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On 2023-06-18, Mickey <INTERSPY!Mickey@vert.synchro.net> wrote:
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2: Center
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Center-left. Healthcare should not be monetized. But you are free to produce profit on anything else, such as iPhones, video game consoles...
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Center-left. Healthcare should not be monetized. But you are free to produce > profit on anything else, such as iPhones, video game consoles...
Re: Re: Your Political Leanings?
By: anthk to Mickey on Sun Jun 18 2023 12:51 pm
On 2023-06-18, Mickey <INTERSPY!Mickey@vert.synchro.net> wrote:
1: Left
2: Center
3: Right
Center-left. Healthcare should not be monetized. But you are free to prod > > profit on anything else, such as iPhones, video game consoles...
there's more of a choice if it's monetized.
doctors and other workers need to get paid somehow.
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there's more of a choice if it's monetized.
doctors and other workers need to get paid somehow.
Unfortunately, the free market keeps directing all that pay to
health insurance admins, hospital admins, and politicians.
MRO wrote to Margaerynne <=-
Unfortunately, the free market keeps directing all that pay to
health insurance admins, hospital admins, and politicians.
so doctors and nurses don't have good pay and benefits?
Re: Re: Your Political Leanings?Try with small independent clinics that don't work as part of a big hospitalarygroup.
By: MRO to anthk on Sun Jun 18 2023 03:43 pm
there's more of a choice if it's monetized.
doctors and other workers need to get paid somehow.
In the system I work for, everyone absolutely agrees!
Unfortunately, the free market keeps directing all that pay to
health insurance admins, hospital admins, and politicians.
But maybe if we throw even more money at it, some of that will trickle down
On 2023-06-18, Mickey <INTERSPY!Mickey@vert.synchro.net> wrote:
1: Left
2: Center
3: Right
Center-left. Healthcare should not be monetized. But you are free to produce profit on anything else, such as iPhones, video game consoles...
1: Left
2: Center
3: Right
Re: Re: Your Political Leanings?They get paid. It's called taxes. The goverment pays a big chunk for them monthly.
By: anthk to Mickey on Sun Jun 18 2023 12:51 pm
On 2023-06-18, Mickey <INTERSPY!Mickey@vert.synchro.net> wrote:
1: Left
2: Center
3: Right
Center-left. Healthcare should not be monetized. But you are free to produce
profit on anything else, such as iPhones, video game consoles...
there's more of a choice if it's monetized.
doctors and other workers need to get paid somehow.
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Re: Re: Your Political Leanings?I'm from Spain. I know that. But a lot of people it's dumb, even the "loaded" ones. My ex-uncle got a horrible private medical service for something better done under public healthcare. My ex-uncle was right-leaned with neocon
By: MRO to anthk on Sun Jun 18 2023 03:43 pm
Re: Re: Your Political Leanings?
By: anthk to Mickey on Sun Jun 18 2023 12:51 pm
On 2023-06-18, Mickey <INTERSPY!Mickey@vert.synchro.net> wrote:
1: Left
2: Center
3: Right
Center-left. Healthcare should not be monetized. But you are free to prod > > profit on anything else, such as iPhones, video game consoles...
there's more of a choice if it's monetized.
doctors and other workers need to get paid somehow.
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Something funny that happens in Spain is that they force you to buy socialized
healthcare whether you want it or not, so if you end up using something else, you pay your healthcare twice: the socialized one and the second option...
...except if you are a public servant or officer. In that case, you are given the option of buying either socialized healthcare or private healthcare and buying only the one you use. I know nobody who picks socialized.
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Re: Re: Your Political Leanings?
By: anthk to Mickey on Sun Jun 18 2023 12:51 pm
This is specially tiresome because I often get this from people they screwed insocialized healthcare and come to unsocialized healthcare chanting that healthcare should be socialized and that private healthcare sucks. Ok, you are free to think it sucks but then go back to socialized healthcare, right?
Try with small independent clinics that don't work as part of a big hospitalarygroup.
Insurance companies usually pipe all the patients to big hospitalary groups because it is safer for them in the long
run ("nobody got ever fired for hiringIBM") but IMO small clinics are hard to beat when it comes to the quality of
the service.
Fun fact is small independent units are dropping insurance contracts like crazyas of late. Socialized healthcare is
so overloaded as of late that there is a
big number of patients bleeding out of it into private healthcare, and independent health professionals would rather
not deal with insurance companiessince they barely have the capacity to deal with the number of independent
patients they get anyway.
Unfortunately, the free market keeps directing all that pay to
health insurance admins, hospital admins, and politicians.
so doctors and nurses don't have good pay and benefits?
Re: Re: Your Political Leanings?
By: Margaerynne to MRO on Sun Jun 18 2023 09:57 pm
Re: Re: Your Political Leanings?
By: MRO to anthk on Sun Jun 18 2023 03:43 pm
there's more of a choice if it's monetized.
doctors and other workers need to get paid somehow.
In the system I work for, everyone absolutely agrees!
Unfortunately, the free market keeps directing all that pay to
health insurance admins, hospital admins, and politicians.
But maybe if we throw even more money at it, some of that will trickle dTry with small independent clinics that don't work as part of a big hospital
Insurance companies usually pipe all the patients to big hospitalary groups because it is safer for them in the long run ("nobody got ever fired for hir the service.
