• Star Trek Discovery, Orville, and Manifest

    From Nightfox@77:1/110 to All on Tue Aug 27 13:32:48 2019
    A few shows I was watching last year/season were Star Trek: Discovery, The Orville, and Manifest. Discovery and The Orville were both in season 2, but Manifest was a new show starting last year. I'm looking forward to the upcoming seasons of all. I was curious if anyone else here watches those and what you think?

    I thought Manifest was a fairly good show with an interesting premise. Toward the end of the season though, I felt like it was starting to get away from the original intent though. I think we all really want to know what happened to the airplane and why they were missing for 5 years, but the show hasn't really given any clues about that yet. The show went more in the direction of the characters from the airplane having powers to see the future, etc.. To me, it started to almost feel like a story Steven King would write, and the feel of the show has reminded me somewhat of Under The Dome (which I think started out good, but I don't even rememner exactly how the show ended now).

    I like Star Trek, but I've been getting tired of all the prequels they've been doing. I think Discovery is still good enough to watch though. They just keep doing Star Trek content with the original characters (and before), and I think it would be more interesting to see something taking place between the original series and the Next Generation. We only saw the Enterprise B and C once each in Star Trek canon, and it would be interesting to see more of those. Or something taking place after Nemesis - and they're actually doing that with the upcoming Picard show, which I'm looking forward to. The trailer for the Picard show looks really good.

    I think The Orville is a fresh take on a Star Trek like universe. I like the mix of sci-fi and humor in the show. Also, it feels a lot like The Next Generation, which was my favorite Star Trek show (and I've heard it was Seth MacFarlane's favorite Star Trek also). Some of my favorite episodes from The Orville were the 2-part "Identity", and the episode where they found the old cell phone and one guy started to fall for the lady in the videos on the phone (and also, Bortus and Klyden started smoking).

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  • From Netsurge@77:77/5 to All on Tue Aug 27 17:35:42 2019
    From: Netsurge <netsurge@scinet-ftn.org>

    On 2019-08-27 17:32:49 +0000, Nightfox said:

    I thought Manifest was a fairly good show with an interesting premise. Toward the end of
    the season though, I felt like it was starting to get away from the
    original intent
    though. I think we all really want to know what happened to the
    airplane and why they
    were missing for 5 years, but the show hasn't really given any clues
    about that yet. The
    show went more in the direction of the characters from the airplane
    having powers to see
    the future, etc.. To me, it started to almost feel like a story Steven
    King would write,
    and the feel of the show has reminded me somewhat of Under The Dome
    (which I think
    started out good, but I don't even rememner exactly how the show ended now).

    I enjoyed Manifest but feat that it will head down the same path that
    Lost did. Too many questions and many of those questions will end up unanswered. I want to know what happened to them and then they start
    heading into "Mystery of the week" scripts where the core cast head out
    and solve a mystery that has nothing to do with the original mystery.

    I like Star Trek, but I've been getting tired of all the prequels
    they've been doing. I
    think Discovery is still good enough to watch though. They just keep
    doing Star Trek
    content with the original characters (and before), and I think it would be more
    interesting to see something taking place between the original series
    and the Next
    Generation. We only saw the Enterprise B and C once each in Star Trek canon, and it
    would be interesting to see more of those. Or something taking place
    after Nemesis - and
    they're actually doing that with the upcoming Picard show, which I'm
    looking forward to.
    The trailer for the Picard show looks really good.

    I'm a huge Trekkie, so I have blinders on. Any Star Trey show is a
    great show. Saying that, I have enjoyed Discovery so far. It won't be
    at the top of my Trek list but it won't be at the bottom either. As for Picard, see my original remark, any Trek show is a great show.

    I think The Orville is a fresh take on a Star Trek like universe. I
    like the mix of
    sci-fi and humor in the show. Also, it feels a lot like The Next Generation, which was
    my favorite Star Trek show (and I've heard it was Seth MacFarlane's
    favorite Star Trek
    also). Some of my favorite episodes from The Orville were the 2-part "Identity", and the
    episode where they found the old cell phone and one guy started to fall
    for the lady in
    the videos on the phone (and also, Bortus and Klyden started smoking).

    A space opera with humour, what more can you ask for. Seth is one of my favourite writers. Now that the show has moved over to Amazon Prime, we
    might see more edgy story lines as they don't have to worry about the
    FCC rules on language, sex and violence that go with network TV.

