• Curious

    From Netsurge@77:1/100 to All on Fri Mar 20 00:31:40 2020
    Out of curiosity for those running Mystic or Synchronet.

    How many of you are not using the built in mailer and tosser and are using third party software such as BinkD/Argus/Irex or HPT/Fmail/Crashmail with
    your Mystic or Synchronet systems?

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  • From alterego@77:3/101 to Netsurge on Fri Mar 20 15:45:58 2020
    Re: Curious
    By: Netsurge to All on Fri Mar 20 2020 12:31 am

    How many of you are not using the built in mailer and tosser and are using third party software such as BinkD/Argus/Irex or HPT/Fmail/Crashmail with your Mystic or Synchronet systems?

    On windows I'm using binkit AND Taurus (new Argus?)

    I did have Taurus doing everything, but I now have binkit looking after binkp and Taurus looking after EMSI connects.

    Why do you ask?
    ...deon


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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to alterego on Fri Mar 20 00:50:38 2020
    Why do you ask?

    With Mystic and Sync being the all-in-one heavyweights I was curious as to
    how many sysops out there like to fiddle and build their systems manually instead of doing everything through one package.

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  • From alterego@77:3/101 to Netsurge on Fri Mar 20 16:16:16 2020
    Re: Re: Curious
    By: Netsurge to alterego on Fri Mar 20 2020 12:50 am

    With Mystic and Sync being the all-in-one heavyweights I was curious as to how many sysops out there like to fiddle and build their systems manually instead of doing everything through one package.

    Ahh - so I thought I'd might add, I've in the process of changing Synchronets "interface" to be similar to ViewData/Videotex (but with ANSI). I hope to be able to extend it's telnet interface to support the original Viewdata chars (40x22) as well, but I'll wait until I get the plumbing right, and I find more hours in the day, before I can see if I can add that. (I did write this implemenatation with a browser interface, using cockroach DB, but I changing track when I thought SBBS could do it for me - saves me writing the mail management.)

    In addition to this, I'm making it "InterBBS" - so the Viewdata experience can be viewed on any (at the moment Synchronet) BBS, with frames being edited on "your" BBS (owning a page prefix) and sent via echomail to other BBSes signed with pgp (so the sysop changing the frame is in their prefix that they are allowed to change).

    Dont know if anybody else is interested in this, but I'm enjoying having a go...

    I've got some functionality there - but its a big project and I have too many things on the go, so I'm chipping away at it slowly. Some of it is working on my BBS already...
    ...deon


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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to alterego on Fri Mar 20 02:59:24 2020
    Ahh - so I thought I'd might add, I've in the process of changing Synchronets "i nterface" to be similar to ViewData/Videotex (but with ANSI). I hope to be able to extend it's telnet interface to support the original Viewdata chars (40x22) a s well, but I'll wait until I get the plumbing right, and I find more hours in t he day, before I can see if I can add that. (I did write this implemenatation wi th a browser
    interface, using cockroach DB, but I changing track when I thought SBBS could do it for me - saves me writing the mail management.)

    I remember you mentioning it before. It's a neat idea.

    Dont know if anybody else is interested in this, but I'm enjoying having
    a go...

    I'm always up for trying new things.

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  • From Vk3jed@77:3/106 to Netsurge on Fri Mar 20 18:13:00 2020
    On 03-20-20 00:31, Netsurge wrote to All <=-

    Out of curiosity for those running Mystic or Synchronet.

    How many of you are not using the built in mailer and tosser and are
    using third party software such as BinkD/Argus/Irex or
    HPT/Fmail/Crashmail with your Mystic or Synchronet systems?

    I'm taking a bet each way. I use BinkD with my Synchronet system, but on Mystic, I use Mystic's built in mailer. That's a historical thing - I started using Synchronet before it had a mailer of its own.


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  • From Vk3jed@77:3/106 to alterego on Fri Mar 20 18:15:00 2020
    On 03-20-20 15:45, alterego wrote to Netsurge <=-

    On windows I'm using binkit AND Taurus (new Argus?)

    I did have Taurus doing everything, but I now have binkit looking after binkp and Taurus looking after EMSI connects.

    I'm looking at supporting other transports and may add other mailers to my systems. I believe I have FTP up and running, but not tested yet.


