What I did find that I had forgotten about was an older Thinkpad with
What I did find that I had forgotten about was an older Thinkpad with
youn33knym wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
What I did find that I had forgotten about was an older Thinkpad with
What I did find that I had forgotten about was an older Thinkpad with
Mentions old Thinkpad with i7......but not the model number!?
You are torturing thinkpad lovers everywhere.
T410, I7-620M, 8 GB RAM, 480 GB SSD - my daily workhorse. Love the keyboard, looks like an antique at coffee shops now.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to youn33knym <=-
Mentions old Thinkpad with i7......but not the model number!?
You are torturing thinkpad lovers everywhere.
T410, I7-620M, 8 GB RAM, 480 GB SSD - my daily workhorse. Love
the keyboard, looks like an antique at coffee shops now.
Gamgee wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I have a T510 with the same specs which gets used a lot, every
day. Must be 7-'ish years old now and I still love it. Don't
think I'll ever buy another laptop that isn't a Lenovo.
trackpads with the buttons as part of the trackpad rather than separate physical buttons, like this: https://www.librador.com/images/blog/thinkpad-trackpad.jpg
I had a laptop with that stupid button. I hated it. I don't think it was a Leveno though. Some engineer thought it was a great idea. I guess not. I
Re: Re: Home Lab
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Feb 21 2020 01:08 pm
trackpads with the buttons as part of the trackpad rather than separate physical buttons, like this: https://www.librador.com/images/blog/thinkpad-trackpad.jpg
I had a laptop with that stupid button. I hated it. I don't think it was a Leveno though. Some engineer thought it was a great idea. I guess not. I haven't see one of those in years. Maybe in a dumpster somewhere? ;-)
I had a laptop with that stupid button. I hated it. I don't think itI assume you mean Lenovo?
was a Leveno though. Some engineer thought it was a great idea. I
I had a laptop with that stupid button. I hated it. I don't think it
was a Leveno though. Some engineer thought it was a great idea. I
guess not. I
Ogg wrote to All <=-
I had a laptop with that stupid button. I hated it. I don't think it
was a Leveno though. Some engineer thought it was a great idea. I
guess not. I
I have exactly that on a reccently acquired T540p.
I am finding it very difficult to get used that new design.
I am still using my T60 and it has a small trackapd with actual
L+R buttons below the pad *and* an extra set of buttons above it.
The keyboard operates smooth as butter.
The T540p has chicklet keys. I do not like those very much at
all.
It is a shame that engineers mess around with something that
works so well for the sake of appearances.
I have exactly that on a reccently acquired T540p.
I am finding it very difficult to get used that new design.
I am still using my T60 and it has a small trackapd with actual L+R buttons below the pad *and* an extra set of buttons above it. The keyboard operates smooth as butter.
The T540p has chicklet keys. I do not like those very much at all.
It is a shame that engineers mess around with something that works so well for the sake of appearances.
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Re: Re: Home Lab
By: Ogg to All on Sun May 03 2020 10:38 pm
I have exactly that on a reccently acquired T540p.
I am finding it very difficult to get used that new design.
I am still using my T60 and it has a small trackapd with actual L+R buttons below the pad *and* an extra set of buttons above it. The keyboard operates smooth as butter.
The T540p has chicklet keys. I do not like those very much at all.
It is a shame that engineers mess around with something that works so well for the sake of appearances.
My ThinkPad collection is still my favorite go-to laptops. They are
just tanks, I can beat them down and they keep on serving me - and they
do it WELL... as far as Linux goes, I'm often surprised at how much decent, current 2020 worthy tasks they can chew up and spit out...
You know, and sure its a task, but you can replace some newer models keyboards with the older style. I have a T430s with the older T420 keyboard installed. I've also upgraded a few of the LCD panels; there
are two easy 1080p+ options.
The ThinkPads are tanks - just smash and mash them into what you need
for today.. I've a pretty 27" Apple box for when it needs to be pretty
- for getting work done, you can find ME [right now] on a Think-linux-box...
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Dennisk wrote to Paulie420 <=-
I have ONLY had thinkpad laptops. My current one is a T43. I can't
say they have been utterly unreliable, but the one I have now I
purchased second hand in 2014 and still runs great today, albeit a bit slow.
I have ONLY had thinkpad laptops. My current one is a T43. I can't say they have been utterly unreliable, but the one I have now I purchased second hand in 2014 and still runs great today, albeit a bit slow. I chose the thinkpad primarily due to it appearing a good choice for Linux users. ThinkWiki is an invaluable site.
