I've heard a lot from the US media about this "Great Replacement Conspiracy Theory", but I'm unsure what exactly the "Conspiracy" part is.
How is something, which is easily observed, now a "conspiracy theory"? If the argument is that this result isn't due to a conspiracy, then how is it that agreement on this outcome doesn't qualify?
Re: Great Replacement Conspiracy Theory?
By: Boraxman to All on Fri May 20 2022 08:30 pm
How is something, which is easily observed, now a "conspiracy theory"? I the argument is that this result isn't due to a conspiracy, then how is i that agreement on this outcome doesn't qualify?
people literally say white people need to go. white people are evil.
and then they say jews are not white people.
when white people complain about this, it's called a conspiracy theory.
I've heard a lot from the US media about this "Great Replacement Conspiracy Theory", but I'm unsure what exactly the "Conspiracy" part is.
I thought it was common knowledge that the West is becoming more diverse, and people have openly stated, UNOPPOSED, that in the future we'll all be mixed.
But I have seen exactly what you said, many, many, many times over my years. People openly saying white people need to go, that it would be great when white people are gone. Just two weeks ago was the last time. Even Joe Biden himself said that Whites would be a minority in the US, and that is a good thing.
We'll see more violence in the future I think, because it is very hard to tell people something they can *see* is happening, is not actually happening.
Aside from local news and some articles I read online, I haven't paid a whole lot of attention to US media. Your post is the first I've heard about this great replacement conspiracy theory (and I live in the US).
I had always thought this as well. And the US is supposed to be a melting pot. The poem on the Sttaue of Liberty says "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses...."
The odd thing is, I've noticed many people tend to spend time with people of their own ethnic background more often than not. One example is that I see very few interracial couples.
Aside from local news and some articles I read online, I haven't paid
a whole lot of attention to US media. Your post is the first I've
heard about this great replacement conspiracy theory (and I live in
the US).
you have not paid attention to the us media. that's why.
How is something, which is easily observed, now a "conspiracy theory"? If the
argument is that this result isn't due to a conspiracy, then how is it that agreement on this outcome doesn't qualify?
Re: Great Replacement Conspiracy Theory?
By: MRO to Boraxman on Fri May 20 2022 05:25 pm
Re: Great Replacement Conspiracy Theory?
By: Boraxman to All on Fri May 20 2022 08:30 pm
How is something, which is easily observed, now a "conspiracy theory"? the argument is that this result isn't due to a conspiracy, then how i that agreement on this outcome doesn't qualify?
people literally say white people need to go. white people are evil.
and then they say jews are not white people.
when white people complain about this, it's called a conspiracy theory.
It seems that by adding the "Jews" to it, the media is able to take somethin that is happening and turn it into a conspiracy. It's a clever trick.
You can take anything that is actually happening, tack on the end of it "som people believe this is deliberate done by *insert scapegoat group*" and make people think the entire thing is bunk.
But I have seen exactly what you said, many, many, many times over my years. People openly saying white people need to go, that it would be great when wh people are gone. Just two weeks ago was the last time. Even Joe Biden hims said that Whites would be a minority in the US, and that is a good thing.
I've been all through Western Europe. I've been to London, Paris, Brussels, Marseilled, and observation doesn't lie. I was at a carnvial in Brussels an swear my wife and I were almost the only Europeans there.
From my understanding, is people have seen this, noted the immigration polic which have caused it, noted that anyone who suggests this is not a desirable outcast is called a racist, noted that there is considered to be unacceptabl to prevent this change, and concluded there is a replacement going on.
I can't really find fault with this reasoning. I *can* find fault with the idea that it is specifically promoted by a very specific cabal, but really, that is almost immaterial anyway.
We'll see more violence in the future I think, because it is very hard to te people something they can *see* is happening, is not actually happening.
Re: Great Replacement Conspiracy Theory?
By: Nightfox to Boraxman on Sat May 21 2022 10:56 am
Aside from local news and some articles I read online, I haven't paid a whole lot of attention to US media. Your post is the first I've heard ab this great replacement conspiracy theory (and I live in the US).
you have not paid attention to the us media. that's why.
I had always thought this as well. And the US is supposed to be a meltin pot. The poem on the Sttaue of Liberty says "Give me your tired, your poo your huddled masses...."
my family are immigrants. you aren't supposed to TAKE over with your cultur people had to change their last names and adopt different ways. that was al
The odd thing is, I've noticed many people tend to spend time with people their own ethnic background more often than not. One example is that I s very few interracial couples.
hispanics do this. they rarely learn english. they drive without drivers li
From my understanding, is people have seen this, noted the immigration policie
which have caused it, noted that anyone who suggests this is not a desirable outcast is called a racist, noted that there is considered to be unacceptable to prevent this change, and concluded there is a replacement going on.
