lot of them listen.
Obama played golf, yes. But far less than Trump.
How much is "less?"
I agree with you 100%. And the first thing we ought to
do is fire the guy at the job who's flubbed things so
badly so far.
President AOC is going to be GREAT!
On 04-05-20 09:59, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Pandemic <=-
?? What does that have to do with the current conversation -- Other than to toss an insult at someone who you disagree with?
My bad, it's because I get tired of these people who twist the truth
and who propagate fear, just because they hate Trump so much, they
don't care who it hurts or how much hysteria it creates, was my only point.
On 04-05-20 09:59, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Pandemic <=-
Then you are acting responsively. Unlike some folks who are encouraging mass gatherings (e.g. look at Trump's statement about packing the
churches on Easter Sunday).
What the President said was he wants to see churches packed for Easter with people, but he also indicated "if possible" and he went on to say
we will have to see where we are. This was intended as a hopeful
message with a bit of optimism.
What you and others seem to be doing here is sounding the alarm bells
with the direct intention to harm the credibility of the President.
Twisting and largely taking out of context what the man hopes to see
and hear about packed churches on Easter Sunday. To leave the other important remarks that the President said concerning we will have to
see where we are. That is misleading, vile and disgusting.
On 04-05-20 14:41, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Pandemic <=-
Obama played golf, yes. But far less than Trump.
How much is "less?"
On 04-05-20 09:59, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Pandemic <=-
?? What does that have to do with the current conversation -- Other t to toss an insult at someone who you disagree with?
My bad, it's because I get tired of these people who twist the truth and who propagate fear, just because they hate Trump so much, they don't care who it hurts or how much hysteria it creates, was my only point.
If you replace the word "hate" above with "love" then you will have a perfect description of Fox News.
What you and others seem to be doing here is sounding the alarm bells with the direct intention to harm the credibility of the President.
Trump destroyed his own credibility a long time ago.
Twisting and largely taking out of context what the man hopes to see and hear about packed churches on Easter Sunday. To leave the other important remarks that the President said concerning we will have to see where we are. That is misleading, vile and disgusting.
Those other remarks were after his health experts convinced him thatsuch a thing was not a wise thing to do or say.
I agree with you 100%. And the first thing we ought to
do is fire the guy at the job who's flubbed things so
badly so far.
You can write that to them -but they won't listen to that. Give them realistic goals - you kinda have to do their job for them.
There's no firing Trump - you've already elected him! Now, how to deal with him: He's not doing stuff good in your opinion - So what should we tell him to do different? He's a smart guy - if he's wrong about something, I bet he'll want to hear about so he can try to fix it.
Actually, you _can_ fire him: either via impeachment (but
the spineless right-wingers refused to hold him accountable)
or for his obvious impairment, via the 25th amendment (bug
the same spineless people won't do that).
IF I were to tell HIM to do something? Sit down, shut up,
Actually, you _can_ fire him: either via impeachment (but
IF I were to tell HIM to do something? Sit down, shut up,
admit he's out of his depth, and say he's putting someone
competent in charge of being the COVID-19 czar, with the
He doesn't want to hear if he's wrong about something: he'd
rather attach reporters who ask him tough questions than
deal with the substance of the question.
"Look, let me tell you something....be nice."
Donald Trump - Apr 4, 2020 (when a reporter quoted him
back to himself)
the Robert Mueller Investigation? Which produced a conclusion of NoCollusion
& No Obstruction.
On 04-06-20 08:02, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Church <=-
I know what this is all about, It's about the the left trying to prove their case that he is unfit, not prepared and is unworthy.
On 04-06-20 19:23, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dan Cross about Re: Pandemic <=-
The nation has been through quite enough, or were you living under a
rock during the Robert Mueller Investigation? Which produced a
conclusion of No Collusion & No Obstruction. I know it did not deliver
the punch the you and other delusional riot makers were looking for.
So then came the Impeachment hearings where we all got to see and hear Pencil Neck Adam Schiff mentioning "Point of Order" a few zillion
times,
Obama played golf, yes. But far less than Trump.
How much is "less?"
Hard to track the numbers since Trump tries to hide whether or not he
plays when he visits the golf courses he owns. The press has confirmed
that he plays 50% of his visits, unknown about the other 50%.