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  • From Xqtr@77:1/100 to Nightfox on Wed Sep 4 10:37:16 2019
    Discovery: 1. a "darker" star trek show, 2. a more "realistic" trek show,
    than the others, 3. a star trek show, that wants to be a more like star wars show, perhaps? 4. even if it is a prequel, it seems more advanced in
    technology than the shows/movies, that it precedes.

    Overall... i like it more than other star trek shows :)

    Orville: 1. a parody of star trek? 2. it's about serious religious, social, political matters of humanity, even if it displays them with too much humor
    and sarcasm. 3. Nice and simple (but not too simple) CGI 4. a star trek show
    in disguise :)

    Overall... very nice show! It seems very naive, but it's too serious!

    The Expanse: You didn't mention it ... but it's a must watch show!!!! :)

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  • From Nightfox@77:1/110 to Xqtr on Wed Sep 4 09:37:22 2019
    Re: Re: Star Trek Discovery, Orville, and Manifest
    By: Xqtr to Nightfox on Wed Sep 04 2019 10:37 am

    Discovery: 1. a "darker" star trek show, 2. a more "realistic" trek show, than the others, 3. a star trek show, that wants to be a more like star wars show, perhaps? 4. even if it is a prequel, it seems more advanced in technology than the shows/movies, that it precedes.

    DS9 is also generally considered a "darker" Star Trek show.

    Orville: 1. a parody of star trek? 2. it's about serious religious, social, political matters of humanity, even if it displays them with too much humor and sarcasm. 3. Nice and simple (but not too simple) CGI 4. a star trek show in disguise :)

    Initially I thought The Orville might be a parody of Star Trek, but it's not. I read Seath MacFarlane (the creator of The Orville) is actually a big fan of Star Trek: The Next Generation and wanted to create something similar.

    The Expanse: You didn't mention it ... but it's a must watch show!!!! :)

    I'm not familiar with The Expanse.. Is that another Star Trek show?

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Xqtr on Wed Sep 4 18:30:58 2019
    The Expanse: You didn't mention it ... but it's a must watch show!!!! :)

    An amazing show and an even better book series. I was a fan of the books as soon as they started to get published.

    I have even been playing their table top rpg recently.

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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to NIGHTFOX on Wed Sep 4 19:46:00 2019
    The Expanse: You didn't mention it ... but it's a must watch show!!!! :)

    I'm not familiar with The Expanse.. Is that another Star Trek show?

    No it is a completely different universe based on a series of books. It is
    the solar system 200 years or so into the future, when the Earth has
    colonized Mars, some of the asteroids, and some of the moons around Jupiter
    and Saturn. IMHO, it is better than Star Wars.

    Seasons 1-3 were on SyFy. It got decent ratings but the contract was apparently not at all advantageous to SyFy so they dropped it. Amazon
    picked it up. Season 4 is to drop sometime in the near future, and they've already ordered a Season 5.

    I don't have Amazon so I shall either order an episode at a time, or wait
    for the DVD releases. :)

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  • From Xqtr@77:1/100 to Nightfox on Thu Sep 5 11:46:10 2019
    DS9 is also generally considered a "darker" Star Trek show.

    I never watched all the episodes... i did watch the first seasons and after some time i wanted to watch how it ends, so i can't have a solid opinion on this... but it seemed to me like the Star Trek produces wanted to still some
    of the glory of Babylon 5 :)

    I don't know why, but in my mind all Trek movies/shows are not too "serious" scifi... or let say "hardcore" in a way. So i am not in love with all Trek stuff :) and i am sure that i am not fair with them.

    All Trek stuff, were too much geek stuff, mixed with many new/unknow words
    just to "provoke" the geekness of the viewers, but with not too much fxs and "real" space physics. Also the thing that every movies/show has a different story is not helping to build the feeling that other movies like Star Wars build.

    Initially I thought The Orville might be a parody of Star Trek, but it's not. I read Seath MacFarlane (the creator of The Orville) is actually a big fan of Sta r Trek: The Next Generation and wanted to create
    something similar.

