What are your favorite terminal programs, for which operating system, and why?

As a teen, my favorite terminal by far was ANSIterm for the Atari ST.

The Atari ST had a few disadvantages for BBSing.

First, it had its own character set. Most of the high-ascii characters were Hebrew letters instead of block characters like in PC ANSI.

Second, the ST only offered 16 colors in low resolution (40 column mode). The ST's 80-column medium resolution was limited to 4 colors.

Third, the ST standard was VT-52 emulation, rather than VT-100 or 102.

Many ST terminal programs offered some form of PC ANSI mode. They'd use custom character sets to display the special characters. But the place where they always fell down was the colors.

Not ANSIterm. It ran in low resolution so it could display all 16 colors. Then they chopped the characters in half to 3 pixels wide, so that 80 would fit on the screen. Sound wonky? To me, it was beautiful. I could see ANSI art!

Anyway, I loved ANSIterm and used it from 1992 until the early 2000s once I stopped BBSing on my Atari. A few years ago, I re-acquired an Atari ST, and I do occasionally use ANSIterm today. It's kinda fun watching the Atari try to display my parallax ANSI animations (before eventually being overwhelmed and crashing).

I've written more about it here: https://breakintochat.com/blog/2014/03/12/hearing-from-my-software-heroes/

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Re: Terminal Applications
By: Kirkman to Oderus on Mon Sep 09 2019 22:31:52

What are your favorite terminal programs, for which operating system, and why?

As a teen, my favorite terminal by far was ANSIterm for the Atari ST.

The Atari ST had a few disadvantages for BBSing.

First, it had its own character set. Most of the high-ascii characters were Hebrew letters instead of block characters like in PC ANSI.

Second, the ST only offered 16 colors in low resolution (40 column mode). The ST's 80-column medium resolution was limited to 4 colors.

Third, the ST standard was VT-52 emulation, rather than VT-100 or 102.

Many ST terminal programs offered some form of PC ANSI mode. They'd use custom character sets to display the special characters. But the place where they always fell down was the colors.

Not ANSIterm. It ran in low resolution so it could display all 16 colors. Then they chopped the characters in half to 3 pixels wide, so that 80 would fit on the screen. Sound wonky? To me, it was beautiful. I could see ANSI art!

Anyway, I loved ANSIterm and used it from 1992 until the early 2000s once I stopped BBSing on my Atari. A few years ago, I re-acquired an Atari ST, and I do occasionally use ANSIterm today. It's kinda fun watching the Atari try to display my parallax ANSI animations (before eventually being overwhelmed and crashing).

I've written more about it here: https://breakintochat.com/blog/2014/03/12/hearing-from-my-software-heroes/

--Josh

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I love this story :) Goes to show, you don't need perfection to have a good experience. I don't remember all the quirks, but there were many in JRComm on the Amiga, which actually wasn't as good as NovaTerm on the C64. 80 Columns on a c64! Good times indeed.

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Re: Terminal Applications
By: Oderus to Kirkman on Thu Sep 12 2019 07:57:15

I love this story :) Goes to show, you don't need perfection to have a good experience. I don't remember all the quirks, but there were many in JRComm on the Amiga, which actually wasn't as good as NovaTerm on the C64. 80 Columns on a c64! Good times indeed.

Oh? is NOVA the only terminal program that offers 80 col? I realize that program has a bunch of versions, but I have not heard of 80col on commodore 64.

What about a commodore 16 ? Ever heard of using a terminal program on that model?


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Re: Terminal Applications
By: Porosz to Oderus on Thu Sep 12 2019 15:26:13

Re: Terminal Applications
By: Oderus to Kirkman on Thu Sep 12 2019 07:57:15

I love this story :) Goes to show, you don't need perfection to have a good experience. I don't remember all the quirks, but there were many in JRComm on the Amiga, which actually wasn't as good as NovaTerm on the C64. 80 Columns on a c64! Good times indeed.

Oh? is NOVA the only terminal program that offers 80 col? I realize that program has a bunch of versions, but I have not heard of 80col on commodore 64.

What about a commodore 16 ? Ever heard of using a terminal program on that model?

=> POROSZ <=

I Never had a c16 but I know the vic20 could

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Re: Terminal Applications
By: Kirkman to Oderus on Mon Sep 09 2019 10:31 pm

Not ANSIterm. It ran in low resolution so it could display all 16 colors. Then they chopped the characters in half to 3 pixels wide, so that 80 would fit on the screen. Sound wonky? To me, it was beautiful. I could see ANSI art!

Now we have Taz, which I believe improves on ANSITerm immensely. My STe is in storage until I get moved, but I'll probably set it up once I get my PC moved. --
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Re: Terminal Applications
By: Oderus to Porosz on Fri Sep 13 2019 05:26 pm

Re: Terminal Applications
By: Porosz to Oderus on Thu Sep 12 2019 15:26:13

Re: Terminal Applications
By: Oderus to Kirkman on Thu Sep 12 2019 07:57:15

I love this story :) Goes to show, you don't need perfection to have a good experience. I don't remember all the quirks, but there were many JRComm on the Amiga, which actually wasn't as good as NovaTerm on the C64. 80 Columns on a c64! Good times indeed.

Oh? is NOVA the only terminal program that offers 80 col? I realize t program has a bunch of versions, but I have not heard of 80col on commodo 64.

What about a commodore 16 ? Ever heard of using a terminal program on t model?

=> POROSZ <=

I Never had a c16 but I know the vic20 could

I have a vic20 right now. I used the original VIcTerm to call a bbs on a 300bps vicmodem... The vic natively supports 23 i believe, but the term cassette had a c64 version on the back that supports 40.

I don't think there was any 80col support for the vic20. And I heard there was some other program that would get you to 40 on a vic but can't recall how it accomlpished it. I can honestly say bbsing appeared to be no fun at 32...

You'd have to go serious old school text only college type bbs systems that were short and sweet with vertical menus

B..Bulletins
C..Chat
L..Logoff
M..Messages

That's about it! :)


Thanks,
Zombie Mambo

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09-19-19 15:17 Zombie Mambo wrote to Oderus about Terminal Applications
Howdy! Zombo Mambo,

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Re: Terminal Applications
By: Oderus to Porosz on Fri Sep 13 2019 05:26 pm

Re: Terminal Applications
By: Porosz to Oderus on Thu Sep 12 2019 15:26:13

Re: Terminal Applications
By: Oderus to Kirkman on Thu Sep 12 2019 07:57:15

I love this story :) Goes to show, you don't need perfection to have a good experience. I don't remember all the quirks, but there were many JRComm on the Amiga, which actually wasn't as good as NovaTerm on the C64. 80 Columns on a c64! Good times indeed.

Oh? is NOVA the only terminal program that offers 80 col? I realize t program has a bunch of versions, but I have not heard of 80col on commodo 64.

What about a commodore 16 ? Ever heard of using a terminal program on t model?

=> POROSZ <=

I Never had a c16 but I know the vic20 could

I have a vic20 right now. I used the original VIcTerm to call a bbs on
a 300bps vicmodem... The vic natively supports 23 i believe, but the
term cassette had a c64 version on the back that supports 40.

I don't think there was any 80col support for the vic20. And I heard
there was some other program that would get you to 40 on a vic but
can't recall how it accomlpished it. I can honestly say bbsing appeared
to be no fun at 32...

-Snip-

The C=64 was my first PC, I got it in 1984.

I looked in the stores at the VIC20, Atari 400 and 800, TI9400, TRS-80 and the Apple ][ and MacIntosh but decided to get a C=64 with 1541 FDD and a
VIC MODEM 300.

When I went to the Apple Store and asked about BASIC for the Mac I remember being told that BASIC cost around $200.00 USD extra to put on a Mac.
That's when I decided to get a C=64 to start with since BASIC was in that one.

When I Signed on to a Apple ][ or a PC BBS I would select the 80 Column Setting, so if later I wanted to Print a BBS message on paper, it printed on the whole 8-1/2" X 11" page.

I still looked at 40 Col on my TV Set but liked NOT HAVING to Print anything
I thought worth printing in 40 Col and having to insert the page again to continue printing, and for long print jobs flip the paper over to use the unprinted side of it so to get it all printed and then cut the page in half (vertically) and staple or tape the sections together.

80 Col's was the way to go even if I could only see 40 Col on a Line on the
TV.

I used some PRG to be able to see 80 Cols on the TV screen but it was too
tiny to read so I never tried using 80 Cols on the C=64 after that.
40 Cols looked better to Me.

