• Internet

    From Divarin@VERT/MUTINY to All on Sun Apr 18 11:05:27 2021
    no one talks about the internet ... on the internet. :)
    just an observation on why this board is empty, kind of ironic as it was a popular bbs discussion area back in the early days of the internet

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Divarin on Sun Apr 18 13:31:56 2021
    Re: Internet
    By: Divarin to All on Sun Apr 18 2021 11:05 am

    no one talks about the internet ... on the internet. :)
    just an observation on why this board is empty, kind of ironic as it was a popular bbs discussion area back in the early days of the internet

    True. The infrastructure of the "information superhighway" or "series of tubes" isn't all that interesting to most people.

    I just watched https://www.hbo.com/q-into-the-storm and I was amazed at the similarities to BBSing (personalities and use of obsolete amateur software) - only, now it's like multiplied by a million.
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  • From Al@VERT/TRMB to Divarin on Sun Apr 18 15:12:44 2021
    Re: Internet
    By: Divarin to All on Sun Apr 18 2021 11:05 am

    no one talks about the internet ... on the internet. :)
    just an observation on why this board is empty,

    I have 1000+ messages in here over the last year, so we still talk about it or related things quite a bit.

    kind of ironic as it was a popular bbs discussion area back in the early days of the internet

    Being online is a given nowadays. If my connection went away for some reason I'd have to find some way to "fix".

    I suppose I could use my phone but it wouldn't be the same.. ;)

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Divarin on Sun Apr 18 17:33:48 2021
    Re: Internet
    By: Divarin to All on Sun Apr 18 2021 11:05 am

    no one talks about the internet ... on the internet. :)
    just an observation on why this board is empty, kind of ironic as it was a popular bbs discussio
    area back in the early days of the internet


    Well, I guess the people who really wants to talk about the Internet are in some Internet
    Engineering Taskforce mailing list :-)

    Also in the IRCNow plarform, probably. They are trying to gather noobs there and teach them how to
    be proper administrators. It seems to be a hobby thing, but I am sure you will get a lot of
    Internet specific conversation there.

    If you want to get Internet specific talk _here_, I think the faster way to accomplish it is to
    state your love or hate for ipv6. That always works in other subs :-)

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Divarin on Sun Apr 18 18:57:11 2021
    Re: Internet
    By: Divarin to All on Sun Apr 18 2021 11:05 am

    no one talks about the internet ... on the internet. :)
    just an observation on why this board is empty, kind of ironic as it was a popular bbs discussion area back in the early days of the internet


    if the board is empty it's due to the system you are on. the last post was at the end of last month.
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  • From Elf@VERT/REALITY to :005DIVARIN on Tue May 16 14:13:00 2023
    Quoting Divarin to All <=-

    no one talks about the internet ... on the internet. :)
    just an observation on why this board is empty, kind of ironic as it
    was a popular bbs discussion area back in the early days of the
    internet

    The Internet ruined everything. :-( J/K


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  • From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to Elf on Mon Apr 19 02:21:00 2021
    On 16 May 2023, Elf said the following...

    The Internet ruined everything. :-( J/K

    if the options were keep the internet or keep the bbs (one magically disappeared or something).. i'd keep the internet.. lol

    is what it is i guess

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Divarin on Sun Apr 18 21:29:00 2021
    Hello Divarin!

    ** On Sunday 18.04.21 - 11:05, Divarin wrote to All:

    no one talks about the internet ... on the internet. :) just
    an observation on why this board is empty, kind of ironic as
    it was a popular bbs discussion area back in the early days
    of the internet

    What do you want to say about the internet?

    This area has had about 34 messages last month.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to fusion on Mon Apr 19 02:48:14 2021
    Re: Re: Internet
    By: fusion to Elf on Mon Apr 19 2021 02:21 am

    On 16 May 2023, Elf said the following...

