Something that creeps me out: manufacturers trying to make phones BIGGER instead of more portable, while trying to make computers SMALLER instead
of more comfortable to work with.
God, I miss the candybar Nokias.
Something that creeps me out: manufacturers trying to make phonesNever looked at the matter that way. You have identified an interesting trend.
BIGGER instead of more portable, while trying to make computers
SMALLER instead of more comfortable to work with.
Something that creeps me out: manufacturers trying to make phones
BIGGER instead of more portable, while trying to make computers
SMALLER instead of more comfortable to work with.
Never looked at the matter that way. You have identified an interesting Og>> trend.
Soon we will be in a world with nothing but Phablets everywhere.
All I need is a device that is JUST a phone. Maybe a small screen running along the length of the device for Caller-ID, but that's it.
For the record, my personal beater is a Nokia 150 DS. The model is from
2016, but it is a dumbphone in imitation of the classic Nokias. Got it for about 30 bucks. My horses love grabbing my phones so I'd rather they grab a cheapo instead of something worth hundreds.
Hello Arelor!
** On Saturday 25.07.20 - 18:16, arelor wrote to Ogg:
For the record, my personal beater is a Nokia 150 DS. The model is from 2016, but it is a dumbphone in imitation of the classic Nokias. Got it for about 30 bucks. My horses love grabbing my phones so I'd rather they grab cheapo instead of something worth hundreds.
Does DS mean dual SIM?
Is that the one featured here?: https://youtu.be/L35kPRslchQ
I could live with one that size and basic functions.
What's the battery life like?
As it turns out, I only use the Blackberry as a mobile hotspot. I really don't need it for anything else. My spare batteries charge in about 4 hours. The hotspot function drains the most power in about 6 hours. When just on standby cellphone mode, the battery lasts much longer.
Hello Arelor!
** On Saturday 25.07.20 - 06:01, arelor wrote to Underminer:
Something that creeps me out: manufacturers trying to make phones BIGGER instead of more portable, while trying to make computers SMALLER instead of more comfortable to work with.
Never looked at the matter that way. You have identified an interesting trend.
God, I miss the candybar Nokias.
I'd be fine with a phone that looks like a pen, that I could simply clip onto my shirt pocket. I find that my BlackBerry 10 is even too big and heavy. I rarely carry it on my person. Even though I found a genuine case with a belt clip (and the fine feature to rotate the phone to make sitting down more confortable), I don't carry it with me.
But.. my pockets are always full of papers and at least one pen.
All I need is a device that is JUST a phone. Maybe a small screen running along the length of the device for Caller-ID, but that's it.
The Zanco pen looks promising.. but even that has more features (and size) than I care for.
It's interesting to see young gals stuffing the rear pockets of their
skinny jeans with the traditional large smartphones.
Andeddu wrote to Moondog <=-
Re: phones BIGGER.. computers
By: Moondog to Ogg on Sat Jul 25 2020 11:18 pm
The same is happening for smart phones. Instead of a phone, it's become the mobile TV and gaming console with a built-in phone.
Phones are now the all-emcompassing medic device. The screens are now large and comfortable to use, it's easy to type huge paragraphs on
their virtual keyboards... video media is crystal clear on their 320+
PPI screens, websites load instantly with zero lag, and smooth with
60hz scrolling. Cameras, both front and back, are far superior than
their laptop counter-parts therefore enhancing Skype/FaceTime calls.
Tech reviewers are now saying there's no need to use a high quality digital camera, as mobile phones do almost as good a job with the added bonus of being able to edit pictures on the fly & immediately post them onto social media. Like I said in a previous post, the average user is
on their phones for 3.5 hours per day and the average young person is
on their phones for 4.5 hours plus. That leaves very little time or
need for other devices. Even games like Fortnite run at 60fps on modern flagship phones... what we have are closed-system pocket PCs - and
they're only going to get more and more powerful.
What is development like on a phone? Can I just write a small C++/Python/Basic/Fortran program and run it? Can I fairly easily create a basic GUI app? Use a shell? Can I parse a CSV file to create a PDF report? Write a basic model? Do any computation? Automate any workflows?
The reason that people feel they can replace their computer with their phone, is because they don't properly use either.