I got the VicTerm PRG, when I got the VIC MODEM 300, but VicTerm COULDN'T
SAVE any data, just Connnect, Use and Log Off (iirc).
Its been a long time since I tried using VicTerm, but that is what I recall.

I remember someone telling me a Compuserve Free Demo Telephone Number I could call, but I couldn't Save anything I saw while I was Logged On to Compuserve.

Did VicTerm allow a Session to be Saved and I didn't know about it?

Later, I found a PRG that would let me Save the data the BBS sent but I can't remember what that PRG's Name was.

The last Terminal Program I got was BobsTerm Pro in May 1989.
I liked using it - it had a fair sized Buffer that I could fill up and then Save, and then go back to fill it up again, Save... and then Log Off and read the session I saved, at my leisure.

I couldn't do that in the Thirty Minutes those BBS's allowed me to use them.

The C=64 still works but I don't use it, I only turn it on occasionally to
see if I can still Load and Run PRG's on it. So far the Files I've tried work.

In 1985 I bought a Packard-Bell 2400 external Modem and a Omnitronix Deluxe RS-232 Interface but NEVER got a connection at 2400 speed when I called a BBS.

1200 was the highest speed I ever saw when using the C=64.
Even after I got a USR Sportster Vi, I still got connected at 1200 when I was using the C=64.

But 1200 is FOUR TIMES FASTER than My VIC 300 Modem connected at, isn't it?

When I got a 486 in 1994 the P-B Modem would connect at 2400 until I got the USR Modem that could connect up to 28.8K .

73 de Ed W9ODR . .


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Re: Terminal Applications
By: Zombie Mambo to Oderus on Thu Sep 19 2019 03:17 pm

Oddly enough I'M using Novaterm right now, in 80 column mode in Vice C128 mode. And also using Jim Brain's tcpser.

About the only thing that upsets NovaTerm are the little avatar icons on Synchronet..they always reset everything to the top for some reason.

But still...80 columns on 8-bit. And I love the font.

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Ed Vance to Zombie Mambo on Fri Sep 20 2019 09:13 am

Whoah Compuserve on a C64! Holy cow...I did that, back in about 1984 as well.

And it cost a FORTUNE. I had one of those awful 300 baud cartridge modems for my C64...you had to dial by hand and hit the switch when the tones appeared. And to make it worse, you were signing on to one of those DATAPAC nodes that cost like $1.00 per minute (which was a lot in those days).

I remember participating in a "CB chat" on Compuserve with Richard "Lord British" Garriott, talking about his upcoming Ultima IV. Great memories, although the charges were horrible.

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Chickenhead to Ed Vance on Fri Sep 20 2019 05:16 pm

Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Ed Vance to Zombie Mambo on Fri Sep 20 2019 09:13 am

Whoah Compuserve on a C64! Holy cow...I did that, back in
about
1984 as well.

Wasn't that Quantum Link? A 300 baud modem included 60 free minutes. :)

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Re: Terminal Applications
By: Chickenhead to Zombie Mambo on Fri Sep 20 2019 05:11 pm

Re: Terminal Applications
By: Zombie Mambo to Oderus on Thu Sep 19 2019 03:17 pm

Oddly enough I'M using Novaterm right now, in 80 column mode in Vice C128 mode. And also using Jim Brain's tcpser.

About the only thing that upsets NovaTerm are the little avatar icons on Synchronet..they always reset everything to the top for some reason.

Is NovaTerm trying to do ANSI or is it a PETSCII terminal?

But still...80 columns on 8-bit. And I love the font.

I gotta check that out.

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Ed Vance to Zombie Mambo on Fri Sep 20 2019 09:13 am

I recall seeing a program that emulated 80 columns on a C64. It looked horrible and worked with very few applications.

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: echto to Chickenhead on Fri Sep 20 2019 06:09 pm

Whoah Compuserve on a C64! Holy cow...I did that, back in
about
1984 as well.

Wasn't that Quantum Link? A 300 baud modem included 60 free minutes. :)

Yea man. Most modems came with free hours for Compuserve, AOL and don't forget Sierra Games. There were others but memory fails me right now.

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Moondog to Ed Vance on Fri Sep 20 2019 11:57 pm

I recall seeing a program that emulated 80 columns on a C64. It looked horrible and worked with very few applications.

I did my first few computer science classes with a C64 dialed into various mainframes in 80 column, and I can attest.

The following semester, I got a clone IBM PC with a monochrome green screen [1] and a 1200 baud modem, and it was like night and day compared to the 64 at 300 baud with the janky 80 column kludge on a TV.

--pF



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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: HusTler to echto on Sat Sep 21 2019 08:29 am

Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: echto to Chickenhead on Fri Sep 20 2019 06:09 pm

Whoah Compuserve on a C64! Holy cow...I did that, back in
about
1984 as well.

Wasn't that Quantum Link? A 300 baud modem included 60 free minutes. :)

Yea man. Most modems came with free hours for Compuserve, AOL and don't forget
Sierra
Games. There were others but memory fails me right now.

I recall the stickers on the modem boxes advertising the free time. Ooooo 60 minutes! lol I worked at Babbage's in the local neighborhood mall and bought my first C64 modem there. Good times.

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09-20-19 17:16 Chickenhead wrote to Ed Vance about Re: Terminal Applications Howdy! Chickenhead,

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Ed Vance to Zombie Mambo on Fri Sep 20 2019 09:13 am

Whoah Compuserve on a C64! Holy cow...I did that, back in about 1984
as well.

I never Signed Up for Compuserve, I only called that Free Demo number a
few times to see what was there.

The box the C=64 came in probably still has the Compuserve Coupon for a
Free Hour (or whatever time limit it was).
I enjoyed BBSing and didn't see the need to subscribe to Compuserve and pay
for it each month.

A friend who subscribed to CS knew I liked Utility PRGs and gave me a copy of the UTLWDG PRG with Documentation he got from CS.

And it cost a FORTUNE. I had one of those awful 300 baud cartridge
modems for my C64...you had to dial by hand and hit the switch when the tones appeared. And to make it worse, you were signing on to one of
those DATAPAC nodes that cost like $1.00 per minute (which was a lot in those days).

I got tired of calling and unplugging the Handset Cord to plug it in the VICMODEM 300 Cartridge but had to do it when I made calls with the Modem.

I remember participating in a "CB chat" on Compuserve with Richard
"Lord British" Garriott, talking about his upcoming Ultima IV. Great memories, although the charges were horrible.

I'm glad You enjoyed using CS, I would too if I could had afforded it.

Glad to see You still read messages on a BBS.

73 de Ed W9ODR . .


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09-20-19 18:09 echto wrote to Chickenhead about Re: Terminal Applications Howdy! Echto,

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Chickenhead to Ed Vance on Fri Sep 20 2019 05:16 pm

Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Ed Vance to Zombie Mambo on Fri Sep 20 2019 09:13 am

Whoah Compuserve on a C64! Holy cow...I did that, back in
about
1984 as well.

Wasn't that Quantum Link? A 300 baud modem included 60 free minutes. :)

IIRC, Quantum Link wasn't around in 1984.
It was Compuserve I was talking about using the Free Demo number to call it.

I can't recall if there was a Demo account for Q-Link.
I never signed up for Q-Link either.

73 de Ed W9ODR . .


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09-20-19 23:57 Moondog wrote to Ed Vance about Re: Terminal Applications
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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Ed Vance to Zombie Mambo on Fri Sep 20 2019 09:13 am

I recall seeing a program that emulated 80 columns on a C64. It looked horrible and worked with very few applications.

T'was probably the same PRG I tried using.

Lots of memories back in those days (good and bad).

73 de Ed W9ODR . .


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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: echto to HusTler on Sat Sep 21 2019 09:07 am

Yea man. Most modems came with free hours for Compuserve, AOL and don't forget

I recall the stickers on the modem boxes advertising the free time. Ooooo 60 minutes! lol I worked at Babbage's in the local neighborhood mall and bought my first C64 modem there. Good times.

Yea. bought my C64 used and a 300 baud cartride modem was included. I ran out and bought a brand new 2400 buad cartridge. Man I was Zooming now! lol

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Re: Terminal Applications
By: Zombie Mambo to Oderus on Thu Sep 19 2019 15:17:39

Re: Terminal Applications
By: Oderus to Porosz on Fri Sep 13 2019 05:26 pm

Re: Terminal Applications
By: Porosz to Oderus on Thu Sep 12 2019 15:26:13

Re: Terminal Applications
By: Oderus to Kirkman on Thu Sep 12 2019 07:57:15

I love this story :) Goes to show, you don't need perfection to have a good experience. I don't remember all the quirks, but there were many JRComm on the Amiga, which actually wasn't as good as NovaTerm on the C64. 80 Columns on a c64! Good times indeed.