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  • From Vk3jed@77:3/106 to alterego on Fri Mar 20 18:17:00 2020
    On 03-20-20 16:16, alterego wrote to Netsurge <=-

    In addition to this, I'm making it "InterBBS" - so the Viewdata
    experience can be viewed on any (at the moment Synchronet) BBS, with frames being edited on "your" BBS (owning a page prefix) and sent via echomail to other BBSes signed with pgp (so the sysop changing the
    frame is in their prefix that they are allowed to change).

    Now this sounds cool, I'd be interested in playing with that.

    Dont know if anybody else is interested in this, but I'm enjoying
    having a go...

    I've got some functionality there - but its a big project and I have
    too many things on the go, so I'm chipping away at it slowly. Some of
    it is working on my BBS already...

    Cool, will be interested in reading any updates as they happen. :)


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  • From ryan@77:1/128 to Netsurge on Fri Mar 20 00:26:26 2020
    How many of you are not using the built in mailer and tosser and are
    using third party software such as BinkD/Argus/Irex or
    HPT/Fmail/Crashmail with your Mystic or Synchronet systems?

    I'm using Mystic with its built-in binkp.

    Is there an advantage to externalizing this?

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  • From alterego@77:3/101 to Vk3jed on Fri Mar 20 20:40:38 2020
    Re: Re: Curious
    By: Vk3jed to alterego on Fri Mar 20 2020 06:17 pm

    Now this sounds cool, I'd be interested in playing with that.

    Well, I'm scheduled for leave soon, and given this virus we wont be going anywhere. Was scheduled to take the family to Pambula (East Coast of AU - on the beach), but now we'll probably be stuck at home. The upside hopefully will mean I can spend some time building this out more.

    I have frames being sent between BBSes - but only manually importing them (via a jsexec I've written, only after manually creating them with Moebus or your favourite ANSI editor). I'm hoping to have on BBS frame editing with an ANSI editor - and I hope that I can leverage something that's already there (I think written by Deuce). Once that is in place "information frames" should be up and running, and then I need to work out responsive frames (input forms - which will also be the basis of native message creation and replying).

    Ahh, so many ideas, so little time...
    ...deon


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  • From Vk3jed@77:3/106 to alterego on Fri Mar 20 21:17:00 2020
    On 03-20-20 20:40, alterego wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Re: Re: Curious
    By: Vk3jed to alterego on Fri Mar 20 2020 06:17 pm

    Now this sounds cool, I'd be interested in playing with that.

    Well, I'm scheduled for leave soon, and given this virus we wont be
    going anywhere. Was scheduled to take the family to Pambula (East Coast
    of AU - on the beach), but now we'll probably be stuck at home. The
    upside hopefully will mean I can spend some time building this out
    more.

    I feel your pain. I was supposed to be heading to Queensland this Easter - a few days on the Gold Coast visiting family, then the Nationals in Brisbane. Of course, nationals were cancelled, but it was still worth heading up for a holiday, but the way the coronavirus is tracking, that's looking highly unlikely, and I'll end up having to cancel. :(

    I have frames being sent between BBSes - but only manually importing
    them (via a jsexec I've written, only after manually creating them with Moebus or your favourite ANSI editor). I'm hoping to have on BBS frame editing with an ANSI editor - and I hope that I can leverage something that's already there (I think written by Deuce). Once that is in place "information frames" should be up and running, and then I need to work
    out responsive frames (input forms - which will also be the basis of native message creation and replying).

    Sounds cool, though it will need to be very simple and well integrated for me. I don't do UI stuff well. :)


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  • From apam@77:3/103 to Netsurge on Fri Mar 20 20:33:38 2020
    Why do you ask?

    With Mystic and Sync being the all-in-one heavyweights I was
    curious as to how many sysops out there like to fiddle and build
    their systems manually instead of doing everything through one
    package.

    Hehe I like building my systems manually. :P

    Andrew

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to ryan on Fri Mar 20 12:22:18 2020
    I'm using Mystic with its built-in binkp.

    Is there an advantage to externalizing this?

    Not really. I have always used BinkD for running with lots of nodes. It is stable, tried, tested and true.