The odd thing is, I've noticed many people tend to spend time with people of t
ir own ethnic background more often than not. One example is that I see very w interracial couples.
the media is doing a great job telling people what to think. when they see som
hing they tell them 'no, you didn't see that'. let politifact tell you how it
out of context.
I cannot be declared guilty of rascism or bigotry that occurred before
I was born. I can agree it wasn't fair. That is all.
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Re: Great Replacement Conspiracy Theory?
By: Boraxman to All on Fri
May 20 2022 08:30 pm
I've heard a lot from the US media about this "Great Replacement Conspiracy Theory", but I'm unsure what exactly the "Conspiracy" part is.
Aside from local news and some articles I read online, I haven't paid a whole lot of attention to US media. Your post is the first I've heard about this great replacement conspiracy theory (and I live in the US).
It's sad to see that this is a thing. :(
I thought it was common knowledge that the West is becoming more diverse, and people have openly stated, UNOPPOSED, that in the future we'll all be mixed.
I had always thought this as well. And the US is supposed to be a
melting pot. The poem on the Sttaue of Liberty says "Give me your
tired, your poor, your huddled masses...."
The odd thing is, I've noticed many people tend to spend time with
people of their own ethnic background more often than not. One example
is that I see very few interracial couples.
This great replacement conspiracy theory is a bit extreme..
Nightfox
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But I have seen exactly what you said, many, many, many times over my years. People openly saying white people need to go, that it would be great when white people are gone. Just two weeks ago was the last time. Even Joe Biden himself said that Whites would be a minority in the US, and that is a good thing.
joe biden said that because that's what his people want him to say. he wouldnt be caught dead around a person of color. his bloodline is lilly white and will stay that way..
We'll see more violence in the future I think, because it is very hard to tell people something they can *see* is happening, is not actually happening.
the media is doing a great job telling people what to think. when they
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How is something, which is easily observed, now a "conspiracy theory"? If
argument is that this result isn't due to a conspiracy, then how is it that agreement on this outcome doesn't qualify?
I think that Arelor hit the nail on the head.
What I will say about it is that there are many here in the US who will claim it is a conspiracy theory in the sense that some believe the government, or others, are doing things to cause it or to help speed it along. They will claim it is a conspiracy theory because they believe that government/organizational/inorganic involvement is false.
Thing is, it is not 100% false. I cannot say for certain that the government is doing so because I do not have any knowledge of that.
But I do know someone who works for a religious charity who, at least before COVID, was indeed involved in actively traveling to Central American countries (that are supposedly super dangerous but, if they
were, I don't honestly think they'd go) to assist/encourage persons
with aspirations of entering the United States to do so by coaching
them on what to say and do to get here, and then waiting at the boarder for persons they've coached to arrive.
The charity is doing so, I believe, in order to help encourage more
people to join their church in the US. As these are mostly Catholic-dominated countries the people are coming from, I am not sure
how that works since that is not the religion of the charity. I assume they are hoping that these people will convert.
The person who is working for the charity may be doing so for religious reasons, but I can also 100% guarantee that this person would not be
doing so if they believed there was any chance at all that the people
who are coming would, if they ever become citizens, be prone to vote
for Republicans as that would 100% go against their own political convictions.
So, there are oganizations that are indeed actively bringing persons
into the country in hopes that they will replace other religions, and there are at least some persons who are working with them in hopes that the persons will replace other political beliefs.
So, although some of what the people who believe replacement theory is
an active thing might believe may be 100% untrue, the theory itself is
not 100% a conspiracy no matter who claims it is.
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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Boraxman to MRO on Sat
May 21 2022 11:16 am
Re: Great Replacement Conspiracy Theory?
By: MRO to Boraxman on Fri May 20 2022 05:25 pm
Re: Great Replacement Conspiracy Theory?
By: Boraxman to All on Fri May 20 2022 08:30 pm
How is something, which is easily observed, now a "conspiracy theory"? the argument is that this result isn't due to a conspiracy, then how i that agreement on this outcome doesn't qualify?
people literally say white people need to go. white people are evil.
and then they say jews are not white people.
when white people complain about this, it's called a conspiracy theory.
It seems that by adding the "Jews" to it, the media is able to take somethin that is happening and turn it into a conspiracy. It's a clever trick.