    I think he made Orville, how Star Trek should be. He didn't try to push
    Orville as the "hardcore" scifi series, like Star Trek tried to. He put a lot of comedy, a lot of geekness, but in the same time he is caustic on several social matters and all of these are balanced in a way that make you sit and watch, even if you think it as a parody. :)

    I'm not familiar with The Expanse.. Is that another Star Trek show?

    Nope... it's the epitome of "hardcore" scifi! for me at least. True space physics, with politics, heroism, betrayal and more. A must see show. :)

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  • From Nightfox@77:1/110 to Dumas Walker on Thu Sep 5 09:27:20 2019
    Re: Re: Star Trek Discovery,
    By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Wed Sep 04 2019 07:46 pm

    No it is a completely different universe based on a series of books. It is the solar system 200 years or so into the future, when the Earth has colonized Mars, some of the asteroids, and some of the moons around Jupiter and Saturn. IMHO, it is better than Star Wars.

    Well, probably pretty much anything is better than Star Wars right now.. :P

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  • From Nightfox@77:1/110 to Xqtr on Thu Sep 5 09:37:24 2019
    Re: Re: Star Trek Discovery, Orville, and Manifest
    By: Xqtr to Nightfox on Thu Sep 05 2019 11:46 am

    DS9 is also generally considered a "darker" Star Trek show.

    I never watched all the episodes... i did watch the first seasons and after some time i wanted to watch how it ends, so i can't have a solid opinion on this... but it seemed to me like the Star Trek produces wanted to still some of the glory of Babylon 5 :)

    Babylon 5 started a little bit later than DS9 (though only by a few months). I haven't seen Babylon 5 though, so I can't comment on that.

    I don't know why, but in my mind all Trek movies/shows are not too "serious" scifi... or let say "hardcore" in a way. So i am not in love with all Trek stuff :) and i am sure that i am not fair with them.

    Maybe it shouldn't be too serious.. It should be a fun and enjoyable show to watch.

    All Trek stuff, were too much geek stuff, mixed with many new/unknow words just to "provoke" the geekness of the viewers, but with not too much fxs and "real" space physics. Also the thing that every movies/show has a different story is not helping to build the feeling that other movies like Star Wars build.

    I always thought Star Trek tried to realistic space physics. As far as the new & unknown words, part of the problem is that it's set in the future, and we don't know exactly what we will discover scientifically by then.

    Nightfox
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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to NIGHTFOX on Thu Sep 5 19:05:00 2019
    No it is a completely different universe based on a series of books. It is >DW> the solar system 200 years or so into the future, when the Earth has
    colonized Mars, some of the asteroids, and some of the moons around
    Jupiter and Saturn. IMHO, it is better than Star Wars.

    Well, probably pretty much anything is better than Star Wars right now.. :P

    <GRIN> I am actually including the original trilogy in that statement
    also, not just the more recent movies.

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  • From Nightfox@77:1/110 to Dumas Walker on Fri Sep 6 09:50:28 2019
    Re: Re: Star Trek Discovery,
    By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Thu Sep 05 2019 07:05 pm

    Well, probably pretty much anything is better than Star Wars right now.. :P

    <GRIN> I am actually including the original trilogy in that statement also, not just the more recent movies.

    The original trilogy was good. But you should probably clarify which original trilogy you're referring to: The 1997 remaster, the 2004 DVD release, or the original original (theatrical) trilogy? ;)

    I've heard some people also say Return of the Jedi was when Star Wars started to become more like a series of childrens' movies, with the Ewoks and such.. I still think it's a good movie though.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Nightfox on Fri Sep 6 21:17:00 2019
    Babylon 5 started a little bit later than DS9 (though only by a few months). I haven't seen Babylon 5 though, so I can't comment on that.

    If you enjoy SciFi then you should check it out. It has solid story lines and great CG for it's time (done on an Amiga). It was written by J. Michael Straczynski who also wrote a lot for Marvel and other comic book publishers.

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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to NIGHTFOX on Fri Sep 6 19:20:00 2019
    The original trilogy was good. But you should probably clarify which original >trilogy you're referring to: The 1997 remaster, the 2004 DVD release, or the >original original (theatrical) trilogy? ;)

    Original original or 1997 trilogy, either one. I didn't mind that the 1997 remaster added in some stuff that was previously left out, due to
    technology constraints.

    I did not, and still don't, like the idea that the 2004 release replaced origainl Anikin with prequel Anikin during the final scenes of Jedi.

