• Holy War

    From Netsurge@77:1/100 to All on Fri Jun 28 20:54:06 2019
    I know that in the past a question like this would start a holy war but I'm going to ask it anyways.

    Aside form the OS that your BBS might be running on (I know a lot of people
    are using Pi's or a hosting slice to run their bbses), what is your day to
    day go to OS.

    I personally have an iMac at home and a Mac Pro and MacBook Pro from work
    that I live in.

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  • From Black Panther@77:1/102 to Netsurge on Fri Jun 28 19:08:38 2019
    On 28 Jun 2019, Netsurge said the following...

    I know that in the past a question like this would start a holy war but I'm going to ask it anyways.

    I've done this myself in the past... :)

    Aside form the OS that your BBS might be running on (I know a lot of people are using Pi's or a hosting slice to run their bbses), what is
    your day to day go to OS.

    Right now, it's Ubuntu. That will be changing in the near future, as I don't like the direction Canonical is heading recently. I'm probably looking at running Debian, as it's close to what I'm familiar with.


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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Black Panther on Fri Jun 28 21:44:00 2019
    Right now, it's Ubuntu. That will be changing in the near future, as I don't like the direction Canonical is heading recently. I'm probably looking at running Debian, as it's close to what I'm familiar with.

    You should take a look at Linux Mint. It's 100% Debain based but offers more bells and whistles including news apt packages compared to Debian core.

    Think of it like Ubuntu lite: Debian based, advanced without all of the
    Ubuntu bloat.

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  • From Black Panther@77:1/102 to Netsurge on Fri Jun 28 19:53:02 2019
    On 28 Jun 2019, Netsurge said the following...

    You should take a look at Linux Mint. It's 100% Debain based but offers more bells and whistles including news apt packages compared to Debian core.

    I've looked at mint in the past, and it looked and felt good. My only
    concern, is it's based on Debian and Ubuntu, according to their website. With Ubuntu insisting on this 'snap' bullsh... will mint follow suit?


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  • From Ernest J Gainey Iii@77:1/113 to Black Panther on Fri Jun 28 22:08:50 2019
    Re: Re: Holy War
    By: Black Panther to Netsurge on Fri Jun 28 2019 07:08 pm

    On 28 Jun 2019, Netsurge said the following...
    Right now, it's Ubuntu. That will be changing in the near future, as I don't like the direction Canonical is heading recently. I'm probably looking at running Debian, as it's close to what I'm familiar with.

    They seem to have changed their plans:

    Ubuntu Decides to Keep Supporting Selected 32-bit Libs After Developer Outrage

    https://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-19-10-drops-32-bit-support/
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  • From Dan Clough@77:1/114 to Netsurge on Fri Jun 28 21:12:00 2019
    Netsurge wrote to All <=-

    I know that in the past a question like this would start a holy
    war but I'm going to ask it anyways.

    Aside form the OS that your BBS might be running on (I know a lot
    of people are using Pi's or a hosting slice to run their bbses),
    what is your day to day go to OS.

    I personally have an iMac at home and a Mac Pro and MacBook Pro
    from work that I live in.

    My daily driver is Slackware Linux, mostly on a Lenovo laptop.
    The BBS runs on a dedicated box also running Slack. I have a few
    test boxes around that I play around with other distros, mostly
    Debian-ish. I do have to use a Win10 laptop for work tasks.



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  • From Black Panther@77:1/102 to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Fri Jun 28 20:24:48 2019
    On 28 Jun 2019, Ernest J Gainey Iii said the following...

    They seem to have changed their plans:

    Ubuntu Decides to Keep Supporting Selected 32-bit Libs After Developer Outrage

    They stated they would continue to support 'selected' libraries. And, they state it would be for 19.10 and 20.04. What happens after that LTS release?

    Another issue that I have with Canonical, is their decision to use snap for their primary installation manager. I've tried 7 different installs utilizing snap, and none of them worked...

    I've even noticed 3rd party developers who are only going to release via
    snap. (notepadqq) I guess that means I need to change applications...