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Re: Re: Home Lab
By: Dennisk to Paulie420 on Tue May 05 2020 09:21 pm
I have ONLY had thinkpad laptops. My current one is a T43. I can't say they have been utterly unreliable, but the one I have now I purchased second hand in 2014 and still runs great today, albeit a bit slow. I chose the thinkpad primarily due to it appearing a good choice for Linux users. ThinkWiki is an invaluable site.
I'm on a ThinkPad T430s, and run my BBS on an older X61... I wish mine
was the T430, so I could upgrade the CPU... but I have the 3550 i7 so
its OK; the rest is specced out, 16gb ram SSD, and a LCD upgrade to 1080p... had to order that crazy chinese connector - but it works
great.
Fast for linux, and cheap...
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Dennisk wrote to Paulie420 <=-
this. I'd rather find more efficient ways to work with the machine,
than spend money.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dennisk <=-
Dennisk wrote to Paulie420 <=-
this. I'd rather find more efficient ways to work with the machine,
than spend money.
Anyone can solve a probem by throwing money at it. :)
When I discovered Lubuntu and got rid of XP on my single-core T43, I
was pleasantly surprised and got a couple of years more life. A cheap
PATA SSD gave it a few more years, and I ended up using the same laptop for over 10 years (after it was already obsolete)
... Start where you are. Use what you have. Do what you can.
--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dennisk <=-
Dennisk wrote to Paulie420 <=-
this. I'd rather find more efficient ways to work with the machine, than spend money.
Anyone can solve a probem by throwing money at it. :)
Anyone with money to throw away that is. But it isn't the money which bothe me. It is otherwise good equipment thrown into landfill, wasting resources, leeching toxins into the soil. It is the churn of natural resources to rebu technology over and over and over again to do the same tasks. It is the was of human labour and effort reinventing the wheel, restarting, resetting, reprogramming. I can't abide by waste and hate squandering what we have. People are criminally wasteful. There is always justification for doing thi but most of it doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
When I discovered Lubuntu and got rid of XP on my single-core T43, I was pleasantly surprised and got a couple of years more life. A cheap PATA SSD gave it a few more years, and I ended up using the same laptop for over 10 years (after it was already obsolete)
Wait until you discover Puppy Linux or LTSP, then you'll get years more. Wh I was younger and living with my family, I had my machine set up as a Linux Terminal Server, which allowed my sister on the Pentium 100, using a boot floppy, to log directly into my computer using an account, and browse the internet.
... Start where you are. Use what you have. Do what you can.
--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
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... Dennis Katsonis
Moondog wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Home Lab
By: Dennisk to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu May 07 2020 09:06 am
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dennisk <=-
Dennisk wrote to Paulie420 <=-
this. I'd rather find more efficient ways to work with the machine, than spend money.
Anyone can solve a probem by throwing money at it. :)
Anyone with money to throw away that is. But it isn't the money which bothe me. It is otherwise good equipment thrown into landfill, wasting resources, leeching toxins into the soil. It is the churn of natural resources to rebu technology over and over and over again to do the same tasks. It is the was of human labour and effort reinventing the wheel, restarting, resetting, reprogramming. I can't abide by waste and hate squandering what we have. People are criminally wasteful. There is always justification for doing thi but most of it doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
When I discovered Lubuntu and got rid of XP on my single-core T43, I was pleasantly surprised and got a couple of years more life. A cheap PATA SSD gave it a few more years, and I ended up using the same laptop for over 10 years (after it was already obsolete)
Wait until you discover Puppy Linux or LTSP, then you'll get years more. Wh I was younger and living with my family, I had my machine set up as a Linux Terminal Server, which allowed my sister on the Pentium 100, using a boot floppy, to log directly into my computer using an account, and browse the internet.
... Start where you are. Use what you have. Do what you can.
--- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
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... Dennis Katsonis
Puppy linux has helped me re-purpose several pc's. I have a pc running FreeDOS, and there's times I need to transfer files from a thumb drive
or network to it, so I'll pop in a Puppy boot CD to access those
devices.
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There are USB drivers for DOS, right? I'm sure I've seen some. Add to that a DOS TCP stack and tools, like mTCP, you should be good to go. That being said, nothing wrong with using Puppy instead.
Re: Re: Home Lab
By: Dennisk to Moondog on Fri May 08 2020 08:54 am
There are USB drivers for DOS, right? I'm sure I've seen some. Add to t a DOS TCP stack and tools, like mTCP, you should be good to go. That be said, nothing wrong with using Puppy instead.
I don't recall seeing USB drivers for DOS. I don't remember ever using a US . If I had a USB mouse, I'd always check to see if it was compatible with a
But I do remember seeing an ISP dialup program for DOS that provided TCP/IP
Nightfox
Nightfox wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Home Lab
By: Dennisk to Moondog on Fri May 08 2020 08:54 am
There are USB drivers for DOS, right? I'm sure I've seen some. Add to that a DOS TCP stack and tools, like mTCP, you should be good to go. That being said, nothing wrong with using Puppy instead.