One report has confirmed that he played golf 56 times as of March 2018, and
that Obama had played 37 in the same period of time. The only reason this even matters is that during his campaign he boasted about how he would
never play golf while in office -- and criticized Obama for playing.
I agree with you 100%. And the first thing we ought to
do is fire the guy at the job who's flubbed things so
badly so far.
You can write that to them -but they won't listen to that. Give them >realistic goals - you kinda have to do their job for them.
There's no firing Trump - you've already elected him! Now, how to deal with >him: He's not doing stuff good in your opinion - So what should we tell him >to do different? He's a smart guy - if he's wrong about something, I bet >he'll want to hear about so he can try to fix it.
On 07 Apr 2020, Dan Cross said the following...
Actually, you _can_ fire him: either via impeachment (but
the spineless right-wingers refused to hold him accountable)
or for his obvious impairment, via the 25th amendment (bug
the same spineless people won't do that).
The nation has been through quite enough, or were you living under a rock during the Robert Mueller Investigation? Which produced a conclusion of
No Collusion & No Obstruction. I know it did not deliver the punch the
you and other delusional riot makers were looking for.
So then came the Impeachment hearings where we all got to see and hear Pencil Neck Adam Schiff mentioning "Point of Order" a few zillion times, then finally came the Impeachment. Both sides had their say. It was the Democrats that failed to prove their case on Constitutional merit; basically put there was no evidence.
Circumstantial hear-say is not evidence
Vile Hatred is not evidence
A sore red ass that was kicked in by DJT winning the Presidency is also not submittable as evidence either.
has confirmed that he played golf 56 times as of March 2018, and that Obama had played 37 in the same period of time. The only reason this
never play golf while in office -- and criticized Obama for playing.
Gregory Deyss wrote to Dale Shipp <=-
From the election results to the Muller Investigation, to the
Impeachment. Which all it ended without producing the results that the Dems were looking for. This thinking is flawed, this President has kept more promises and has turned them into reality more than any other President in the last 50 years.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-
President AOC is going to be GREAT!
LOL! Great looking!
has confirmed that he played golf 56 times as of March 2018, and that Obama had played 37 in the same period of time. The only reason this
But how many holes? If you play 10 holes 56 times, that's less than playing 18 holes 37 times.
never play golf while in office -- and criticized Obama for playing.
I wouldn't mind a promise like that being broken. How many times did
Obama mock the special olympics while in office, and how many times did Trump do it? That's something I'd keep a better count of.
Actually, you _can_ fire him: either via impeachment (but
First you would need Trump to commit an offense that would convince the senate to remove him from office. You can't have that - it's not on your menu - so what moving on..
IF I were to tell HIM to do something? Sit down, shut up,
admit he's out of his depth, and say he's putting someone
competent in charge of being the COVID-19 czar, with the
I'd recommend trimming it down to something like "Mr President, we're not comfortable with Mike Pence as the COVID-19 czar, can you please appoint someone else?"
Talking to people nicely yields better results.
Well, she *does* have 2 big things going for her.
But we've already elected too many boobs to Congress.
Re: Re: Pandemic
By: Gregory Deyss to Dan Cross on Mon Apr 06 2020 19:23:14
the Robert Mueller Investigation? Which produced a conclusion of NoCollusion
& No Obstruction.
this is wrong and you've been told it is wrong ever since you started spouting it... you are leaving out parts of it... very important parts...
HINT 1: did not evaluate 'collusion' with the Russian governmentYou can not evaluate what does not exist.
HINT 2: did not conclude that there was 'no obstruction' of the probe.The President was totally and completely transparent & cooperative in
I know what this is all about, It's about the the left trying to prov their case that he is unfit, not prepared and is unworthy.
He has done a pretty good job of proving that all by himself, with no
help from anyone.
On 04-06-20 19:23, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dan Cross about Re: Pandemic <=-
The nation has been through quite enough, or were you living under a rock during the Robert Mueller Investigation? Which produced a conclusion of No Collusion & No Obstruction. I know it did not delive the punch the you and other delusional riot makers were looking for.
The Mueller investigation did neither of those things. It did make a conclusion of multiple contacts between the Trump campaign personnel and the Russians -- but no direct evidence that it rose to the level of a criminal conspiracy. Of course it did not mention collusion since there is no legal definition of that. As to obstruction, it clearly outlined multiple instances of obstruction by Trump. It was only because of Justice policy with respect to a sitting president that they did not indict him for that obstruction.
