• Blade Runner

    From Netsurge@77:77/5 to All on Sat Dec 12 22:42:28 2020
    I know I'm about to take some heat for this but I have never seen Blade Runner.

    Seeing all of this chat about the new Cyberpunk 2077 game, I have
    finally decided to sit down and watch it. Gonna start as soon as I am
    done this message.

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  • From Atreyu@77:1/103 to Netsurge on Sun Dec 13 00:32:01 2020
    On 12 Dec 20 22:42:28, Netsurge said the following to All:

    I know I'm about to take some heat for this but I have never seen Blade Runn

    Yeah, we all know theres *something* not quite right about you, and here it is.

    Atreyu

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  • From Arelor@77:1/114 to Netsurge on Sun Dec 13 04:10:47 2020
    Re: Blade Runner
    By: Netsurge to All on Sat Dec 12 2020 10:42 pm

    I know I'm about to take some heat for this but I have never seen Blade Runn

    I am gonna wield the unpopular opinion (once again) and tell you you aer not missing much by skipping Blade Runner.

    The movie itself is not bad, but I think it is not as good as people claims it to be.

    I like the creepy toymaker, though. Nice touch.
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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to Arelor on Sun Dec 13 09:22:41 2020

    On Sunday December 13, 2020, Arelor said to Netsurge...

    I am gonna wield the unpopular opinion (once again) and tell you you aer not missing much by skipping Blade Runner.

    The movie itself is not bad, but I think it is not as good as people
    claims it to be.

    I agree, the movie itself wasn't bad but it was now Gibson or Stephenson
    story, that's for sure.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to Atreyu on Mon Dec 14 11:07:07 2020

    On Sunday December 13, 2020, Atreyu said to Netsurge...

    I know I'm about to take some heat for this but I have never seen Blade
    Runn

    Yeah, we all know theres *something* not quite right about you, and here
    it is.

    And you think that *something* is the fact I have never watched Blade
    Runner, lol.

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  • From Atreyu@77:1/103 to Netsurge on Mon Dec 14 11:36:52 2020
    On 14 Dec 20 11:07:07, Netsurge said the following to Atreyu:

    Yeah, we all know theres *something* not quite right about you, and here
    it is.

    And you think that *something* is the fact I have never watched Blade Runner, lol.

    All the evidence we can find will slowly pile up... I'll bet you returned rental-tapes to the store without rewinding them.

    Atreyu

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  • From jack phlash@77:1/911 to Netsurge on Mon Dec 14 10:58:45 2020
    on 12 Dec 2020, Netsurge said...

    I know I'm about to take some heat for this but I have never seen Blade Runner.

    What the fuck?

    Seeing all of this chat about the new Cyberpunk 2077 game, I have
    finally decided to sit down and watch it. Gonna start as soon as I am done this message.

    Tell me you've at least read Neuromancer, which was definitely a much bigger inspiration for the pen and paper RPG that the game is based on.

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  • From jack phlash@77:1/911 to Netsurge on Mon Dec 14 11:00:08 2020
    on 13 Dec 2020, Netsurge said...

    I agree, the movie itself wasn't bad but it was now Gibson or Stephenson story, that's for sure.

    Sure, but frame it in the time it was released. It was incredibly influential.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to Atreyu on Wed Dec 16 14:37:44 2020

    On Monday December 14, 2020, Atreyu said to Netsurge...

    All the evidence we can find will slowly pile up... I'll bet you
    returned rental-tapes to the store without rewinding them.

    I might still have a blockbuster tape or two that was never returned period.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to jack phlash on Wed Dec 16 14:38:19 2020

    On Monday December 14, 2020, Jack Phlash said to Netsurge...

    Tell me you've at least read Neuromancer, which was definitely a much bigger inspiration for the pen and paper RPG that the game is based on.

    Yes, of course. I've read everything by the greats Gibson and Stephenson. I even slogged through Anathem.