I don't recall seeing USB drivers for DOS. I don't remember ever using
a USB device in DOS anyway.. A long time ago, I stuck with PS/2 for keyboards & mice for a long time for backwards-compatibility in case I needed to use a DOS boot disk for anything. If I had a USB mouse, I'd always check to see if it was compatible with a USB-PS/2 adapter so I could plug it into the PS/2 port.
But I do remember seeing an ISP dialup program for DOS that provided TCP/IP capability and internet access for DOS.
Nightfox
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Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-
It's a matter of me being lazy and expecting immdiate results from tech
I know will work. I would like to get Arachne going, just to see how
it handles modern sites.
I'm using DOS 6.22 on a 486 DX4/100 right now, using mTelnet. There are USB drivers, two I can see are DOSUSB, which supports USB1, 2 and 3, and USBASPI v2.20. I have no need for them, but they do exist, so perhaps they are an option for you.
But I do remember seeing an ISP dialup program for DOS that provided TCP/IP cap
bility and internet access for DOS.
Moondog wrote to Nightfox <=-
It's a matter of me being lazy and expecting immdiate results from tech I know will work. I would like to get Arachne going, just to see how it handles modern sites.
The quickest way would be to get DOSBOX working with NE2000 emulation; I'm running it now. It's a huge waste of screen real estate and it ugly as hell but it mostly works.
MINUET was a dos internet package that looked like a DOS IDE wrapped around a suite of apps, but I think the browser was text-only.
... The exception also declares the ruleUntil I get my actual NE2000 card and mTCP going on my Portable II, my other physical Dos system is used for serial file transfers via Fastlynx.
Nightfox wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Home Lab
By: Dennisk to Nightfox on Sun May 03 2020 12:03 pm
I'm using DOS 6.22 on a 486 DX4/100 right now, using mTelnet. There are USB drivers, two I can see are DOSUSB, which supports USB1, 2 and 3, and USBASPI v2.20. I have no need for them, but they do exist, so perhaps they are an option for you.
Ah.. I didn't know there was any development for that kind of thing
going on for DOS.
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I'm using DOS 6.22 on a 486 DX4/100 right now, using mTelnet. There
are USB drivers, two I can see are DOSUSB, which supports USB1, 2
and 3, and USBASPI v2.20. I have no need for them, but they do
exist, so perhaps they are an option for you.
Ah.. I didn't know there was any development for that kind of thing
going on for DOS.
There probably isn't much now, but remember that USB has been around more than 20 years, and USB3 for what, a decade? So even if development stopped a decade ago for DOS, we would still have USB3 drivers.
I thought the development of DOS software started to slow down significantly around 1995 when Windows 95 came out. If I recall, Windows 95 didn't seem to properly add USB support until OSR2.1 came out (around 1996-ish, I think?), and even then, I heard its USB support still was lacking a little bit. It seems DOS use did still continue for a little bit, so I guess it's possible that there would be USB or even USB3 drivers for DOS..
Nightfox
Yeah, the development did slow down, but not stop. Nevertheless, the USB driver exists.
Yeah, the development did slow down, but not stop. Nevertheless, the USB driver exists.
Did it come out of the FreeDOS project?
Yeah, the development did slow down, but not stop. Nevertheless, the
USB driver exists.
Did it come out of the FreeDOS project?
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Re: Re: Home Lab
By: Dumas Walker to DENNISK on Sun May 10 2020 06:53 pm
Yeah, the development did slow down, but not stop. Nevertheless, the
USB driver exists.
Did it come out of the FreeDOS project?
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For BBS stuff, I came a little later - so DOS (and the FreeDOS) project now - is where my heart lies... I want to setup two boxes, and 8088 AT
IBM machine and a powerhouse 486 system.... thats my hayday.
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Is there a compelling reason to use FreeDOS instead of MS-DOS 6.22 on older machines, aside from not actually having MS-DOS 6.22? I have a FreeDOS install on my Desktop, but mostly because Linux doesn't handle the floppy drive correctly anymore.
... Dennis Katsonis
For BBS stuff, I came a little later - so DOS (and the FreeDOS) project now -
where my heart lies... I want to setup two boxes, and 8088 AT IBM machine and
powerhouse 486 system.... thats my hayday.
For BBS stuff, I came a little later - so DOS (and the FreeDOS)
project now - where my heart lies... I want to setup two boxes, and
8088 AT IBM machine and powerhouse 486 system.... thats my hayday.
Yeah, my nostalga systems would be the 8088 and a 386 DX-40. Those were my first two clone machines.