    The Internet ruined everything. :-( J/K

    if the options were keep the internet or keep the bbs (one magically disappeared or something).. i'd keep the internet.. lol

    is what it is i guess

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  • From Mauro Veiga@VERT/ABUTRE2 to ELF on Mon Apr 19 09:52:00 2021
    Quoting Elf to :005divarin <=-

    no one talks about the internet ... on the internet. :)
    just an observation on why this board is empty, kind of ironic as it
    was a popular bbs discussion area back in the early days of the
    internet

    The Internet ruined everything. :-( J/K

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Ogg on Mon Apr 19 08:03:55 2021
    Re: Internet
    By: Ogg to Divarin on Sun Apr 18 2021 09:29 pm

    no one talks about the internet ... on the internet. :) just
    an observation on why this board is empty, kind of ironic as
    it was a popular bbs discussion area back in the early days
    of the internet

    What do you want to say about the internet?

    This area has had about 34 messages last month.

    What exactly is the "Internet"? Most folks believe the web is the "Internet".

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  • From Elf@VERT/REALITY to fusion on Mon Apr 19 07:08:00 2021
    fusion wrote to Elf <=-

    On 16 May 2023, Elf said the following...

    The Internet ruined everything. :-( J/K

    if the options were keep the internet or keep the bbs (one magically disappeared or something).. i'd keep the internet.. lol

    is what it is i guess

    Yeah, I hear ya. It would be nice if we could just step into a time machine and go back and visit the hay-day of the BBS era. :-) It is kind of happening with BBS's coming back online that have been dark for so many years, so that is something to be grateful for. :-)

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  • From Elf@VERT/REALITY to Mauro Veiga on Mon Apr 19 10:50:00 2021
    Mauro Veiga wrote to ELF <=-

    You need to apply BWRF063.ZIP Y2K patch correction. ÄÄÄÄæ
    ³

    Thanks! After I posted that message and saw the mess it made, I
    realized it was the Y2K issue I had read about a few weeks ago. And
    thanks for the link to the 2.3 version. Unfortunately, it still has
    issues reading some of my other BBS QWK packets and since I finally got
    my Linux version of MultiMail working the way I want, I'm going to just
    stick with it for now.

    I liked BlueWave back in the 90's but my favorite that I still love
    today (but I don't have the license key anymore and it's kind of broke
    too) is Robomail. That was the best (for me) offline QWK reader of the
    time.

    Thanks again!

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  • From Lupine Furmen@VERT/FURFOL to Divarin on Mon Apr 19 13:28:55 2021
    Re: Internet
    By: Divarin to All on Sun Apr 18 2021 11:05:27

    no one talks about the internet ... on the internet. :)

    First rule of the Internet, Don't talk about the Internet.

    :) :) :)
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  • From Lupine Furmen@VERT/FURFOL to Al on Mon Apr 19 13:33:16 2021
    Re: Internet
    By: Al to Divarin on Sun Apr 18 2021 15:12:44

    I suppose I could use my phone but it wouldn't be the same.. ;)

    I don't any of my computers even HAVE modems anymore. I know my laptop doesn't, I just double checked.
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  • From Lupine Furmen@VERT/FURFOL to HusTler on Mon Apr 19 13:37:47 2021
    Re: Internet
    By: HusTler to Ogg on Mon Apr 19 2021 08:03:55

    What exactly is the "Internet"? Most folks believe the web is the "Internet".

    The "Web" is just the GUI for the Internet. The Internet is SOOOOO much more than just the WWW.
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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Elf on Mon Apr 19 16:05:30 2021
    Re: Re: Internet
    By: Elf to fusion on Mon Apr 19 2021 07:08 am

    Yeah, I hear ya. It would be nice if we could just step into a time machine and go back and visit the hay-day of the BBS era. :-) It is kind of happening with BBS's coming back online that have been dark for so many years, so that is something to be grateful for. :-)

    I dunno? BBS's have never left me. The only the that's changed is I don't use a dialup modem anymore. ;-)

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  • From Al@VERT/TRMB to Lupine Furmen on Mon Apr 19 16:29:51 2021
    Re: Internet
    By: Lupine Furmen to Al on Mon Apr 19 2021 01:33 pm

    I don't any of my computers even HAVE modems anymore. I know my laptop doesn't, I just double checked.