Fun fact is small independent units are dropping insurance contracts like cr big number of patients bleeding out of it into private healthcare, and independent health professionals would rather not deal with insurance compan patients they get anyway.
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MRO wrote to Margaerynne <=-
Nurses are not particularly well-paid.
Similar to teachers and first responders.
On 2023-06-18, Mickey <INTERSPY!Mickey@vert.synchro.net> wrote:
Perhaps the better solution is to REDUCE the excessive costs of insurance and legal protection that raise cost to the patient. Most doctors are required to carry over one million dollars of liability insurance just to protect themselves if something goes other than planned.
Teachers in Ontario are making in access of 100,000/Annual
What's wrong with that? IT certainly isn't minimum wage.
MRO wrote to anthk <=-
there's more of a choice if it's monetized.
doctors and other workers need to get paid somehow.
there's more of a choice if it's monetized.They get paid. It's called taxes. The goverment pays a big chunk for them monthly.
doctors and other workers need to get paid somehow.
There an interesting difference between the U.S. and Canada but IT is currently changing. We've decided up here that we should have private healthcare as well as public. Some provinces are slowly implementing it and it's quite popular among people 'with money'.
It's going to open a whole bunch of whoop ass among us gentle folk.
To your point, it seems that nurses here make a little over the median US salary,
which does counter my assumption. Apparently the system I work for is just particularly
cheap, which might explain a few things.
there's more of a choice if it's monetized.
Maybe it's different in Canada, but I often hear about teachers in the US making relatively less than people in other careers. I just did a quick search online and found this page:
https://www.niche.com/blog/teacher-salaries-in-america/
At a previous job the HR department was constantly changing health insurance carriers. Eventually they went to an HMO plan, where the plan only paid if you went to "in system" health providers. If an employee went outside the net work in order to stay with an established practioner, the amount paid would
be way less or non-existant. The "preferred" doctors were an hour to 90 minute's drive away, and overbooked. Schedu ling an appointment meant you could wait 6 months to a year.
One of the problems, is that society these days being so litigeous. If you're working with the public these days you need a minimum of 2-3 million dollars of public liabilty insurance. My God, a million bucks wouldn't be near enough if you killed Betty Brown's fluffy dog at a Vet's office, let alone a human in the hospital. It's damn expensive, so everyones costs go through the roof to pay for it.
Re: Re: Your Political Leanings?
By: Mickey to Gamgee on Mon Jun 19 2023 06:51 pm
Teachers in Ontario are making in access of 100,000/Annual
What's wrong with that? IT certainly isn't minimum wage.
Maybe it's different in Canada, but I often hear about teachers in the US making relatively less than people in other careers. I just did a quick search online and found this page:
https://www.niche.com/blog/teacher-salaries-in-america/
there's more of a choice if it's monetized.
None of us have a choice. We all buy into some insurance plan that makes all the decisions for us. We don't shop for insurance based on what doctor they will allow us to visit, we shop for insurance based on what our employer gives us.
The illusion of choice is a powerful marketing tool for political ideas.
you can still refuse your employeers insurance and get it off the obamacare marketplace.
Center-left. Healthcare should not be monetized. But you are free to
I have a problem with the idea that medical services are a magical thing tha is exempt of the right to get paid.
It's going to open a whole bunch of whoop ass among us gentle folk.
that would be stupid. like letting your govt take away your guns.
There an interesting difference between the U.S. and Canada but IT is currently changing. We've decided up here that we should have private healthcare as well as public. Some provinces are slowly implementing it and it's quite popular among people 'with money'.
It's going to open a whole bunch of whoop ass among us gentle folk.
you can still refuse your employeers insurance and get it off the obamacare marketplace.
I think the point I'm trying to make is that people like to tout our "choice" as in we select where we want to receive care. But this is far from the case. Our choice is in the insurance we elect to purchase, and only sort of if you're not rich, or if your company doesn't have some Cadillac plan. Some choice.
I have a problem with the idea that medical services are a magical thing tha is exempt of the right to get paid.
I have a problem with healthcare only being available to people with money.
that would be stupid. like letting your govt take away your guns.
That's already happened here. You can't buy an air rifle in Canada, without a permit. Oh you can get a permit, if you have no speeding tickets, or
Mickey wrote to Gamgee <=-
Nurses are not particularly well-paid.
Similar to teachers and first responders.
Teachers in Ontario are making in access of 100,000/Annual
What's wrong with that? IT certainly isn't minimum wage.
Hustler wrote to Arelor <=-
I have a problem with the idea that medical services are a magical thing tha is exempt of the right to get paid.
I have a problem with healthcare only being available to people
with money.
Mickey wrote to MRO <=-
that would be stupid. like letting your govt take away your guns.
That's already happened here. You can't buy an air rifle in
Canada, without a permit. Oh you can get a permit, if you have no
speeding tickets, or accusations of cruelty to small animals. :-)
Re: Re: Your Political Leanings?
By: Weatherman to anthk on Mon Jun 19 2023 10:48 am
On 2023-06-18, Mickey <INTERSPY!Mickey@vert.synchro.net> wrote:
Perhaps the better solution is to REDUCE the excessive costs of insurance and legal protection that raise cost to the patient. Most doctors are required to carry over one million dollars of liability insurance just to protect themselves if something goes other than planned.