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Re: Re: Home Lab
By: Dennisk to Paulie420 on Tue May 12 2020 09:04 am
Is there a compelling reason to use FreeDOS instead of MS-DOS 6.22 on older machines, aside from not actually having MS-DOS 6.22? I have a FreeDOS install on my Desktop, but mostly because Linux doesn't handle the floppy drive correctly anymore.
... Dennis Katsonis
LOL, thats why I use it on an old 386 machine I have that still
kicking... I lost those big DOS IBM folders that were so cool.
For my linux box, I just use DOSBOX and go... its too easy to have an 'app' that does it all.
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Dumas Walker wrote to PAULIE420 <=--
For BBS stuff, I came a little later - so DOS (and the FreeDOS) project now
where my heart lies... I want to setup two boxes, and 8088 AT IBM machineand
powerhouse 486 system.... thats my hayday.
Yeah, my nostalga systems would be the 8088 and a 386 DX-40. Those
were my first two clone machines.
Paulie420 wrote to Dennisk <=-
For my linux box, I just use DOSBOX and go... its too easy to have an 'app' that does it all.
Dumas Walker wrote to PAULIE420 <=-
Yeah, my nostalga systems would be the 8088 and a 386 DX-40. Those
were my first two clone machines.
I've wanted a DOS box for some time now, but DOSBOX in a full screen does enough to make me not need physical hardware. Being able to emulate all of the hardware of the time, including an NE2000 card - then being able to emulate a serial port with a TCP port to use old COMM apps with telnet BBSes is pretty neat.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Paulie420 <=-
For my linux box, I just use DOSBOX and go... its too easy to have an 'app' that does it all.
I've wanted a DOS box for some time now, but DOSBOX in a full
screen does enough to make me not need physical hardware. Being
able to emulate all of the hardware of the time, including an
NE2000 card - then being able to emulate a serial port with a TCP
port to use old COMM apps with telnet BBSes is pretty neat.
Re: Re: Home Lab
By: Dumas Walker to PAULIE420 on Tue May 12 2020 12:39 pm
For BBS stuff, I came a little later - so DOS (and the FreeDOS)
project now - where my heart lies... I want to setup two boxes, and
8088 AT IBM machine and powerhouse 486 system.... thats my hayday.
Yeah, my nostalga systems would be the 8088 and a 386 DX-40. Those were first two clone machines.
Yep... my Uncle was an engineer @ IBM world headquarters in New York. So we A upgrade on that PC...
Later came a Tandy that sucked, but my parents paid big bucks for... ugh. Ha t point, I knew everything and was a super computer hacker and was always in
Man I miss those times.
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Dumas Walker wrote to PAULIE420 <=-
Yeah, my nostalga systems would be the 8088 and a 386 DX-40. Those were my first two clone machines.
A Compaq Portable II with one of those ISA add-in hard drives would be mine.
... Start where you are. Use what you have. Do what you can.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Paulie420 <=-
For my linux box, I just use DOSBOX and go... its too easy to have an 'app' that does it all.
I've wanted a DOS box for some time now, but DOSBOX in a full
screen does enough to make me not need physical hardware. Being
able to emulate all of the hardware of the time, including an
NE2000 card - then being able to emulate a serial port with a TCP
port to use old COMM apps with telnet BBSes is pretty neat.
Not that I'm actually arguing the point here..., but wouldn't it
be even cooler to have the actual hardware doing that? :-)
Haven't looked lately, but that stuff is pretty pricey these days
on eBay, etc... (proud owner of a working 486 w/ 2 serial ports
here). ;-)
... Potted meat: all the other stuff too vile for hot dogs.
Paulie420 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I've wanted a DOS box for some time now, but DOSBOX in a full screen does enough to make me not need physical hardware. Being able to emulate all of the hardware of the time, including an NE2000 card - then being able to emulate a serial port with a TCP port to use old COMM apps with telnet BBSes is pretty neat.
I don't know how to do that, as I would love to use my copy of
Terminate 5... or heck, even BBS software from back in the day. Can you elaborate on that process??
Gamgee wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Not that I'm actually arguing the point here..., but wouldn't it
be even cooler to have the actual hardware doing that? :-)
Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
IIRC it's either 640k or 1mb, so Win 3.1 is a no go. I have run Open
Gem in a DOSBOX, and it's supposed to run on a machine with less than 512k.
Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-
I'm wondering how the early Pentium hardware market will bear in a
couple of years. the pc recycling guys get more money recycling first
and second gen Pentium board and cpu's due to the high gold content.