    I know that Blade Runner is a cult classic, I even enjoyed the new one, but Cyberpunk movies. and to a lesser extend, TV shows just don't compare. I
    don't know if it's the lack of budgets to bring these worlds to life or what
    it is.

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  • From Bob Roberts@77:1/200 to Netsurge on Wed Dec 16 14:36:38 2020
    Re: Re: Blade Runner
    By: Netsurge to jack phlash on Wed Dec 16 2020 02:38 pm

    Yes, of course. I've read everything by the greats Gibson and Stephenson. I even slogged through Anathem.

    LOVE Anathem. I don't know why, it was just such a crazy world. I loved the whole premise of the scientists being exiled and only let out every 100 years or whatever. The clock. The stupid words because they forgot the names of stuff. Amazing world design.

    Did you like Seveneves? I liked all the orbital science stuff and the fact that it spanned such a crazy amount of time.

    I haven't finished The Fall yet. I kinda got stuck halfway thru...



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  • From Atreyu@77:1/103 to Netsurge on Wed Dec 16 20:39:39 2020
    On 16 Dec 20 14:37:44, Netsurge said the following to Atreyu:

    I might still have a blockbuster tape or two that was never returned period.

    A long time ago my local Rogers store had a blowout sale on VHS tapes for like $2 bucks each as they were purging all inventory in favour of DVD. They took everything and dumped it outside on foldout tables, milk crates, etc.

    I spent a small fortune in acquiring a vast collection of scifi/horror/80's cheesy B-movie gems... before likewise ditching all of it in favour of DVD.

    Atreyu

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  • From echicken@77:1/120 to Bob Roberts on Wed Dec 16 22:57:25 2020
    Re: Re: Blade Runner
    By: Bob Roberts to Netsurge on Wed Dec 16 2020 14:36:38

    LOVE Anathem. I don't know why, it was just such a crazy world. I loved

    I liked it a lot too, more than most of his more recent stuff. It was over-the-top nerdy, but not *too far* over the top.

    Did you like Seveneves? I liked all the orbital science stuff and the fact that it spanned such a crazy amount of time.

    Liked it until the time jump, then it got annoying and cheesy.

    I haven't finished The Fall yet. I kinda got stuck halfway thru...

    Started off pretty good and had some interesting parts, but spent way too much time in imaginary simulation land without it paying off. I wouldn't bother finishing it unless you want a fairly disappointing reveal about the nature of Enoch Root.

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  • From jack phlash@77:1/911 to Netsurge on Thu Dec 17 13:48:03 2020
    on 16 Dec 2020, Netsurge said...

    I know that Blade Runner is a cult classic, I even enjoyed the new one, but Cyberpunk movies. and to a lesser extend, TV shows just don't
    compare. I don't know if it's the lack of budgets to bring these worlds
    to life or what it is.

    One of the things that is so appealing about cyberpunk (as a genre) is how closely it ties to modern life, and in doing so, it's easier for a lot of people to imagine and otherwise relate to. With Blade Runner they managed
    to nail a certain aesthetic that was both totally new to most people and, similarly relatable to contemporary 80s life. I think that trumped the story, or the acting (Harrison Ford is kind of brutal to watch in BR, hehe) for most of us at the time and that's what has continued to be most beloved and influential, I suspect.

    I agree about cyberpunk films/TV. There's not many that go hard into it that manage to do a decent job at it. It's frustrating. I'd love a great version adaption of the Sprawl Trilogy (or at least Neuromancer) to finally come out, but it's hard to imagine anyone doing it justice at this point.

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  • From Bob Roberts@77:1/200 to echicken on Thu Dec 17 14:09:10 2020
    Re: Re: Blade Runner
    By: echicken to Bob Roberts on Wed Dec 16 2020 10:57 pm

    I haven't finished The Fall yet. I kinda got stuck halfway thru...

    Started off pretty good and had some interesting parts, but spent way too much time in imaginary simulation land without it paying off. I wouldn't bother finishing it unless you want a fairly disappointing reveal about the nature of Enoch Root.