DS>
So then came the Impeachment hearings where we all got to see and hea Pencil Neck Adam Schiff mentioning "Point of Order" a few zillion times,
Those calls of "Point of Order" were to prevent the Republican members frequent attempts to name the whistleblower -- which would have been against the law.
Obama compared his poor bowling performance to the special
olympics. It was a disgusting gaffe and he should have
known better; he apologized. Trump did the a mocking imitation
when describing a physically disabled reporter.
this is wrong and you've been told it is wrong ever since you started spouting it... you are leaving out parts of it... very important parts...
Being that Mr. William Barr is the top attorney in the country,
no website or any other individual has anything to say that is of any significance about the matter.
has confirmed that he played golf 56 times as of March 2018, and Obama had played 37 in the same period of time. The only reason
But how many holes? If you play 10 holes 56 times, that's less than playing 18 holes 37 times.
The mental gymnastics you clowns go through to support
this POS "president" are amazingly sad.
for a handful of crimes. Fortunately for us, there are any
number of others we could try and convict him on.
Re: Pandemic
By: Gregory Deyss to mark lewis on Tue Apr 07 2020 17:58:54
this is wrong and you've been told it is wrong ever since you started spouting it... you are leaving out parts of it... very important part
Being that Mr. William Barr is the top attorney in the country,
he's not worth a pile of shit, either...
no website or any other individual has anything to say that is of any significance about the matter.
bullshit... he's being paid off just like others are... i guess you like being controlled by some sort of mob, eh?
You need to stop,
On 04-06-20 23:19, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dan Cross about Re: Pandemic <=-
Talking to people nicely yields better results.
He doesn't want to hear if he's wrong about something: he'd
rather attach reporters who ask him tough questions than
deal with the substance of the question.
If I was the president and someone asked me if I was trying to make
money off the anti-malaria drug, I'd tell them as nicely as I can that they need to kiss my butt.
Re: Re: Pandemic
By: Gregory Deyss to mark lewis on Tue Apr 07 2020 22:41:47
You need to stop,
look in the mirror when you say that... oh yeah, and there's this,
too... There is more to the story, but of course you left that part out, because it does not fit your narrative.
On 04-06-20 23:19, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dan Cross about Re: Pandemic <=-
Talking to people nicely yields better results.
It would be good if Trump followed that idea. Instead he demonizes any one who says something he does not like -- or fires them.
He doesn't want to hear if he's wrong about something: he'd
rather attach reporters who ask him tough questions than
deal with the substance of the question.
If I was the president and someone asked me if I was trying to make money off the anti-malaria drug, I'd tell them as nicely as I can tha they need to kiss my butt.
Except that there is mounting evidence that he may well be either making money directly or helping out a large campaign contributor by touting
that drug.
You need to stop,
look in the mirror when you say that... oh yeah, and there's this,
too... There is more to the story, but of course you left that part
out, because it does not fit your narrative.
I see what you did there, but as slick as that was, it wasn't very effective.
I have the NY POST from when Mr. Robert Mueller made his remarks,
I have previously (within the echo) re-typed his the words that
were spoken by Robert Mueller. It was a direct quote, exactly,
what Mr. Mueller said word for word.
So do not blame me if you expected different words.
We as Conservatives don't twist the truth,
there is no need when you're on the correct side of history.
many have that, as well... however, if you go back and look, i specifically did not post a link from any US news source... it was, in fact, a european one...
No.I have previously (within the echo) re-typed his the words that
were spoken by Robert Mueller. It was a direct quote, exactly,
what Mr. Mueller said word for word.
are you saying that the link i posted did not have mueller's words quoted accurately?
Obama compared his poor bowling performance to the special
olympics. It was a disgusting gaffe and he should have
known better; he apologized. Trump did the a mocking imitation
when describing a physically disabled reporter.
Go on...
There is more to the story,
but of course you left that part out, because it
does not fit your narrative.
The reporter was caught not indicating the Truth.
HINT 2: did not conclude that there was 'no obstruction' of the probeThe President was totally and completely transparent & cooperative in every way.
On 08 Apr 2020, Dan Cross said the following...
Obama compared his poor bowling performance to the special
olympics. It was a disgusting gaffe and he should have
known better; he apologized. Trump did the a mocking imitation
when describing a physically disabled reporter.
Go on...
There is more to the story, but of course you left that part out,
because it does not fit your narrative.