One of the problems, is that society these days being so litigeous. If you're working with the public these days you need a minimum of 2-3 million dollars of public liabilty insurance. My God, a million bucks wouldn't be near enough if you killed Betty Brown's fluffy dog at a Vet's office, let alone a human in the hospital. It's damn expensive, so everyones costs go through the roof to pay for it.
Perhaps the better solution is to REDUCE the excessive costs of insurancen
legal protection that raise cost to the patient. Most doctors are requiredo
carry over one million dollars of liability insurance just to protect themselves if something goes other than planned.
There an interesting difference between the U.S. and Canada but IT isurrently
changing. We've decided up here that we should have private healthcare as well >s public. Some provinces are slowly implementing it and it's quite popularmon
people 'with money'.
Re: Re: Your Political Leanings?
By: Mickey to Gamgee on Mon Jun 19 2023 06:51 pm
Teachers in Ontario are making in access of 100,000/Annual
What's wrong with that? IT certainly isn't minimum wage.
Maybe it's different in Canada, but I often hear about teachers in the US ma
https://www.niche.com/blog/teacher-salaries-in-america/
Nightfox
Re: Re: Your Political Leanin
By: Moondog to Arelor on Mon Jun 19 2023 01:50 pm
At a previous job the HR department was constantly changing health insura carriers. Eventually they went to an HMO plan, where the plan only paid you went to "in system" health providers. If an employee went outside th net work in order to stay with an established practioner, the amount paid would
be way less or non-existant. The "preferred" doctors were an hour to 90 minute's drive away, and overbooked. Schedu ling an appointment meant yo could wait 6 months to a year.
i'm working at this place where they have weird ass insurance.
it's all 'free' but it's reimbursed 100%. so apparently we go in there and s
the main one is united healthcare but we go through 2 other services to proc very confusing.
Re: Re: Your Political Leanin
By: esc to MRO on Mon Jun 19 2023 08:51 pm
there's more of a choice if it's monetized.
None of us have a choice. We all buy into some insurance plan that makes the decisions for us. We don't shop for insurance based on what doctor th will allow us to visit, we shop for insurance based on what our employer gives us.
The illusion of choice is a powerful marketing tool for political ideas.
wouldn't it be nice if you could shop around where it would be cheaper?
but orange man bad!
you can still refuse your employeers insurance and get it off the obamacare marketplace.
Mickey wrote to MRO <=-
That's because Canadian citizens don't have the same rights as USA
citizens, guaranteed to us by the US Constitution. No "permit"
required.
Re: Re: Your Political Leanin
By: esc to MRO on Mon Jun 19 2023 11:22 pm
you can still refuse your employeers insurance and get it off the obamacare marketplace.
I think the point I'm trying to make is that people like to tout our "choice" as in we select where we want to receive care. But this is far f the case. Our choice is in the insurance we elect to purchase, and only s of if you're not rich, or if your company doesn't have some Cadillac plan Some choice.
i'm old so i'll tell you how the world is as i see it.
insurance is bullshit. you are getting fucked in the ass no matter what. it's more important to stay healthy so you do not get to the point where you
You are better off doing what morgan spurlock did where he went to bangkok a
When you are young, put the money you would have put into insurance into you
When you need serious medical care, take out a 401k loan or make a hardship
otherwise you are going to be like me. i paid into insurance my entire life but barely used it. all my money went to treatment for people who DON'T tak
done. it wasn't worth it.
I worked with a guy diagnosed with brain cancer when he was 28. There was no way he could've saved enough money for treatment. He just left the Navy two years before.
Mickey wrote to Gamgee <=-
That's because Canadian citizens don't have the same rights as USA
citizens, guaranteed to us by the US Constitution. No "permit"
required.
We have a constitution as well (no guns icluded though) but they
change it all the time, and remove or add whatever they want
depending on the issues of the day. They just added the right to
BE whatever you feel like. I for example, often feel like a
mushroom (and you know why)
You can shop around, but it's on your own dime. Some company insurance providers will not act as your primary provider if you have a spouse that has another provider.
Sounds like a good plan until something unexpected happens. You can be
as
careful as you want, then the actions of someone else places you into the hospital.
People in the US are better off without. If you don't/can't buy insurance you are insured anyway. If you don't have a drivers licence they can't give you a ticket. There's a lot to be said about having nothing. Can't afford food? No problem, you get free food. If you work then you're resposible for everthing. No free food, no free housing, no free medical. Why do you think people want to live in America?
Again, at least in the USA, nurses, teachers, and first-responders are pretty much universally considered to be under-paid.
... Freedom isn't free.
Understood. It's really quite different then, because our Constitution is very difficult to change, and rarely is. That's a good thing.
We have a constitution as well (no guns icluded though) but they change it all >he time, and remove or add whatever they want depending on the issues of thea
. They just added the right to BE whatever you feel like. I for example, often >eel like a mushroom (and you know why)
There an interesting difference between the U.S. and Canada but IT is urrentlySomeone may have realized that they were losing out on money that was going to healh care plans in the US.
esc wrote to Gamgee <=-
Understood. It's really quite different then, because our Constitution
is very difficult to change, and rarely is. That's a good thing.