Andeddu wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: phones BIGGER.. computers
By: Dennisk to Andeddu on Tue Jul 28 2020 09:48 am
What is development like on a phone? Can I just write a small C++/Python/Basic/Fortran program and run it? Can I fairly easily create a basic GUI app? Use a shell? Can I parse a CSV file to create a PDF report? Write a basic model? Do any computation? Automate any workflows?
The reason that people feel they can replace their computer with their phone, is because they don't properly use either.
All I know is that 99.9% of the popualtion have not, do not and will
not create their own programmes, they are only interested in using and consuming... and for this reason, computers are being replaced by large premium smartphones.
Shame. Computers could be so, so much better than they are now, especially in the office. Workflows are stunted and inefficient, because computer software is treated as a commodity. I have to write short programs to use at work, so I don't waste time and create errors.
In my view, they are not computers at all, if I cannot automate some basic taskts, or calculations, or manipulate data.
I've seen people use smartphones to manage data, and its usually convoluted, time consuming and awkward.
The public seem to want this automated/dumbed down approach as there's
no real push back against this heavily curated experience.
No Youtube here, sorry.
But Iam sure you found it because it is a very
easy to find phone:
https://www.devicespecifications.com/en/model/7247402e
...The only isue it has is they are shutting down the network it uses
in lots of countries. Too bad.
But seriously, I'd buy it again. My horses have bitten, beaten and
abused mine none stop and it still works. My Sophie grabbed it, ran
away with it and dropped it in a horse pee pool once. After drying and cleaning, the thing still works. My old Samsung Galaxy died arter half
what this one has suffered.
Back in my day, you you had to have a basic knowledge and be able to use command prompts, or learn to troubleshoot etc, to get things working. Even in the early 2000s, you had to know your way around Windows XP, learn about drivers, sound cards and compatibity issues to play games. Now you
ZERO input from the user. We are rapidly moving to an app based experience, with each app being self contained within itself. For example,
There are no alternatives being presented.
Andeddu wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: phones BIGGER.. computers
By: Dennisk to Andeddu on Wed Jul 29 2020 09:22 am
Shame. Computers could be so, so much better than they are now, especially in the office. Workflows are stunted and inefficient, because computer software is treated as a commodity. I have to write short programs to use at work, so I don't waste time and create errors.
In my view, they are not computers at all, if I cannot automate some basic taskts, or calculations, or manipulate data.
I've seen people use smartphones to manage data, and its usually convoluted, time consuming and awkward.
It is a shame. But your knowledge on computers is up there in the top 0.1%... everything is automated now. No one needs to know anything
about computers to carry out work productivity, play games or use their systems recreationally. Like I said in a previous post, most people (including myself to a certain extent) are entirely ignorant on
computers. You don't have to know how a TV, oven, washing machine or computer works in order to use them.
Back in my day, you you had to have a basic knowledge and be able to
use command prompts, or learn to troubleshoot etc, to get things
working. Even in the early 2000s, you had to know your way around
Windows XP, learn about drivers, sound cards and compatibity issues to play games. Now you log into Steam & double click a game in your
library to download/install it. The software tells you if can play or
not & Windows obsessively keeps your system files & sound/graphics and even BIOS drivers up to date with ZERO input from the user. We are
rapidly moving to an app based experience, with each app being self contained within itself. For example, if you download a TV show on
Netflix or Disney, you will have no idea what format you downloaded the video in, you will have no control of where it goes, and the only way
to view it is via the app itself. Same goes for gaming on EA Origin, Steam, UPlay and Epic Store, along with music apps such as Spotify &
Apple Music.
The public seem to want this automated/dumbed down approach as there's
no real push back against this heavily curated experience.
This is summary is pleasing to the eye:
https://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_150-8475.php
...The only isue it has is they are shutting down the network it uses
in lots of countries. Too bad.
What network are you on now, EDGE? That and GPRS and 2G are quite old and low
range. What service is replacing them in your country?
But seriously, I'd buy it again. My horses have bitten, beaten and abused mine none stop and it still works. My Sophie grabbed it, ran
away with it and dropped it in a horse pee pool once. After drying and cleaning
the thing still works. My old Samsung Galaxy died arter half
what this one has suffered.
