• nix

    From Shitty@77:1/142 to All on Wed Apr 22 10:50:22 2020
    I'm to new Scinet. What's *nix chat? Unix? Or nginx? They both come to mind when I see the name of this echo.

    If it's nginx, then I have some questions for that category.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Shitty on Sat Nov 21 00:38:54 2020
    I'm to new Scinet. What's *nix chat? Unix? Or nginx? They both come to mindwhen I see the name of this echo.

    If it's nginx, then I have some questions for that category.

    I guess you found some stuck packets on your system, lol.

    Great to see some replies from the past 8 months.

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  • From jack phlash@77:1/911 to Shitty on Sat Nov 21 18:02:00 2020
    on 22 Apr 2020, Shitty said...

    I'm to new Scinet. What's *nix chat? Unix? Or nginx? They both come to mind when I see the name of this echo.

    That generally refers to Linux, Unix, and other Unix-like operating systems. Probably still not a bad place to ask about nginx though. :)

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to jack phlash on Sat Nov 21 22:12:30 2020
    That generally refers to Linux, Unix, and other Unix-like operating systems.Probably still not a bad place to ask about nginx though. :)

    It's the only way to run a webserver (nginx & linux of course).

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  • From Shitty@77:1/142 to Netsurge on Fri Nov 20 22:12:36 2020
    If it's nginx, then I have some questions for that category.

    I guess you found some stuck packets on your system, lol.

    Great to see some replies from the past 8 months.

    Wow that is weird! But in the states we sometimes say "Better late than never!"

    I'm messing around with my system trying to get Metronet set up and it
    might have had something to do with it. This happened in the midst of it all.

    But that was a message that I hoped to hear back from people about. Anyone got experience using nginx as an alternative to apache?

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  • From Shitty@77:1/142 to jack phlash on Sat Nov 21 19:33:46 2020
    That generally refers to Linux, Unix, and other Unix-like operating systems. Probably still not a bad place to ask about nginx though. :)

    I was trying to imrove the load time for a web page, and I tried switching my VPS from apache to nginx, but I ended up with a slower load time, so I
    quickly reverted back.

    But I wonder if it would have made for faster access to the database? I didn't test that. That can be useful too.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Shitty on Sun Nov 22 17:05:14 2020
    But that was a message that I hoped to hear back from people about.
    Anyone gotexperience using nginx as an alternative to apache?

    A lot of us do, including myself.

    It runs a lot leaner than Apache and it's quite powerful, especially when using it as a reverse proxy or for caching.

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  • From Nelgin@77:1/119 to Netsurge on Sun Nov 22 22:46:28 2020
    Netsurge wrote:
    That generally refers to Linux, Unix, and other Unix-like operating systems.Probably still not a bad place to ask about nginx though. :)

    It's the only way to run a webserver (nginx & linux of course).

    No, there are others.
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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Nelgin on Mon Nov 23 00:25:16 2020
    No, there are others.

    Yes, but the other suck.

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  • From Nelgin@77:1/119 to Netsurge on Mon Nov 23 05:20:58 2020
    Re: Re: nix
    By: Netsurge to Nelgin on Mon Nov 23 2020 00:25:16

    Yes, but the other suck.

    That's just an opinion.
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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Nelgin on Mon Nov 23 07:02:42 2020
    That's just an opinion.

    35.7% of the world's webservers are running Apache while 32.6% are running nginx. Everything else lags behind greatly.

    So not only an opinion, also a fact.

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  • From Nelgin@77:1/119 to Netsurge on Mon Nov 23 06:56:10 2020
    Re: Re: nix
    By: Netsurge to Nelgin on Mon Nov 23 2020 07:02:42

    35.7% of the world's webservers are running Apache while 32.6% are running nginx. Everything else lags behind greatly.

    Right, more sites are running Apache, so like I said, there are other options.

    Also, from October 2020 Netcraft survey results of over 1 billion sites:

    "Contrary to its strong growth in other metrics, nginx saw the largest drop in its presence among the top million websites, with 3,030 fewer sites taking its share down to 25.5% while Apache continues to lead with 28.3%."

    So people are actually turning away from nginx.

    Anyway, this coversation is ended because I'm bored and I've proved my point that there's other options.
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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Nelgin on Mon Nov 23 09:01:04 2020
    Anyway, this coversation is ended because I'm bored and I've proved my pointthat there's other options.

    Yes, other options, but they suck.

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  • From StackFault@77:1/117 to Netsurge on Mon Nov 23 11:01:08 2020
    Anyway, this coversation is ended because I'm bored and I've proved m pointthat there's other options.

    Yes, other options, but they suck.

    I tend to agree, my main choice is NGINX. I've seen people run servers with everything under the sun, even with 'python3 -m http.server' and 'php -S'.
    The fact they exists doesn't make them good options.

    Also, we are seeing CDN and cloud providers providing their own which tend to skew the stats a bit by comparing oranges to apples.

    Generally speaking, NGINX will handle more traffic and a higher connection
    rate out of the box with the same machine specs and is usually chosen over Apache in high traffic websites (or as a front-end cache to ease the life of Apache on the backend).

    Also, the fact one server is most used than another does not directly
    translate to which is better, the purpose is the key factor I guess.

    Finally, if you have experience configuring Apache or it's the server
    supported by your application/vendor, better stick with it instead of trying
    to deploy NGINX but fail to properly secure/configure it.

    Cheers!

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to StackFault on Mon Nov 23 11:42:32 2020
    Generally speaking, NGINX will handle more traffic and a higher connectionrate out of the box with the same machine specs and is usually chosen overApache in high traffic websites (or as a front-end cache to ease the life ofApache on the backend).