Oh? is NOVA the only terminal program that offers 80 col? I realize t program has a bunch of versions, but I have not heard of 80col on commodo 64.

What about a commodore 16 ? Ever heard of using a terminal program on t model?

=> POROSZ <=

I Never had a c16 but I know the vic20 could

I have a vic20 right now. I used the original VIcTerm to call a bbs on a 300bps vicmodem... The vic natively supports 23 i believe, but the term cassette had a c64 version on the back that supports 40.

I don't think there was any 80col support for the vic20. And I heard there was some other program that would get you to 40 on a vic but can't recall how it accomlpished it. I can honestly say bbsing appeared to be no fun at 32...

You'd have to go serious old school text only college type bbs systems that were short and sweet with vertical menus

B..Bulletins
C..Chat
L..Logoff
M..Messages

That's about it! :)

Thanks,
Zombie Mambo

Yeah either that or try calling an actual commodore 64 bbs maybe? Then again, who knows if the term you have for vic20 will do "commodore graphics"

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Ed Vance to Zombie Mambo on Fri Sep 20 2019 09:13 am

But 1200 is FOUR TIMES FASTER than My VIC 300 Modem connected at, isn't it?

When I got a 486 in 1994 the P-B Modem would connect at 2400 until I got the USR Modem that could connect up to 28.8K .

yeah even tho many people had modems that cuold support 2400,9600 and higher there were still many terminal programs and bbs that could not. My TI terminal program only supported 110 and 300.

i too eventually went to a pc and moved on from the old computers...

Victerm to my knowledge had a smal buffer that wrapped, that you could dump to printer. i don't think you could save to disk, and i don't think it was very big.

If you aren't using your C64 and want to sell it and ship to Florida, USA I'll take it!

:)


Thanks,
Zombie Mambo

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Re: Terminal Applications
By: Oderus to Zombie Mambo on Sun Sep 22 2019 05:26 pm

Yeah either that or try calling an actual commodore 64 bbs maybe? Then again who knows if the term you have for vic20 will do "commodore graphics"

I was never a fan of bbs's that utilized the built in features only supported by the computer they ran on. TI also had built in sound and graphics (yes you could play a full song on your bbs, and display real graphics) but only TI callers could see/hear them.

That's what made ANSI so great.

But there is something to be said about those old text-only, non color bbs's of the early 80's that was so magical and exciting to me. They were all so different from each other. Sysops put a lot of thought into their theme, menu layouts, etc.

Once ibm/pc became the norm, and ANSI became the norm, there was a period where all bbs's seemed to look/feel the same to me and it got boring.


Thanks,
Zombie Mambo

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Re: Terminal Applications
By: Zombie Mambo to Oderus on Tue Sep 24 2019 02:28 pm

I was never a fan of bbs's that utilized the built in features only supported by the computer they ran on. TI also had built in sound and graphics (yes you could play a full song on your bbs, and display real graphics) but only TI callers could see/hear them.

That's what made ANSI so great.

I agree.
There were also some special terminal programs for BBS door games that would add their own sound and/or graphics capabilities. One I remember was a terminal program for the Land of Devastation door game that would add EGA or VGA graphics and sound through a sound card. If you were playing that game on a BBS, the LOD terminal program would display the appropriate graphics and play the appropriate music & sound for the various areas of the game. That was before RIP, I believe. Operation Overkill 2 has something similar to play sounds (and SyncTerm supports Operation Overkill 2's sounds).

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Re: Terminal Applications
By: Digital Man to Chickenhead on Sat Sep 21 2019 01:56 am

I believe NovaTerm is doing ANSI not Petscii, if that helps. All I know is the little avatar icons almost always bounce the cursor up to the top in NovaTerm.

I don't actually have another C-64 terminal to try it on. Right now I'm using "Term" on the Amiga emulator and it works fine.

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Moondog to Ed Vance on Fri Sep 20 2019 11:57 pm

Re: Re: Terminal Applications

I think there was more than one that did 80-colums on the c-64. I used to use VIP-term...it was quite hard to read.

NovaTerm on the 128 however was different. The C128 had a video chip that approximated CGA quality, and NovaTerm takes advantage of that. Not that I have a C-64 or 128 anymore..I just do it for fun, emulated.


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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Ed Vance to Chickenhead on Sat Sep 21 2019 12:36 pm

Ed: I have to say, at the time I didn't pay for the CompuServe link...that fell to my folks who were not happy with the cost. Not long later I discovered the local BBS scene that was much more affordable and fun. Although I still think the CompuServe CB Simulator was pretty cool...but I hadn't learned of IRC yet. Not for many years!

As for today's BBSing..it is worth preserving.


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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Chickenhead to Ed Vance on Fri Sep 27 2019 04:37 pm

Although I still think the CompuServe CB Simulator was pretty cool...but I hadn't learned of IRC yet. Not for many years!

Ahhh. "CB Simulator" I haven't heard that in decades but remember it well. In fact I learned about IRC in "CB Simulator". At the time I thought the only was to access this stuff was only through Compuserve. What did AOL call it's chat rooms? Anyone remember?

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: HusTler to Chickenhead on Fri Sep 27 2019 10:13 pm

Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Chickenhead to Ed Vance on Fri Sep 27 2019 04:37 pm

Although I still think the CompuServe CB Simulator was pretty cool...but hadn't learned of IRC yet. Not for many years!

Ahhh. "CB Simulator" I haven't heard that in decades but remember it well. fact I learned about IRC in "CB Simulator". At the time I thought the only w to access this stuff was only through Compuserve. What did AOL call it's cha rooms? Anyone reme

people could also access cb chat/compuserve with another client that made it more like irc. it allowed them to log the chat and do other stuff.

pretty sure aol called them chat rooms.

i was kicked off aol like 10x.

all that stuff was so expensive to use back then.
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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: MRO to HusTler on Fri Sep 27 2019 09:58 pm

people could also access cb chat/compuserve with another client that made it more like irc. it allowed them to log the chat and do other stuff.

i was kicked off aol like 10x.

all that stuff was so expensive to use back then.
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You must have hurt somebody's feelings ;-)

Yes it was expensive but I do remember having a load of disks with free hours. Family members would get them in the mail and they give them to me. Nobody in my family had a computer. I don't remember ever paying for any of those services. I think the required a credit card?

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: HusTler to MRO on Sat Sep 28 2019 09:01 am

i was kicked off aol like 10x.

all that stuff was so expensive to use back then.

You must have hurt somebody's feelings ;-)

i got kicked off for saying shit. [i said the word 'shit']

Yes it was expensive but I do remember having a load of disks with free hour Family members would get them in the mail and they give them to me. Nobody i my family had a computer. I don't remember ever paying for any of those services. I think the required a credit card?

i used a checking account. i dont think they ever took from it, though. i would just sign up when i was kicked off. they didnt know what they were doing.
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Re: Terminal Applications
By: Zombie Mambo to Oderus on Tue Sep 24 2019 14:28:00

Re: Terminal Applications
By: Oderus to Zombie Mambo on Sun Sep 22 2019 05:26 pm

Yeah either that or try calling an actual commodore 64 bbs maybe? Then again who knows if the term you have for vic20 will do "commodore graphics"

I was never a fan of bbs's that utilized the built in features only supported by the computer they ran on. TI also had built in sound and graphics (yes you could play a full song on your bbs, and display real graphics) but only TI callers could see/hear them.

That's what made ANSI so great.

But there is something to be said about those old text-only, non color bbs's of the early 80's that was so magical and exciting to me. They were all so different from each other. Sysops put a lot of thought into their theme, menu layouts, etc.

Once ibm/pc became the norm, and ANSI became the norm, there was a period where all bbs's seemed to look/feel the same to me and it got boring.

Thanks,
Zombie Mambo

Lately I have been trying to call the couple of RIP bbs' available from my amiga, the only problem is.. the rip bbs' I know of that are actually set up for RIP are on alternate ports, and the ripterm for amiga doesn't like the :24 at the end, so I can't effectively call one, since I won't use Windows. I CAN emulate RIPtel in Linux but not everything works properly so I am kind of at a stand still on that.

Regards

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Re: Terminal Applications
By: Nightfox to Zombie Mambo on Tue Sep 24 2019 03:53 pm

Re: Terminal Applications
By: Zombie Mambo to Oderus on Tue Sep 24 2019 02:28 pm

I was never a fan of bbs's that utilized the built in features only supported by the computer they ran on. TI also had built in sound and graphics (yes you could play a full song on your bbs, and display real graphics) but only TI callers could see/hear them.