You can take anything that is actually happening, tack on the end of it "som people believe this is deliberate done by *insert scapegoat group*" and make people think the entire thing is bunk.
But I have seen exactly what you said, many, many, many times over my years. People openly saying white people need to go, that it would be great when wh people are gone. Just two weeks ago was the last time. Even Joe Biden hims said that Whites would be a minority in the US, and that is a good thing.
I've been all through Western Europe. I've been to London, Paris, Brussels, Marseilled, and observation doesn't lie. I was at a carnvial in Brussels an swear my wife and I were almost the only Europeans there.
From my understanding, is people have seen this, noted the immigration polic which have caused it, noted that anyone who suggests this is not a desirable outcast is called a racist, noted that there is considered to be unacceptabl to prevent this change, and concluded there is a replacement going on.
I can't really find fault with this reasoning. I *can* find fault with the idea that it is specifically promoted by a very specific cabal, but really, that is almost immaterial anyway.
We'll see more violence in the future I think, because it is very hard to te people something they can *see* is happening, is not actually happening.
Interesting points. I've been wondering if there is anyone profititing off of social justice and the concepts of white guilt/ white shaming.
My mother's family came over from what is now Poland during the Russian Revolution in 1917. My father's relatives came over from Ireland and
the Ukraine well after slavery was abolished. I cannot see how anyone
can try to guilt me for the actions my families had nothing to do with.
I was born in 1969. I cannot be declared guilty of rascism or bigotry that occurred before I was born. I can agree it wasn't fair. That is all.
Reminds me of hearing every couple of years about folks in Dearborn, MI trying to establish Sharia law within certain neighborhoods. People migrated over here to avoid that stuff, and now th egeneration that didn't grow up
under it thinks it is a good thing. It doesn't bring the law. It does legitimize some levels of state sanctioned violence and criminal behavior. By state I mean the religious state.
the media is doing a great job telling people what to think. when they see som
hing they tell them 'no, you didn't see that'. let politifact tell you how it
out of context.
Like talking about the "mostly peaceful protests" while standing in front
of a property that is on fire, or while standing near a mob that is
trending towards the unruly side.
Interesting points. I've been wondering if there is anyone profititing off of social justice and the concepts of white guilt/ white shaming. My
From my understanding, is people have seen this, noted the immigration policie
which have caused it, noted that anyone who suggests this is not a desirab outcast is called a racist, noted that there is considered to be unaccepta to prevent this change, and concluded there is a replacement going on.
You don't really even have to note that it is an undesirable situation.
Just noting that certain immigration policies have caused/contributed to it, unless you are celebrating it, is often enough to get you labeled.
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Interesting points. I've been wondering if there is anyone profititing off of social justice and the concepts of white guilt/ white shaming. My mother's family came over from what is now Poland during the Russian Revolution in 1917. My father's relatives came over from Ireland and the Ukraine well after slavery was abolished. I cannot see how anyone can try to guilt me for the actions my families had nothing to do with.
I was born in 1969. I cannot be declared guilty of rascism or bigotry that occurred before I was born. I can agree it wasn't fair. That is all.
My grandparents are from Southern Europe, yet increasingly I'm being conside as part of the evil colonisers. Why? Because I'm considered to be European and therefore part of the problem.
I've wondered two what the benefit is, why there is such a push for social justice and white guilt. It does benefit some who stand to earn a lot of mo as Diversity consultants, and to get paid to speak about racism, but that ca by why this idea started.
But why Western nations decided that the melting pot is the model, and to decide this with such certainty, to the point where anyone questioning was n just of a different opinion, but morally wrong, that is strange. It seems o of those beliefs which everyone is adamant about, but just doesn't seem to h a reasoning which justifies the adamant attitude.
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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Moondog to Boraxman on Sat May 21 2022 10:45 pm
Interesting points. I've been wondering if there is anyone profititing o of social justice and the concepts of white guilt/ white shaming. My
You bet.
The Ministry of Equalty in Spain is burning through more money than the Welf one, while the Socialized Welfare system is clearly overloaded beyond its capabilities.
However, the Welfare Ministry produces tanglible results (ie. you see Hospit with Doctors and Nurses working in them). Meanwhile the Equalty Ministry produces a couple of parades per year?
My hipothesis is they are getting a whole load of budgetary money with the excuse of running diversity programs and then just pocketing the money. THer is the profit you are wondering about.
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the woman i live with is arab and when we go to her home town in
illinois it's like going into another dimension. all of a sudden all
the stores, the people in the cars and how everything looks is 100%
arab.