    I haven't seen a dial-up modem in years.

    I had a couple setting in my stock of goodies but I don't think I have one anymore.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to HusTler on Mon Apr 19 17:17:00 2021
    Hello HusTler!

    ** On Monday 19.04.21 - 08:03, HusTler wrote to Ogg:

    What do you want to say about the internet?
    This area has had about 34 messages last month.

    What exactly is the "Internet"? Most folks believe the web is the "Internet".

    I haven't heard anyone use the term "the web". It's usually
    referred to "the net", or "the EEEnrnet".

    But websites are still referred to as WEBsites, and not
    NETsites.

    I used "dub dub dub" when communicating the "www" parts in a web
    address years ago. And even that is depricated now.

    Back to your question.. it's the thing that allows systems to
    exchange data when connected to systems all over the world. It
    used to be something that used TCP/IP, but now there are many
    other ways to connect and exchange stuff I suppose.

    The internet is a ubiquitous thing by now. I doubt that people
    care what it really is and how it works. They just want to turn
    on their computers or devices and go.

    BTW.. There is a nation-wide cell/data disruption with Rogers.
    Their discount service Chatr is affected too.

    "We sincerely apologize to our customers. We know connectivity
    is critical and are working hard to restore services for
    customers who continue to experience wireless interruptions.
    Residential and business wireline internet services are not
    impacted. We will continue to provide updates."

    The first signs of the disruption started around 1am EDT today.

    Other carriers seem to be affected somewhat too.

    Folks using cell/data for their internet access, can't.

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  • From Elf@VERT/REALITY to HusTler on Mon Apr 19 20:51:00 2021
    HusTler wrote to Elf <=-

    Yeah, I hear ya. It would be nice if we could just step into a time machine and go back and visit the hay-day of the BBS era. :-) It is kind of happening with BBS's coming back online that have been dark for so many years, so that is something to be grateful for. :-)

    I dunno? BBS's have never left me. The only the that's changed is I don't use a dialup modem anymore. ;-)

    Yeah, I guess since I have been away from BBS systems since the
    Internet/web hit us in the 90's . . . I miss the large numbers of
    people frequenting the BBSs. I don't want all the world on the BBS
    scene because then it will just turn into what we have now on the open
    web. But, more people to fill in some other areas of interest would be good.

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Ogg on Thu Apr 22 05:27:32 2021
    Re: Internet
    By: Ogg to HusTler on Mon Apr 19 2021 05:17 pm

    I used "dub dub dub" when communicating the "www" parts in a web
    address years ago. And even that is depricated now.


    That one pisses me out. Just because a domain exist it does not mean a web server is hosted there. That is what you can have multiple hosts in a domain, so you can have mail.operationalsecurity.es for mails, and www.operationalsecurity.es for web, for example.

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Arelor on Thu Apr 22 10:57:28 2021
    Re: Internet
    By: Arelor to Ogg on Thu Apr 22 2021 05:27 am

    Re: Internet
    By: Ogg to HusTler on Mon Apr 19 2021 05:17 pm

    I used "dub dub dub" when communicating the "www" parts in a web
    address years ago. And even that is depricated now.


    That one pisses me out. Just because a domain exist it does not mean a web server is hosted there. That is what you can have multiple hosts in a domain, so you can have mail.operationalsecurity.es for mails, and www.operationalsecurity.es for web, for example.

    Sure. But wouldn't it make sense for the shorted form (e.g. operationalsecurity.es) to point to the server of most use/typing (e.g. the web server)?

    It used to annoy me when a site required a "www." sub-domain be specified in a web browser. Now, that's pretty rare.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANT to Digital Man on Sat Apr 24 05:45:43 2021
    Re: Internet
    By: Digital Man to Arelor on Thu Apr 22 2021 10:57 am

    Re: Internet
    By: Arelor to Ogg on Thu Apr 22 2021 05:27 am

    Re: Internet
    By: Ogg to HusTler on Mon Apr 19 2021 05:17 pm

    I used "dub dub dub" when communicating the "www" parts in a web address years ago. And even that is depricated now.