She's probably trying to tell you that she wants all your attention.
There is no danger that they would swallow that thing?! You need to keep the phone under lockdown! - that is, in a pocket that you can close up.
Re: phones BIGGER.. computers
By: Andeddu to Dennisk on Wed Jul 29 2020 05:03 pm
Back in my day, you you had to have a basic knowledge and be able to use comma
prompts, or learn to troubleshoot etc, to get things working. Even in the earl
2000s, you had to know your way around Windows XP, learn about drivers, sound
cards and compatibity issues to play games. Now you
I've always liked building my own desktop PC, and still do. So for me it's always
been like that, and still is like that. I don't see that changing for a while.
ZERO input from the user. We are rapidly moving to an app based experience, wi
each app being self contained within itself. For example,
What do you mean by "app based experience"? Aside from drivers & things that run i
the background, pretty much all software with a user interface is an application an
has been like that for a long time..
Nightfox
I've always liked building my own desktop PC, and still do. So for me it's always been like that, and still is like that. I don't see that changing for a while.
What do you mean by "app based experience"? Aside from drivers & things that run in the background, pretty much all software with a user interface is an application and has been like that for a long time..
Nightfox
I think you can put knowledge about computers into two broad categories.
The first is how they work mechanically, troubleshooting, maintenance. That is what you were talking about, mostly. The second is programming, data management, processing, using the tools effectively. I think the latter is what is more important for people to know, at least in some respects. Knowing how to fix some driver conflict isn't really useful, and now having to do that is a plus for 99% of the people. It is the difference between knowing how to use tools effectively to build a shed, and how to fix the nailgun.
We put all IT knowledge under "Adminstration" and forget about "operators".
But I think the problem is that people don't know how to use the tools, or how to use tools properly and effectively. Think about the standard office. You have MS office installed, and no one is really taught how to use the features, how to link Excel spreadsheets with Word so a word document could auto-populate from that data. Or having a PDF report automatically generated. Or simply even manipulating or massaging data. I see so many people doing these the really slow, manual way. Copying data from document to document by reading a PDF scan of a printout, then retyping the data into a word document, when that data is there electronically in the first place. Or people that simply can't reorganise data in a spreadsheet to work out categories and such.
Because "productivity" apps are geared towards the lower common denominator, and that a user that is not trainted, AT ALL, they are very unproductive at best. Maybe we should have "operators" who do these tasks far more effectively, who can use the more powerful features, or even architecture small scripts and tools to glue things together.
For consumer stuff, what we have now is fine. For recreation, computers are great. But for productivity, they absolutely suck, and not because they aren't powerful, or the programming languages aren't good, but because they aren't employed effectively.
They are killing 2G and EDGE by 2025. I am not sure riht now but I think I am on one
of those.
3G was scheduled to be killed earlier than that, actually.
All the cool kids are moving to 4G. Which I can't explain because 4G has not half the
coverage 3G or 2G have each. Oh well.
UK. I can't remember the last time I connected to my WiFi router with my phone as the cell signal here is as good, or better, than most WiFi signals. 3G is so slow, it's not fit for anything other than basic web-browsing... it's a very poor experience, but it's still better than nothing. I can stream 1080p movies with no buffering on 4G, I love it!
Re: Re: phones BIGGER.. computers SMALLER..
By: Arelor to Ogg on Thu Jul 30 2020 05:31 am
They are killing 2G and EDGE by 2025. I am not sure riht now but I think I am on
one
of those.
3G was scheduled to be killed earlier than that, actually.
All the cool kids are moving to 4G. Which I can't explain because 4G has not hal
the
coverage 3G or 2G have each. Oh well.
I don't know what it's like where you're from but 4G is solid here in the UK. I can
remember the last time I connected to my WiFi router with my phone as the cell sign
here is as good, or better, than most WiFi signals. 3G is so slow, it's not fit for
anything other than basic web-browsing... it's a very poor experience, but it's sti
better than nothing. I can stream 1080p movies with no buffering on 4G, I love it!
signals. 3G is so slow, it's not fit for anything other than basic
web-browsing... it's a very poor experience, but it's still better
than nothing. I can stream 1080p movies with no buffering on 4G, I
love it!
if all i could get was 3g i wouldnt even get a fucking smartphone. 3g is
so slow in comparison to 4g.