Moondog wrote to Boraxman <=-
John F Kennedy had a saying, "rising tides raise all yachts." This concept is about anything that benefits one group can benefit others. Unfortunately it seems like human nature in order to help one group,
you must oppress or hold back another.
A good example is hiring
quotas back in the 60's and 70's and lowered entrance exam scores for minorities. Instead of openeing doors and letting culture to move at
it's own speed, someone was denied a job because of their status regardless.
Diversity training is supposed to open people's eyes to
recognize there is no single race or gender that corners the market on
any skill,
however on the management side the message coming from HR is
hire the most diverse person even if they aren't the best qualified. Imagine if a basketball team was required to adhere to these rules?
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John F Kennedy had a saying, "rising tides raise all yachts." This concept is about anything that benefits one group can benefit others. Unfortunately it seems like human nature in order to help one group,
you must oppress or hold back another.
The next generation, though, will speak english fluently and won't need those services. Ethnic food that is popular will start being sold in the "normal" grocery stores, and the specity food stores will not be needed.
It may take a generation or 2, but those highly ethnic concentrated areas will simply fade away.
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the woman i live with is arab and when we go to her home town in illinois it's like going into another dimension. all of a sudden all the stores, the people in the cars and how everything looks is 100% arab.
If you were to check the people there, most are probably not born in the U.S or are first generation.
Over time (sometimes generations), this type of thing fades.
In the large city near me, there are areas that are heavily korean, for example. They have stored that cater to korean food and have people who off services that speak korean.
The next generation, though, will speak english fluently and won't need thos services. Ethnic food that is popular will start being sold in the "normal" grocery stores, and the specity food stores will not be needed.
It may take a generation or 2, but those highly ethnic concentrated areas wi simply fade away.
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We all benefit from a healthy populace, but health care is the
largest percentage of GDP - there's money to be made in sickness!
I don't think it is untrue. It has been stated publically, multiple times tha
we are a melting pot and where this leads, and it is simultaneusly considered unacceptable to advocate or in anyway act in a way which might prevent this. (for example, asking to limit immigration in order not to be replaced).
This is from my understanding the origin of this idea, that there is an overly
zealous immigration policy which would result in effective replacement over th
decades in the Western countries that it is occuring for which it is considere
inappropriate to oppose, and that all Western nations are expected to be on board with.
I would think that as time goes on, people are going to interpret this as an existential threat, and see more extreme measures to stop it as justified.
then they tried to say the day protesters weren't the same as the night ones. y ass they werent.
It HAS to be policy. For centuries, literally centuries these European cities
were comprised of people descended from that region, with some cross movement between nearby areas, and then *BAM*, centuries of demographic history is upturned, in historical terms suddenly and clearly with foreknowledge. There is no precendent except for times of actual genocide and ethnic cleansing.
Only deliberate genocide and acts of ethnic cleansing have in the past produce
these results.
The odd thing is, I've noticed many people tend to spend time with
people of their own ethnic background more often than not. One example
is that I see very few interracial couples.
Where do you live? I have noticed that such couples are more common with younger people.
then they tried to say the day protesters weren't the same as the night ones. y ass they werent.
In the largest city in Kentucky, where they had plenty of night problems, the daytime protesters did not seem to be the same usually. At least, they did not *act* the same. The ones that came out at night were the violent ones. The ones during the day, where there were much fewer of them (protesters and protests) were usually more peaceful. Except, of course, the ones that were attempting carjackings in broad daylight on a busy
street downtown.
Where they violent during the day where you live, or are you simply convinced that the peaceful day people were the same people causing trouble at night?
Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Ron Lauzon to MRO on Mon May 23 2022 08:24 am
MRO wrote to Moondog <=-
the woman i live with is arab and when we go to her home town in illinois it's like going into another dimension. all of a sudden all the stores, the people in the cars and how everything looks is 100% arab.
If you were to check the people there, most are probably not born in the or are first generation.
Over time (sometimes generations), this type of thing fades.
In the large city near me, there are areas that are heavily korean, for example. They have stored that cater to korean food and have people who services that speak korean.
The next generation, though, will speak english fluently and won't need t services. Ethnic food that is popular will start being sold in the "norm grocery stores, and the specity food stores will not be needed.
It may take a generation or 2, but those highly ethnic concentrated areas simply fade away.
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I think that may be true for some ethnic groups but not for others.
Certain cultures actively discourage their members from getting away from th mothership. I have a gypsy customer who wanted to open a store in a non gyps area and his clan fell on him like a ton of bricks for daring thinking of th He was eventually offered in an arranged marriage to set an alliance with another clan.