    That one pisses me out. Just because a domain exist it does not mean a we server is hosted there. That is what you can have multiple hosts in a domain, so you can have mail.operationalsecurity.es for mails, and www.operationalsecurity.es for web, for example.

    Sure. But wouldn't it make sense for the shorted form (e.g. operationalsecurity.es) to point to the server of most use/typing (e.g. the server)?

    It used to annoy me when a site required a "www." sub-domain be specified in web browser. Now, that's pretty rare.

    It makes sense to redirect the traffic, sure. My services usually do short_form
    www_form.

    Some services from the Spanish administration have hosts with names such as www1, www2, www3 under the same domain, so expecting that short_form will lead you to the proper web server is not going to work, though.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Sun Apr 25 03:18:00 2021
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Thursday 22.04.21 - 05:27, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

    I used "dub dub dub" when communicating the "www" parts in a
    web address years ago. And even that is depricated now.


    That one pisses me out. Just because a domain exist it does
    not mean a web server is hosted there. That is what you can
    have multiple hosts in a domain, so you can have mail.operationalsecurity.es for mails, and
    www.operationalsecurity.es for web, for example.

    I know this. But most people don't care about those subtleties.

    I am seeing a trend in not even bothering with the http:// part
    in website addresses on printed media.


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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to Arelor on Tue May 4 15:22:52 2021
    On 4/22/2021 3:27 AM, Arelor wrote:
    I used "dub dub dub" when communicating the "www" parts in a web
    address years ago. And even that is depricated now.

    That one pisses me out. Just because a domain exist it does not mean a web server is hosted there. That is what you can have multiple hosts in a domain, so you can have mail.operationalsecurity.es for mails, and www.operationalsecurity.es for web, for example.

    In those instances, it's a good idea to just have a small web server at
    the raw host that does a redirect to www.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Tracker1 on Wed May 5 07:18:00 2021
    Tracker1 wrote to Arelor <=-

    In those instances, it's a good idea to just have a small web server at the raw host that does a redirect to www.

    An apache re-write rule should take care of that without another server stanza.

    I use Dreamhost for my blog and a couple of other sites, and one of the options that have is how you want www.domain.tld and domain.tld. I usually tell them to strip the www and redirect to domain.tld, I presume that a rewrite is how they do it.



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  • From Tracker1@VERT/TRN to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu May 27 15:41:44 2021
    On 5/5/2021 7:18 AM, poindexter FORTRAN wrote:
    Tracker1 wrote to Arelor <=-

    Tr> In those instances, it's a good idea to just have a small web server at
    Tr> the raw host that does a redirect to www.

    An apache re-write rule should take care of that without another server stanza.

    I use Dreamhost for my blog and a couple of other sites, and one of the options that have is how you want www.domain.tld and domain.tld. I usually tell them to strip the www and redirect to domain.tld, I presume that a rewrite is how they do it.

    General rule for web is to "always" use the bare url, or never use it...
    if you create a cookie by default on the raw url, it will be sent to
    other hosts, which may emphatically not be the desired effect. This has
    and does lead to security leaks in practice.

    Imagine the potential problems for dyndns for example, github already experienced some of these, which is why the project/account web hosting
    is a different tld with no bare domain usage for web.
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  • From JaXson@VERT/RUINS to Elf on Fri Dec 8 19:58:00 2023
    The Internet ruined everything. :-( J/K

    Nah .. self check out did though.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to JaXson on Sat Dec 16 18:07:48 2023
    Re: Re: Internet
    By: JaXson to Elf on Fri Dec 08 2023 07:58 pm

    The Internet ruined everything. :-( J/K

    Nah .. self check out did though.

    One thing I've wondered about - People complain because they don't like self-checkouts at the store, yet people like to pump their own gas for their car and often don't like needing a gas station attendant. Seems a bit contradictory.