I agree! However one thing that's interesting is that when the
framers of our constitution created it, their intent was that the amendment construct would make our constitution evolve over time
pretty easily. I think it's good that things didn't really work
out that way.
Phigan wrote to Gamgee <=-
Again, at least in the USA, nurses, teachers, and first-responders are pretty much universally considered to be under-paid.
Maybe it depends what part of the country you're in? On the West
end of the country, once you are a Registered Nurse (or RN),
you're making at least 100k. Maybe that's "under-paid" these
days.
Hustler wrote to Moondog <=-
I worked with a guy diagnosed with brain cancer when he was 28. There was no way he could've saved enough money for treatment. He just left the Navy two years before.
People in the US are better off without. If you don't/can't buy insurance you are insured anyway. If you don't have a drivers
licence they can't give you a ticket. There's a lot to be said
about having nothing. Can't afford food? No problem, you get free
food. If you work then you're resposible for everthing. No free
food, no free housing, no free medical. Why do you think people
want to live in America?
MRO wrote to Moondog <=-
Sounds like a good plan until something unexpected happens. You can be
as
careful as you want, then the actions of someone else places you into the hospital.
you can just take out from your savings. or just don't pay the
bill. if had i put as much money as i paid into insurance into my
401k, and then did my regular personal and company contribution
AND invested it well i'd have a small fortune.
And like i said, you can fly to bangkok and get the world's best
treatment and doctors for cheap. right now for me, a round trip
flight is 1700.
MRO wrote to Hustler <=-
People in the US are better off without. If you don't/can't buy insurance you are insured anyway. If you don't have a drivers licence they can't give you a ticket. There's a lot to be said about having nothing. Can't afford food? No problem, you get free food. If you work then you're resposible for everthing. No free food, no free housing, no free medical. Why do you think people want to live in America?
i know people who were given a large house when they couldnt
afford it. eventually it went into disrepair and they gave up the
house. he still had a mortage to pay but he got a large
downpayment from assistance.
meanwhile the only way i am getting a house is if a relative
dies.
Center-left. Healthcare should not be monetized. But you are free to produce profit on anything else, such as iPhones, video game consoles...
They get paid. It's called taxes. The goverment pays a big chunk for them monthly.
https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/ontario-teacher-salary-SRCH_IL.0,7_IS40 80_KO 8,15.htm
says the median is more like $75K, which is still not too bad.
Also my original comment above was probably meant more in the context
of, at least in the USA, teachers have been historically under-paid when you consider the dedication/effort needed versus the compensation provided.
Understood. It's really quite different then, because our Constitution
is very difficult to change, and rarely is. That's a good thing.
You can shop around, but it's on your own dime. Some company
insurance providers will not act as your primary provider if you have
a spouse that has another provider.
well if you are on their insurance they will complain.
you can just take out from your savings. or just don't pay the bill.
if had i put as much money as i paid into insurance into my 401k, and then did my regular personal and company contribution AND invested it well i'd have a small fortune.
Re: Re: Your Political Leanin
By: Moondog to MRO on Tue Jun 20 2023 08:27 pm
Sounds like a good plan until something unexpected happens. You can be
as
careful as you want, then the actions of someone else places you into the hospital.
you can just take out from your savings. or just don't pay the bill.
if had i put as much money as i paid into insurance into my 401k, and then d
And like i said, you can fly to bangkok and get the world's best treatment a
They get paid. It's called taxes. The goverment pays a big chunk for them moTherefore workers make a profit. Therefore it is a for-profit operation for a number of people.
I admittedly have no idea what life is like for smaller orgs, and (no snark > more about your experience.
From my little knowledge small clinics are best for routine/general care. H > getting their basic care met at the most local/least complicated level poss > there's anything that warrants it. Unfortunately it's near impossible to fi > in my city, so it's off to the hospital megacorp I go.
As for socialized vs private -- you're in Spain, right? I also know absolut > would definitely have a better take there.
At a previous job the HR department was constantly changing health insurance > carriers. Eventually they went to an HMO plan, where the plan only paid if
you went to "in system" health providers. If an employee went outside the n > work in order to stay with an established practioner, the amount paid would
be way less or non-existant. The "preferred" doctors were an hour to 90 minute's drive away, and overbooked. Schedu ling an appointment meant you could wait 6 months to a year.
They get paid in countries with socialized medicare. Most socialized
countries have a national health service and for-profit care for people
who can/want to subscribe to them, but people who can't afford for-pay
care still get taken care of...
None of us have a choice. We all buy into some insurance plan that makes allFun fact, receptionist at $job gets asked a lot questions like:
insurance is bullshit. you are getting fucked in the ass no matter what. it's more important to stay healthy so you do not get to the point where you >
Tracker1 wrote to Gamgee <=-
Understood. It's really quite different then, because our Constitution
is very difficult to change, and rarely is. That's a good thing.
It's really not *THAT* difficult, it's just people are so divided
at this point, and usually on issues that are less important. In
that those issues that could gain popular support just don't.
Also, extension patents on medications, if allowed should be limited to maybe5 years.
you can just take out from your savings. or just don't pay the bill.
if had i put as much money as i paid into insurance into my 401k, and then did my regular personal and company contribution AND invested it well i'd have a small fortune.
Depending on the state you're in, they can put a judgement against you and have it deducted from your paycheck, *AND* add it late payment penalties as well as relatively high (think credit card level) interest. This can even happen after your debt was sold by the original carrier.
