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    From ryan@77:1/128 to All on Sun Jun 23 17:27:26 2019
    Ubuntu is officially dropping 32 bit support in 19.10. Therefore, Steam is dropping Ubuntu.

    How hard is it to maintain 32 bit support? It seems like an additional compilation step for libs and binaries. Hardly trivial but hardly difficult either, and multiarch support is what allows things like Wine and gaming to work.

    I'd love to be a fly on the wall at Canonical to learn whatever the incentive alignment was which lead to this decision. Seems like some Paul Allen level decision making.

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  • From LockeDown@77:1/105 to ryan on Sun Jun 23 11:33:28 2019
    On 23 Jun 2019, ryan said the following...

    Ubuntu is officially dropping 32 bit support in 19.10. Therefore, Steam
    is dropping Ubuntu.

    Yikes -- that may change things for me for sure. I was just feeling happy and content going down this path and planning to play around with Steam streaming via Ubuntu.

    Just did a quick Google search and the "good news" is they are not dropping
    32 bit support completely -- just no longer providing updates to the 32 bit libraries so least it will not break existing: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/06/is-ubuntu-not-dropping-32-bit-app-support-a fter-all

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to ryan on Sun Jun 23 19:54:32 2019
    I'd love to be a fly on the wall at Canonical to learn whatever the incentive alignment was which lead to this decision. Seems like some
    Paul Allen level decision making.

    100% maintaining 32 bit is for the most part trivial and I am sure more than enough people would step up to the plate to do so.

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  • From ryan@77:1/128 to LockeDown on Mon Jun 24 06:10:58 2019
    Just did a quick Google search and the "good news" is they are not dropping 32 bit support completely -- just no longer providing updates
    to the 32 bit libraries so least it will not break existing: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/06/is-ubuntu-not-dropping-32-bit-app-supp fter-all

    Which means there'll be a disparity between 64 bit libs and 32 bit libs, to include what's needed for things like Mesa, so forget using up-to-date wine
    or do any sort of gaming. It really is bad enough to the point where Valve
    and other game manufacturers are running for the hills.

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  • From LockeDown@77:1/105 to ryan on Mon Jun 24 09:11:36 2019
    On 24 Jun 2019, ryan said the following...
    Which means there'll be a disparity between 64 bit libs and 32 bit libs, to include what's needed for things like Mesa, so forget using
    up-to-date wine or do any sort of gaming. It really is bad enough to the point where Valve and other game manufacturers are running for the hills.

    Yeah :(

    I knew at some point I was going to have to switch to another flavor -- I was just hoping to have some more time. Such is the life of a Linux user I assume?

    Least VMs make it easier to try things out before you commit to anything.

    Hopefully with Valve pulling out maybe they will at least reconsider? Maybe
    not but you never know once the Internet becomes unhappy about something.

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  • From ryan@77:1/128 to LockeDown on Mon Jun 24 17:55:24 2019
    I knew at some point I was going to have to switch to another flavor --
    I was just hoping to have some more time. Such is the life of a Linux
    user I assume?

    Honestly for desktop linux I can't really make any argument against using
    arch these days aside from the potential for breaking things during an
    update, but the direction of arch and the philosophical backing are something that make sense to me, and feel moreover very "linux" in general.

    The learning curve is high, but the support is there above and beyond other distros, and you'll wind up a better technologist for it. You'll also have a real feeling of ownership over your computers.

    To a lesser degree, I like debian, but the "release when ready" mantra is one that frustrated me at times as a desktop user. For a pretty cool
    preconfigured desktop with an excellent online community, check out "Bunsen Labs Linux."

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