That's what made ANSI so great.

I agree.
There were also some special terminal programs for BBS door games that would h a sound card. If you were playing that game on a BBS, the LOD terminal pr omething similar to play sounds (and SyncTerm supports Operation Overkill 2'

Nightfox

One of the first door games I remember that had its own terminal (optional) to increase graphic abilities was Global War. I loved that game.


Thanks,
Zombie Mambo

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: HusTler to Chickenhead on Fri Sep 27 2019 10:13 pm

Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Chickenhead to Ed Vance on Fri Sep 27 2019 04:37 pm

Although I still think the CompuServe CB Simulator was pretty cool...but hadn't learned of IRC yet. Not for many years!

Ahhh. "CB Simulator" I haven't heard that in decades but remember it well. ber?

I can not rememeber what the called their chat rooms damn it. I feel like I should tho. I remember a windows 95 app called AOHELL that had a whole bunch of built in hacks to over take those chatrooms, flood with graphics, mute people, etc.

Aahahhh the good ole days.


Thanks,
Zombie Mambo

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: HusTler to MRO on Sat Sep 28 2019 09:01 am

Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: MRO to HusTler on Fri Sep 27 2019 09:58 pm

people could also access cb chat/compuserve with another client that made more like irc. it allowed them to log the chat and do other stuff.

i was kicked off aol like 10x.

all that stuff was so expensive to use back then.
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You must have hurt somebody's feelings ;-)

Yes it was expensive but I do remember having a load of disks with free hour ired a credit card?

AOL 5.0
AOL GOLD!
AOL PREMIUM!

We'd get a disk in the mail like 2 times a month.

Remember when NETZERO first came out?

And JUNO Mail?

Hell, remember WEB-TV !?!?


Thanks,
Zombie Mambo

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Re: Terminal Applications
By: Oderus to Zombie Mambo on Sat Sep 28 2019 05:24 pm

Re: Terminal Applications
By: Zombie Mambo to Oderus on Tue Sep 24 2019 14:28:00

Re: Terminal Applications
By: Oderus to Zombie Mambo on Sun Sep 22 2019 05:26 pm

Yeah either that or try calling an actual commodore 64 bbs maybe? Then again who knows if the term you have for vic20 will do "commodore graphics"

I was never a fan of bbs's that utilized the built in features only supported by the computer they ran on. TI also had built in sound and graphics (yes you could play a full song on your bbs, and display real graphics) but only TI callers could see/hear them.

That's what made ANSI so great.

But there is something to be said about those old text-only, non color bb of the early 80's that was so magical and exciting to me. They were all s different from each other. Sysops put a lot of thought into their theme, menu layouts, etc.

Once ibm/pc became the norm, and ANSI became the norm, there was a period where all bbs's seemed to look/feel the same to me and it got boring.

Thanks,
Zombie Mambo

Lately I have been trying to call the couple of RIP bbs' available from my amiga, the only problem is.. the rip bbs' I know of that are actually set up for RIP are on alternate ports, and the ripterm for amiga doesn't like the : at the end, so I can't effectively call one, since I won't use Windows. I CA emulate RIPtel in Linux but not everything works properly so I am kind of at stand still on that.

Regards

why not use xpmode and run windows as a VM on your linux machine?


Thanks,
Zombie Mambo

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Re: Terminal Applications
By: Zombie Mambo to Nightfox on Mon Sep 30 2019 15:59:00

One of the first door games I remember that had its own terminal (optional) to increase graphic abilities was Global War. I loved that game.

yup... global war, scrabble, and operation overkill ii are the ones i recall...


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Re: Terminal Applications
By: Oderus to Kirkman on Thu Sep 12 2019 07:57 am

I love this story :) Goes to show, you don't need perfection to have a good experience. I don't remember all the quirks, but there were many in JRComm on the Amiga, which actually wasn't as good as NovaTerm on the C64. 80 Columns on a c64! Good times indeed.

There is another decent ANSI terminal for the Atari ST called TAZ.

It uses a very different trick to achieve 16 colors: It runs in 4-color medium resolution, but switches palettes every VBL to create the illusion of new colors. The effect can be very flickery depending on which colors are being displayed, and the docs even warn it can induce seizures in extreme cases.

But a lot of Atari ST retro enthusiasts still swear by it.

--Josh

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Re: Terminal Applications
By: Zombie Mambo to Nightfox on Mon Sep 30 2019 15:59:00

There were also some special terminal programs for BBS door games that would h a sound card. If you were playing that game on a BBS, the LOD terminal pr omething similar to play sounds (and SyncTerm supports Operation Overkill 2'

One of the first door games I remember that had its own terminal (optional) to increase graphic abilities was Global War. I loved that game.

So did I.It's a great game and help teach kids strategy. Kids today need to play more games like Global War, Chess, Risk, checkers and other games that teach strategy and critical thinking. They all want the answers handed to them rather than having to think something through and come to their own conclusions.


-Dallas Vinson
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SSH: loybbs.net:23222
Before the Web - telnet: loybbs.net:23232
Legends of Yesteryear - telnet: loybbs.net:23322

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Zombie Mambo to HusTler on Mon Sep 30 2019 16:03:32

AOL 5.0
AOL GOLD!
AOL PREMIUM!

We'd get a disk in the mail like 2 times a month.

Remember when NETZERO first came out?

And JUNO Mail?

Hell, remember WEB-TV !?!?

Yep, remember all of those. Those CD's usually got used as coasters. :)

I also used them to create award ribbons for a game that we had at a convention one time. Took to of the disks, placed a long length of ribbon between them and cemented them together so they could be hung around the winners neck, then printed CD labels to plut on them for the different awards levels.

-Dallas Vinson
Furmens Folly - telnet: loybbs.net:23
SSH: loybbs.net:23222
Before the Web - telnet: loybbs.net:23232
Legends of Yesteryear - telnet: loybbs.net:23322

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Lupine Furmen to Zombie Mambo on Wed Oct 02 2019 12:23 am

And JUNO Mail?

I know at least 2 people who still use Juno accounts

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Re: Terminal Applications
By: Zombie Mambo to Nightfox on Mon Sep 30 2019 03:59 pm

One of the first door games I remember that had its own terminal (optional) to increase graphic abilities was Global War. I loved that game.

You might get a kick out of this interview I did with Joel Bergen about GW:

https://breakintochat.com/blog/2013/03/21/joel-bergen-creator-of-global-war/

--Josh

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Moondog to Lupine Furmen on Wed Oct 02 2019 11:03 am

And JUNO Mail?

I know at least 2 people who still use Juno accounts

Is it still free?

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Moondog to Lupine Furmen on Wed Oct 02 2019 11:03:00

And JUNO Mail?

I know at least 2 people who still use Juno accounts

Same here. One of my best friends still uses his Juno account

-Dallas Vinson
Furmens Folly - telnet: loybbs.net:23
SSH: loybbs.net:23222
Before the Web - telnet: loybbs.net:23232
Legends of Yesteryear - telnet: loybbs.net:23322

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: echto to Moondog on Thu Oct 03 2019 12:26 am

Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Moondog to Lupine Furmen on Wed Oct 02 2019 11:03 am

And JUNO Mail?

I know at least 2 people who still use Juno accounts

Is it still free?

yes

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Moondog to echto on Thu Oct 03 2019 08:56 am

Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: echto to Moondog on Thu Oct 03 2019 12:26 am

Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Moondog to Lupine Furmen on Wed Oct 02 2019 11:03 am

And JUNO Mail?

I know at least 2 people who still use Juno accounts

Is it still free?

yes

No kidding! I have to admit that makes me happily chuckle for some reason. Go Juno!

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Moondog to Lupine Furmen on Wed Oct 02 2019 11:03 am

Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Lupine Furmen to Zombie Mambo on Wed Oct 02 2019 12:23 am

And JUNO Mail?

I know at least 2 people who still use Juno accounts

I know one as well.
My ultra-liberal uncle who told me comptuers would never catch on when i was 12 in 1982 trying to explain BBS's and Email to him.


Thanks,
Zombie Mambo

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Re: Terminal Applications
By: Kirkman to Zombie Mambo on Wed Oct 02 2019 10:18 pm

Re: Terminal Applications
By: Zombie Mambo to Nightfox on Mon Sep 30 2019 03:59 pm

One of the first door games I remember that had its own terminal (optional) to increase graphic abilities was Global War. I loved that game.