Re: Re: Your Political Leanin
By: esc to MRO on Mon Jun 19 2023 08:51 pm
None of us have a choice. We all buy into some insurance plan that makes allFun fact, receptionist at $job gets asked a lot questions like:
"Do you know if $doctor works with $insurance? I am looking for an insurance plan but I only want one who works with my regular doctors."
Statistically speaking, you are more likely to come out ahead if you save the money instead of placing it in insurance policies, I agree. The insurance game is all about calculating that yourr risk is ten and billing you fifteen.
But then insurances have some added value. ie. if there is a power surge that fries your home s electrical wiring, chances are a good insurance company will send you a competent experienced electrician, whereas if you had to find one you could end up with a cokehead doing your wiring and you would only learn your mistake when it all fried again.
Again, at least in the USA, nurses, teachers, and first-responders are pretty much universally considered to be under-paid.
Maybe it depends what part of the country you're in? On the West
end of the country, once you are a Registered Nurse (or RN),
you're making at least 100k. Maybe that's "under-paid" these
days.
People in the US are better off without. If you don't/can't buy insurance
you are insured anyway. If you don't have a drivers licence they can't
give you a ticket. There's a lot to be said about having nothing. Can't
afford food? No problem, you get free food. If you work then you're
resposible for everthing. No free food, no free housing, no free medical.
Why do you think people want to live in America?
I like to think it's because of the freedom, not the free shit.
Underpaid? An RN in New York is worth min 80,000 to 120,000. A NYC EMT
get
100,000 as do Teachers. I agree nobodys getting rich but under-paid? I'd call it earning an honest living.
People in the US are better off without. If you don't/can't buy insurance you are insured anyway. If you don't have a drivers
licence they can't give you a ticket. There's a lot to be said
about having nothing. Can't afford food? No problem, you get free
food. If you work then you're resposible for everthing. No free
food, no free housing, no free medical. Why do you think people
want to live in America?
I like to think it's because of the freedom, not the free shit.
Insurance companies should not own portions of providers or pharma and
should be required to act as a fiduciary on behalf of their clients.
vaccine. Would also roll back advertising rules to early 70's standards.
There's even more free stuff in other countries. There are other countriesh
have socialized healthcare, 'free' college education, and I've heard somels
have a 'basic income', where people get some amount of money per month fromh
government so they at least have some income even if they're out of work. Of urse, that's all funded by taxes, so taxes tend to be higher in thoseountrie
Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-
People in the US are better off without. If you don't/can't buy insurance
you are insured anyway. If you don't have a drivers licence they can't
give you a ticket. There's a lot to be said about having nothing. Can't
afford food? No problem, you get free food. If you work then you're
resposible for everthing. No free food, no free housing, no free medical.
Why do you think people want to live in America?
I like to think it's because of the freedom, not the free shit.
There's even more free stuff in other countries. There are other countries that have socialized healthcare, 'free' college
education, and I've heard some also have a 'basic income', where
people get some amount of money per month from the government so
they at least have some income even if they're out of work. Of
course, that's all funded by taxes, so taxes tend to be higher in
those countries..
Although the US has some amount of that, I had the impression
that the US had some of the lowest amount of 'free' stuff..
Welfare & financial assistance etc. are supposed to be used for
people who are really in need, though I know some people take
advantage of it.
Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-
People in the US are better off without. If you don't/can't buy insurance you are insured anyway. If you don't have a drivers
licence they can't give you a ticket. There's a lot to be said
about having nothing. Can't afford food? No problem, you get free
food. If you work then you're resposible for everthing. No free
food, no free housing, no free medical. Why do you think people
want to live in America?
I like to think it's because of the freedom, not the free shit.
I am sure that is true for many of us, but the louder ones among
us seem to prefer the latter (although they get angry when you
point that out to them!).
well if you get insurance from your workplace they either have it in paper oYeah, but a number of people finds it easier to just ask than to look it up. Specially because a number of insurance companies don't give you very up to date information.
over here they would just have an inspector come by and look. and he would b >Yeah, you need a certified pro unless you want to void your "warranties".
for electrical work you need permits and a certified professional to do most
Those countries also likely regulate who can get the free stuff more, and also have tighter border protection. So, if you are looking for free stuff in a country that will let you in, you have to settle for the USA.
My answer was that they desire the *FREEDOM* that America offers... ;-)
esc wrote to Gamgee <=-
My answer was that they desire the *FREEDOM* that America offers... ;-)
Also, no other country has successfully made American style
barbecue. If you want good pork ribs you gotta come to the USA.
Re: Re: Your Political Leanin
By: MRO to Arelor on Thu Jun 22 2023 08:49 am
well if you get insurance from your workplace they either have it in paper oYeah, but a number of people finds it easier to just ask than to look it up. Specially because a number of insurance companies don't give you very up to date information.
Re: Re: Your Political Leanin
By: MRO to Arelor on Thu Jun 22 2023 08:51 am
over here they would just have an inspector come by and look. and he would b
for electrical work you need permits and a certified professional to do mostYeah, you need a certified pro unless you want to void your "warranties".
Insurance companies here have their own certified personal and in some cases you can hire the insurance company at a discount for fixing stuff that is not covered.