    I've heard some people also say Return of the Jedi was when Star Wars started >to become more like a series of childrens' movies, with the Ewoks and such.. I
    still think it's a good movie though.

    Yeah, I always heard that the original plan was to have them be Wookies,
    but there was either a continuity issue, or the Wookies were not "cute
    enough." So they downsized them and flipped the name to make them Ewoks.

    I just figured it was a marketing deal to sell more action figures (as the
    Ewok was a new race of creature where the Wookie was not) rather than necessarily a ploy to market more to children.

    That was certainly what happened with the prequel trilogy. I have not made
    up my mind 100% about 7-9 and all the other new "official universe" movies.
    Maybe that is because I have only seen 7. I actually did like it... I
    thought it was better than the prequel movies... but I also felt like it
    lacked something and also that it felt almost like a retelling of the
    original, with different characters.

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  • From Nightfox@77:1/110 to Netsurge on Fri Sep 6 20:07:08 2019
    Re: Re: Star Trek Discovery, Orville, and Manifest
    By: Netsurge to Nightfox on Fri Sep 06 2019 09:17 pm

    Babylon 5 started a little bit later than DS9 (though only by a few
    months). I haven't seen Babylon 5 though, so I can't comment on
    that.

    If you enjoy SciFi then you should check it out. It has solid story lines and great CG for it's time (done on an Amiga). It was written by J. Michael Straczynski who also wrote a lot for Marvel and other comic book publishers.

    I had heard good things about the Amiga's capabilities back then, and I had heard about the Video Toaster product available for the Amiga, which seemed fairly popular.

    I had seen bits & pieces of Babylon 5 when it was on TV but didn't really watch it at the time.

    Same with Firefly, I never watched it when it was on TV. Someone recommended it to me and let me borrow his Firefly DVDs, but I just couldn't get into it. I do enjoy sci-fi though, generally.

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  • From Nightfox@77:1/110 to Dumas Walker on Fri Sep 6 20:11:12 2019
    Re: Re: Star Trek Discovery,
    By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Fri Sep 06 2019 07:20 pm

    I did not, and still don't, like the idea that the 2004 release replaced origainl Anikin with prequel Anikin during the final scenes of Jedi.

    I suppose I can understand them doing that to make it look more consistent with the prequels.

    Yeah, I always heard that the original plan was to have them be Wookies, but there was either a continuity issue, or the Wookies were not "cute enough." So they downsized them and flipped the name to make them Ewoks.

    I've heard about a Star Wars Christmas special that aired on TV in the early 80s that was never shown again, where they visited the Wookie planet for their "Life Day" holiday. I'm not sure if that would have caused a continuity issue though.

    I just figured it was a marketing deal to sell more action figures (as the Ewok was a new race of creature where the Wookie was not) rather than necessarily a ploy to market more to children.

    That was certainly what happened with the prequel trilogy. I have not made up my mind 100% about 7-9 and all the other new "official universe" movies.
    Maybe that is because I have only seen 7. I actually did like it... I thought it was better than the prequel movies... but I also felt like it lacked something and also that it felt almost like a retelling of the original, with different characters.

    I haven't even seen the latest 2 Star Wars movies. Maybe some day I'll get around to watching them. I've generally enjoyed Star Trek more than Star Wars.

    Nightfox
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  • From Ratz@77:1/121 to Nightfox on Sat Sep 7 00:21:16 2019
    I've heard about a Star Wars Christmas special that aired on TV in the early 80s that was never shown again, where they visited the Wookie
    planet for their "Life Day" holiday. I'm not sure if that would have caused a continuity issue though.


    Hey Nightfox no fan should miss out on this so here ya go.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH8rxarVG8

    no hard feelings ok? =]

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  • From Nightfox@77:1/110 to Ratz on Fri Sep 6 21:43:20 2019
    Re: Re: Star Trek Discovery,
    By: Ratz to Nightfox on Sat Sep 07 2019 12:21 am

    I've heard about a Star Wars Christmas special that aired on TV in
    the early 80s that was never shown again, where they visited the
    Wookie planet for their "Life Day" holiday. I'm not sure if that
    would have caused a continuity issue though.