    I live in a state where self-service gas stations were against the law (only recently did my state start allowing self-service gas), and I've often seen people from out of state complain when they come here and find out they couldn't pump their own gas. But they don't like checking their own groceries?

    Nightfox

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  • From Phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Nightfox on Sat Dec 16 23:42:42 2023
    Re: Re: Internet
    By: Nightfox to JaXson on Sat Dec 16 2023 06:07 pm

    One thing I've wondered about - People complain because they don't like self-checkouts at the store, yet people like to pump their own gas for their car and often don't like needing a gas station attendant. Seems a bit contradictory.

    Yeh, I haven't seen anyone complain about someone else pumping their gas, unless they were being charged more to do it. Then again, I don't live in Oregon :). Been there once, though! Didn't mind letting someone else fill 'er up. Back in the day, we had a full service option in my state. That went away, though, because who wants to pay more for gas? People with those jobs here weren't that careful anyway, I don't think.

    Personally, I don't use self-checkout because I'm not a fan of machines replacing our workforce... or having ME replace the workforce! I'll let another person check me out. That's one more job for them and possibly one more available job elsewhere for someone like me.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to JaXson on Sun Dec 17 06:17:43 2023
    Re: Re: Internet
    By: JaXson to Elf on Fri Dec 08 2023 07:58 pm

    The Internet ruined everything. :-( J/K

    Nah .. self check out did though.


    i love self check out. now they dont have enough self checkout lines open.
    i just think we should get a discount for using it.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Sun Dec 17 06:20:49 2023
    Re: Re: Internet
    By: Nightfox to JaXson on Sat Dec 16 2023 06:07 pm

    I live in a state where self-service gas stations were against the law (only recently did my state start allowing self-service gas), and I've often seen people from out of state complain when they come here and find out they couldn't pump their own gas. But they don't like checking their own groceries?

    i love doing self checkout and packing my own groceries. twice this year when
    i had to use a regular checkout they forgot to put the items in my cart.
    this is with a checkout person bagging AND a bagger. i had to go back inside for my booze. then another bag just got left behind in the turnstyle bagger thing. i work nights so i zone out when they do it because i've probably been up 18 hrs. Am i required to supervise?

    and in my state we do self pump but there's some places that have the service also. you have to pay more. the only benefit is you dont get the gas smell on your hand but i haven't had a pump do that to me in a while.

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  • From Kurisu@VERT/FINALZON to MRO on Sun Dec 17 07:15:52 2023
    Re: Re: Internet
    By: MRO to JaXson on Sun Dec 17 2023 06:17 am

    i love self check out. now they dont have enough self checkout lines open. i just think we should get a discount for using it.

    Seriously, self check is great. Go up, scan shit, pay, get the fuck out. Don't have to (usually) talk to anyone, and I'm far faster than the doesn't-get-paid-enough-for-this-bullshit cashier.
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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Nightfox on Sun Dec 17 09:16:00 2023
    Hello Nightfox!

    ** On Saturday 16.12.23 - 18:07, Nightfox wrote to JaXson:

    The Internet ruined everything. :-( J/K

    Nah .. self check out did though.

    One thing I've wondered about - People complain because
    they don't like self-checkouts at the store, yet people
    like to pump their own gas for their car and often don't
    like needing a gas station attendant. Seems a bit
    contradictory.

    Pumping gas is a one-product thing. Requires a few steps.

    Whereas, checking out cartful of things is multi-step and takes
    more fiddling around - such as identifying the locations of the
    barcodes or entering them manually, etc..


    often seen people from out of state complain when they come
    here and find out they couldn't pump their own gas. But
    they don't like checking their own groceries?

    See above.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Phigan on Sun Dec 17 10:54:26 2023
    Re: Re: Internet
    By: Phigan to Nightfox on Sat Dec 16 2023 11:42 pm

    self-checkouts at the store, yet people like to pump their own gas for

    Yeh, I haven't seen anyone complain about someone else pumping their gas, unless they were being charged more to do it. Then again, I don't live in Oregon :). Been there once, though! Didn't mind letting someone else fill 'er up. Back in the day, we had a full service option in my state. That went away, though, because who wants to pay more for gas? People with those jobs here weren't that careful anyway, I don't think.