    It's time to find a different distro, who actually cares about their user base...


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  • From LockeDown@77:1/105 to Netsurge on Fri Jun 28 19:52:12 2019
    On 28 Jun 2019, Netsurge said the following...

    I know that in the past a question like this would start a holy war but I'm going to ask it anyways.

    Aside form the OS that your BBS might be running on (I know a lot of people are using Pi's or a hosting slice to run their bbses), what is
    your day to day go to OS.

    I personally have an iMac at home and a Mac Pro and MacBook Pro from work that I live in.

    Windows 10 :)

    I grew up on DOS so for me it was a natural progression.

    I bought a MacBook Air as my main laptop a few years ago as I wanted something light and to see how the Apple people worked. I was fine with it -- my biggest gripe is once your system is decided obsolete by Apple there is nothing you
    can really do but spend the money on their overpriced hardware. I recently loaded a VM with latest MacOS just to see if I could use it for iOS
    development - but for now it is just waisting 30GB of space in case I ever
    need it. And by the time I do the tools will require a MacOS update that will be difficult to update as a VM.

    I also recently bought a new slim and light HP laptop that came with Windows
    10 but I side loaded Xubuntu on it. It will be my primary portable laptop but currently only using it to NetRunner to different BBSs. I plan to also load Geany for some remote or couch development MPL coding.

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  • From LockeDown@77:1/105 to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Fri Jun 28 19:58:38 2019
    On 28 Jun 2019, Ernest J Gainey Iii said the following...

    Ubuntu Decides to Keep Supporting Selected 32-bit Libs After Developer Outrage

    https://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-19-10-drops-32-bit-support/

    I kind of figured there would be a backlash and possible reverse decision.

    Even Steam will come back and I am sure that was a big part of it:

    [snip]
    [Update] Steam will continue support Ubuntu 19.10
    Pierre-Loup (Steam Dev) responded to Ubuntu's new decision and announced
    that Steam will continue to officially support Ubuntu.
    [/snip]

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Black Panther on Fri Jun 28 23:02:36 2019
    I've looked at mint in the past, and it looked and felt good. My only concern, is it's based on Debian and Ubuntu, according to their website. With Ubuntu insisting on this 'snap' bullsh... will mint follow suit?

    According to posts in their support forums, they have no plans to move to
    snap.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Ernest J Gainey Iii on Fri Jun 28 23:03:32 2019
    They seem to have changed their plans:

    Ubuntu Decides to Keep Supporting Selected 32-bit Libs After Developer Outrage

    You knew that they were bound to bend to public pressure.

    I think the next thing they cave on is snap.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Dan Clough on Fri Jun 28 23:04:56 2019
    My daily driver is Slackware Linux, mostly on a Lenovo laptop.
    The BBS runs on a dedicated box also running Slack. I have a few
    test boxes around that I play around with other distros, mostly Debian-ish. I do have to use a Win10 laptop for work tasks.

    Slackware was the first every linux distro I used. I remember having to
    install it using something like 10 floppies.

    I used slack for a while until I moved to gentoo. Spent a long time with that until I finally settled on Debian about 10 years ago.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Black Panther on Fri Jun 28 23:06:24 2019
    I've even noticed 3rd party developers who are only going to release via snap. (notepadqq) I guess that means I need to change applications...

    I think they might cave as well. I just read that they are scrambling to find people to maintain their apt debs. There has been a huge backlash over snap with their userbase.

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  • From LockeDown@77:1/105 to LockeDown on Fri Jun 28 20:00:30 2019
    On 28 Jun 2019, LockeDown said the following...
    Windows 10 :)

    I grew up on DOS so for me it was a natural progression.

    I should probably also mention I was a big PC Gamer for a long time and DOS/Windows was the best for gaming for a long time on the PC.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to LockeDown on Fri Jun 28 23:15:12 2019
    Windows 10 :)

    I have lost many years of my life due to the Windows OS (mostly their server environment). It's bad enough I have to muddle through their bloated AD
    system and proprietary protocols, there is no way I would use it personally.