3G is actually quite fine for messaging and emailing, which is actually what phones were supposed to be for in the first place. Communications.
I happen to live in a digital exclusion zone. That means I only get stable Internet via a WISP provider that uses a line-of-sight wireless protocol. Mobile networking reception here is poor _at best_. So I am not impressed by claims about networks that can download three hours of cartoons into my mobile in a second since they don't reach this place for the most part.
That's pretty cool. I have never built a PC... as you probalby know I am a laptop user and haven't had a dedicated desktop PC since 2004. I suppose you've saved yourself a fair bit of cash over the years putting your PCs together?
By app based I mean a highly curated experience like you'd find on iOS or Android. Apps don't require file managers & you have no control over your media, which is why most people have no idea about file formats.
MRO wrote to Andeddu <=-
if all i could get was 3g i wouldnt even get a fucking
smartphone. 3g is so slow in comparison to 4g.
Andeddu wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: phones BIGGER.. computers
By: Dennisk to Andeddu on Thu Jul 30 2020 09:05 pm
I think you can put knowledge about computers into two broad categories.
The first is how they work mechanically, troubleshooting, maintenance. That is what you were talking about, mostly. The second is programming, data management, processing, using the tools effectively. I think the latter is what is more important for people to know, at least in some respects. Knowing how to fix some driver conflict isn't really useful, and now having to do that is a plus for 99% of the people. It is the difference between knowing how to use tools effectively to build a shed, and how to fix the nailgun.
We put all IT knowledge under "Adminstration" and forget about "operators".
But I think the problem is that people don't know how to use the tools, or how to use tools properly and effectively. Think about the standard office. You have MS office installed, and no one is really taught how to use the features, how to link Excel spreadsheets with Word so a word document could auto-populate from that data. Or having a PDF report automatically generated. Or simply even manipulating or massaging data. I see so many people doing these the really slow, manual way. Copying data from document to document by reading a PDF scan of a printout, then retyping the data into a word document, when that data is there electronically in the first place. Or people that simply can't reorganise data in a spreadsheet to work out categories and such.
Because "productivity" apps are geared towards the lower common denominator, and that a user that is not trainted, AT ALL, they are very unproductive at best. Maybe we should have "operators" who do these tasks far more effectively, who can use the more powerful features, or even architecture small scripts and tools to glue things together.
For consumer stuff, what we have now is fine. For recreation, computers are great. But for productivity, they absolutely suck, and not because they aren't powerful, or the programming languages aren't good, but because they aren't employed effectively.
I've seen a huge amount of unnecessary duplication at work because
people are unaware that certain programmes are linked. If you let them know, they shrug their shoulders and continue doing what they're
doing... productivity applications can be very complex, so once a user
is proficient to some degree, they're unlikely to take in any more information or change their behaviour. I reckon they're just happy they can do the job; even if their methods are inefficient/ineffective.
Trained operators are rare to come across and I too get that sinking feeling when I am up against a system I am unfamiliar with... I try to learn the basics and get on with it, just like everybody else.
if all i could get was 3g i wouldnt even get a fucking
smartphone. 3g is so slow in comparison to 4g.
It's very fast in comparison to no smartphone.
All it takes is someone to develop it, document it and teach it. I've seen people do more complex tasks, because they learned how to do it. The
if all i could get was 3g i wouldnt even get a fucking smartphone.
3g is so slow in comparison to 4g.
Then you must have a gigantic data plan.
I really see no need to use mobile Internet if a trusted LAN is available. Mobile
Internet costs more money than it is worth.
3G is actually quite fine for messaging and emailing, which is actually what phones
were supposed to be for in the first place. Communications.
Lots of industrial applications rely on 2g here. They have built 2g into industrial
and security products for long because 2g happens to be way more solid than anything
else mobile networks carry arround. At least here.
I happen to live in a digital exclusion zone. That means I only get stable Internet
via a WISP provider that uses a line-of-sight wireless protocol. Mobile networking
reception here is poor _at best_. So I am not impressed by claims about networks that
can download three hours of cartoons into my mobile in a second since they don't reach
this place for the most part.