The reporter was caught not indicating the Truth.
Too funny Dan! You're the one who had all these numbers figured out! I gave a silly example based on "the mental gymnastics" that YOU already went through to support Hillary Clinton! The proof that liberals always ask for? It's all right here!
for a handful of crimes. Fortunately for us, there are any
number of others we could try and convict him on.
Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schiff have NOTHING more important to do besides impeach Trump. While Trump works hard to protect the red & the blue in this country, pencilnecks are going to try to reduce windmills, and
while they're at it, they're going to push propaganda to tarnish Trump because that's on their to-do list as well.
Are you serious? Are you and yours now attacking the medicine, that provides relief to Covid-19 patients?
Except that there is mounting evidence that he may well be either making money directly or helping out a large campaign contributor by touting
that drug.
not just admit that you don't care? You don't care if
he obstructed justice, or colluded with Russia, or is
peddling bullshit medical advice...so why not just be
honest and say that?
Are you serious? Are you and yours now attacking the medicine, that provides relief to Covid-19 patients?
On 04-08-20 07:53, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Nice <=-
If I was the president and someone asked me if I was trying to make
money off the anti-malaria drug, I'd tell them as
nicely as I can tha
they need to kiss my butt.
Except that there is mounting evidence that he may well be either making money directly or helping out a large campaign contributor by touting
that drug.
Are you serious? Are you and yours now attacking the medicine, that provides relief to Covid-19 patients?
I do not find any truth to the claim about what it is your discussing here.
Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
Well, she *does* have 2 big things going for her.
But we've already elected too many boobs to Congress.
My god, your sexism is disgusting.
Your Social Justice is showing.
If you can't get the joke, go ask any 5th grader to explain it to you.
Except that there is mounting evidence that he may well be either mak money directly or helping out a large campaign contributor by touting that drug.
Well in that case, let's flush the drug down the toilet then because if
we save lives with it then that would hurt the the democrats who want Trump to fail.
On 09 Apr 2020, Aaron Thomas said the following...
Well in that case, let's flush the drug down the toilet then because we save lives with it then that would hurt the the democrats who want Trump to fail.
There is a lot hate in here, remains of the FLAME WARS, no one in here
is a clinician or a Medical Doctor.
The President is not a Medical Doctor either, but he is a man of common sense.
Within that spirit of having common sense, that Michigan lawmaker who did take the drug and has sense recovered. If she followed the advise from
her fellow democrats would of continued to suffer or worse yet could of died.
Your assertion that she might have suffered further or died
had she _not_ taken that drug similarly: there's no evidence
for that.
On 04-09-20 00:06, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Nice <=-
Except that there is mounting evidence that he may well be either making money directly or helping out a large campaign contributor by touting
that drug.
Well in that case, let's flush the drug down the toilet then because
if we save lives with it then that would hurt the the democrats who
want Trump to fail.
On 10 Apr 2020, Dan Cross said the following...
Your assertion that she might have suffered further or died
had she _not_ taken that drug similarly: there's no evidence
for that.
It is logical to assume that she has recovered because of the drug, the woman even gave credit for Trump sounding off about this drug and she continued to go so far and suggest if it was not for Trump talking about this, she would of never known about it.
Where as your assertion is not remotely logical, which is, she would of gotten better all by herself by doing nothing. It is ludicrous to even debate with me over this. We have all seen that this virus is a beast
that kills, as it has already killed thousands, but there you sit smug
and determined to be right. I did not say these things, this is what the woman has declared. I know that burns your ass so badly you can hardly wait to respond, of which is very ignorant.
more than he already has. If he fails, even more Americans will die. It is bad that he failed to recognize the problem sooner and begin
preventive measures then. That failure cost American lives, but
Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
On 09 Apr 2020 at 09:11a, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...
Your Social Justice is showing.
If you can't get the joke, go ask any 5th grader to explain it to you.
I get the joke. It's just puerile and stupid.
On 04-11-20 11:19, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Nice <=-
more than he already has. If he fails, even more Americans will die. It is bad that he failed to recognize the problem sooner and begin
preventive measures then. That failure cost American lives, but
So the president is taking measures now, to save lives? And he didn't
take them early enough for you?
He's not a doctor, or a pandemic expert - I love my president, but I
don't see him saving lives. If my life were in danger, I wouldn't wait around for the president to save me.