    That's just me though.

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  • From ryan@77:1/128 to Netsurge on Sat Jun 29 06:56:16 2019
    Aside form the OS that your BBS might be running on (I know a lot of people are using Pi's or a hosting slice to run their bbses), what is
    your day to day go to OS.

    For probably 70% of my personal computing needs...iOS. The iPad with attached keyboard is a godsend. I use it on planes, long uber rides, starbucks, basically everywhere. Since I travel upwards of 75-90% of my life, it's perfect.

    For work I use a MBP and naturally use MacOS.

    At home, I have two gaming computers: A scratch assembled desktop as well as
    a Razer laptop. Both of those dual boot Windows 10 and Arch linux, but if I'm being honest, I keep them in Windows and really should just blow away the
    linux installs at this point (thanks to WSL).

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  • From ryan@77:1/128 to Black Panther on Sat Jun 29 06:57:38 2019
    I've looked at mint in the past, and it looked and felt good. My only concern, is it's based on Debian and Ubuntu, according to their website. With Ubuntu insisting on this 'snap' bullsh... will mint follow suit?

    If you like a tight knit community that abhors bloat as well as superfluous change, check out Bunsen Labs linux. It's a minimal debian + openbox setup.

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  • From ryan@77:1/128 to LockeDown on Sat Jun 29 07:00:14 2019
    I kind of figured there would be a backlash and possible reverse
    decision.

    It's a bit too little, too late. Canonical is only keeping it in 19.10 and 20.04. Before you hit me with the "But the next LTS will be supported until 2024" or whenever it is, keep in mind that their intent to deprecate this suggests it won't be supported /well/ which is a crucial distinction IMO.

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  • From ryan@77:1/128 to Netsurge on Sat Jun 29 07:01:26 2019
    I used slack for a while until I moved to gentoo. Spent a long time with that until I finally settled on Debian about 10 years ago.

    I did the same! I actually still use Gentoo, on a powerpc g4 mac mini,
    because nothing else these days has any semblance of a modern/currently supported OS running on 32 bit PPC :P

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  • From Dan Clough@77:1/114 to Netsurge on Sat Jun 29 08:37:00 2019
    Netsurge wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    My daily driver is Slackware Linux, mostly on a Lenovo laptop.
    The BBS runs on a dedicated box also running Slack. I have a few
    test boxes around that I play around with other distros, mostly Debian-ish. I do have to use a Win10 laptop for work tasks.

    Slackware was the first every linux distro I used. I remember
    having to install it using something like 10 floppies.

    Yes, that goes back a ways! What a joy that was... I'd say
    things have progressed a bit since then. :-)

    I used slack for a while until I moved to gentoo. Spent a long
    time with that until I finally settled on Debian about 10 years
    ago.

    Gentoo was fun to play with for a while, but hard to "keep up"
    with it, for me anyway. Can't go wrong with Debian, if I was to
    ever switch from Slack it would be to Debian testing.


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  • From LockeDown@77:1/105 to ryan on Sat Jun 29 08:00:52 2019
    On 29 Jun 2019, ryan said the following...

    I kind of figured there would be a backlash and possible reverse decision.

    It's a bit too little, too late. Canonical is only keeping it in 19.10
    and 20.04. Before you hit me with the "But the next LTS will be
    supported until 2024" or whenever it is, keep in mind that their intent
    to deprecate this suggests it won't be supported /well/ which is a
    crucial distinction IMO.

    Understood. For me at least I feel like I have plenty of time to find my next alternative if needed. But this is just a hobby OS for me -- if I was using Ubuntu as a true server I'd be pretty upset and want to move away from them
    as well just for making these decisions.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to ryan on Sat Jun 29 11:47:40 2019
    I did the same! I actually still use Gentoo, on a powerpc g4 mac mini, because nothing else these days has any semblance of a modern/currently supported OS running on 32 bit PPC :P

    With older hardware it is still the way to go, you can optimize your builds
    to your hardware.