Insurance companies should not own portions of providers or pharma and should be required to act as a fiduciary on behalf of their clients.
+1 -- this is a big issue.
vaccine. Would also roll back advertising rules to early 70's standards.
Again, +1. Just about every commerical break on TV now has at least 2
drug ads in them. They are making a lot of money to afford all the ads.
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Re: Re: Your Political Leanin
By: MRO to Arelor on Thu Jun 22 2023 08:51 am
over here they would just have an inspector come by and look. and he woul for electrical work you need permits and a certified professional to do mYeah, you need a certified pro unless you want to void your "warranties".
Insurance companies here have their own certified personal and in some cases you can hire the insurance company at a discount for fixing stuff that is no covered.
If my well pumps go dead and I am working away from home and my regular electrician is unreachable, I can phone the insurance company and have them send somebody to fix it knowing that I am not forcing my mother to deal with random weirdo.
And if your horses decide to befriend the neighbor's donkey and tear down th neighbor's fences in order to reach him, a number of insurance companies wil send a crew to repair the fence instead of assesing the value of the fence a paying a compensation to the customer whose fence was destroyed by insured horses - and yes I have experience with this one.
I don't think most insurance policies are "mathematically" sensible - they b multiplied by the chance you will have to fill such claim. Some insurance companies bank on massive economies of scale, and then this intriduces a gam change - something that would cost you 10 to fix may cost the insurance comp real reason why most people buys insurance is because they want to play reve to fix with money, they exchange the insurance ticket for a solution. It is likely a mathematically bad solution (because the value of the insurance pol
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Re: Re: Your Political Leanin
By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Thu Jun 22 2023 03:22 pm
Those countries also likely regulate who can get the free stuff more, and also have tighter border protection. So, if you are looking for free stu in a country that will let you in, you have to settle for the USA.
Or you can be Spain and fund the free stuff with endless debt. Or try and ge the EU to cover your expenses. EU had to release a non-small fund to rescue
I get the impresion that countries with "free stuff" which have it be sustainable are the ones who have some national industry which is rich, powerful anc capable of pulling its own weight and then use its surplus mone to fund the "free stuf". A bit like my village (which has a small timber industry whose benefits are used to fix the roads) but on big scale. ie. I think in Norway the retirement funds are covered by the fossil fuel industry
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Several years ago a large tree branch fell on my car's roof, causing damage. It was during an icy rain storm, and the ice buildup broke the branch loose. When I reported it to the insurance company, they suggested a body shop. I learned it was their choice not because of their quality of work, but due to their lower prices.
The tax rate is probably much higher too. "Free" comes out of everyone
's pockets
Or you can be Spain and fund the free stuff with endless debt.
I get the impresion that countries with "free stuff" which have it be sustainable are the ones who have some national industry which is rich, powerful anc capable of pulling its own weight and then use its surplus money to fund the "free stuf". A bit like my village (which has a small timber industry whose benefits are used to fix the roads) but on big scale. ie. I think in Norway the retirement funds are covered by the fossil fuel industry.
Again, +1. Just about every commerical break on TV now has at least 2 drug ads in them. They are making a lot of money to afford all the ads.
Drug research and testing is expensive. The cost is not only recovered in the price of drugs, but also the cost of further research is offset through the price of existing products.
it is. and spidy told me that a lot of people are on 'pensions' from theovt.
but they make them go to parks and clean up garbage so atleast there's that.
Or you can be Spain and fund the free stuff with endless debt.
I suspect that is where a lot of the US debt comes from, although it is certainly not the only source.
I get the impresion that countries with "free stuff" which have it be sustainable are the ones who have some national industry which is rich, powerful anc capable of pulling its own weight and then use its surplus mo to fund the "free stuf". A bit like my village (which has a small timber industry whose benefits are used to fix the roads) but on big scale. ie. I think in Norway the retirement funds are covered by the fossil fuel indust
I wonder how Norway will fund it once everything goes electric?
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Again, +1. Just about every commerical break on TV now has at least 2 drug ads in them. They are making a lot of money to afford all the ads
Drug research and testing is expensive. The cost is not only recovered in price of drugs, but also the cost of further research is offset through th price of existing products.
Advertising is also expensive, so you would think they would cut costs somewhere. R&D has always been expensive, but they used to be able to sell their product by having a good-enough product that doctor's would prescribe and suggest them.
They need to get us back to that.
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it is. and spidy told me that a lot of people are on 'pensions' from theovt.
but they make them go to parks and clean up garbage so atleast there's tha
During the Depression, our country came up with a lot of similar programs to put people to work. They need to bring some of those programs back.
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Again, +1. Just about every commerical break on TV now has at least 2 drug ads in them. They are making a lot of money to afford all the ads.
Drug research and testing is expensive. The cost is not only recovered in the price of drugs, but also the cost of further research is offset through the price of existing products.
Advertising is also expensive, so you would think they would cut costs somewhere. R&D has always been expensive, but they used to be able to sell their product by having a good-enough product that doctor's would prescribe and suggest them.
They need to get us back to that.
it is. and spidy told me that a lot of people are on 'pensions' from theovt.
but they make them go to parks and clean up garbage so atleast there's that.
During the Depression, our country came up with a lot of similar programs to put people to work. They need to bring some of those programs back.