Thanks for crediting President Trump with saving lives - I think that
took a lot of energy for you - but how is he saving lives? What
measures is he taking?
He finally is trying to get people to make PPE available to the front
line workers who are dealing with the pandemic. He is trying get people to make to get the much needed ventilators produced. Whether he (or his people) are doing those things in the best way is being questioned by some.
Two navy hospital ships are on each coast to offer some relief to over strained hospitals. The army corp is building field hospitals quickly.
Just think how much better things would have been if he had those things done even just 30 days earlier instead of waiting 70 days from his first briefing on the coming pandemic to take it seriously.
deaths -- but Trump has yet to even advise such a national directive
much less impose one. The states without such directives may soon
become future hot spots.
more than he already has. If he fails, even more Americans will die. is bad that he failed to recognize the problem sooner and begin preventive measures then. That failure cost American lives, but
So the president is taking measures now, to save lives? And he didn't
take them early enough for you?
He's not a doctor, or a pandemic expert - I love my president, but I
don't see him saving lives. If my life were in danger, I wouldn't wait around for the president to save me.
Thanks for crediting President Trump with saving lives - I think that
took a lot of energy for you - but how is he saving lives? What measures is he taking?
I get the joke. It's just puerile and stupid.
Curb your elitism. You aren't that important or intelligent.
Two navy hospital ships are on each coast to offer some relief to ove strained hospitals. The army corp is building field hospitals quickl
All of this was ordered and directed by Donald Trump.
With the first American that was infected the the Travel ban from China was established, then there was a travel ban with the European countries. This action alone saved many thousands of lives.
What were the democrats doing at this time, they are involved
Impeachment and before this there was the Impeachment hearings.
Furthermore what did the Democrats for American's suffering through this pandemic.
Just think how much better things would have been if China did not try
to hide it, they lied to the U.S. and to the rest of the world.
For that; the penalty must be severe.
I can't imagine the police trying to deal with oblivious Americans who aren't scared of the virus; trying to get them off the streets - it
would take a lot of police.
Around here the bar isn't very high.I get the joke. It's just puerile and stupid.Curb your elitism. You aren't that important or intelligent.
deaths -- but Trump has yet to even advise such a national directive >DS>much less impose one. The states without such directives may soon >DS>become future hot spots.
If the president can impose and enforce a stay at home order for the whole >country, but didn't, then I will have to agree with you on your disapproval.
I just don't see that being an option for the president though - can he >really take that kind of action though?
I can't imagine the police trying to deal with oblivious Americans who
aren't
scared of the virus; trying to get them off the streets - it would take a
lot
of police.
He can declare martial law.
On 04-12-20 08:52, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Nice <=-
On 12 Apr 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...
He finally is trying to get people to make PPE available to the front
line workers who are dealing with the pandemic. He is trying get people to make to get the much needed ventilators produced. Whether he (or his people) are doing those things in the best way is being questioned by some.
Two navy hospital ships are on each coast to offer some relief to over strained hospitals. The army corp is building field hospitals quickly.
All of this was ordered and directed by Donald Trump.
Just think how much better things would have been if he had those things done even just 30 days earlier instead of waiting 70 days from his first briefing on the coming pandemic to take it seriously.
With the first American that was infected the the Travel ban from
China was established, then there was a travel ban with the European countries. This action alone saved many thousands of lives.
What were the democrats doing at this time, they are involved
Impeachment and before this there was the Impeachment hearings.
Furthermore what did the Democrats for American's suffering through
this pandemic.
Just think how much better things would have been if China did not try
to hide it, they lied to the U.S. and to the rest of the world.
For that; the penalty must be severe.
On 04-12-20 09:46, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Nice <=-
deaths -- but Trump has yet to even advise such a national directive
much less impose one. The states without such directives may soon
become future hot spots.
If the president can impose and enforce a stay at home order for the
whole country, but didn't, then I will have to agree with you on your disapproval.
I just don't see that being an option for the president though - can
he really take that kind of action though?
I can't imagine the police trying to deal with oblivious Americans who aren't scared of the virus; trying to get them off the streets - it
would take a lot of police.
deaths -- but Trump has yet to even advise such a national directive much less impose one. The states without such directives may soon become future hot spots.
If the president can impose and enforce a stay at home order for the
whole country, but didn't, then I will have to agree with you on your disapproval.