Halal and Kosher are ideas which seem to me engineered so members of their asociated cultures don t buy food from outsiders to that culture.
Most Eastern Europeans seem to mix well with natives. I have an Ukranian customer (actually, she is from the Donbas area and considers herself to be Russian) who has adapted perfectly, as well as some Romanian teachers of min and some Hungarian workers I know. Muslim immigrants, on the other hand, ten to stay more tightly within their cultural pockets and seem to despise the Western culture as weak. My experience is that even 2nd or further generatio tend not to take Western culture very seriously (and if political discussion regarding some conflic comes up, they always side with muslim-like countries
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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Boraxman to Moondog on
Sun May 22 2022 10:28 pm
My grandparents are from Southern Europe, yet increasingly I'm being conside as part of the evil colonisers. Why? Because I'm considered to be European and therefore part of the problem.
I've wondered two what the benefit is, why there is such a push for social justice and white guilt. It does benefit some who stand to earn a lot of mo as Diversity consultants, and to get paid to speak about racism, but that ca by why this idea started.
But why Western nations decided that the melting pot is the model, and to decide this with such certainty, to the point where anyone questioning was n just of a different opinion, but morally wrong, that is strange. It seems o of those beliefs which everyone is adamant about, but just doesn't seem to h a reasoning which justifies the adamant attitude.
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John F Kennedy had a saying, "rising tides raise all yachts." This concept is about anything that benefits one group can benefit others. Unfortunately it seems like human nature in order to help one group,
you must oppress or hold back another. A good example is hiring
quotas back in the 60's and 70's and lowered entrance exam scores for minorities. Instead of openeing doors and letting culture to move at
it's own speed, someone was denied a job because of their status regardless. Diversity training is supposed to open people's eyes to recognize there is no single race or gender that corners the market on
any skill, however on the management side the message coming from HR is hire the most diverse person even if they aren't the best qualified. Imagine if a basketball team was required to adhere to these rules?
How many teams have a quadraplegic dwarf that identifies as a vampire
on their starting lineup? I have nothing against quadaplegic dwarf vampires, mind you. People do not watch sports because of reasons
other than athletic abilit y. Black players moved from the negro
leagues to the major leagues because they can throw, hit and field a baseball. Some people thrw a fit at first, the en got over it.
It is sad when one thing is said on stage, when it is done differeently behind the scenes. It's like a salesperson selling a product they have
no faith in, yet are told to sell it or else lose their job.
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I don't think it is untrue. It has been stated publically, multiple times
we are a melting pot and where this leads, and it is simultaneuslyconsidered
unacceptable to advocate or in anyway act in a way which might prevent this. (for example, asking to limit immigration in order not to be replaced).overly
That part is certainly not untrue.
This is from my understanding the origin of this idea, that there is an
zealous immigration policy which would result in effective replacement overth
decades in the Western countries that it is occuring for which it isconsidere
inappropriate to oppose, and that all Western nations are expected to be on board with.
This part is the part that (usually, in the US, left-leaning) people
claim is untrue... that there is any government policies that are
causing or excellerating the effective replacement. I am not certain
that it is untrue, either, but that is definately something where
pointing out the possibility that it is true will certainly get you labeled as imappropriate.
I would think that as time goes on, people are going to interpret this as an existential threat, and see more extreme measures to stop it as justified.
I think that has started happening some already.
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It HAS to be policy. For centuries, literally centuries these European
were comprised of people descended from that region, with some crossmovement
between nearby areas, and then *BAM*, centuries of demographic history is upturned, in historical terms suddenly and clearly with foreknowledge.There
is no precendent except for times of actual genocide and ethnic cleansing.produce
Only deliberate genocide and acts of ethnic cleansing have in the past
these results.
Yes, this is true.
A few years ago, when there was a huge migration from Africa and the Middle East, some of the "newer" western countries (those formerly a
part of the Iron Curtain) were upset with the EU because it was EU
policy that their countries must take in their fair percentage of migrants. IIRC, Hungary was one of the countries that was not happy
with this.
In the US, it seemed to be known that it was a policy, and it was inappropriate to insinuate that a country should have rights to
determine whether or not they conform to such policies.
Similarly, the US over the years has changed how they handle
immigration, softening the way that people of certain national origins
can get in (cross the southern border, shout "asylum!") while keeping
it difficult for persons from other nations.
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the woman i live with is arab and when we go to her home town in
illinois it's like going into another dimension. all of a sudden all
the stores, the people in the cars and how everything looks is 100%
arab.