    With gas prices varying so widely (even between 2 gas stations down the street from each other), I think it's hard to even determine if you're really paying more for that. I live within driving distance from Washington State (which is all self-service for gas), and their gas prices are pretty much on par with Oregon gas prices.

    I've heard New Jersey also doesn't allow self-service gas (and is now the only US state that doesn't, now that Oregon allows it).

    Personally, I don't use self-checkout because I'm not a fan of machines replacing our workforce... or having ME replace the workforce! I'll let another person check me out. That's one more job for them and possibly one more available job elsewhere for someone like me.

    I'm not a big fan of replacing the workforce either. And that's one argument people here have had about gas station attendants - They're jobs people have where they're earning money, and allowing self-service gas would mean elimination of jobs.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Mon Dec 18 08:12:36 2023
    Re: Internet
    By: Ogg to Nightfox on Sun Dec 17 2023 09:16 am


    Whereas, checking out cartful of things is multi-step and takes
    more fiddling around - such as identifying the locations of the
    barcodes or entering them manually, etc..


    are you saying that scanning barcodes is hard? because i'm literally better at checking out my own stuff than someone that's done it in a grocery store
    for years.

    I haven't seen anybody have to type in a barcode manually for like 25 years, i'm not even sure if it's possible anymore with the register software they use.
    they just choose a generic item usually.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Sun Dec 17 07:39:00 2023
    Nightfox wrote to JaXson <=-

    One thing I've wondered about - People complain because they don't like self-checkouts at the store, yet people like to pump their own gas for their car and often don't like needing a gas station attendant. Seems
    a bit contradictory.

    Full serve used to cost around 10 cents a gallon more in states that
    offered both. If self-checkout gives me a discount, sure, I'll do your
    job for you!

    There was a gas station near one town over when I grew up. Full-service
    was fading as it was not much more than someone putting the nozzle in
    your car.

    This place had guys wearing coveralls with their names on them, they
    would check your tires, your oil, top off your radiator and washer
    fluid, and wash *all* of your windows with towels and a spray bottle
    instead of a squeegee. We'd go there before taking a girl out on a
    date...



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Phigan on Sun Dec 17 07:41:00 2023
    Phigan wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Personally, I don't use self-checkout because I'm not a fan of machines replacing our workforce... or having ME replace the workforce! I'll let another person check me out. That's one more job for them and possibly
    one more available job elsewhere for someone like me.

    I was in Italy this summer. At the little corner stores, they'd scan
    your items, but then leave them at the bottom of the conveyor and look
    at you strangely when you asked for a bag. They'd sort of pull off one
    of those thin plastic bags that most US states have banned, and have
    you bag away.

    My italian wasn't great, I may have been asking for something else and
    not known.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Ogg on Mon Dec 18 08:02:00 2023
    Ogg wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Pumping gas is a one-product thing. Requires a few steps.

    Whereas, checking out cartful of things is multi-step and takes
    more fiddling around - such as identifying the locations of the
    barcodes or entering them manually, etc..

    And, then, having a "loss control specialist" look through your items
    and possibly detain you for shoplifting, justified or otherwise.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Mon Dec 18 08:05:00 2023
    Nightfox wrote to Phigan <=-

    I'm not a big fan of replacing the workforce either. And that's one argument people here have had about gas station attendants - They're
    jobs people have where they're earning money, and allowing self-service gas would mean elimination of jobs.

    Yeah, in self-service states, Big Oil has lobbied for restrictions
    around ADA requirements. Gas stations used to be required to pump gas
    for people with handicapped placards on request. Now, I notice many of
    the stations with a sign saying that because of staffing limitations,
    the ADA requirement doesn't apply, with some link to the exemption for single-employee stations.

    Anything to save a buck.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Dec 18 10:25:17 2023
    Re: Re: Internet
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Phigan on Sun Dec 17 2023 07:41 am

    at you strangely when you asked for a bag. They'd sort of pull off one
    of those thin plastic bags that most US states have banned, and have
    you bag away.