Stay at home orders are helping flatten the curve on infections and
deaths -- but Trump has yet to even advise such a national directive
much less impose one. The states without such directives may soon
become future hot spots.
He can declare martial law.
But how can anyone enforce it?
I'm guessing that Trump looked at it that way.
He can declare anything he wants, but if he tried to "declare martial law"
then people, especially those with TDS, would rebel against the
authorities.
Nobody is listening to Trump more than they have to - am I right?
You & Dan Cross both have expressed your frustration with Trump's handling
of the crisis, but you're both very vague about what Trump should have done different or what he should be doing differently now.
I take it back - Dan did give some examples, such as increase government >research on the virus - but research has begun, according to the media. >They're saying that there are 2 vaccines being tested currently.
Trump didn't take the warning seriously 3 months ago? What could he have >done? 3 months ago, if Trump closed America to international travel "over a >virus" then Nancy Pelosi would lay a golden egg! Democrats & the media would >LOVE the opportunity to say "he's using some stupid virus as an excuse to >close the border because he's racist!"
He's not a psychic, not god, not a pandemiologist, just a guy who can lead >the country toward economic prosperity. We face horrible issues in life - >they can't all be pinned on the president. How about my middle school >principal? Was it his fault that some kid slugged me? "What a terrible >school! It's all that lousy principal's fault!"
Even today, the president still does not have a plan in regards to
the coronavirus pandemic. His incompetence in this matter is truly astounding.
Trump owns this mess. All of it.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Dale Shipp <=-
He's not a doctor, or a pandemic expert - I love my president, but I
don't see him saving lives. If my life were in danger, I wouldn't wait around for the president to save me.
On 04-13-20 06:47, Richard Falken <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Nice <=-
Stay at home orders are helping flatten the curve on infections and
deaths -- but Trump has yet to even advise such a national directive
much less impose one. The states without such directives may soon
become future hot spots.
Something I wonder: if he had issued a Federal level
directive two months ago, wouldn't Governors and partisans
alike have eaten Trump's guts?
Even today, the president still does not have a plan in regards to
the coronavirus pandemic. His incompetence in this matter is truly >LL>astounding.
I don't know how it is for other Americans - but I've got access to testing.
Access to a ventilator is at my Democratic governor's discretion.
You can praise South Korea or Japan all you want, but nobody is immune to
this crisis, and no country on earth "has it under control."
Trump owns this mess. All of it.
Let's impeach him again. Congress still has NOTHING better to do.
There needs to be a lot more testing, along with labs to analyze
the results in a timely fashion. There are some 330 million Americans, and only around 100,000 have been tested. That tells us very little.
There needs to be a lot more testing, along with labs to analyze
the results in a timely fashion. There are some 330 million
Americans, and only around 100,000 have been tested. That tells LL>us very little.
It would be sweet if they would test everyone, door to door, but that kind
of control doesn't exist, does it?
Will you let Trump come to your door and test you?
Worked for South Korea. Why is that a problem for the USA?
Will you let Trump come to your door and test you?
Hell no.
On 04-14-20 23:16, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Nice <=-
There needs to be a lot more testing, along with labs to analyze
the results in a timely fashion. There are some 330 million Americans, and only around 100,000 have been tested. That tells us very little.
It would be sweet if they would test everyone, door to door, but that
kind of control doesn't exist, does it?
Will you let Trump come to your door and test you?
On 04-14-20 23:16, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Nice <=-
There needs to be a lot more testing, along with labs to analyze
the results in a timely fashion. There are some 330 million American and only around 100,000 have been tested. That tells us very little.
It would be sweet if they would test everyone, door to door, but that kind of control doesn't exist, does it?
My state has drive through testing -- but only with a doctor's orders. There are not enough test kits to do it any other way. I.e. one has to
be showing severe symptoms before they can get tested. Meanwhile they
may well have infected many others without knowing.
Will you let Trump come to your door and test you?
I would prefer that he not set foot in my state. But if he did, he
would have to wear a face mask.
Let's impeach him again. Congress still has NOTHING better to do.
Of course some people prefer not accept change and to live with w/ high crime, and dirty cities. You might be used to it, as others obviously
are.
Perhaps if your state had more Republican leadership, things would
improve greatly.
Let's impeach him again. Congress still has NOTHING better to do.
Good idea! Especially since he's now threatened to
basically disband congress.