You might get a kick out of this interview I did with Joel Bergen about GW:

https://breakintochat.com/blog/2013/03/21/joel-bergen-creator-of-global-war/

--Josh

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BiC -=- http://breakintochat.com -=- bbs wiki and blog

Pretty good interview. Sometimes I was i was born 5-10 yrs earlier because I feel I would have been more heavily involved in the golden age of BBS's myself.


Thanks,
Zombie Mambo

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Re: Terminal Applications
By: Zombie Mambo to Oderus on Mon Sep 30 2019 16:04:40

Re: Terminal Applications
By: Oderus to Zombie Mambo on Sat Sep 28 2019 05:24 pm

Re: Terminal Applications
By: Zombie Mambo to Oderus on Tue Sep 24 2019 14:28:00

Re: Terminal Applications
By: Oderus to Zombie Mambo on Sun Sep 22 2019 05:26 pm

Yeah either that or try calling an actual commodore 64 bbs maybe? Then again who knows if the term you have for vic20 will do "commodore graphics"

I was never a fan of bbs's that utilized the built in features only supported by the computer they ran on. TI also had built in sound and graphics (yes you could play a full song on your bbs, and display real graphics) but only TI callers could see/hear them.

That's what made ANSI so great.

But there is something to be said about those old text-only, non color bb of the early 80's that was so magical and exciting to me. They were all s different from each other. Sysops put a lot of thought into their theme, menu layouts, etc.

Once ibm/pc became the norm, and ANSI became the norm, there was a period where all bbs's seemed to look/feel the same to me and it got boring.

Thanks,
Zombie Mambo

Lately I have been trying to call the couple of RIP bbs' available from my amiga, the only problem is.. the rip bbs' I know of that are actually set up for RIP are on alternate ports, and the ripterm for amiga doesn't like the : at the end, so I can't effectively call one, since I won't use Windows. I CA emulate RIPtel in Linux but not everything works properly so I am kind of at stand still on that.

Regards

why not use xpmode and run windows as a VM on your linux machine?

Thanks,
Zombie Mambo

That's a good suggestion, I will have to give it a try!

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Zombie Mambo to Moondog on Thu Oct 03 2019 01:57 pm

Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Moondog to Lupine Furmen on Wed Oct 02 2019 11:03 am

Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Lupine Furmen to Zombie Mambo on Wed Oct 02 2019 12:23 am

And JUNO Mail?

I know at least 2 people who still use Juno accounts

I know one as well.
My ultra-liberal uncle who told me comptuers would never catch on when i was in 1982 trying to explain BBS's and Email to him.

Thanks,
Zombie Mambo

One of the guys I know who still uses Juno was a senior network engineer at
a previous job, and the other is a friend who keeps several accounts, but
uses the Juno for special correspondence.

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On 30 Sep 2019, Zombie Mambo said the following...

AOL 5.0
AOL GOLD!
AOL PREMIUM!

We'd get a disk in the mail like 2 times a month.

Remember when NETZERO first came out?

And JUNO Mail?

Hell, remember WEB-TV !?!?

I actually grew up on computers starting around the early to mid 2000s. I remember using AOL for a period, we had a old Dell desktop and I'd play video games on it, before I'd be forced to get off the line. Around 2007, Insight Communications (Which was bought out by Time Warner Cable and then became Spectrum some time later) we got on broadband, and from there I kinda spent
my days playing games on Newgrounds.

As for Web-TV, I am all too familiar with it. My mom used it for years on dial-up to keep in touch with penpals and what not. I do wish that WebTV
caught on a bit more. Hell, I wish a lot of things we had in the 90s and
2000s caught on for the forseeable future, but I guess that's wishful
thinking from a girl yearning for days long gone, huh.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A43 2019/03/02 (Linux/32)
* Origin: NeoCincinnati BBS

2007, Insight Communications (Which was bought out by Time Warner Cable and then became Spectrum some time later) we got on broadband, and from

* Insight Communications started offering 1MBPS downstream Broadband and we
got on broadband

Sorry, I have this habit of futzing up my sentences like that.

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* Origin: NeoCincinnati BBS

I am still happy to use Syncterm, it still kicks the lamma's arse.
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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Nodoka Hanamura to Zombie Mambo on Sat Oct 05 2019 04:11 pm

On 30 Sep 2019, Zombie Mambo said the following...

AOL 5.0
AOL GOLD!
AOL PREMIUM!

We'd get a disk in the mail like 2 times a month.

Remember when NETZERO first came out?

And JUNO Mail?

Hell, remember WEB-TV !?!?

I actually grew up on computers starting around the early to mid 2000s. I remember using AOL for a period, we had a old Dell desktop and I'd play vide games on it, before I'd be forced to get off the line. Around 2007, Insight Communications (Which was bought out by Time Warner Cable and then became Spectrum some time later) we got on broadband, and from there I kinda spent my days playing games on Newgrounds.

As for Web-TV, I am all too familiar with it. My mom used it for years on dial-up to keep in touch with penpals and what not. I do wish that WebTV caught on a bit more. Hell, I wish a lot of things we had in the 90s and 2000s caught on for the forseeable future, but I guess that's wishful thinking from a girl yearning for days long gone, huh.

My sister had webtv for awhile. Irecall whenver anyone got email for the
first time, all the chain letter crap would get passed around.

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Moondog to Nodoka Hanamura on Sat Oct 05 2019 08:44 pm

Remember when NETZERO first came out?

And JUNO Mail?

Juno email is still available for free. I created an account yesterday and it works great. It also has pop3 so I can use my favorite software. Not bad for a freebee. I forgot all about Juno. Thanks brining it up fellas.

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MATTHEW MUNSON wrote to All <=-

I am still happy to use Syncterm, it still kicks the lamma's arse.

My one pet peeve is that the screen is sort of a lit-up dark gray when I do fullscreen on my Windows box, but it's definitely the most stable and dependable for downloads.

NetRunner has nice font-smoothing, and I had some trouble with downloads before - but it seems to work again downloading QWK packets.

I finally got Putty to display ANSI, and now that I have SSH running on the BBS I can SSH into the board from work using the same tool I use for my work boxes.



... Put in earplugs
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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: poindexter FORTRAN to MATTHEW MUNSON on Sun Oct 06 2019 08:26:00

My one pet peeve is that the screen is sort of a lit-up dark gray when I do fullscreen on my Windows box, but it's definitely the most stable and dependable for downloads.

hmm, odd. When I go full screen there is no change to my color scheme. The background remains black.


-Dallas Vinson
Furmens Folly - telnet: loybbs.net:23
SSH: loybbs.net:23222
Before the Web - telnet: loybbs.net:23232
Legends of Yesteryear - telnet: loybbs.net:23322

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Nodoka Hanamura to Zombie Mambo on Sat Oct 05 2019 04:11 pm

As for Web-TV, I am all too familiar with it. My mom used it for years on dial-up to keep in touch with penpals and what not. I do wish that WebTV caught on a bit more. Hell, I wish a lot of things we had in the 90s and 2000s caught on for the forseeable future, but I guess that's wishful thinking from a girl yearning for days long gone, huh.

Just hearing you say "you grew up on computers in the 2000s" makes me chuckle to myself and makes me feel so damn old!

I think i knew of 1 person that had WebTV and hated it. It collected dust in the corner of his house and forced him to finally get comfortable using a pc.

I am amazed that just recently we started geting TVs with Roku built in. I can't believe we haven't had whole tv's based off android / chromeOS that double as a tv, media player, and PC all at once.

Maybe by 2050.

That's why I say we as a society haven't really advanced much since the pDA was created. Everything is just a redux of past stuff. At lease WiFi was a significant change.

I am so sick and tired about hearing about VR and Augmented reality, and robots, that I hope they never happen because I'm already bored of the thought of them.


Thanks,
Zombie Mambo

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Zombie Mambo to Nodoka Hanamura on Mon Oct 07 2019 10:46 am

I am amazed that just recently we started geting TVs with Roku built in. I can't believe we haven't had whole tv's based off android / chromeOS that double as a tv, media player, and PC all at once.

I've had a smart TV for a while. I'm not sure if I'd use a TV that doubled as a PC though. I still picture a TV as an entertainment device, and I like smart TVs how they are right now. Also I'd like to be able to go use my computer while someone is watching the TV.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: HusTler to Moondog on Sun Oct 06 2019 01:26 pm

Juno email is still available for free. I created an account yesterday and it works great. It also has pop3 so I can use my favorite software. Not bad for a freebee. I forgot all about Juno. Thanks brining it up fellas.

I picture a lone, dusty server in some bomb shelter serving Juno emails all day long...