    I'm not saying Mystic's binkp server or Sync's BinkIT isn't, but binkD is the heavyweight when it comes to binkp.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to apam on Fri Mar 20 12:23:00 2020
    Hehe I like building my systems manually. :P

    To the most literal sense!

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  • From Embalmed@77:1/133 to Netsurge on Fri Mar 20 10:20:28 2020
    How many of you are not using the built in mailer and tosser and are
    using third party software such as BinkD/Argus/Irex or
    HPT/Fmail/Crashmail with your Mystic or Synchronet systems?

    I'm using the built in stuff. It works and I've had no reason to change it/experiment with other programs.

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  • From Embalmed@77:1/133 to Netsurge on Fri Mar 20 10:21:54 2020
    Hehe I like building my systems manually. :P

    To the most literal sense!
    Ever tried linux from scratch? I did it once, that was enough for me. :D

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  • From g00r00@77:1/138 to ryan on Fri Mar 20 13:28:00 2020
    I'm using Mystic with its built-in binkp.

    Is there an advantage to externalizing this?

    My take on it is this:

    In the beginning binkd made sense just for stability reasons, so that would be the advantage. I don't think that is much of a factor anymore. I've never seen binkd handling 30-40+ connections at once (I'm sure it can) but I know Mystic does it regularly without issue.

    Now its getting to the point where there are some useful things the built ins are doing like SSL and AES-256 encryption that the externals do not. So as long as the internal stuff isn't missing a feature you absolutely need, I don't see much or any advantage anymore.

    Another advantage to not externalizing is that when everything is tightly coupled, its much faster/easier to set up and manage. There is so much redundancy in configuration when using all external stuff and its easy for human error to be a factor, especially with how cryptic they make their configurations.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Embalmed on Fri Mar 20 17:02:16 2020
    I'm using the built in stuff. It works and I've had no reason to change it/experiment with other programs.

    I agree, the all in one aspect of packages like Mystic and Synchronet are a great solution, especially for people who either don't know much about the hobby or don't have a lot of time for it.

    I'm just old school and like the aspect of making it all work by bringing various software/technologies together to make it work. I have written one
    big perl script that runs everything from processing SciNet's nodelist, nodediffs and dns distributed nodelist, all the InterBBS games right through
    to backing everything up and everything in-between.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Embalmed on Fri Mar 20 17:03:58 2020
    Ever tried linux from scratch? I did it once, that was enough for me.

    I have never rolled my own kernel or anything like that but many moons ago I used gentoo frequently and it was all self compiled.

    SciNet's NNTP/e-mail gateway runs on a Slackware server that was compiled
    from scratch (apart from the bootstrapping of course).

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to g00r00 on Fri Mar 20 17:06:02 2020
    In the beginning binkd made sense just for stability reasons, so that would be the advantage. I don't think that is much of a factor anymore. I've never seen binkd handling 30-40+ connections at once (I'm sure it can) but I know Mystic does it regularly without issue.

    Can Mystic's binkp server handle freq requests or start external scripts when it detects a specific file or extension.

    I rely heavily on BinkD's exec processes to run external freq requests.

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  • From ryan@77:1/128 to g00r00 on Fri Mar 20 15:32:06 2020
    In the beginning binkd made sense just for stability reasons, so that would be the advantage. I don't think that is much of a factor anymore. I've never seen binkd handling 30-40+ connections at once (I'm sure it can) but I know Mystic does it regularly without issue.

    A46 'mis poll' handles concurrency, right? Or maybe I should use the term multithreading instead. I think performance when crashing mail to that many downstream nodes is key.

    Now its getting to the point where there are some useful things the
    built ins are doing like SSL and AES-256 encryption that the externals
    do not. So as long as the internal stuff isn't missing a feature you absolutely need, I don't see much or any advantage anymore.

    Yeah, agreed here. I have a letsencrypt cert for my FQDN. It would be great
    to leverage this in SSL connections to verify endpoints if possible.

    I envision a world where my BBS is accessible via secure means only (ssl and wss/https) and certain networks lock down interbbs traffic to binkps. I'm a
    fan of security and love encryption as a baseline.

    Another advantage to not externalizing is that when everything is tightly coupled, its much faster/easier to set up and manage. There is so much redundancy in configuration when using all external stuff and its easy
    for human error to be a factor, especially with how cryptic they make their configurations.