It's a fact that states with Democratic leadership have
generally better stats in all major areas: lower unemployment,
On 04-16-20 08:28, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Nice <=-
Of course some people prefer not accept change and to live
with w/ high crime,
and dirty cities. You might be used to it, as others obviously are.
Perhaps if your state had more Republican leadership, things would
improve greatly.
Let's impeach him again. Congress still has NOTHING better to do.
Good idea! Especially since he's now threatened to
basically disband congress.
It's a fact that states with Democratic leadership have
generally better stats in all major areas:
I do not know why you think that people might prefer to live in high
crime and/or dirty cities. If that is where they live, they probably
have very little choice.
Perhaps if your state had more Republican leadership, things would improve greatly.
My state's Republican Governor is doing quite well with respect to the current covid crisis, much better than Trump is doing. The same is true of many Democratic Governors I could name.
Let's impeach him again. Congress still has NOTHING better to do
Good idea! Especially since he's now threatened to
basically disband congress.
You're hilarious! What's "basically" mean? That he didn't really say it?
It's a fact that states with Democratic leadership have
generally better stats in all major areas: lower unemployment,
But you said you're not a Democrat - why not then?
If progress is positive, what is congress?
Apparently you have not been to San Francisco, California
since it has become a shit-hole.
It could be a expedition w/ a education;
You may begin to have the understanding, just how wrong you have been.
It does not matter as you're going to continue to live in a dream world.
Some like to be led instead of leading, of which is your prerogative.
Your going to disagree with me and / or twist and / or take out of
context anything that I have to say. So It's much easier for me to agree to disagree.
You're hilarious! What's "basically" mean? That he didn't really say
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/493253-trump-faces-roadblocks-with-thr o-adjourn-congress
There was a time when you could have an intelligent policy
conversation with a conservative; now, conservatives are
You're hilarious! What's "basically" mean? That he didn't really
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/493253-trump-faces-roadblocks-wit o-adjourn-congress
I sympathize with disabled Americans, and I don't mean this disrespectfully, but reporters who say "he floated the idea" have a form of autism where they're unable to understand sarcasm. The president does have a sarcastic sense of humor at times, and I feel bad for the
reporters who take his silly comments as gospel.
There was a time when you could have an intelligent policy
conversation with a conservative; now, conservatives are
It seems like we're trying to shock each other with heavy doses of our >political philosophies. Not Trump's fault. Not Obama's fault. It's the >policies fault.
I want illegals deported because I've been threatened by them in the past,
and I don't like their barbaric, murderous ways.
not just admit that you don't care? You don't care if
he obstructed justice, or colluded with Russia, or is
peddling bullshit medical advice...so why not just be
honest and say that?
Yea! And he ran over a squirrel! And had sex with females! And one time he AT>snubbed a hotel clerk who asked for an autograph!
If I was the president and someone asked me if I was trying to make
money off the anti-malaria drug, I'd tell them as
nicely as I can tha
they need to kiss my butt.
Except that there is mounting evidence that he may well be either making money directly or helping out a large campaign contributor by touting
that drug.
On 10 Apr 2020, Dan Cross said the following...
Your assertion that she might have suffered further or died
had she _not_ taken that drug similarly: there's no evidence
for that.
On 04-09-20 00:06, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Nice <=-
You are so off base, it is not funny.
No one wants Trump to fail any
more than he already has.
If he fails, even more Americans will die.
It
is bad that he failed to recognize the problem sooner and begin DS>preventive measures then.
How about his calls for armed insurrection in three
states with duly elected democratic governors?
Trump is a tool. You clearly have TDS.
1. Our actions have been flawless.
2. Everything is entirely under control.
3. You, the adoring masses, bask in a state
of perpetual bliss."
On 09 Apr 2020 at 06:31p, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...
Where as your assertion is not remotely logical, which is, she would gotten better all by herself by doing nothing. It is ludicrous to eve debate with me over this. We have all seen that this virus is a beast that kills, as it has already killed thousands, but there you sit smu and determined to be right. I did not say these things, this is what woman has declared. I know that burns your ass so badly you can hardl wait to respond, of which is very ignorant.
Yes, it kills; indiscriminately even. But between 1%
and 3% of those who contract it.
But there's no evidence that hydroxychloroquine is an
effective treatment for it. If you have actual evidence,
by all means share it. If it's _actual_ evidence and
it's been verified, I'll admit I'm wrong.
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