    With todays powerful processors it makes little difference.

    I remember spending days compiling X on gentoo on older P2 hardware.

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  • From Atreyu@77:1/103 to Netsurge on Sun Jun 30 05:15:48 2019
    On 28 Jun 19 20:54:06, Netsurge said the following to All:

    I know that in the past a question like this would start a holy war but I'm going to ask it anyways.

    Its only a holy war if your religion makes you violent.

    Windows all the way here, for BBS'ing and for personal. Not necessarily out
    of devotion, but out of necessity for something that I know will "just work" without having me endlessly screwing around with it.

    In the summer of 2001, something was able to pry OS/2 from my cold dead hands... and it was Windows NT. My BBS is DOS based and will run on a "real" MS-DOS machine if necessary, so porting it to NT was a no brainer. All of the sudden I had a world of working device drivers, TCPIP and shit that just *worked*.

    You have to appreciate having a Mach64 video driver that actually
    freaking *worked* on Windows and not some halfassed hacked driver on OS/2. And for me that was just the beginning of my just-works phase. Backups became much easier. Remote access, VPN, remote desktop, all that shit *worked*. As an added bonus, I had a job at the time where I had to administer NT machines,
    so I was able to very quickly build my skillset.

    I found myself able to actually enjoy the "hobby" more, exchanging messages and playing the door games and all that, as I spent less time on OS issues. I was one of those rare guys where Windows just worked, because I did not screw around with it. I secured it, kept it updated and backed up. And that has been going on 18 some odd years now. Darkrealms has largely ran on the same setup for decades.

    I administer Linux servers as part of my job and I want to be a fan, but
    Linux just will not suit my needs without a TON of work I just don't have the time to invest anymore. I got "spoiled" in some ways, maybe a bit lazy.

    Atreyu

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  • From deon@77:3/101.1 to Netsurge on Sun Jun 30 23:43:42 2019
    On 28 Jun 2019, Netsurge said the following...
    Aside form the OS that your BBS might be running on (I know a lot of people are using Pi's or a hosting slice to run their bbses), what is
    your day to day go to OS.

    So I started out on DOS, and ran my first BBS on it.

    I played with Linux - because somebody at the time uploaded it, which was around the same time I because a sys admin for a HPUX box and needed to learn unix. Since then I've been a linux fan - for server type workloads.

    When I got a new job, I was given a laptop with Win 98 and maybe went down
    the 2000 path, and absolutely hated it. Rebuilds every 6 months, only to be taken down by a virus. I think it was about 18 yrs (maybe a bit less) ago I
    was rebuilding my Windows when within 5 mins of installing it Redworm took it down (I was at the office at the time). So I reformated and went Linux desktop - I think at the time RedHat had a linux desktop moment.

    I jumped to the Ubuntu band wagon for a few years and then got a Mac - and wished I had done it years earlier.

    While I am a linux fan - as a desktop I'm not a fan, and I got sick of trying to get things to work - or sick of fixing/reformaing files that came from a Microsoft user (word, powerpoint, etc). I also got sick of it not
    hibernating, when you close the laptop lid. There were sometimes where it
    was 3-4 times quicker to boot the machine, than it was to resume from suspending.

    When I tried a Mac, and everything just worked, I never looked back. I'm
    still using my first Macbook Air - it must be 7-8yrs old, and my iMac is 6+ years old, and I want to upgrade to the latest, but just cant justify it
    (there is nothing wrong with them).

    Today, I also play with the Pi's - but not GUI's. CLI and docker it is for
    me. Docker lets me shift stuff around with next to no effort.

    ....deon

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Atreyu on Sun Jun 30 10:08:36 2019
    I administer Linux servers as part of my job and I want to be a fan, but Linux just will not suit my needs without a TON of work I just don't
    have the time to invest anymore. I got "spoiled" in some ways, maybe a
    bit lazy.

    This is where we differ. Windows Server environment has caused me to shave years off of my life. I much prefer a Linux solution that can be paired down
    to whatever service(s) I may need, be it RADIUS or DHCP.