    US states banned plastic bags at grocery stores? that's news to me.
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Dec 18 10:34:00 2023
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Phigan <=-

    Personally, I don't use self-checkout because I'm not a fan of machines replacing our workforce... or having ME replace the workforce! I'll let another person check me out. That's one more job for them and possibly
    one more available job elsewhere for someone like me.

    I was in Italy this summer. At the little corner stores, they'd
    scan your items, but then leave them at the bottom of the conveyor
    and look at you strangely when you asked for a bag. They'd sort of pull off one of those thin plastic bags that most US states have banned, and have you bag away.

    I was in Italy a couple of months ago, and had the same experience. I
    guess they expect you to just gather all the items up and carry them
    loosely, which doesn't work if it's 8-10 items. Eventually I got them
    to understand that I wanted a bag, and they were happy to *sell* me a
    couple of plastic bags. The bags were quite sturdy and cheap, but kind
    of a strange process. A reminder that there are other ways than what we
    know and are used to.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Dec 18 10:18:23 2023
    Re: Re: Internet
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Sun Dec 17 2023 07:39 am

    One thing I've wondered about - People complain because they don't like
    self-checkouts at the store, yet people like to pump their own gas for
    their car and often don't like needing a gas station attendant. Seems a
    bit contradictory.

    Full serve used to cost around 10 cents a gallon more in states that offered both. If self-checkout gives me a discount, sure, I'll do your job for you!

    That's a good point - I don't know why there isn't a discount for using self-checkout at grocery stores.

    Also, for gas stations, most of the gas statiosn here have attendants but it isn't full-service. They usually just pump your gas for you and that's it. They used to often clean your windshield with a squeegee, but most don't even do that anymore.

    Also, gas prices vary so much, that it's hard to tell how much extra they'd charge for having attendants. I live not too far from the border of Washington State (where gas is self-service), and when I've driven into Vancouver WA, the gas prices there seem about the same as in Oregon.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Mon Dec 18 11:53:48 2023
    Re: Re: Internet
    By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Dec 18 2023 10:25 am

    at you strangely when you asked for a bag. They'd sort of pull off one of
    those thin plastic bags that most US states have banned, and have you bag
    away.

    US states banned plastic bags at grocery stores? that's news to me.

    You hadn't heard about that? It was big in the news several years ago. I think California did, and then Oregon did about 3 or 4 years ago. They're not totally banned though, it's just that now, stores are mandated by law to charge you 10 cents per bag at checkout (even for paper bags), to encourage people to buy & use re-usable grocery bags.

    And it's only for grocery bags at checkout. Stores still have plastic bags for vegetables in the produce section and for items in other sections, and those are still free. I'm not sure how it makes sense.

    Nightfox

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  • From Vela025@VERT/AMSTRAD to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Dec 18 19:55:31 2023
    Re: Re: Internet
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Phigan on Sun Dec 17 2023 07:41 am

    I was in Italy this summer. At the little corner stores, they'd scan
    your items, but then leave them at the bottom of the conveyor and look
    at you strangely when you asked for a bag. They'd sort of pull off one
    of those thin plastic bags that most US states have banned, and have
    you bag away.

    "This is the way"...across much of Europe, cashier scans the products and you bag as they do; preferably in to a bag you've brought with you. Depending on which country you're in there may be a tax on plastic bags this means you usually pay a small amount for the ones you use from the store or you buy a more durable bag at the checkout for a bit more. The advantage of the more durable bag is when it falls apart you can take it back to the store where they will exchange it for another new bag and recycle old one.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Dec 18 17:48:52 2023
    Re: Re: Internet
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Ogg on Mon Dec 18 2023 08:02 am

    Ogg wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Pumping gas is a one-product thing. Requires a few steps.

    Whereas, checking out cartful of things is multi-step and takes
    more fiddling around - such as identifying the locations of the barcodes or entering them manually, etc..