Long ago (in the 80s and 90s, and probably into the mid 2000s), it used to be that you'd save a lot of money by building your own desktop PC. I'm not so sure that's true anymore. There are indeed expensive high-end desktops and you might be able to save some money building your own, but there are also many mid-range desktops that are decent computers, and probably cheaper than building your own. For the lasst couple PCs I've built for myself, I've tended to lean toward somewhat higher-end specs.. I haven't really compared the price of my own built vs. a similar pre-made desktop in a long time.
I did a little bit of research and it seems now that there isn't really much of a markup when purchasing pre-mades. Websites such as PC Specialist exist where you can select a case, PSU, and then everything else that goes into it... you can opt for branded or unbranded components and customise your machine to a fair degree. The technician then builds your PC and installs Windows (if you wish to puchase it!) prior to shipping it away. I suppose that's a good method of saving time and making sure you have the exact build you're after... even if you wish to leave something out, like a GPU, you can order it seperately from another supplier and install it yourself.
Underminer wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: phones BIGGER.. computers
By: Dennisk to Andeddu on Fri Jul 31 2020 08:02 pm
All it takes is someone to develop it, document it and teach it. I've seen people do more complex tasks, because they learned how to do it. The
Humans are very good at repetitive tasks, even if somewhat complex,
once taught. Most humans are really bad at non standard tasks and
thinking outside the box. I have to keep telling myself that when
dealing with and developing for people since I, and I'm sure most of us
in this community, run 180 degrees to that - I can't stand anything too repetitive and love figuring new things out and developing new systems.
Underminer wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: phones BIGGER.. computers
By: Dennisk to Andeddu on Fri Jul 31 2020 08:02 pm
All it takes is someone to develop it, document it and teach it.
I've seen people do more complex tasks, because they learned how to
do it. The
Humans are very good at repetitive tasks, even if somewhat complex,
once taught. Most humans are really bad at non standard tasks and
thinking outside the box. I have to keep telling myself that when
dealing with and developing for people since I, and I'm sure most of
us in this community, run 180 degrees to that - I can't stand
anything too
repetitive and love figuring new things out and developing new systems.
I don't like repetition either. This is why you need to take those people that want to solve problems, and can solve problems, to formulate the new systems and procedures, so that their experience can be turned into a repetitive, standardised task for others.
I created a DOS based tablet weighing system for use at a manufacturing site. That program was in use for years, after I left, and when I got a job there again, they were still using it.
Even though it was DOS based, there was a very standard way of using it, and it was self documenting. A status bar at the bottom told you what keys did what.
That's probably a good alternative if you don't want a mass-produced computer from HP, Dell, or other brands but don't want to build it yourself.
Nightfox
I think premium gaming brands are trustworthy. They tend not to scrimp on components.... the danger is if you go for a mid-level gaming PC. They spend so much of the cash trying to budget a decent graphics card, everything else ends up being cheap tosh.
MRO wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: phones BIGGER.. computers
By: Dennisk to Underminer on Sat Aug 01 2020 07:13 pm
Underminer wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: phones BIGGER.. computers
By: Dennisk to Andeddu on Fri Jul 31 2020 08:02 pm
All it takes is someone to develop it, document it and teach it.
I've seen people do more complex tasks, because they learned how to
do it. The
Humans are very good at repetitive tasks, even if somewhat complex,
once taught. Most humans are really bad at non standard tasks and
thinking outside the box. I have to keep telling myself that when
dealing with and developing for people since I, and I'm sure most of
us in this community, run 180 degrees to that - I can't stand
anything too
repetitive and love figuring new things out and developing new systems.
I don't like repetition either. This is why you need to take those people that want to solve problems, and can solve problems, to formulate the new systems and procedures, so that their experience can be turned into a repetitive, standardised task for others.
I created a DOS based tablet weighing system for use at a manufacturing site. That program was in use for years, after I left, and when I got a job there again, they were still using it.