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Android8675 to HusTler on Mon Oct 07 2019 08:15 am

Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: HusTler to Moondog on Sun Oct 06 2019 01:26 pm

Juno email is still available for free. I created an account yesterday it works great. It also has pop3 so I can use my favorite software. Not b for a freebee. I forgot all about Juno. Thanks brining it up fellas.

I picture a lone, dusty server in some bomb shelter serving Juno emails all

--
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The original pre-internet service section of AOL was like that until 10 or so years ago. You could load their software off a CD, and the funny thing was several of the forums or chat areas were seeing occasional activity. It was like re-visiting a ghost town, except it wasn't a ghost town the last time
you were there. As the local ISP's began adding local call up numbers, iI noticed the traffic dying off the local BBS's until many of the sysops pulled the plug and tried their hands in either building a personal website or
hosting an online forum.

Another good example is like when the federal interstate highway system was built. Several smaller attractions on the old routes began losing business.

I kept a Juno account for awhile, however it began to fill with spam.

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Android8675 to HusTler on Mon Oct 07 2019 08:15 am

Juno email is still available for free. I created an account yesterday

I picture a lone, dusty server in some bomb shelter serving Juno emails all day long...

It may be running off a C64 in somebody's basement but it still works.;-)

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Moondog to Android8675 on Tue Oct 08 2019 01:19 am

It was like re-visiting a ghost town, except it wasn't a ghost town the last time you were there. As the local ISP's began adding local call up numbers, iI noticed the traffic dying off the local BBS's until many of the sysops pulled the plug and tried their hands in either building a personal website or hosting an online forum.

The internet was the hot new thing at the time. Now, we have many sysops running a BBS again (online via the internet)..

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Tue Oct 08 2019 09:47:28

Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Moondog to Android8675 on Tue Oct 08 2019 01:19 am

It was like re-visiting a ghost town, except it wasn't a ghost town the last time you were there. As the local ISP's began adding local call up numbers, iI noticed the traffic dying off the local BBS's until many of the sysops pulled the plug and tried their hands in either building a personal website or hosting an online forum.

The internet was the hot new thing at the time. Now, we have many sysops running a BBS again (online via the internet)..

Nightfox

... and I am one of those! :)

Special K

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: HusTler to Android8675 on Tue Oct 08 2019 08:27 am

Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Android8675 to HusTler on Mon Oct 07 2019 08:15 am

Juno email is still available for free. I created an account yesterd

I picture a lone, dusty server in some bomb shelter serving Juno emails a day long...

It may be running off a C64 in somebody's basement but it still works.;-

I picture a Pentium Pro at least.

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Tue Oct 08 2019 09:47 am

Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Moondog to Android8675 on Tue Oct 08 2019 01:19 am

It was like re-visiting a ghost town, except it wasn't a ghost town the last time you were there. As the local ISP's began adding local call up numbers, iI noticed the traffic dying off the local BBS's until many of the sysops pulled the plug and tried their hands in either building a personal website or hosting an online forum.

The internet was the hot new thing at the time. Now, we have many sysops ru

Nightfox

After looking up an old BBS buddy from the good old days on Facebook, I saw he
also had a page for his BBS. It's not up now, but he had his Amiga BBS running via telnet until recently. He occasionally posts updates on it's recovery. I never heard why he took it down, but I guess it was a failure of some type that was unexpected.

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: HusTler to Chickenhead on Fri Sep 27 2019 10:13 pm

Well I was never on AOL during it's heyday...but the CB Simulator was a lot of fun on Compuserve. But holy hell did it cost a lot of money to connect over DATAPAC/X.25 or whatever name it had.

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Zombie Mambo to Nodoka Hanamura on Mon Oct 07 2019 10:46 am

I'll go one further from WebTV...I remember when "WebTV" was called "Telidon."

It failed too.

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Chickenhead to Zombie Mambo on Fri Oct 11 2019 07:23 pm

I'll go one further from WebTV...I remember when "WebTV" was called "Telidon."

It failed too.

I had WebTV. I'll tell you what. That thing got me online when I was too broke and had no space for a PC. ;-) . Why we're on the subject do any of these new fangled TV's have a web browser built in these days? I though I saw an Ad for one.

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: HusTler to Chickenhead on Fri Oct 25 2019 01:47 pm

broke and had no space for a PC. ;-) . Why we're on the subject do any of these new fangled TV's have a web browser built in these days? I though I saw an Ad for one.

Most of them do. At least, the Samsung smart TVs have a web browser.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: HusTler to Chickenhead on Fri Oct 25 2019 01:47 pm

Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Chickenhead to Zombie Mambo on Fri Oct 11 2019 07:23 pm

I'll go one further from WebTV...I remember when "WebTV" was called "Telidon."

It failed too.

I had WebTV. I'll tell you what. That thing got me online when I was too broke and had no space for a PC. ;-) . Why we're on the subject do any of th new fangled TV's have a web browser built in these days? I though I saw an A for one.

yeah, the smart tvs have them. on my gf's tv i can even go on the web and stream a mkv from the browser.
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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Fri Oct 25 2019 12:47 pm

Ah but these "smrt" (in the Homer Simpson sense) TVs all seem to have that nasty disclaimer where they all admit they are watching you.

No thanks.


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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Chickenhead to Nightfox on Fri Oct 25 2019 05:22 pm

Ah but these "smrt" (in the Homer Simpson sense) TVs all seem to have that nasty disclaimer where they all admit they are watching you.

They do? I've never seen my TV show a disclaimer about that.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Nightfox to Chickenhead on Fri Oct 25 2019 07:24 pm

Ah but these "smrt" (in the Homer Simpson sense) TVs all seem to
have that nasty disclaimer where they all admit they are watching
you.

They do? I've never seen my TV show a disclaimer about that.

I don't think my smart TVs even have a camera on them. Though, I have heard things about smart TVs possibly recording things.. I'd think they'd have to have a camera and/or microphone for that, and I don't think mine has either of those. I have heard of some uses for a microphone, such as voice recognition for changing the channel & things, but as far as I know, mine doesn't have that.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Nightfox to Chickenhead on Fri Oct 25 2019 07:25 pm

Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Nightfox to Chickenhead on Fri Oct 25 2019 07:24 pm

Ah but these "smrt" (in the Homer Simpson sense) TVs all seem to
have that nasty disclaimer where they all admit they are watching
you.

They do? I've never seen my TV show a disclaimer about that.

I don't think my smart TVs even have a camera on them. Though, I have heard things about smart TVs possibly recording things.. I'd think they'd have to have a camera and/or microphone for that, and I don't think mine has either of those. I have heard of some uses for a microphone, such as voice recognition for changing the channel & things, but as far as I know, mine doesn't have that.

https://www.extremetech.com/electronics/283617-vizio-claims-smart-tvs-spy-on-you-for-your-own-good

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Fri Oct 25 2019 10:02 pm

https://www.extremetech.com/electronics/283617-vizio-claims-smart-tvs-spy- on-you-for-your-own-good

Interesting..

Nightfox

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On 26 Oct 2019, Nightfox said the following...

Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Fri
Oct 25 2019 10:02 pm

https://www.extremetech.com/electronics/283617-vizio-claims-smart-tvs on-you-for-your-own-good

Interesting..

I don't need to put that URL in my browser to beg to fucking differ with that one. Good thing my old Vizio TV that I used only was used as a monitor and didn't have a mic.

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Nodoka Hanamura to Nightfox on Mon Oct 28 2019 03:13 am

I don't need to put that URL in my browser to beg to fucking differ with tha one. Good thing my old Vizio TV that I used only was used as a monitor and didn't have a mic.

i had a great display that was a vizio. it blew up after a long time and now i have an asus that i hate. cant get the color correct.
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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Nodoka Hanamura to Nightfox on Mon Oct 28 2019 03:13 am

On 26 Oct 2019, Nightfox said the following...

Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Fri
Oct 25 2019 10:02 pm

https://www.extremetech.com/electronics/283617-vizio-claims-smart- tvs on-you-for-your-own-good

Interesting..

I don't need to put that URL in my browser to beg to fucking differ with that one. Good thing my old Vizio TV that I used only was used as a monitor and didn't have a mic.

I point I was trying to make is that a TV doesn't need a mic or camera to spy on you. If it's a "smart TV", it knows what channels you're watching and when, what web-sites you're visiting (with your TV), it may even know details about other devices on your home network and it can use/share these details for monetary purposes.

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Nightfox to Chickenhead on Fri Oct 25 2019 07:25 pm

I thought...and correct me if I'm wrong...the Samsung Smart TVs explicitly said they "could" be listening in.