Or you can be Spain and fund the free stuff with endless debt.
I suspect that is where a lot of the US debt comes from, although it is certainly not the only source.
I get the impresion that countries with "free stuff" which have it be sustainable are the ones who have some national industry which is rich, powerful anc capable of pulling its own weight and then use its surplus mo to fund the "free stuf". A bit like my village (which has a small timber industry whose benefits are used to fix the roads) but on big scale. ie. I think in Norway the retirement funds are covered by the fossil fuel indust
I wonder how Norway will fund it once everything goes electric?
Also, no other country has successfully made American style barbecue. If you want good pork ribs you gotta come to the USA.
Dumas Walker wrote to MRO <=-
During the Depression, our country came up with a lot of similar
programs to put people to work. They need to bring some of those
programs back.
Dumas Walker wrote to MRO <=-
During the Depression, our country came up with a lot of similar programs to put people to work. They need to bring some of those programs back.
Ahhh, yes. The programs that actually lengthened the the Depression.
Re: Re: Your Political Leanin
By: Moondog to Dumas Walker on Sat Jun 24 2023 08:59 am
Or you can be Spain and fund the free stuff with endless debt.
I suspect that is where a lot of the US debt comes from, although it i certainly not the only source.
I get the impresion that countries with "free stuff" which have it b sustainable are the ones who have some national industry which is ri powerful anc capable of pulling its own weight and then use its surp mo to fund the "free stuf". A bit like my village (which has a small timber industry whose benefits are used to fix the roads) but on big scale. ie. I think in Norway the retirement funds are covered by the fossil fuel indust
I wonder how Norway will fund it once everything goes electric?
they make a ton taxing gas. they also have a 20% flat tax on income so mayb
they make a ton taxing gas. they also have a 20% flat tax on income so mayb
That's why i said tax them by mileage. If you can't tax the fuel, tax the roa d. The people who use more fuel tend to be the folks piling on miles, so the folk with better fuel mileage will no longer experience the savings from vehic le sipping cars.
What if you want the best lamb? :)
What if you want the best lamb? :)
Hmm, Greece? Turkey? Dunno :P what's your suggestion?
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
Ahhh, yes. The programs that actually lengthened the the Depression.
well after looking it up i see
"The unemployment rate in 1935 was at a staggering 20 percent. The WPA was designed to provide relief for the unemployed by providing jobs and income for millions of Americans. At its height in late 1938, more than 3.3 million Americans worked for the WPA.
The WPA-which in 1939 was renamed the Work Projects Administration-employed mostly unskilled men to carry out public works infrastructure projects.
whats so bad about that?
Ahhh, yes. The programs that actually lengthened the the Depression.
well after looking it up i see
Since, you didn't quote a source, I'll assume that it's the usual propaganda
My grandparents mentioned it because they lived through it. The sidewalks around their house had "WPA" stamped on it, so I got a first hand education in what WPA was.
It was the gov't using our tax dollars poorly - as usual. WPA built a great
deal of useless infrastructure and, in many cases, built it shoddily. In other words, it was a waste of money that made someone feel good.
Because there was no demand for any of it.
ellAdvertising is also expensive, so you would think they would cut costs somewhere. R&D has always been expensive, but they used to be able to
rescribetheir product by having a good-enough product that doctor's would
and suggest them.
They need to get us back to that.
bribing politicians seems to be the most expensive.
eventually i got a low paying job and i was working with these people. theye
horrible. i spent all my time fixing all the electronics they broke.u
why hire 2 people that can't do anything and then hire another to fix their
ups? i guess the money was good.
oAlso, no other country has successfully made American style barbecue. If
want good pork ribs you gotta come to the USA.
What if you want the best lamb? :)
The WPA-which in 1939 was renamed the Work Projects Administration-employedos
ly unskilled men to carry out public works infrastructure projects. They built >ore than 4,000 new school buildings, erected 130 new hospitals, laid roughly,
00 miles of storm drains and sewer lines, built 29,000 new bridges,onstructed
150 new airfields, paved or repaired 280,000 miles of roads and planted 24ill
on trees to alleviate loss of topsoil during the Dust Bowl."
whats so bad about that?
My grandma never mentioned the depression. our family were hardworking people d planted gardens, picked up cow manure in fields and my great grandfather worked in a mine. my grandmother was born in 1924
What if you want the best lamb? :)
Hmm, Greece? Turkey? Dunno :P what's your suggestion?
Re: Re: Your Political Leanin
By: Dr. What to MRO on Mon Jun 26 2023 07:26 am
Ahhh, yes. The programs that actually lengthened the the Depression.
well after looking it up i see
Since, you didn't quote a source, I'll assume that it's the usual propaga
sorry i'm not an anal debate fag, so i dont post sources much.
i just google shit.
it wasnt from some propaganda site.
just look up the words and you will find it.
My grandparents mentioned it because they lived through it. The sidewalk around their house had "WPA" stamped on it, so I got a first hand educati in what WPA was.
so the sidewalks got fixed! AH HAH!
i grew up in an old neighborhood. never saw any wpa stamps anywhere.
It was the gov't using our tax dollars poorly - as usual. WPA built a gr
we needed the infrastrure.
deal of useless infrastructure and, in many cases, built it shoddily. In other words, it was a waste of money that made someone feel good.
it was shoddy? no different than now then, right?