If you were to check the people there, most are probably not born in
the U.S. or are first generation.
Over time (sometimes generations), this type of thing fades.
In the large city near me, there are areas that are heavily korean, for example. They have stored that cater to korean food and have people
who offer services that speak korean.
The next generation, though, will speak english fluently and won't need those services. Ethnic food that is popular will start being sold in
the "normal" grocery stores, and the specity food stores will not be needed.
It may take a generation or 2, but those highly ethnic concentrated
areas will simply fade away.
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in the illinois city i was mentioning it has been like that and never changed.
the hispanic areas in my home town are like that too.
the good thing is the kids learn english, but that's it.
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I think that may be true for some ethnic groups but not for others.
Certain cultures actively discourage their members from getting away
from the mothership.
Halal and Kosher are ideas which seem to me engineered so members of
their asociated cultures don t buy food from outsiders to that culture.
the hispanic areas in my home town are like that too.
the good thing is the kids learn english, but that's it.
Hispanic culture is partly at fault. But for the kids to grow they need good education (which the Left and their fathers don't want) plus business opportunities - which the Left keeps down.
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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Boraxman to Moondog on
Sun May 22 2022 10:28 pm
My grandparents are from Southern Europe, yet increasingly I'm being cons as part of the evil colonisers. Why? Because I'm considered to be Europ and therefore part of the problem.
I've wondered two what the benefit is, why there is such a push for socia justice and white guilt. It does benefit some who stand to earn a lot of as Diversity consultants, and to get paid to speak about racism, but that by why this idea started.
But why Western nations decided that the melting pot is the model, and to decide this with such certainty, to the point where anyone questioning wa just of a different opinion, but morally wrong, that is strange. It seem of those beliefs which everyone is adamant about, but just doesn't seem t a reasoning which justifies the adamant attitude.
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John F Kennedy had a saying, "rising tides raise all yachts." This concept is about anything that benefits one group can benefit others. Unfortunately it seems like human nature in order to help one group, you must oppress or hold back another. A good example is hiring quotas back in the 60's and 70's and lowered entrance exam scores for minorities. Instead of openeing doors and letting culture to move at it's own speed, someone was denied a job because of their status regardless. Diversity training is supposed to open people's eyes to recognize there is no single race or gender that corners the market on any skill, however on the management side the message coming from HR is hire the most diverse person even if they aren't the best qualified. Imagine if a basketball team was required to adhere to these rules?
How many teams have a quadraplegic dwarf that identifies as a vampire on their starting lineup? I have nothing against quadaplegic dwarf vampires, mind you. People do not watch sports because of reasons other than athletic abilit y. Black players moved from the negro leagues to the major leagues because they can throw, hit and field a baseball. Some people thrw a fit at first, the en got over it.
It is sad when one thing is said on stage, when it is done differeently behind the scenes. It's like a salesperson selling a product they have no faith in, yet are told to sell it or else lose their job.
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I don't think it is about oppression, or the need to put others down. This idea was never thought out in the first place and was a bad idea from the start.
Quotas MUST discriminate. Pushing for diversity MUST discriminate racially. There is no other way around it, never was. The problem is that you couldn' criticise these measures, so no one thought about the ramifications because thinking about the implications of this was forbidden.
Just the idea that someone is more 'diverse' than another is beyond silly. This is LITERALLY Racism, scoring people based on their race. All around companies are doing this for diversity metrics, ranking people on race just like the Third Reich was doing. Let me repeat, it is common practice in the West to literally rate the value of people based on their race, and this is done by people who say they are socially progressive.
I learned over 20 years ago that this is was identity politics, and just a p to attack or diminish one group over an other.
Arelor wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
I think that may be true for some ethnic groups but not for others.
Certain cultures actively discourage their members from getting away from the mothership.
You do have a point there.
I've seen studies about hispanic groups where boys and girls do equally well school, but while the girls finish high school, the boys drop out.
The reason was cultural: the father didn't want their sons to be "smarter" t them.
Halal and Kosher are ideas which seem to me engineered so members of their asociated cultures don t buy food from outsiders to that culture.
And I would agree with that.
But it also has the added result of driving people out of that culture - especially the younger ones.
I've seen areas that basically die off because all the younger people moved away and never came back.
... Last night sex was so good the neighbors lit cigarettes.
some were violent during the day. in my home down there were bricks dropped of
for people to use during the daytime protests but nobody bit.
people are more likely to do something in the dark. they had people on video a
protests who were later rioting. they had some people that burnt down a commu
ty firehouse who were at both.
i knew of people who went to the day protests and then went to the night riots
people with green and purple hair.