    I also prefer a challenge. Pointing and clicking is not my thing. I am a
    cisco ccie, so I live in a command line environment daily.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to deon on Sun Jun 30 10:09:26 2019
    When I tried a Mac, and everything just worked, I never looked back. I'm still using my first Macbook Air - it must be 7-8yrs old, and my iMac is 6+ years old, and I want to upgrade to the latest, but just cant justify it (there is nothing wrong with them).

    The fact that it's core system is BSD based makes doing anything from a
    command line a breeze as well.

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  • From LockeDown@77:1/105 to deon on Sun Jun 30 09:17:22 2019
    On 30 Jun 2019, deon said the following...

    While I am a linux fan - as a desktop I'm not a fan, and I got sick of trying to get things to work - or sick of fixing/reformaing files that came from a Microsoft user (word, powerpoint, etc). I also got sick of
    it not hibernating, when you close the laptop lid. There were sometimes where it was 3-4 times quicker to boot the machine, than it was to
    resume from suspending.

    Ha -- I guess some things never change. My Xubuntu install can never seem to recover from stand-by -- the display just remain black until i hit the power button which will trigger Xubuntu to shutdown. I have not tried to see if it can actually hibernate -- instead just always shutting it down but choosing
    to open the same folders/apps etc at next log in. Least it is SSD laptop so fast enough to reload but annoying.

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  • From LockeDown@77:1/105 to Netsurge on Sun Jun 30 09:24:46 2019
    On 30 Jun 2019, Netsurge said the following...

    I also prefer a challenge. Pointing and clicking is not my thing. I am a cisco ccie, so I live in a command line environment daily.

    This is actually one of the things I forgot how much I missed command line interface over GUI.

    Since playing around more in Linux terminals and even using all keyboard for BBS navigation -- I dread every time I have to read emails on my work laptop via Outlook and click around all day reading emails.

    Grew up loving DOS and creating my own custom quick access hot key batch files/menus for games and utilities. Even when Windows '95 first came out I would force to boot to DOS and then only load Windows '95 when I felt like I needed to.

    I loved the Pre Windows 95 days -- At least then I could tell you exactly
    what every folder on my hard drive was for. Windows '95+ screwed that all up.

    For now my main PC will remain Windows 10 because "it works" -- same reason I have an iPhone -- it just works (although Apple is getting annoying on the iOS end and stability is not what it used to be).

    But I love to dabble and learn new OS's as time permits and I can find a purpose for them.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to LockeDown on Sun Jun 30 16:24:36 2019
    Since playing around more in Linux terminals and even using all keyboard for BBS navigation -- I dread every time I have to read emails on my
    work laptop via Outlook and click around all day reading emails.

    I have keyboard shortcuts for almost everything I do in a windowed
    environment. I just find things happen a lot faster.

    On a side note, I have SyncTerm the telnet term of choice for almost everyone
    I know who farts around in a router or switch.

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  • From Atreyu@77:1/103 to Netsurge on Sun Jun 30 18:14:14 2019
    On 30 Jun 19 10:08:36, Netsurge said the following to Atreyu:

    I administer Linux servers as part of my job and I want to be a fan, bu Linux just will not suit my needs without a TON of work I just don't have the time to invest anymore. I got "spoiled" in some ways, maybe a bit lazy.

    This is where we differ. Windows Server environment has caused me to shave years off of my life. I much prefer a Linux solution that can be paired down to whatever service(s) I may need, be it RADIUS or DHCP.

    What, no "holy war"? 8-)

    At this point in my life, I'm happy to exchange mail and provide services for others. About 90% of my downlinks are Linux systems. If there is to be a holy war, its those who try to run Hub systems using BBS software. The only BBS software that was capable of "everything" was TBBS/Flame from the 90's.

    My only complaint, if I really wanted to whine like a child, is that sometimes its frustrating dealing with Sysops who "tinker" with their Linux system so much that the basics start to fail... I have a Fido RC who *LOVES* to tinker with Linux and Mystic, so mail delivery and segments are not really reliable.