Because there was no demand for any of it.
so people got jobs when they didnt have it and got paid.
whats bad about that.
MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-
sorry i'm not an anal debate fag, so i dont post sources much.
i just google shit.
it wasnt from some propaganda site.
so the sidewalks got fixed! AH HAH!
we needed the infrastrure.
so people got jobs when they didnt have it and got paid.
whats bad about that.
Most of the programs I am thinking of (really all of them) didn't usually involve skilled labor like electronics work. I would expect that to be a
My grandma never mentioned the depression. our family were hardworking people d planted gardens, picked up cow manure in fields and my great grandfather worked in a mine. my grandmother was born in 1924
My father's mother was born around 1905. She mentioned it a lot. Although my father was born after it, I think he heard about it a lot from them (his father was born in 1898).
so people got jobs when they didnt have it and got paid.
whats bad about that.
The busy work was no knowledge needed grunt work. The imperative was to get people working, instead of being quality related work.
sorry i'm not an anal debate fag, so i dont post sources much.
i just google shit.
Then contridict yourself:
it wasnt from some propaganda site.
so the sidewalks got fixed! AH HAH!
No. The sidewalks got BUILT through a section that had NO HOUSES and there was no plan to put houses there for at least a few decades. Oh, and the sidewalks were shoddily made. Only a few of the original concrete blockssure they were. sure they were.
we needed the infrastrure.
No. We didn't. That was appearant to anyone who actually checked things out instead of just listening to the propaganda.
People would have gotten other jobs. But, once again, the gov't interfered and caused the jobs that would have gotten created to not be created.
All you'll get from Greece or Turkey is greasy turkey.
My father's mother was born around 1905. She mentioned it a lot. Although >> my father was born after it, I think he heard about it a lot from them (his >> father was born in 1898).
my mom's side of the family came from hungary and they were tough people.
the depression was probably just a bump in the road to them.
Depending on the state you're in, they can put a judgement against you
and have it deducted from your paycheck, *AND* add it late payment
penalties as well as relatively high (think credit card level)
interest. This can even happen after your debt was sold by the
original carrier.
if the person is in such a sad state where they cant afford anything, they'll just write it off eventually.
vaccine. Would also roll back advertising rules to early 70's
standards.
Again, +1. Just about every commerical break on TV now has at least 2
drug ads in them. They are making a lot of money to afford all the ads.
Advertising costs a fraction of R&D. When it comes time to advertise, the product is complete and tested. It's a sure thing as opposed to whipping together a formula or separating a chemical compound, then running it through chemical and animal testing before being allowed to test it on humans.
What if you want the best lamb? :)
Re: Re: Your Political Leanin
By: Moondog to esc on Mon Jun 26 2023 10:35 pm
All you'll get from Greece or Turkey is greasy turkey.
Do they even HAVE turkeys in Turkey? I call false advertising.
Greasy turkey might be better than dry turkey, though, no?
My father's mother was born around 1905. She mentioned it a lot. Althoug >> my father was born after it, I think he heard about it a lot from them (h >> father was born in 1898).
my mom's side of the family came from hungary and they were tough people. the depression was probably just a bump in the road to them.
I would imagine that it would have affected persons who'd not been here as long, and were from tougher areas like Eastern Europe, differently than people who'd been here long enough to take for granted that everything
would always be plentiful.
Although my grandparents lived through it, they were also rural and mostly poor to being with. I think the people it really affected were in the cities and likely had money to start.
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Re: Re: Your Political Leanin
By: Moondog to Dumas Walker on Sat Jun 24 2023 19:20:00
Advertising costs a fraction of R&D. When it comes time to advertise, t product is complete and tested. It's a sure thing as opposed to whippin together a formula or separating a chemical compound, then running it through chemical and animal testing before being allowed to test it on humans.
You have that backwards... Advertising is the single biggest expense for pha the US.
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programs to put people to work. They need to bring some of those
programs back.
Ahhh, yes. The programs that actually lengthened the the Depression.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dr. What <=-
Ahhh, yes. The programs that actually lengthened the the Depression.
There's a lot more to it than that, but OK.
Coyo Stormcaller wrote to Dumas Walker <=-
Thinking of Alaska and Oil income, they have a fund that generations income, which they use to py for public works, there's no state income tax, and they even pay citizens to live there. I like that.
Thinking of Alaska and Oil income, they have a fund that generations income, which they use to py for public works, there's no state income tax, and they even pay citizens to live there. I like that.
Yeah, but the cost of living for everyday items is incredibly high.I am starting to think that is what is gonna happen in most of the West short term.
Re: Re: Your Political Leanin
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Coyo Stormcaller on Tue Oct 10 2023 05:32 am
Yeah, but the cost of living for everyday items is incredibly high.I am starting to think that is what is gonna happen in most of the West short term.
Lots of people buying from me today have had issues because they didn't have money in the accounts linked to their electronic payment methods.
ie. "Sucks, I cannot send you a Bizum right now because I don't have any money in my bank account".
Hustler wrote to Coyo Stormcaller <=-
Thinking of Alaska and Oil income, they have a fund that generations income, which they use to py for public works, there's no state income tax, and they even pay citizens to live there. I like that.
So when do we leave? Can we get a car pool going? Or rent a bus? ;-)
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