I find it interesting there is no stopping point in learning as technology advances. As you stated, DOS and pre-plug and play systems required savvy with regards to making devices play together, plus having to adjust autoexec.bat and config.sys settings so everything ran at it's best. With Win 3.x, it was the .ini files. With Win9x and above, knowledge of the registry became important. When I began experimenting with linux 15 years ago, it reminded me alot like DOS and Win 3.x because of the system config files. It was fun to take a so-called "pc expert" and sit him down in front of something other than Win XP or newer, especially linux.
Paulie420 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I've wanted a DOS box for some time now, but DOSBOX in a full screen
does enough to make me not need physical hardware. Being able to
emulate all of the hardware of the time, including an NE2000 card -
then being able to emulate a serial port with a TCP port to use old
COMM apps with telnet BBSes is pretty neat.
I don't know how to do that, as I would love to use my copy of
Terminate 5... or heck, even BBS software from back in the day. Can
you elaborate on that process??
There are lots of different builds of DOSBOX - look in the dosbox configuration file under serial ports and see if there's a "modem" option for the comm ports.
I define my COMM1 port as "modem listenport:23", and when I send hayes commands with the hostname instead of a phone number, it connects to that host via port 23 (telnet)
For BBS software, I think you need to run NETFOSSIL or something like that to do full port redirection.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Moondog <=-
Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-
I'm wondering how the early Pentium hardware market will bear in a
couple of years. the pc recycling guys get more money recycling first
and second gen Pentium board and cpu's due to the high gold content.
Those were good years; I went from a P166 to a P233/mmx, to a Pentium
Pro and those systems lasted way longer than I would have expected.
Didn't know about the gold content.
Anyone can do a clean looking PC install with SATA cabling -- making
one of those old ATA/floppy systems cabling look good took some skill.
:)
paulie420 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I love SyncTerm, but if I could get my TER-500 Terminate working... I'd smile. Or even Telix or.... you know. :P I wanna login like I did back then man.
I have Telix running in DOS box, and hearing that alert connect sound after so many years brought me back.
Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
IIRC it's either 640k or 1mb, so Win 3.1 is a no go. I have run Open Gem in a DOSBOX, and it's supposed to run on a machine with less than 512k.
Back when I had that machine, I had a couple of AST 8-bit memory cards - bumped memory up to 8MB RAM, but they were slow as hell. I remember getting them to work in a desktop, can't remember if I had room in the Portable for it.
Greenscale CGA graphics for the win!
... Do the words need changing?
Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-
I'm wondering how the early Pentium hardware market will bear in a couple of years. the pc recycling guys get more money recycling first and second gen Pentium board and cpu's due to the high gold content.
Those were good years; I went from a P166 to a P233/mmx, to a Pentium Pro and those systems lasted way longer than I would have expected. Didn't know about the gold content.
Anyone can do a clean looking PC install with SATA cabling -- making one of those old ATA/floppy systems cabling look good took some skill. :)
... Change nothing and continue consistently
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Moondog <=-
Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-
I'm wondering how the early Pentium hardware market will bear in a couple of years. the pc recycling guys get more money recycling first and second gen Pentium board and cpu's due to the high gold content.
Those were good years; I went from a P166 to a P233/mmx, to a Pentium Pro and those systems lasted way longer than I would have expected. Didn't know about the gold content.
Anyone can do a clean looking PC install with SATA cabling -- making one of those old ATA/floppy systems cabling look good took some skill. :)
Having fixed up a few old systems, I can state that I utterly hate ribbon cables, and now that those systems are set up, I never want to have to shift drives around again.
... Dennis Katsonis
Having fixed up a few old systems, I can state that I utterly hate
ribbon cables, and now that those systems are set up, I never want to
have to shift drives around again.
I find some humor in the board designers finallly placing ATA and floppy headers on the edge of boards instead of the random spots in the middle, only to see the devices that used them either e phased out or replaced with a newer, thinner standard. The only benefit I see for having the connectors somewhere other than the edges is if the board was designed for specific slimline case, and connector location was critical to the design.
paulie420 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I love SyncTerm, but if I could get my TER-500 Terminate working...
I'd smile. Or even Telix or.... you know. :P I wanna login like I
did back then man.
I have Telix running in DOS box, and hearing that alert connect sound after so many years brought me back.
Re: Re: Home Lab
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Paulie420 on Wed May 13 2020 06:44 am
I've wanted a DOS box for some time now, but DOSBOX in a full screen do enough to make me not need physical hardware. Being able to emulate all the hardware of the time, including an NE2000 card - then being able to emulate a serial port with a TCP port to use old COMM apps with telnet BBSes is pretty neat.
I don't know how to do that, as I would love to use my copy of Terminate 5.. or heck, even BBS software from back in the day. Can you elaborate on that process??
Moondog wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Home Lab
By: Dennisk to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri May 15 2020 09:21 am
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Moondog <=-
Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-
I'm wondering how the early Pentium hardware market will bear in a couple of years. the pc recycling guys get more money recycling first and second gen Pentium board and cpu's due to the high gold content.
