Has anybody seen they new dune yet? I thought it was brilliant and that the VFX were honestly groundbreaking, but I'm interested to hear your thoughts on it.
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i'm a big dune fan and i have a dune tattoo, actually.
didnt like the movie. i tried to watch it 3 times.
Has anybody seen they new dune yet? I thought it was brilliant and that the VFX were honestly groundbreaking, but I'm interested to hear your thoughts on it.
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i'm a big dune fan and i have a dune tattoo, actually.
didnt like the movie. i tried to watch it 3 times.
I'm still scarred from the original Dune movie (with Sting).
... You have two choices for dinner: Take it or Leave it.
But hey, it gave birth to endless spin-off products, such as the Dune and Dune II videogames.
MRO wrote to Ticbow <=-
i'm a big dune fan and i have a dune tattoo, actually.
didnt like the movie. i tried to watch it 3 times.
I'm still scarred from the original Dune movie (with Sting).
But hey, it gave birth to endless spin-off products, such as the Dune and Dune II videogames.
I don'd think Lynch's film was that bad. It tried to cram so much plot within a single movie in a day and age in which it was less acceptable to produce long movie sagas. IN fact, I am surprised they didn't remake Dune as a 5 or 6 movie series :-P
Re: Re: Dune 2021
By: Arelor to Dr. What on Wed Dec 01 2021 01:29 pm
But hey, it gave birth to endless spin-off products, such as the Dune a Dune II videogames.
In 1992 or 1993, I downloaded Dune 2 from a local BBS. I realized it seemed be the full version, and perhaps the BBS shouldn't have been offering the fu verison for download.. But it was a fun game. And later, the Command & Conquer games seemed to take inspiration from Dune 2.
Nightfox
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I don'd think Lynch's film was that bad. It tried to cram so much plot within a single movie in a day and age in which it was less acceptable
to produce long movie sagas. IN fact, I am surprised they didn't remake Dune as a 5 or 6 movie series :-P
Command and Conquer was made by the same people who made Dune 2. To all intents and purposes, Command and Conquer is the actual sucessor of Dune 2.
I loved the Harkonen ending in which you walk into the Emperor's palace and shoot him in the face :-)
i'm a big dune fan and i have a dune tattoo, actually.
didnt like the movie. i tried to watch it 3 times.
I'm still scarred from the original Dune movie (with Sting).
But hey, it gave birth to endless spin-off products, such as the Dune and Dune II videogames.
But hey, it gave birth to endless spin-off products, such as the Dune and Dune II videogames.
In 1992 or 1993, I downloaded Dune 2 from a local BBS. I realized it seemed to be the full version, and perhaps the BBS shouldn't have been offering the full verison for download.. But it was a fun game. And later, the Command & Conquer games seemed to take inspiration from Dune 2.
i'm a big dune fan and i have a dune tattoo, actually.
didnt like the movie. i tried to watch it 3 times.
i'm a big dune fan and i have a dune tattoo, actually.
didnt like the movie. i tried to watch it 3 times.
I'm still scarred from the original Dune movie (with Sting).
The original Dune was horrible, especially the six hour director's cut. The new one is pretty good.
Re: Dune 2021
By: MRO to Ticbow on Wed Dec 01 2021 05:59:43
i'm a big dune fan and i have a dune tattoo, actually.
didnt like the movie. i tried to watch it 3 times.
That's fair enough, do you mind sharing what you didn't like about it?
I loved the Harkonen ending in which you walk into the Emperor's palace and shoot him in the face :-)
I never did play Dune 2 through to the end.
Nightfox
Re: Re: Dune 2021
By: Dr. What to MRO on Wed Dec 01 2021 08:30 am
i'm a big dune fan and i have a dune tattoo, actually.
didnt like the movie. i tried to watch it 3 times.
I'm still scarred from the original Dune movie (with Sting).
The original Dune was horrible, especially the six hour director's cut. The new one is pretty good.
---TLM
Re: Re: Dune 2021
By: Arelor to Dr. What on Wed Dec 01 2021 01:29 pm
But hey, it gave birth to endless spin-off products, such as the Dune and Dune II videogames.
https://www.openra.net/
---TLM
The original Dune was horrible, especially the six hour director's cut. The new one is pretty good.
did you see the six hour director's cut?
because it doesn't exist. the director didn't want anything to do with it.