    And, then, having a "loss control specialist" look through your items
    and possibly detain you for shoplifting, justified or otherwise.



    at the machines i use the machine takes a photo and they review it.
    they dont give you a shakedown.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Mon Dec 18 17:50:36 2023
    Re: Re: Internet
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Dec 18 2023 11:53 am

    US states banned plastic bags at grocery stores? that's news to me.

    You hadn't heard about that? It was big in the news several years ago. I think California did, and then Oregon did about 3 or 4 years ago. They're not totally banned though, it's just that now, stores are mandated by law to charge you 10 cents per bag at checkout (even for paper bags), to encourage people to buy & use re-usable grocery bags.

    i heard something about it but i didn't know they followed through.
    i used to travel across the usa every year and i never experienced the no plastic bags during my stops.

    i'm not surprised california and oregon did something.
    And it's only for grocery bags at checkout. Stores still have plastic bags for vegetables in the produce section and for items in other sections, and those are still free. I'm not sure how it makes sense.


    absolutely does not make sense.
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Nightfox on Mon Dec 18 17:49:00 2023
    Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-

    US states banned plastic bags at grocery stores? that's news to me.

    You hadn't heard about that? It was big in the news several
    years ago. I think California did, and then Oregon did about 3
    or 4 years ago. They're not totally banned though, it's just
    that now, stores are mandated by law to charge you 10 cents per
    bag at checkout (even for paper bags), to encourage people to buy
    & use re-usable grocery bags.

    It's news to me as well, and is definitely NOT the case here in Florida. Plastic is still the norm, and free.

    Might be a red-state / blue-state thing, I suspect.



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to MRO on Mon Dec 18 17:58:28 2023
    Re: Re: Internet
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Dec 18 2023 05:50 pm

    i heard something about it but i didn't know they followed through. i used to travel across the usa every year and i never experienced the no plastic bags during my stops.

    i'm not surprised california and oregon did something.

    In the end, they didn't totally ban the plastic bags; they just charge for them now. Also, they've been offering more sturdy plastic bags that you could probably use multiple times.

    I'm pretty sure stores even charge for paper bags. They just want you to bring your own re-usable bags.

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Tue Dec 19 05:01:21 2023
    Re: Re: Internet
    By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Dec 18 2023 05:58 pm

    Re: Re: Internet
    By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Dec 18 2023 05:50 pm

    i heard something about it but i didn't know they followed through. i used to travel across the usa every year and i never experienced the no plastic bags during my stops.

    i'm not surprised california and oregon did something.

    In the end, they didn't totally ban the plastic bags; they just charge for them now. Also, they've been offering more sturdy plastic bags that you could probably use multiple times.

    I'm pretty sure stores even charge for paper bags. They just want you to bring your own re-usable bags.

    Nightfox

    are they being 'environmental' or are they just finding a new way
    to get money from you.

    these walmart, etc style bags fall apart totally after a few years. they are designed this way for environmental reasons. where does the money they charge you go to? goes it go towards cleaning the ocean? i bet not but it should be.
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  • From Phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Dec 19 17:47:48 2023
    Re: Re: Internet
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Phigan on Sun Dec 17 2023 07:41 am

    your items, but then leave them at the bottom of the conveyor and look
    at you strangely when you asked for a bag. They'd sort of pull off one

    Sometimes I think about whether it'd be nice to move back to Europe. Na, I think I'm way too spoiled :).

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  • From Phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Dec 19 17:49:50 2023
    Re: Re: Internet
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Mon Dec 18 2023 08:05 am

    Anything to save a buck.

    Pretty sure most of our stations here only employ cashiers. Most of them are just one person, but some are bigger and have two or three cash registers.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Phigan on Tue Dec 19 18:42:29 2023
    Re: Re: Internet
    By: Phigan to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Dec 19 2023 05:49 pm

    Anything to save a buck.

    Pretty sure most of our stations here only employ cashiers. Most of them are just one person, but some are bigger and have two or three cash registers.

    Some stores where I am added self-checkout and then got rid of self-checkout, apparently due to theft at the self-checkout lanes.

    Nightfox

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