Those were good years; I went from a P166 to a P233/mmx, to a Pentium Pro and those systems lasted way longer than I would have expected. Didn't know about the gold content.
Anyone can do a clean looking PC install with SATA cabling -- making one of those old ATA/floppy systems cabling look good took some skill. :)
Having fixed up a few old systems, I can state that I utterly hate ribbon cables, and now that those systems are set up, I never want to have to shift drives around again.
... Dennis Katsonis
I find some humor in the board designers finallly placing ATA and
floppy headers on the edge of boards instead of the random spots in the middle, only to see the devices that used them either e phased out or replaced with a newer, thinner standard. The only benefit I see for having the connectors somewhere other than the edges is if the board
was designed for specific slimline case, and connector location was critical to the design.
Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I like the Portable design. I wish I was more of a fabricator, because
I would like to build a machine inspired by it's design with new components. I could
Nightfox wrote to Moondog <=-
I've seen a lot of motherboards these days with SATA ports on the edge, facing outward (rather than upward). I sometimes find those ports a
bit awkward, since they don't point in the direction I need the cables
to go.
My Dell T3400 has 2 SATA slots at the bottom of the case, which is OK -- but the drives stick out so far that even with right-angle SATA cables there's a bit of pressure on them.
It's been running like that since 2012, so I guess it'll hang in there a little longer. I love the system, but with me working from home, 8GB of RAM is turning out to be a pain.
It could allegedly go up to 16GB, but DDR2 ECC RAM costs enough to make me want to just buy a T3500 that takes cheaper, Non-ECC DDR3 RAM.
Do you work for a place where you can request a work laptop or something where you could specify what RAM & all you need?
Nightfox wrote to Moondog <=-
It's been running like that since 2012, so I guess it'll hang in there a little longer. I love the system, but with me working from home, 8GB of RAM is turning out to be a pain.
I find some humor in the board designers finallly placing ATA and floppy headers on the edge of boards instead of the random spots in the middle, only to see the devices that used them either e phased out or replaced with a newer, thinner standard. The only benefit I see for having the connectors somewhere other than the edges is if the board was designed for specific slimline case, and connector location was critical to the design.
With the roomy cases of the old XT system, it wasn't a problem. You had roo to put a small dog in the case. I lost a partition due to a faulty IDE ribb cable. I must have pulled it in and out of a drive too many times, and something came loose, which I didn't realise until the FAT table got scrambl
SATA connectors are not designed to be pulled in and out much either, but t do plug and unplug easier.
... Dennis Katsonis
Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I like the Portable design. I wish I was more of a fabricator, because I would like to build a machine inspired by it's design with new components. I could
Shorten the case, put a small 16:9 LCD in the front, and decent video card in it, batteries, and a modern CPU. Full-travel keyboard. That would rock.
... Curious ideas wait for stranger times
Nightfox wrote to Moondog <=-
I've seen a lot of motherboards these days with SATA ports on the edge, facing outward (rather than upward). I sometimes find those ports a bit awkward, since they don't point in the direction I need the cables to go.
My Dell T3400 has 2 SATA slots at the bottom of the case, which is OK -- but the drives stick out so far that even with right-angle SATA cables there's a bit of pressure on them.
It's been running like that since 2012, so I guess it'll hang in there a little longer. I love the system, but with me working from home, 8GB of RAM is turning out to be a pain.
It could allegedly go up to 16GB, but DDR2 ECC RAM costs enough to make me want to just buy a T3500 that takes cheaper, Non-ECC DDR3 RAM.
... XT or AT, it makes a big difference.
paulie420 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I think I have some DDR2 laying around. Either 8GB or at least 4...
if interested I can USPS some direct, daddio.
Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
The T3400 was quite the beast during it's time.
I've senen my share of monster towers with more bays than you could ever use, but I've also run into quite a few OEM designs where they tried to tuck as
I've senen my share of monster towers with more bays than you could ever u but I've also run into quite a few OEM designs where they tried to tuck as
I had one set up for several years. I replaced it about a month ago with
an SBC. :)
I keep a couple of old desktops around for odd tasks. I have one that acts as a print server and scanning station. After I scan documents, they're saved in a network shared folder. I'm thinking I can get by with using an SBC to replace it. It's a 12-13 y/o desktop, and I run some other linux apps on it such as Guitarix, so I might move it upstairs and re-purpose it again for music recording and editing.
Another issue is I have not been receiving any hand me down or company throw out pc's as of late, so what I have in inventory for use is looking more like a museum collection than pc's that can be re-purposed. I have a Pi3 and a Pi4, and have set up a Pine Rock64 sbc for a non-profit to run a marquee display. Odroid has a new board that looks like an interesting alternative to a Pi4.