Even though it was DOS based, there was a very standard way of using it, and it was self documenting. A status bar at the bottom told you what keys did what.
i do a lot of repetitive tasks. in some ways it's harder than 'complex' tasks.
your mind wanders and you can be distracted by someone coming by and bothering you and you can miss something.
i have to make these kits sometimes that have many small parts, i dont have enough room to lay them all out to pick them, and i have to make
sure that i practically turn myself into a robot to make sure every
single one is correct.
i also have to stop and count the parts after a certain amount to make sure i didnt forget something or give too many. something complex i
can solve real quick. this is a pain in the ass. ---
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Re: phones BIGGER.. computers
By: Dennisk to Underminer on Sat Aug 01 2020 07:13 pm
Underminer wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: phones BIGGER.. computers
By: Dennisk to Andeddu on Fri Jul 31 2020 08:02 pm
All it takes is someone to develop it, document it and teach it.
I've seen people do more complex tasks, because they learned how to
do it. The
Humans are very good at repetitive tasks, even if somewhat complex,
once taught. Most humans are really bad at non standard tasks and
thinking outside the box. I have to keep telling myself that when
dealing with and developing for people since I, and I'm sure most of
us in this community, run 180 degrees to that - I can't stand
anything too
repetitive and love figuring new things out and developing new systems
I don't like repetition either. This is why you need to take those peop that want to solve problems, and can solve problems, to formulate the n systems and procedures, so that their experience can be turned into a repetitive, standardised task for others.
I created a DOS based tablet weighing system for use at a manufacturing site. That program was in use for years, after I left, and when I got a job there again, they were still using it.
Even though it was DOS based, there was a very standard way of using it and it was self documenting. A status bar at the bottom told you what k did what.
i do a lot of repetitive tasks. in some ways it's harder than 'complex' tasks.
your mind wanders and you can be distracted by someone coming by and bothering you and you can miss something.
i have to make these kits sometimes that have many small parts, i dont have enough room to lay them all out to pick them, and i have to make sure that i practically turn myself into a robot to make sure every single one is correct.
i also have to stop and count the parts after a certain amount to make sure i didnt forget something or give too many. something complex i can solve real quick. this is a pain in the ass. ---
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I have to do a lot of repetitive mental work. Checking documents, reviews, etc. I can see how it is harder. One has to maintain focus on something boring and rote.
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They are killing 2G and EDGE by 2025. I am not sure riht now but I
think I am on one of those.
3G was scheduled to be killed earlier than that, actually.
All the cool kids are moving to 4G. Which I can't explain because 4G
has not half the coverage 3G or 2G have each. Oh well.
By app based I mean a highly curated experience like you'd find on iOS
or Android. Apps don't require file managers & you have no control
over your media, which is why most people have no idea about file
formats. Web-browers are fast becoming redundant too as there's an app
for almost anything - no need to type in a URL.
If I want to go shopping on Amazon, I click the Amazon app and I am transported to their store (which is far more streamlined and user
friendly than their online website). If I want to check out
photographs or go on Facebook, I can click on the Facebook app or
Instagram app... there's no requirement for a browser...
...same goes for digital media, if I want to listen to music or watch movies/TV shows, I click on the relevant app and there I go... no
pissing about with media players (such as WMP, Winamp, QuickTime, Real Player, Div X or Adobe, etc...).
These are closed-source programes... a movie downloaded on Netflix can
only be played on the Netflix app, it cannot be played anywhere else,
for instance.
If I want to check out the news, I can click on the BBC, Sky News, Fox
News or whatever app... same with the Reddit app or anything else.
Each app is a closed system however when they're all combined, they
can render web-browsers almost redundant.
drunken buddies saying hi or checking out the hot ladies in the line or dancing to the band playing can slow the entire process to a halt. We'd get volunteers , but most are the bar fixtures that feel guilty the other guys are working hard, an d think it's a simple process to do while half
...same goes for digital media, if I want to listen to music or
watch movies/TV shows, I click on the relevant app and there I go...
no pissing about with media players (such as WMP, Winamp, QuickTime,
Real Player, Div X or Adobe, etc...).
Can you say iTunes? :) They had the idea from the get go.
Hello Arelor!
** On Thursday 30.07.20 - 06:31, arelor wrote to Ogg:
They are killing 2G and EDGE by 2025. I am not sure riht now but I
think I am on one of those.
Your phone probably switches between them as required.