This probably explains in part the rise of populism and the far right, as they
are the ones addressing this issue and offering solutions. It is a bit like climate change, you can't complain about people voting for more extreme partie
who are promising to do something about the problem, when you yourself insist on business as usual.
some were violent during the day. in my home down there were bricks dropped of
for people to use during the daytime protests but nobody bit.
I got the impression they were dropped off during the day, in those places where they were dropped, for use at night, but what you say also makes sense.
people are more likely to do something in the dark. they had people on video a
protests who were later rioting. they had some people that burnt down a commu
ty firehouse who were at both.
i knew of people who went to the day protests and then went to the night riots
people with green and purple hair.
I don't know anyone who went because we didn't have any such things going
on in my town (luckily), although there were some threats called in regarding certain buildings that caused them to be closed for a couple of days at a time.
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Arelor wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
I think that may be true for some ethnic groups but not for others.
Certain cultures actively discourage their members from getting away
from the mothership.
You do have a point there.
I've seen studies about hispanic groups where boys and girls do equally well in school, but while the girls finish high school, the boys drop
out.
The reason was cultural: the father didn't want their sons to be
"smarter" than them.
Halal and Kosher are ideas which seem to me engineered so members of
their asociated cultures don t buy food from outsiders to that culture.
And I would agree with that.
But it also has the added result of driving people out of that culture
- especially the younger ones.
I've seen areas that basically die off because all the younger people moved away and never came back.
Andre wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Ron Lauzon to MRO on
Tue May 24 2022 10:12 am
the hispanic areas in my home town are like that too.
the good thing is the kids learn english, but that's it.
Hispanic culture is partly at fault. But for the kids to grow they need good education (which the Left and their fathers don't want) plus business opportunities - which the Left keeps down.
Tell me you don't personally know any Hispanic people without telling
me.
MRO takes the cake on this one though. In Milwaukee, which is 20%
Latino, most of the best performing schools (by graduation rate and
test scores) are over 90% Latino. Supporting data can be found here: https://dpi.wi.gov/accountability/report-cards
Who starts businesses for most of the food trucks, lots of restaurants, roofing and landscaping, etc.? Their parents.
Your mileage may very in the U.S. Southwest. But up here, the best
schools and many of the businesses are started by Latinos.
That is all beside the point. Whether "group X" does better in school or not doesn't change the subject of the debate, that there is a demographic replacement going on. Whether "group X" is better or not doesn't change the moral quandry of creating and supporting policies which deal to a people being demographically replaced.
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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Boraxman to Moondog on
Tue May 24 2022 10:31 am
Moondog wrote to Boraxman <=-
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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Boraxman to Moondog on
Sun May 22 2022 10:28 pm
My grandparents are from Southern Europe, yet increasingly I'm being cons as part of the evil colonisers. Why? Because I'm considered to be Europ and therefore part of the problem.
I've wondered two what the benefit is, why there is such a push for socia justice and white guilt. It does benefit some who stand to earn a lot of as Diversity consultants, and to get paid to speak about racism, but that by why this idea started.
But why Western nations decided that the melting pot is the model, and to decide this with such certainty, to the point where anyone questioning wa just of a different opinion, but morally wrong, that is strange. It seem of those beliefs which everyone is adamant about, but just doesn't seem t a reasoning which justifies the adamant attitude.
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John F Kennedy had a saying, "rising tides raise all yachts." This concept is about anything that benefits one group can benefit others. Unfortunately it seems like human nature in order to help one group, you must oppress or hold back another. A good example is hiring quotas back in the 60's and 70's and lowered entrance exam scores for minorities. Instead of openeing doors and letting culture to move at it's own speed, someone was denied a job because of their status regardless. Diversity training is supposed to open people's eyes to recognize there is no single race or gender that corners the market on any skill, however on the management side the message coming from HR is hire the most diverse person even if they aren't the best qualified. Imagine if a basketball team was required to adhere to these rules?
How many teams have a quadraplegic dwarf that identifies as a vampire on their starting lineup? I have nothing against quadaplegic dwarf vampires, mind you. People do not watch sports because of reasons other than athletic abilit y. Black players moved from the negro leagues to the major leagues because they can throw, hit and field a baseball. Some people thrw a fit at first, the en got over it.
It is sad when one thing is said on stage, when it is done differeently behind the scenes. It's like a salesperson selling a product they have no faith in, yet are told to sell it or else lose their job.