I know my Samsung phone certainly listens in. I can't tell you the number of times the wife and I have been discussing things near the phone and suddenly I start getting targeted advertising for the very thing we were talking about.

Thanks, Google!

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Nightfox to Chickenhead on Fri Oct 25 2019 07:25 pm

have that nasty disclaimer where they all admit they are watching
you.

They do? I've never seen my TV show a disclaimer about that.

I don't think my smart TVs even have a camera on them. Though, I have heard things about smart TVs possibly recording things.. I'd think they'd have to have a camera and/or microphone for that, and I don't think mine has either of those. I have heard of some uses for a microphone, such as voice recognition for changing the channel & things, but as far as I know, mine doesn't have that.

Nightfox

My wife and I have (i guess) a first edition Android (ver 4.something) smart tv 55" Hisense POS! and we never, ever use anything "smart" about it. Roku is all we use. The remote control is your typical remote control, with one "addition". It has a microphone in it for speaking to the tv. We never activate it, talk to it or anything and MY GOD we have to change the batteries out in that bastard controller once a month religiously. I've taped the mic thinking anything would change. I was wrong. I'm ready to drop that tv off at the pound. Is that a thing? Ugh... not to mention the bloody thing was $700! Now you can get them for what, $250?

Sorry for the rant, it just came up!
Hah!

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Fri Oct 25 2019 10:02 pm

https://www.extremetech.com/electronics/283617-vizio-claims-smart-tvs-spy-on -yo u-for-your-own-good

digital man

I will NEVER again own a smart tv. No way Jose! This one I have needs to go be with Jesus.

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Chickenhead to Nightfox on Fri Nov 01 2019 05:18 pm

I thought...and correct me if I'm wrong...the Samsung Smart TVs explicitly said they "could" be listening in.

Now that I think about it, I seem to recall something about that..

I know my Samsung phone certainly listens in. I can't tell you the number of times the wife and I have been discussing things near the phone and suddenly I start getting targeted advertising for the very thing we were talking about.

hmm.. I have a Samsung phone too, but I've never noticed seeing targeted ads based on anything I've talked about. Facebook has been accused of that too, but I haven't had that happen for me on Facebook either. But I tend not to use the Facebook app, as I usually prefer using the web interface for Facebook even on my phone. I'm rarely logged into the Facebook app on my phone.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Sir Air Walker to Nightfox on Fri Nov 01 2019 05:47 pm

My wife and I have (i guess) a first edition Android (ver 4.something) smart tv 55" Hisense POS! and we never, ever use anything "smart" about it. Roku is all we use. The remote control is your typical remote control, with one "addition". It has a microphone in it for speaking to the tv. We never activate it, talk to it or anything and MY GOD we have to change the batteries out in that bastard controller once a month religiously. I've taped the mic thinking anything would change. I was wrong. I'm ready to drop that tv off at the pound. Is that a thing? Ugh... not to mention the bloody thing was $700! Now you can get them for what, $250?

I bought my living room TV In 2015 and it doesn't have a remote with a mic. I know what you mean about prices though - Newer smart TVs even at the same size have come down in price a lot since I bought mine.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Nightfox to Chickenhead on Sat Nov 02 2019 11:23 am

I know my Samsung phone certainly listens in. I can't tell you the numb of times the wife and I have been discussing things near the phone and suddenly I start getting targeted advertising for the very thing we wer talking about.

based on anything I've talked about. Facebook has been accused of that too, but I haven't had that happen for me on Facebook either. But I tend not to the Facebook app, as I usually prefer using the web interface for Facebook e

facebook isnt listening to you because you dont use the app.

for fucking sure that app listens to you and you will see ads about what you are talking about. i'm pretty sure i've mentioned how i was talking about a garage door to my gf and all of a sudden nothing but garage shit on fb ads.
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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Nightfox to Sir Air Walker on Sat Nov 02 2019 11:25 am

Ugh... not to mention the bloody thing was $700! Now you can get them for what, $250?

I bought my living room TV In 2015 and it doesn't have a remote with a mic. I know what you mean about prices though - Newer smart TVs even at the same size have come down in price a lot since I bought mine.

Nightfox

Yup. I think my new method will be to purchase a dumb tv (as long at they're still around) and hook up a Roku or something similar. I've really enjoyed the Roku. We have a cheap $20 one upstairs in the bedroom and the original one I bought which is a Roku 4, and it was well over $100 because I thought I had to have the best. They perform about the same, and I don't have a 4K tv so I am not getting any benefits of the more expensive one. Love em though. We ditched cable about 6 years ago and haven't looked back.

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sat Nov 02 2019 10:44 pm

facebook isnt listening to you because you dont use the app.

for fucking sure that app listens to you and you will see ads about what you are talking about. i'm pretty sure i've mentioned how i was talking about a garage door to my gf and all of a sudden nothing but garage shit on fb ads. ---

Yeah, I suppose that's one reason I prefer to use their web site instead of the dedicated app.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sat Nov 02 2019 10:44 pm

Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Nightfox to Chickenhead on Sat Nov 02 2019 11:23 am

I know my Samsung phone certainly listens in. I can't tell you the n of times the wife and I have been discussing things near the phone a suddenly I start getting targeted advertising for the very thing we talking about.

based on anything I've talked about. Facebook has been accused of that t but I haven't had that happen for me on Facebook either. But I tend not the Facebook app, as I usually prefer using the web interface for Faceboo

facebook isnt listening to you because you dont use the app.

for fucking sure that app listens to you and you will see ads about what you are talking about. i'm pretty sure i've mentioned how i was talking about a garage door to my gf and all of a sudden nothing but garage shit on fb ads.

Our company is making alexa and google home apps right now. We know what they do. You are being listened to.
And marketed to .
And a library of identies, voices, and voice recognition is being created.

Be thankful you don't have a mic and don't "speak to launch".


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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Sir Air Walker to Nightfox on Sun Nov 03 2019 09:32 am

the Roku. We have a cheap $20 one upstairs in the bedroom and the original one I bought which is a Roku 4, and it was well over $100 because I thought though. We ditched cable about 6 years ago and haven't looked back.

Doesn't Roku require an internet connection? How do you get internet without Cable? Or did you mean you ditched Cable TV??


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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: HusTler to Sir Air Walker on Sun Nov 03 2019 05:08 pm

Doesn't Roku require an internet connection? How do you get internet without Cable? Or did you mean you ditched Cable TV??

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Ahh yeah I mean cable TV. Internets is more important that that pesky soap box! lol

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: HusTler to Sir Air Walker on Sun Nov 03 2019 05:08 pm

Doesn't Roku require an internet connection? How do you get internet without Cable? Or did you mean you ditched Cable TV??

Cable isn't the only type of broadband internet these days. You can also get high-speed internet via DSL, fiber optic cable, or sometimes satellite (though satellite isn't nearly as fast as the others). And as you've mentioned before, wireless internet via 5G is rolling out soon.

Some companies that operate fiber-optic internet also run TV service through it, such as Frontier. So premium TV services don't always run on a cable connection either.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Sir Air Walker to Digital Man on Fri Nov 01 2019 05:48 pm

I will NEVER again own a smart tv. No way Jose! This one I have needs to go be with Jesus.

I think the reason why smart tvs are so cheap now where 65 inch 4k's are at
349 as a black friday sale is because there is spyware.

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Matt Munson to Sir Air Walker on Sun Nov 10 2019 12:07 pm

I think the reason why smart tvs are so cheap now where 65 inch 4k's are at 349 as a black friday sale is because there is spyware.

If that were the case, then I wonder why smart TVs were so much more expensive several years ago? In 2015 or so, you could find a 55" smart TV with 4K and 3D for over $1,500.

Nightfox

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Matt Munson wrote to Sir Air Walker <=-

I will NEVER again own a smart tv. No way Jose! This one I have needs to go be with Jesus.

I think the reason why smart tvs are so cheap now where 65 inch
4k's are at 349 as a black friday sale is because there is
spyware.

Ummmm, no.

It's because, just like all other technology, as time progresses,
and advances are made, and sales increase, things.... get cheaper.
Another great example is how computers/computer components have
gotten cheaper. I remember paying more for a 100MB (yes that's
"MB") hard drive in the 90's than I'd pay for a 2TB SSD today.
Same thing with computer memory, the price differences are
unbelievable as compared to years ago.



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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Nightfox to Matt Munson on Sun Nov 10 2019 06:55 pm

Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Matt Munson to Sir Air Walker on Sun Nov 10 2019 12:07 pm

I think the reason why smart tvs are so cheap now where 65 inch 4k's ar at 349 as a black friday sale is because there is spyware.