    Anyhow I was real sad - for a moment anyhow - to have to say goodbye to OS/2. I was such a huge fan of OS/2 from '93 all the way to the summer of 2001. I was THAT stedfastly an OS/2 user that I ended up doing all kinds of trickery and hacks and whatnot to keep that system running as long as I did.

    Desqview/386 was also amazing. Quarterdeck really had a good product there.

    Atreyu

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Atreyu on Sun Jun 30 22:27:22 2019
    My only complaint, if I really wanted to whine like a child, is that sometimes its frustrating dealing with Sysops who "tinker" with their Linux system so much that the basics start to fail... I have a Fido RC
    who *LOVES* to tinker with Linux and Mystic, so mail delivery and
    segments are not really reliable.

    Hey wait, I run linux and Mystic, lol.

    Anyhow I was real sad - for a moment anyhow - to have to say goodbye to OS/2. I was such a huge fan of OS/2 from '93 all the way to the summer
    of 2001. I was THAT stedfastly an OS/2 user that I ended up doing all kinds of trickery and hacks and whatnot to keep that system running as long as I did.

    I am working on getting some BBS and FTN software compiled on Amiga OS 4
    which runs on modern-ish day hardware, I know all about not wanting to let something go, lol.

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  • From LockeDown@77:1/105 to Atreyu on Sun Jun 30 20:27:38 2019
    On 30 Jun 2019, Atreyu said the following...
    Desqview/386 was also amazing. Quarterdeck really had a good product there.


    I really enjoyed Desqview 2.x for my 2 line Renegade BBS days.

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  • From Psi-Jack@71:1/118 to Netsurge on Wed Jul 17 20:17:16 2019
    Re: Holy War
    By: Netsurge to All on Fri Jun 28 2019 08:54 pm

    I know that in the past a question like this would start a holy war but I'm going to ask it anyways.

    Aside form the OS that your BBS might be running on (I know a lot of people are using Pi's or a hosting slice to run their bbses), what is your day to day go to OS.

    Hmmmm... Been using Linux as a desktop since 1992~1993.

    I personally have an iMac at home and a Mac Pro and MacBook Pro from work that I live in.

    Heh, I got my soon-to-be-ex-wife, while were not seperating that is, an iMac for her, because I told her I wouldn't support Windows, and if she wanted to run it, she would basically be on her own. She'd ran Linux for a while though, until she up and decided she has to have an iPhone, which doesn't have iTunes. :)

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Psi-Jack on Wed Jul 17 20:34:04 2019
    Heh, I got my soon-to-be-ex-wife, while were not seperating that is, an iMac for her, because I told her I wouldn't support Windows, and if she wanted to run it, she would basically be on her own. She'd ran Linux for
    a while though, until she up and decided she has to have an iPhone,
    which doesn't have iTunes. :)

    Now that Apple has finally decided to kill iTunes, Linux might be a good
    choice to go back to, lol.

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  • From Psi-Jack@71:1/118 to Netsurge on Wed Jul 17 20:55:46 2019
    Re: Re: Holy War
    By: Netsurge to Psi-Jack on Wed Jul 17 2019 08:34 pm

    Heh, I got my soon-to-be-ex-wife, while were not seperating that is,
    an iMac for her, because I told her I wouldn't support Windows, and
    if she wanted to run it, she would basically be on her own. She'd
    ran Linux for a while though, until she up and decided she has to
    have an iPhone, which doesn't have iTunes. :)

    Now that Apple has finally decided to kill iTunes, Linux might be a good choice to go back to, lol.

    Wait? What?

    I mean, this is kind of interesting news to me because I actually switched, not long after my wife did, from Android to Apple, for my cell and tablet computers, because for me, they were more reliable as both pocket computers AND cell phones, where-as my Android was more pocket computer than usable cell phone. heh

    So I have very much integrated myself into the Apple ecosystem with the iPhone, iPad, Apple TV, Apple Watch, HomeKit home automation (with custom devices I've been making for automating my house, which maybe some day I will make my BBS able to blink the light in my office when someone "pages the sysop"). :)

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Psi-Jack on Wed Jul 17 21:39:34 2019
    Wait? What?