---
I don't think it is about oppression, or the need to put others down. This idea was never thought out in the first place and was a bad idea from the start.
Quotas MUST discriminate. Pushing for diversity MUST discriminate racially. There is no other way around it, never was. The problem is that you couldn' criticise these measures, so no one thought about the ramifications because thinking about the implications of this was forbidden.
Just the idea that someone is more 'diverse' than another is beyond silly. This is LITERALLY Racism, scoring people based on their race. All around companies are doing this for diversity metrics, ranking people on race just like the Third Reich was doing. Let me repeat, it is common practice in the West to literally rate the value of people based on their race, and this is done by people who say they are socially progressive.
I learned over 20 years ago that this is was identity politics, and just a p to attack or diminish one group over an other.
It's ironic the people that scream rascism act in thoe most rascist
ways. Same group that complains about an oppressive government are also the type that would institute oppressive policies which benefit themselves.
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This probably explains in part the rise of populism and the far right, as
are the ones addressing this issue and offering solutions. It is a bit like climate change, you can't complain about people voting for more extremepartie
who are promising to do something about the problem, when you yourselfinsist
on business as usual.
Yes, and you also cannot blame people that, while believing it is an
issue don't want to be forced from the current tech until the new tech
is fully ready (and affordable!), vote for a populist who promises to solve the runaway inflation that is partially caused by the "pain we
need to go through" to transition away from fossil fuels.
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Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Boraxman to Andre on
Wed May 25 2022 09:17 am
That is all beside the point. Whether "group X" does better in school or not doesn't change the subject of the debate, that there is a demographic replacement going on. Whether "group X" is better or not doesn't change the moral quandry of creating and supporting policies which deal to a people being demographically replaced.
I responded to two peoples' spurious, anecdotal, and mostly racist arguments with actual data. So it is not beside the point.
You can go argue with their posts and tell them they're beside the
point.
Andre wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-
MRO takes the cake on this one though. In Milwaukee, which is 20%
Latino, most of the best performing schools (by graduation rate and
test scores) are over 90% Latino. Supporting data can be found here: https://dpi.wi.gov/accountability/report-cards
Who starts businesses for most of the food trucks, lots of restaurants, roofing and landscaping, etc.? Their parents.
Your mileage may very in the U.S. Southwest. But up here, the best
schools and many of the businesses are started by Latinos.
well i'm in the area where the kyle rittenhouse shit went down.
they wanted riots day and night.
well i'm in the area where the kyle rittenhouse shit went down.
they wanted riots day and night.
I do not doubt that. They wanted them right up until the 2020 election was over.
* SLMR 2.1a * A part of the 57% that -didn't- vote for Clinton. Twice.
Your mileage may very in the U.S. Southwest. But up here, the best schools and many of the businesses are started by Latinos.
Re: Great Replacement Conspir
By: Andre to Ron Lauzon on Tue May 24 2022 12:05 pm
Your mileage may very in the U.S. Southwest. But up here, the best school
Latinoamericans are not an homogeneous group.
Cuban escapees carry a much different cultural luggage than Argentinians. I South America. People loves to lump them all together but the cultural diffe
Just pointing that out XD
(And yes, escapees from the worst cesspits of South America tend to be hard
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Your mileage may very in the U.S. Southwest. But up here, the
best schools and many of the businesses are started by Latinos.
On 5/24/22 10:05 AM, Andre wrote:
Your mileage may very in the U.S. Southwest. But up here, the
best schools and many of the businesses are started by Latinos.
Spent most of my life in the U.S. Southwest. Don't really have an issue with hispanics or immigration, but would prefer it be done legally. I
also think legal immigration, and work visas should be a simpler process
for the most part.
In terms of education, I know a lot of Latinos(as), many who don't even speak Spanish at this point (couple of generations in). My ex wife's
dad had forgotten Spanish years ago (moved here as a young boy, time in
the Marines as a Field Medic and an RN after until he died.)
It's kind of just the way of things... tbh, I'm more concerned for the homeless meth heaads in Portland and Seattle than the hispanics in the Southwest, although numbers at the border aren't sustainable or able to
be absorbed into the country.
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It's kind of just the way of things... tbh, I'm more concerned for the homeless meth heaads in Portland and Seattle than the hispanics in the Southwest, although numbers at the border aren't sustainable or able to
be absorbed into the country.
The problem I have with illegals is they do not pay taxes
Regarding political refugees, we need to fix the process if there is a legitimiate reason for people to seek asylum. Living in a shitty, backward country isn't enough.
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