If that were the case, then I wonder why smart TVs were so much more expensi

Nightfox

Technology prices will drop over time due to Moore's law, however some will ge t a further price drop due to subsidising part of the cost with advertising
or information gathering services. The level of "intelligent" features also affects price. A non-profit I help out with purchased two 55" lcd's, and one had built in ethernet, wifi, a load of choices of services (Netflix, Youtube, etc) and could stream video from a media server. The cheaper of the two offered much less in the form of online applications.

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Gamgee to Matt Munson on Mon Nov 11 2019 08:18 am

It's because, just like all other technology, as time progresses,
and advances are made, and sales increase, things.... get cheaper. Another great example is how computers/computer components have
gotten cheaper. I remember paying more for a 100MB (yes that's
"MB") hard drive in the 90's than I'd pay for a 2TB SSD today.
Same thing with computer memory, the price differences are
unbelievable as compared to years ago.

Yes, I also remember when RAM was over $100 per megabyte. Computer parts are very cheap these days compared to how it used to be. But paradoxically, it seems you can buy a pre-built PC for less than it costs to build your own these days. It used to be cheaper to build your own PC, but these days, I don't think that's so true anymore.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Mon Nov 11 2019 09:53 am

Technology prices will drop over time due to Moore's law, however some

Moore's Law isn't really about price. And my understanding is that Moore's Law applies mainly to processors & similar chips - That the number of transistors on a processor approximately doubles about every 18 months(?) or so. They say Moore's Law is slowing down though.

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Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

It's because, just like all other technology, as time progresses,
and advances are made, and sales increase, things.... get cheaper.
Another great example is how computers/computer components have
gotten cheaper. I remember paying more for a 100MB (yes that's
"MB") hard drive in the 90's than I'd pay for a 2TB SSD today.
Same thing with computer memory, the price differences are
unbelievable as compared to years ago.

Yes, I also remember when RAM was over $100 per megabyte.
Computer parts are very cheap these days compared to how it used
to be. But paradoxically, it seems you can buy a pre-built PC
for less than it costs to build your own these days. It used to
be cheaper to build your own PC, but these days, I don't think
that's so true anymore.

Yep, agreed on the pre-built being likely cheaper nowadays.
Usually they seem to come as a "bundle" with a monitor and maybe
KB/mouse too. I used to enjoy picking out the individual parts
and building my own, but haven't done it in several years now.
Nearly all of my computing is done on a laptop these days, and the
BBS runs on an older small form factor Dell computer that was
kicking around.


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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Mon Nov 11 2019 11:02 am

Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Gamgee to Matt Munson on Mon Nov 11 2019 08:18 am

It's because, just like all other technology, as time progresses,
and advances are made, and sales increase, things.... get cheaper. Another great example is how computers/computer components have
gotten cheaper. I remember paying more for a 100MB (yes that's
"MB") hard drive in the 90's than I'd pay for a 2TB SSD today.
Same thing with computer memory, the price differences are
unbelievable as compared to years ago.

Yes, I also remember when RAM was over $100 per megabyte. Computer parts ar
cheaper to build your own PC, but these days, I don't think that's so true

Nightfox

Low end pc's can be purchased for less than they can be built for. Several years ago I needed a spare pc to learn linux on and use for testing different software packages, and a co-worker told me about a deal Dell had with systems on closeout. For $200 I received a very barebones system that didn't even
have a video card slot (only PCI slots) and IIRC the optical drive it
shipped with was only a reader, not a burner. Only thing I had to do to make it useful was add more memory. 256mb in a 2.4Ghz P4 running Windows XP was a
bit on the silly side. Even with a clean load memory usage was nearly maxed out.

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Mon Nov 11 2019 11:04 am

Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Mon Nov 11 2019 09:53 am

Technology prices will drop over time due to Moore's law, however some

Moore's Law isn't really about price. And my understanding is that Moore's owing down though.

Nightfox

You're right that Moore's law is traditionally based on transistory integration. however it also covers economics involved with such increases.

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Tue Nov 12 2019 02:03 am

Low end pc's can be purchased for less than they can be built for. Several years ago I needed a spare pc to learn linux on and use for testing different software packages, and a co-worker told me about a deal Dell had with systems on closeout. For $200 I received a very barebones system that didn't even have a video card slot (only PCI slots) and IIRC the optical

I remember back in the day when motherboards had PCI and an AGP slot for a video card. Many older video cards used PCI though.. These days though, motherboards tend to only have PCI-Express.

drive it shipped with was only a reader, not a burner. Only thing I had to do to make it useful was add more memory. 256mb in a 2.4Ghz P4 running Windows XP was a
bit on the silly side. Even with a clean load memory usage was nearly maxed out.

That's cool. You can definitely find a lot of useful cheap computers these days.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Tue Nov 12 2019 10:18 am

I remember back in the day when motherboards had PCI and an AGP slot for a v

Nightfox

And before that you'd see boards with PCI and at least one or two ISA slots.

In 1990 when I graduated from a junior college, there was ISA, EISA , and Microchannel bus architectures. ISA (industriy standard architecture) was limited, and IBM developed Microchannel to be it's successor. Being the creators, other pc manufacturers would have to license their bus design. Instead, a group of 12 other manfacturers developed extended industry
standard architecture (EISA) which was backward compatible with ISA, but had taller headers for a second row of pins, plus an additional set of pins and their own header. When I was working for Zenith Data Systems, our EISA
systems required an external configuration program on floppy to set up the ports. The BIOS also required a floppy opposed to pressing a function key to access BIOS. Compaq was the only other company I knew of that did that.
Later on they would add a hidden partition so their config utility could be
run from the hard drive.

In retrospective, PCI was very similar to Microchannel in how it operated. They used the same connector, except it was flipped around the other
direction.

It's amusing how many times IBM tried to wag the dog when it came to trying
to gain control of the standards. There's OS/2, Microchannel (PS/2 was the first to host it,) PS/2 keyboard and mouse ports, plus the 3.5" floppy.
Apple gained more attention for adopting the 3.5" for the Mac. Everyone else kept using 5.25" floppies until manufacturers stopped offering them by
default. There used to be a slogan sales guys used, "no one has ever been fired for choosing IBM."

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Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: HusTler to Chickenhead on Fri Oct 25 2019 01:47 pm

Re: Re: Terminal Applications
By: Chickenhead to Zombie Mambo on Fri Oct 11 2019 07:23 pm

I'll go one further from WebTV...I remember when "WebTV" was called "Telidon."

It failed too.

I had WebTV. I'll tell you what. That thing got me online when I was too broke and had no space for a PC. ;-) . Why we're on the subject do any of these new fangled TV's have a web browser built in these days? I though I saw an Ad for one.

Next step down...

I still have fond memories of using dial-up on my Sega Dreamcast and my Sega Saturn before that. In the case of the Dreamcast, it was the only connection to the Internet I had one Summer when I was staying with my mother on the Gulf Coast. She hadn't gotten propperly settled in to a place of her own, so I couldn't bring my computer with me yet.
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Re: Terminal Applications
By: MRO to Oderus on Sat Aug 10 2019 15:10:12

Actually, I uploaded them to Amigacity, which I consider my Home BBS,
in the Miscellaneous file area. File names are MagiTerm.png,
syncterm.png, and NetRun.png

ever consider using imgur and providing the links?

I actually had not considered that. New school!

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Re: Terminal Applications
By: Zombie Mambo to Oderus on Mon Sep 30 2019 16:04:40

why not use xpmode and run windows as a VM on your linux machine?

Valid point, I shall have to find an install CD somewhere :)

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Re: Terminal Applications
By: Oderus to Zombie Mambo on Mon Mar 16 2020 05:44 pm

Re: Terminal Applications
By: Zombie Mambo to Oderus on Mon Sep 30 2019 16:04:40

why not use xpmode and run windows as a VM on your linux machine?

Valid point, I shall have to find an install CD somewhere :)

XPMODE is free for download from Microsoft, google for it.
All you need is a virtual player to run it (i use oracle's openbox).
You will get the "not registered" nag message but it never expires and with a reg hack or two you can disable that notification in XP.

It's a life-saver and I'm really thankful to Microsoft for providing it.


Thanks,
Zombie Mambo

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Re: Terminal Applications
By: Zombie Mambo to Oderus on Sun Mar 22 2020 11:50:43

XPMODE is free for download from Microsoft, google for it.
All you need is a virtual player to run it (i use oracle's openbox).
You will get the "not registered" nag message but it never expires and with a reg hack or two you can disable that notification in XP.

It's a life-saver and I'm really thankful to Microsoft for providing it.

I will check that out, thank you.

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