    They killed the desktop app only and are replacing it with a much lighter
    Apple Music app.

    So I have very much integrated myself into the Apple ecosystem with the iPhone, iPad, Apple TV, Apple Watch, HomeKit home automation (with
    custom devices I've been making for automating my house, which maybe
    some day I will make my BBS able to blink the light in my office when someone "pages the sysop"). :)

    Have you heard of HomeBridge? It's a node.js app that allows you to add close to anything you want to HomeKit.

    I too have a lot of stuff being controlled via HomeKit. HomeBridge allows me
    to use cheap Sonoff relays and other smart devices that aren't homekit certified such as Lightify lightbulbs.

    I even created my own garage door opener with an arduino, a relay and a reed switch which is used to check if the door is open or closed.

    I also have it tied to Plex to set the room lighting based on what we are watching.

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  • From Psi-Jack@71:1/118 to Netsurge on Thu Jul 18 00:11:22 2019
    Re: Re: Holy War
    By: Netsurge to Psi-Jack on Wed Jul 17 2019 09:39 pm

    Wait? What?

    They killed the desktop app only and are replacing it with a much lighter Apple Music app.

    Hmmmm... Odd... I hadn't heard. Course, I betcha they still don't have a Linux app yet. And I'm curious what they're going to do with iTunes Match, which I use to "match" digital media I own with digital media they have in their Apple Music libraries, or if they don't, mine get uploaded and still shared with me. I use that heavilly. LOL

    So I have very much integrated myself into the Apple ecosystem with
    the iPhone, iPad, Apple TV, Apple Watch, HomeKit home automation
    (with custom devices I've been making for automating my house, which
    maybe some day I will make my BBS able to blink the light in my
    office when someone "pages the sysop"). :)

    Have you heard of HomeBridge? It's a node.js app that allows you to add close to anything you want to HomeKit.

    Yep! I'm debating on whether to use HomeBridge or HomeAssistant's HAP-Server (which is Python-based). So far, HomeBridge has been rock solid reliable, while HomeAssistant itself seems to lag often and randomly, and has some issues with http.

    I liked the concept of HomeAssistant, but when I installed the latest version these issues started popping up.

    I too have a lot of stuff being controlled via HomeKit. HomeBridge allows me to use cheap Sonoff relays and other smart devices that aren't homekit certified such as Lightify lightbulbs.

    I even created my own garage door opener with an arduino, a relay and a reed switch which is used to check if the door is open or closed.

    Oh, I went WAY further. I designed an ESP 8266, and eventually changed it out for an ESP 32 because I needed more power for my 1994~1996 model Liftmaster Security+ (non-2.0), and needed to detect various analog-style signal patterns through the control wire connected to the motor unit. I tapped it straight into the limit switches in the motor unit to detect garage door position, and into t he motor itself to sense whether it's opening or closing, and tapped into the power of the motor unit itself. Further, I used KiCad to design a circuit board, had Seeed Studio "print" me 3, and I designed 1 power regulator myself to downstep the power properly, and added that to the sheet, since they required 5. ;)

    And then, the belt of my garage door unit broke. So I just replaced the whole unit with a garage door unit with built-in WIFI and myQ. And now I can just use most any myQ plugin for homebridge, homeassistant, etc, and avoid the $60~90 cost for the additional myQ Hub they expect you to buy seperately (for HomeKit support).

    Other than that, I've been making all sorts of control units for various things, humidity sensors that control exhaust vents, ceiling concealed
    miniguns with IR+PIX+Sonic sensors for targetting (just kidding on that last part.), sonic sensors for the garage to both detect a car, and to signal when the car is pulled up a safe distance from the garage entrance, and when it's too far in, etc.

    I also have it tied to Plex to set the room lighting based on what we are watching.

    Iiiiiinteresting idea, that one. I should look into that. :)

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