    Completely agree. It runs leaner, is very secure and can cache and proxy without breaking a sweat.

    There is a reason sites like netflix, DropBox, Wordpress, GitHub, and so many other sites choose nginx over apache.

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  • From Arelor@77:1/114 to StackFault on Mon Nov 23 12:29:20 2020
    Re: Re: nix
    By: StackFault to Netsurge on Mon Nov 23 2020 11:01 am

    Anyway, this coversation is ended because I'm bored and I've prove pointthat there's other options.

    Yes, other options, but they suck.

    I tend to agree, my main choice is NGINX. I've seen people run servers with everything under the sun, even with 'python3 -m http.server' and 'php -S'. The fact they exists doesn't make them good options.

    I must confess I have been using OpenBSD's httpd as of late. It is not super featureful, but it is very easy to configure and really has all the basics. Not that I would use it for some big operation, but for small sites it works well.

    Plus, as deployed in OpenBSD, it has chroot and limited isolation by default. --
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  • From StackFault@77:1/117 to Arelor on Mon Nov 23 13:52:38 2020
    I tend to agree, my main choice is NGINX. I've seen people run servers everything under the sun, even with 'python3 -m http.server' and 'php - The fact they exists doesn't make them good options.

    I must confess I have been using OpenBSD's httpd as of late. It is not super featureful, but it is very easy to configure and really has all
    the basics. Not that I would use it for some big operation, but for
    small sites it works well.

    Plus, as deployed in OpenBSD, it has chroot and limited isolation by default. --

    OpenBSD could be a whole other discussion. I really like the way they put it together but it's not for the faint of heart. I've been an heavy BSD user for the server side of things and it's beyond rock-solid. That little blowfish rocks!

    It's not for everyone, chroot and jails are definitely a tad bit harder to implement but can significantly reduce lateral movement possibilities in case of compromise. It also reduces the LOLBins playground a lot. It does not
    reduce the chance of foothold however, since a vulnerable application will remain vulnerable, being in a chroot or not. It deter the prying eyes well on the other hands.

    Cheers!

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  • From jack phlash@77:1/911 to Netsurge on Mon Nov 23 17:59:14 2020
    on 22 Nov 2020, Netsurge said...

    It runs a lot leaner than Apache and it's quite powerful, especially
    when using it as a reverse proxy or for caching.

    Ha! That's literally the only thing I've done with NGINX. It made a surprisingly awesome proxy though. Most of my *nix web servification
    experience is with good ol' Apache.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to jack phlash on Mon Nov 23 21:20:06 2020
    Ha! That's literally the only thing I've done with NGINX. It made a surprisingly awesome proxy though. Most of my *nix web servification experience is with good ol' Apache.

    You would love nginx if you used it as the engine itself.

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  • From Nelgin@77:1/119 to Netsurge on Tue Nov 24 13:12:06 2020
    Netsurge wrote:
    You would love nginx if you used it as the engine itself.

    Can it do what apache-itk does? Basically you can run each virtualhost as its own user for better separation between users.
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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Nelgin on Tue Nov 24 16:51:52 2020
    Can it do what apache-itk does? Basically you can run each virtualhost
    as itsown user for better separation between users.

    Yup. You sure can. They are called Spools, and it's in the main build of Nginx, not an offshoot build like Apache.

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  • From jack phlash@77:1/911 to Netsurge on Tue Nov 24 14:26:26 2020
    on 23 Nov 2020, Netsurge said...

    You would love nginx if you used it as the engine itself.

    Work wise, I'm not in that kind of position (or company) nowadays, but I'm
    sure I'll play with it at home sooner or later.

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  • From Shitty@77:1/142 to Netsurge on Sun Nov 22 22:00:32 2020
    It runs a lot leaner than Apache and it's quite powerful, especially
    when using it as a reverse proxy or for caching.

    In that case, it's embarassing that I ended up with a slower page load time under nginx. I should have read a manual first instead of just switching abruptly :)

    I suspect that there was stuff I should've changed in my site's cache settings after switching to nginx. I'm an amateur, so all I heard was that "nginx is faster!" and that's all it took for me to try it out- but I probably should have turned off my caching software (I use Wordpress) or at least I should
    haev had a look at the settings.

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  • From Shitty@77:1/142 to StackFault on Mon Nov 23 12:45:44 2020
    Generally speaking, NGINX will handle more traffic and a higher
    connection rate out of the box with the same machine specs and is
    usually chosen over Apache in high traffic websites (or as a front-end cache to ease the life of Apache on the backend).

    Thanks, that sounds like the part of the story I didn't read when I tried it out. I don't have a high-traffic site, so that could also be part of the reason why I didn't see a page speed performance improvement upon switching. Maybe it's beneficial for a low-traffic site to stick with Apache (for users who
    need speed.)

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  • From StackFault@77:1/117 to Shitty on Wed Nov 25 11:47:20 2020
    Generally speaking, NGINX will handle more traffic and a higher connection rate out of the box with the same machine specs and is usually chosen over Apache in high traffic websites (or as a front-en cache to ease the life of Apache on the backend).

    Thanks, that sounds like the part of the story I didn't read when I
    tried it out. I don't have a high-traffic site, so that could also be
    part of the reason why I didn't see a page speed performance improvement upon switching. Maybe it's beneficial for a low-traffic site to stick
    with Apache (for users who need speed.)

    Well, it depends on your specific use case, if you are a PHP user, other alternatives can suits your need better like LiteSpeed (OpenLiteSpeed for the free version). This one performs really well and for dynamic content, you can achieve up to twice the speed (yes 100% improvement) over Apache.

    I still find NGINX with a good FPM setup works very well.

    With one user, everything will be fast, it's when you add volume that you can really separate mens from boys :)

    Cheers!

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