"Contrary to popular rumors, no 6-hours long director's cut, ever existed. The only "director's cut" of the film was the one shown theatrically; Lynch never had a hand in any other version of Dune."
That's fair enough, do you mind sharing what you didn't like about it?
i didn't like the acting, the changes they made to the story and the pace.
I also liked the Harkonen ultimate weapon: The Nuclear Weapon of Ultimate Destruction that Obliterates the Good Guys Left and RIght! (also known as The Hand of Death).
I am aware of Openra. There are also FOSS engines for playing Dune 2. However, they are not preservation projects but an attempt to build a multiplayer experience on those old games.
Which is a legit thing to do, but not of much interest for me.
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"Horrible" is too strong a word, in my opinion. I personally reserve "Horrible" for those movies that were so bad that they kicked them out
of hell. Among those, I count Night Train to Venice, The Beast of Yucca Flats and Blueberry.
Lynch Dune was just an attempt that fell short, in comparison.
I never did play Dune 2 through to the end.
How much did you actually play?
Re: Re: Dune 2021
By: Arelor to The Lizard Master on Fri Dec 03 2021 03:37 am
I am aware of Openra. There are also FOSS engines for playing Dune 2. However, they are not preservation projects but an attempt to build a multiplayer experience on those old games.
Which is a legit thing to do, but not of much interest for me.
Dune 2000 was a Westwood game, it is actually a pretty close representation the original. Although, besides the random crashes that would happen, I do still overall prefer the original.
---TLM
Lynch Dune was just an attempt that fell short, in comparison.
It fell short because there was no way to do the story in a 2 hour movie.
I remember reading about the movie being made and it should have been 6 hours long - and even then, it wouldn't get most of the story.
I agree with your "falling short" assessment. You can't tell a 12 hour story in 2 hours. It just won't work.
I hope at least the controls were better. The original version¨ main
issue was having to select and command the units one by one. A lot like the original Warcraft.
Heck, in Original Warcraft, archers were so powerful because you didn't have to micromanage them into attacking things and that freed so much brainpower :-)
I have heard the 2000 version had some balance changes but I never looked to deep into that.
I hope at least the controls were better. The original version main issue was having to select and command the units one by one. A lot like the original Warcraft.
Re: Re: Dune 2021
By: Arelor to The Lizard Master on Fri Dec 03 2021 01:07 pm
I hope at least the controls were better. The original version¨ main issue was having to select and command the units one by one. A lot like the
original Warcraft.
Heck, in Original Warcraft, archers were so powerful because you didn't have t
micromanage them into attacking things and that freed so much brainpower :-)
I played Warcraft & Warcraft 2 more than the Dune and Command & Conquer games. Hav
to control each character one by one was a bit frustrating. In Warcraft 2, I don't
remember if you could select multiple characters and have them all attack, but I
remember when I wanted a bunch of them to walk across the map, I'd have to select e
one by one and have them follow the next one, and then have the first one go where
wanted them to go.
Nightfox
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"Horrible" is too strong a word, in my opinion. I personally reserve "Horrible" for those movies that were so bad that they kicked them out
of hell. Among those, I count Night Train to Venice, The Beast of Yucca Flats and Blueberry.
Lynch Dune was just an attempt that fell short, in comparison.
It fell short because there was no way to do the story in a 2 hour
movie.
I remember reading about the movie being made and it should have been 6 hours long - and even then, it wouldn't get most of the story.
I agree with your "falling short" assessment. You can't tell a 12 hour story in 2 hours. It just won't work.
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Re: Re: Dune 2021
By: Nightfox to Arelor on
Thu Dec 02 2021 09:08 am
I loved the Harkonen ending in which you walk into the Emperor's palace and shoot him in the face :-)
I never did play Dune 2 through to the end.
Nightfox
How much did you actually play?
I think things got interesting when you got access to starports. You
could order units in bulk as they became available. This means you
could order 4 air units all of a sudden in a crucial moment, or rocket launchers, or some other strategic unit. It was very intense for such
an old game.