3G was scheduled to be killed earlier than that, actually.
Hmmm.
All the cool kids are moving to 4G. Which I can't explain because 4G
has not half the coverage 3G or 2G have each. Oh well.
That is an odd decision. I thought the goal for these companies to retain
or acquire users was because of better coverage. Maybe the 4G phase-in
will follow with more towers in the same vicinity? Are you seeing your country friends leasing the rights to their land for towers?
Re: phones BIGGER.. computers
By: Moondog to Dennisk on Sun Aug 02 2020 01:34 pm
drunken buddies saying hi or checking out the hot ladies in the line or dancing to the band playing can slow the entire process to a halt. We'd get volunteers , but most are the bar fixtures that feel guilty the oth guys are working hard, an d think it's a simple process to do while hal
yeah once a year i help out the hunger task force. we have a big assembly l it's real fast paced and it's pretty hot there in an old military base
we use.
it's real hard for a lot of people but i power through it. i'm sure 3 of us
and we'd get done sooner.
Ah.. so the tablets become a cluttered mess of icons or multiple screens
of icons that you have swipe through to find what you are looking for. Lovely. :(
I use my browser to visit numerous sites. A separate cutesy icon for each and one of them on my desktop would be insane. A browser history allows
me to find a site I've visited before. A bookmark saves a favorite site.
To eliminate a browser sounds ridiculous.
Yes... a dedicated app can provide features that the service can
specialize in. For the best experience with Spotify for example, the separate program is a better choice because it doesn't have to cope with
the limitations of a particular browser.
You got me thinking of Habitat for Humanity housing projects. It's great to see all these volunteers from businesses show up, but how many that are inexperienced or out of their comfort zone are actually slowing things down or creating reasons for re-work? I can swing a hammer or run a saw, bu by no means will I be as fast or precise as someone who builds houses
You got me thinking of Habitat for Humanity housing projects. It's great Mo>> to see all these volunteers from businesses show up.. [snip]
i would like to see one of those operations. do they have them do the
dumb stuff, or do they have them do flooring, plumbing etc with
guidance?
whats strange is in my city those houses end up getting sold. those
people dont want to live in them apparently. or they cant handle
having a house.
whats strange is in my city those houses end up getting sold. those people dont want to live in them apparently. or they cant handle having a house.
Re: phones BIGGER.. computers
By: Moondog to MRO on Mon Aug 03 2020 11:40 am
You got me thinking of Habitat for Humanity housing projects. It's grea to see all these volunteers from businesses show up, but how many that inexperienced or out of their comfort zone are actually slowing things down or creating reasons for re-work? I can swing a hammer or run a saw bu by no means will I be as fast or precise as someone who builds house
i would like to see one of those operations. do they have them do the dumb
whats strange is in my city those houses end up getting sold. those people d
whats strange is in my city those houses end up getting sold. those
people dont want to live in them apparently. or they cant handle
having a house.
Although they get the house to live in, the terms "no down payment, no interest, affordable mortgage geared to be no more than 30 percent of income" ..is still too much or some families and can't bear it for too
This thread deviated from "repetitive DOS tasks" to "repetitive volunteer tasks". Perhaps this branch of the convo should end or move elsewhere.
Re: phones BIGGER.. computers
By: MRO to Moondog on Mon Aug 03 2020 06:44 pm
whats strange is in my city those houses end up getting sold. those
people dont want to live in them apparently. or they cant handle
having a house.
While I don't know the ins and outs of the program and could be totally off base with this speculation, there's a LOT that goes into having a house aside from just the purchase price, both financially and in terms of general responsibility.
ensure people are housed - that's decency and imparative to allowing them dignity. But to be successful you need things like that to be part of an overarching strategy of either helping or allowing people to get their feet back properly under themselves before saddling them with the additional responsibilities and liabilities of home ownership.
If a person doesn't have experience with building trades, they ptu them to work picking up trash, sweeping, painting, or other work you can pull anyone of fthe street to do. When scheduling volunteer days, the stage of constructi on is listed, so unless you want to compact or level sand the day they are pouring a concrete floor or driveway pad, you may want to pick a day later in the build. In some cases multiple builfs are going on, so there's lots of lit tle things than can be done.
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