I'd love to have an AT clone with a ton of EMS, or a 386/40. EGA or VGA graphics. old-school clicky keyboard. Compaq Portable II/III... AT&T 6300.
Or a PS/2 like I had at my first job - Model 80 with 8 MB of RAM.
I keep a couple of old desktops around for odd tasks. I have one that act as a print server and scanning station. After I scan documents, they're saved in a network shared folder. I'm thinking I can get by with using an SBC to replace it. It's a 12-13 y/o desktop, and I run some other linux a on it such as Guitarix, so I might move it upstairs and re-purpose it agai for music recording and editing.
I do keep a couple of desktops for odd tasks also. I have one that is running OS/2 for my DOS BBS (for now!). I also have one that I can use to access CD roms.
Another issue is I have not been receiving any hand me down or company thr out pc's as of late, so what I have in inventory for use is looking more l a museum collection than pc's that can be re-purposed. I have a Pi3 and a Pi4, and have set up a Pine Rock64 sbc for a non-profit to run a marquee display. Odroid has a new board that looks like an interesting alternative a Pi4.
Same here. My two recent hand me downs were from a friend and from the
side of the road. :O :D The latter one I got a lot more service out of even though it was not as powerful. I eventually replaced it with an UP Board. The former is a more modern dual-core that had Win 7 (??) on it. I had trouble getting it to do much so I installed linux on it. Debian at first then later Devuan.
Seems like it does not like WWW browsers much. Opening one will sometimes lock that system cold. But it has a CD drive & can more easily access the nfs shares than OS/2 can so it gets powered up every now & then.
Moondog wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Home Lab
By: Dennisk to Moondog on Sat May 16 2020 08:18 pm
I find some humor in the board designers finallly placing ATA and floppy headers on the edge of boards instead of the random spots in the middle, only to see the devices that used them either e phased out or replaced with a newer, thinner standard. The only benefit I see for having the connectors somewhere other than the edges is if the board was designed for specific slimline case, and connector location was critical to the design.
With the roomy cases of the old XT system, it wasn't a problem. You had roo to put a small dog in the case. I lost a partition due to a faulty IDE ribb cable. I must have pulled it in and out of a drive too many times, and something came loose, which I didn't realise until the FAT table got scrambl
SATA connectors are not designed to be pulled in and out much either, but t do plug and unplug easier.
... Dennis Katsonis
I've senen my share of monster towers with more bays than you could
ever use, but I've also run into quite a few OEM designs where they
tried to tuck as many items in the smallest case possible. For a
couple of years ZDS wanted to get into budget mass market systems and resorted to hiring a Taiwanese company to build them and market them in catalogs such as Crutchfield's. These were branded plain jane 486 and
386 clones with 100 Watt psu's and a case that was just big enough to house the main baord, a riser card, a 3.5" floppy, a 5.25" floppy, and
a hard drive. Technically there were 2 5.25" bays, however literature that came with it ignored the second bay because of the low powered
psu. IIRC the psu had a wierd form factor, so finding a larger psu
that fit was a no go.
Moondog wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
re-purposed. I have a Pi3 and a Pi4, and have set up a Pine Rock64 sbc for a non-profit to run a marquee display. Odroid has a new board that looks like an interesting alternative to a Pi4.
My 486 DX4/100 isn't much bigger. Just big enough for two floppy drives and two hard disks. In some ways, compactness makes things a little easier, ins ome ways, because you can have the IDE cable reach both the master and slave drives. One of my larger cases is more of a problem, because the cable cann reach all the drives. Obviously, longer cables would help but I can only wo with what I have.
I wonder if you could build the case so that the power and data connectors w in the case itself, with sockets at the back of the drive bay. Just push th drives in.
... Dennis Katsonis
My 486 DX4/100 isn't much bigger. Just big enough for two floppy drives and two hard disks. In some ways, compactness makes things a little easier, ins ome ways, because you can have the IDE cable reach both the master and slave drives. One of my larger cases is more of a problem, because the cable cann reach all the drives. Obviously, longer cables would help but I can only wo with what I have.
I wonder if you could build the case so that the power and data connectors w in the case itself, with sockets at the back of the drive bay. Just push th drives in.
... Dennis Katsonis
I'm sure it's possible to create a backplane with power and data on it, however in order to make it compatible with most of the hardware out there it may require proprietary cradles, similar to the removable drive caddys present in the mid to late 1990's. I noticed it more with floppies where the power and date cables aren't consistently spaced. Same with PATA hard drives and optical drive to some extent. Modern servers are that way. Hot swappable
drive bays are not a new thing.