    Hey Nightfox no fan should miss out on this so here ya go.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH8rxarVG8

    no hard feelings ok? =]

    I've browsed a few moments of this.. Thanks. ;)

    Nightfox
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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to RATZ on Sat Sep 7 10:28:00 2019
    Hey Nightfox no fan should miss out on this so here ya go.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH8rxarVG8

    no hard feelings ok? =]

    Thanks! I have never seen it. Back when the movies first came out, I was
    not really into science fiction (other friends of mine saw it multiple
    times), so the Christmas special was also not of interest. It was not
    until I got a few years older (around 10 or 11) that I saw the original
    movie and was hooked.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to Dumas Walker on Thu Sep 12 13:21:12 2019

    On Saturday September 07, 2019, Dumas Walker said to RATZ...

    Thanks! I have never seen it. Back when the movies first came out, I
    was not really into science fiction (other friends of mine saw it
    multiple times), so the Christmas special was also not of interest. It was not until I got a few years older (around 10 or 11) that I saw the original movie and was hooked.

    It is still a joy to watch the Charlie Brown Christmas special all these
    years later.

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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to NETSURGE on Thu Sep 12 18:32:00 2019
    It is still a joy to watch the Charlie Brown Christmas special all these years later.

    It sure is. The Autumn/Winter holidays just don't feel right if I miss the Halloween, Thanksgiving, or Christmas Charlie Brown shows.

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  • From Adept@77:1/107 to Nightfox on Thu Sep 26 01:46:40 2019
    Re: Star Trek Discovery, Orville, and Manifest
    By: Nightfox to All on Tue Aug 27 2019 01:32 pm

    I like Star Trek, but I've been getting tired of all the prequels they've be doing. I think Discovery is still good enough to watch though. They just k

    I haven't caught up on messages (and maybe this has already been brought up), but your comment made me think of where they're going for season 3, and it seems pretty exciting to me. Like they (hopefully) used the first two seasons with the intent of setting up the series for the place they boldly wanted to go.
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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Adept on Thu Sep 26 10:54:34 2019
    I haven't caught up on messages (and maybe this has already been brought up), but your comment made me think of where they're going for season 3, and it seems pretty exciting to me. Like they (hopefully) used the first two seasons with the intent of setting up the series for the place they boldly wanted to go.

    I think they used the end of Season 2 to wrap up any cross canon issue with Spock having a sister and now we will see them way in the future.

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  • From Nightfox@77:1/110 to Adept on Thu Sep 26 09:44:16 2019
    Re: Star Trek Discovery, Orville, and Manifest
    By: Adept to Nightfox on Thu Sep 26 2019 01:46 am

    I like Star Trek, but I've been getting tired of all the prequels
    they've be doing. I think Discovery is still good enough to watch
    though. They just k

    I haven't caught up on messages (and maybe this has already been brought up), but your comment made me think of where they're going for season 3, and it seems pretty exciting to me. Like they (hopefully) used the first two seasons with the intent of setting up the series for the place they boldly wanted to go.

    Yeah, one thing I wondered about Discovery (and I think it's one of the issues with prequels) is that we already know what happens to Captain Pike. They even brought that up in Discovery. (I didn't watch much TOS, but I've seen things where Pike ends up disfigured and paralyzed and in some kind of machine that acts as a wheelchair or something.)

    I'm also wondering where they're going for season 3. With Discovery being a prequel, and now with the end of season 2, and now the Picard series coming out soon, it seems like Star Trek is all over the place. It seems they're doing well to bring Star Trek back to TV, but I could see all of this being confusing to new fans too.

    Where Discovery is going, I wonder if this was their intent from the beginning of Discovery..

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  • From Adept@77:1/107 to Nightfox on Thu Sep 26 13:44:10 2019
    Re: Star Trek Discovery, Orville, and Manifest
    By: Nightfox to Adept on Thu Sep 26 2019 09:44 am

    Where Discovery is going, I wonder if this was their intent from the beginni of Discovery..

    Yeah, I'm imagining, "You know what'd be really cool? If we could have Spock have a human sibling, but have it be in an environment where we don't have to worry about Star Trek canon."

    And then someone suggests a prequel but then quickly covers the fact that they weren't paying attention to the "don't have to worry about canon" angle.

    But I do like it -- they're clearly going to be in the Star Trek universe, but they have a _lot_ of freedom to do what they want to with tech, now, using any other star trek techs and inventing more besides.
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