    Yeah, I'm actually possibly experimenting with this soon, since I've been toying with the idea of setting up my old Daydream BBS just for the hell of
    it and serving it traffic as a point to my Mystic BBS. I will have to setup binkd there, unfortunately, but mystic seems a lot more intuitive for the initial portion of becoming a gate between the daydream board and the other
    FTN HUBs.

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  • From Embalmed@77:1/133 to Netsurge on Fri Mar 20 16:09:42 2020
    I have never rolled my own kernel or anything like that but many moons
    ago I used gentoo frequently and it was all self compiled.

    SciNet's NNTP/e-mail gateway runs on a Slackware server that was compiled from scratch (apart from the bootstrapping of course).

    LFS was crazy you had to compile literally everything. You first had to
    build all the bintools and stuff, then chroot into it, and do some more, it
    was about a 2 week process to build a working machine compiling every package and kernel along the way.

    These days I just use Manjaro(arch) or Ubuntu. At work we use CentOS so I still have my RH chops :)

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Embalmed on Fri Mar 20 22:38:34 2020
    These days I just use Manjaro(arch) or Ubuntu. At work we use CentOS so
    I still have my RH chops :)

    We are a Debian house. Tried and tested.

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  • From g00r00@77:1/138 to Netsurge on Sat Mar 21 10:37:10 2020
    Can Mystic's binkp server handle freq requests or start external scripts when it detects a specific file or extension.

    I have some hooks in place for FREQ but there is nothing to allow external scripts to be executed based on extension. There hasn't been a lot of demand for FREQ these days but I do want to expand on it.

    I rely heavily on BinkD's exec processes to run external freq requests.

    Do you use it for anything other than FREQ or just for FREQ?

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  • From g00r00@77:1/138 to ryan on Sat Mar 21 10:37:26 2020
    A46 'mis poll' handles concurrency, right? Or maybe I should use the term multithreading instead. I think performance when crashing mail to that many downstream nodes is key.

    Yes both the server and client can spawn multiple simultaneous connections.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to g00r00 on Sat Mar 21 12:26:50 2020
    Do you use it for anything other than FREQ or just for FREQ?

    A few other things like running MakeNL for nodelist segments that are
    received from NCs in my Region and a few external scripts based on the extension.

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  • From Jeff Smith@77:1/134 to Netsurge on Mon Mar 30 23:31:26 2020

    Hello Netsurge!

    20 Mar 20 00:31, you wrote to all:

    Out of curiosity for those running Mystic or Synchronet.

    How many of you are not using the built in mailer and tosser and are
    using third party software such as BinkD/Argus/Irex or
    HPT/Fmail/Crashmail with your Mystic or Synchronet systems?

    Here with Mystic I use Mystic as is except the use of Golded as a message reader.

    With Synchronet Decided to use BinkD as a mailer instead of BinkIT.


    Jeff


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  • From Vk3jed@77:3/106 to alterego on Sun Apr 12 16:51:00 2020
    On 03-20-20 20:40, alterego wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Re: Re: Curious
    By: Vk3jed to alterego on Fri Mar 20 2020 06:17 pm

    Now this sounds cool, I'd be interested in playing with that.

    Well, I'm scheduled for leave soon, and given this virus we wont be
    going anywhere. Was scheduled to take the family to Pambula (East Coast
    of AU - on the beach), but now we'll probably be stuck at home. The
    upside hopefully will mean I can spend some time building this out
    more.

    Yeah, we're all blessed with time now, funny that! I've got so many ham radio projests up and running (and discovered a few that aren't feasible lol).

    I have frames being sent between BBSes - but only manually importing
    them (via a jsexec I've written, only after manually creating them with Moebus or your favourite ANSI editor). I'm hoping to have on BBS frame editing with an ANSI editor - and I hope that I can leverage something that's already there (I think written by Deuce). Once that is in place "information frames" should be up and running, and then I need to work
    out responsive frames (input forms - which will also be the basis of native message creation and replying).

    Well, any editor will have to be really dumbed down, ANSIs were never my strong point. LOL

    Ahh, so many ideas, so little time...

    More time now. ;)

    ... A truly wise man never plays leapfrog with a unicorn.

    Funny that. ;)


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