Moondog wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
re-purposed. I have a Pi3 and a Pi4, and have set up a Pine Rock64
sbc for a non-profit to run a marquee display. Odroid has a new
board that looks like an interesting alternative to a Pi4.
Those Odroids do look good.
I have the BBS running under Windows on a dual core PC; I'm looking at using DD-WRT on my router to see what I can get it to do (Currently using it for DLNA, Lighthttpd, and looking at some kind of proxying) and looking at a Pi (probably a Pi Zero W) to set up as an experiment. That seems like a pretty good setup to play with while not costing an arm and a leg in power.
Moondog wrote to Dennisk <=-
I'm sure it's possible to create a backplane with power and data on it, however in order to make it compatible with most of the hardware out
there it may require proprietary cradles, similar to the removable
drive caddys present in the mid to late 1990's.
Re: Re: Home Lab
By: Moondog to Dennisk on Tue May 19 2020 12:40 pm
My 486 DX4/100 isn't much bigger. Just big enough for two floppy driv and two hard disks. In some ways, compactness makes things a little easier, ins ome ways, because you can have the IDE cable reach both th master and slave drives. One of my larger cases is more of a problem, because the cable cann reach all the drives. Obviously, longer cables would help but I can only wo with what I have.
I wonder if you could build the case so that the power and data connectors w in the case itself, with sockets at the back of the drive bay. Just push th drives in.
... Dennis Katsonis
I'm sure it's possible to create a backplane with power and data on it, however in order to make it compatible with most of the hardware out ther it may require proprietary cradles, similar to the removable drive caddys present in the mid to late 1990's. I noticed it more with floppies where the power and date cables aren't consistently spaced. Same with PATA har drives and optical drive to some extent. Modern servers are that way. swappable
drive bays are not a new thing.
Perhaps. If it was a given that a particular bay would take a particular si SATA hard drive, or a blueray drive, it could be done. It is less flexible, but would be neater. At the back where the hard drive sits there is a place with the power/data connectors, and the drives slide in. At the other end o the plate are sockets to connect it to the motherboard. Kind of similar to networking patch panel.
It probably isn't that workable, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it done sometime in the near future.
Re: Re: Home Lab
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Mon May 18 2020 04:46 am
Moondog wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
re-purposed. I have a Pi3 and a Pi4, and have set up a Pine Rock64
sbc for a non-profit to run a marquee display. Odroid has a new
board that looks like an interesting alternative to a Pi4.
Those Odroids do look good.
I have the BBS running under Windows on a dual core PC; I'm looking at using DD-WRT on my router to see what I can get it to do (Currently usi it for DLNA, Lighthttpd, and looking at some kind of proxying) and look at a Pi (probably a Pi Zero W) to set up as an experiment. That seems l a pretty good setup to play with while not costing an arm and a leg in power.
Are those ODROIDs a higher spec than the RPi 4???
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Moondog wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Home Lab
By: Dennisk to Moondog on Wed May 20 2020 09:10 am
Re: Re: Home Lab
By: Moondog to Dennisk on Tue May 19 2020 12:40 pm
My 486 DX4/100 isn't much bigger. Just big enough for two floppy driv and two hard disks. In some ways, compactness makes things a little easier, ins ome ways, because you can have the IDE cable reach both th master and slave drives. One of my larger cases is more of a problem, because the cable cann reach all the drives. Obviously, longer cables would help but I can only wo with what I have.
I wonder if you could build the case so that the power and data connectors w in the case itself, with sockets at the back of the drive bay. Just push th drives in.
... Dennis Katsonis
I'm sure it's possible to create a backplane with power and data on it, however in order to make it compatible with most of the hardware out ther it may require proprietary cradles, similar to the removable drive caddys present in the mid to late 1990's. I noticed it more with floppies where the power and date cables aren't consistently spaced. Same with PATA har drives and optical drive to some extent. Modern servers are that way. swappable
drive bays are not a new thing.
Perhaps. If it was a given that a particular bay would take a particular si SATA hard drive, or a blueray drive, it could be done. It is less flexible, but would be neater. At the back where the hard drive sits there is a place with the power/data connectors, and the drives slide in. At the other end o the plate are sockets to connect it to the motherboard. Kind of similar to networking patch panel.
It probably isn't that workable, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it done sometime in the near future.
Either a manufacturer would have to take a leap of faith and hope
buyers adopt his standard, or a group of manufacturers will have to
agree on a docking standard.
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Either a manufacturer would have to take a leap of faith and hope buyers adopt his standard, or a group of manufacturers will have to agree on a docking standard.
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Yeah, probably won't happen then.
... Dennis Katsonis
As mentioned previously, servers and
some NAS's with hot swap bays have
taken the leap to cradles and caddys
That's probably as close as we'll ge
regarding modularity.
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