I also liked the Harkonen ultimate weapon: The Nuclear Weapon of
Ultimate Destruction that Obliterates the Good Guys Left and RIght!
(also known as The Hand of Death).
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I loved the Harkonen ending in which you walk into the Emperor's pal and shoot him in the face :-)
The soundtrack to that game was awesome. Multiplayer functionality would ha been fantastic. I remember discussing how sorely this game needed multiplay like Warcraft back in the mid 90's. I also think dune 2 had more strategy t it than later real time strategy games. Just swarming the base with enemies wouldn't work, you had to use each units in a specific way to win. In later games, you could just flood the base and win by sheer numbers alone.
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Re: Re: Dune 2021
By: Boraxman to Arelor on
Fri Dec 24 2021 10:10 pm
I loved the Harkonen ending in which you walk into the Emperor's pal and shoot him in the face :-)
The soundtrack to that game was awesome. Multiplayer functionality would ha been fantastic. I remember discussing how sorely this game needed multiplay like Warcraft back in the mid 90's. I also think dune 2 had more strategy t it than later real time strategy games. Just swarming the base with enemies wouldn't work, you had to use each units in a specific way to win. In later games, you could just flood the base and win by sheer numbers alone.
There are modern FOSS engines which use the original assets of the
game, and I think some support multiplayer.
The problem with so many RTS titles is that they turn into matches
about who can click faster when they become human vs human. Even
Command and Conquer pretty much turned into pumping up light/middle
tanks, and the one who rushed with them the quikests won :)
When I want to exercise my thinking, I prefer turn based strategy
games. When I want to exercise my reflexes, I prefer shooters or platformers. RTS fall in a weird spot where they have a bit of thinking (you have to build your rush engine, so you end up learning some
opening "moves") and then a lot of clicking and micromanaging.
What I like from RTS is the single player campaigns, because they feel like puzzles to be solved. Most early RTS gave you a lame base and
pitted you against an enemy with heavy defenses, and the challenge was
to find out a way to crack those defenses.
Dune 2 was really the last RTS I got into. I did play Warcraft a little, an Dune 2000 and Red Alert, but I think apart from Warcraft, I didn't finish th others. Rise of Nations I have too, and that is OK, but I only play skirmis time to time. I think this was for the reason you mentioned that the games quickly turned into who could scramble the fastest, rather than strategy. I was always on the lookout for a RTS type game, which was on a larger scale b was more on grand military strategy than swarming, but never found one.
Should probably look into a good turn based game.
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Re: Re: Dune 2021
By: Boraxman to Arelor on
Sun Dec 26 2021 09:22 pm
Dune 2 was really the last RTS I got into. I did play Warcraft a little, an Dune 2000 and Red Alert, but I think apart from Warcraft, I didn't finish th others. Rise of Nations I have too, and that is OK, but I only play skirmis time to time. I think this was for the reason you mentioned that the games quickly turned into who could scramble the fastest, rather than strategy. I was always on the lookout for a RTS type game, which was on a larger scale b was more on grand military strategy than swarming, but never found one.
Should probably look into a good turn based game.
The Warcraft ones were fine, even if the first one had an interface
which left a lot to be desired.
It is funny that Dune 2 is the last one you got into, since it is the first RTS game that is recognizeable as such :-)
Out of boardgames and tabletop wargames I do not know many turn based strategy videogames. I think the only one I d be confident recommending
is Battle for Wesnoth.
The problem with so many RTS titles is that they turn into matches about who can click faster when they become human vs human. Even Command and Conquer pretty much turned into pumping up light/middle tanks, and the one who rushed with them the quikests won :)
Re: Re: Dune 2021
By: Arelor to Boraxman on Sat Dec 25 2021 06:36 am
The problem with so many RTS titles is that they turn into matches about can click faster when they become human vs human. Even Command and Conque pretty much turned into pumping up light/middle tanks, and the one who rushed with them the quikests won :)
Check out uniwar for mobile.
---TLM
I don't do mobile games, but I looked it up and the game may be salvageable :-) It cheats by not being Real Time, though.
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