    Okay, sounds like good advice. I'd like to finish it one day, at least to check the box. :-)

    Did you ever read The Baroque Cycle? Those are the only major releases from him that I have not read.



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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to Bob Roberts on Thu Dec 17 21:04:35 2020

    On Wednesday December 16, 2020, Bob Roberts said to Netsurge...

    Did you like Seveneves? I liked all the orbital science stuff and the fact that it spanned such a crazy amount of time.

    I actually enjoyed Seveneves, but much like echicken, got a tad bit turned
    off after the time jump.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to Atreyu on Thu Dec 17 21:05:45 2020

    On Wednesday December 16, 2020, Atreyu said to Netsurge...

    I spent a small fortune in acquiring a vast collection of
    scifi/horror/80's cheesy B-movie gems... before likewise ditching all of
    it in favour of DVD.

    And probably like most of us, ditched the DVDs for rips that now like on our NAS's and Plex libraries.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to echicken on Thu Dec 17 21:06:44 2020

    On Wednesday December 16, 2020, Echicken said to Bob Roberts...

    Started off pretty good and had some interesting parts, but spent way
    too much time in imaginary simulation land without it paying off. I wouldn't bother finishing it unless you want a fairly disappointing
    reveal about the nature of Enoch Root.

    I stand by the theory that he somehow has a clause with his publisher that
    he gets paid by the word. I love his overall story telling but more often
    than not, it's too wordy, like Brandon Sanderson.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to jack phlash on Thu Dec 17 21:13:51 2020

    On Thursday December 17, 2020, Jack Phlash said to Netsurge...

    I agree about cyberpunk films/TV. There's not many that go hard into it that manage to do a decent job at it. It's frustrating. I'd love a
    great version adaption of the Sprawl Trilogy (or at least Neuromancer)
    to finally come out, but it's hard to imagine anyone doing it justice

    There have been some "mild" cyberpunk TV shows that worked well. Orphan
    Black was a decent series, at least the first 3 season were.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to Bob Roberts on Thu Dec 17 21:16:22 2020

    On Thursday December 17, 2020, Bob Roberts said to echicken...

    Did you ever read The Baroque Cycle? Those are the only major releases from him that I have not read.

    I had a hard time getting through Quicksilver. 900 pages for a first novel
    of a trilogy, a bit much. See my earlier comment about getting paid by the word, lol.

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  • From jack phlash@77:1/911 to Netsurge on Fri Dec 18 11:00:48 2020
    on 17 Dec 2020, Netsurge said...

    There have been some "mild" cyberpunk TV shows that worked well. Orphan Black was a decent series, at least the first 3 season were.

    I thought the Netflix's Altered Carbon (first season) aligned pretty well with what I had imagined from the descriptions in the book, though there were some other issues with the pacing and some big, seemingly random changes that
    soured me on the adaption slightly.

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  • From Bob Roberts@77:1/200 to Netsurge on Fri Dec 18 14:04:54 2020
    Re: Re: Blade Runner
    By: Netsurge to Bob Roberts on Thu Dec 17 2020 09:04 pm

    Did you like Seveneves? I liked all the orbital science stuff and
    the fact that it spanned such a crazy amount of time.

    I actually enjoyed Seveneves, but much like echicken, got a tad bit turned off after the time jump.

    I think Stephenson thinks he's writing a screenplay instead of a novel sometimes. The stuff after the time jump is a bit predictable, but I still found it enjoyable. I think it could make a great 3 or 4 season HBO series!

    I'm suprised they haven't made a movie or series for Snow Crash. Seems like it would be popular.

    I'm really looking forward to Foundation on Apple+. The Trailer makes it look killer.

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  • From Bob Roberts@77:1/200 to Netsurge on Fri Dec 18 14:11:18 2020
    Re: Re: Blade Runner
    By: Netsurge to jack phlash on Thu Dec 17 2020 09:13 pm

    I agree about cyberpunk films/TV. There's not many that go hard into
    it that manage to do a decent job at it. It's frustrating. I'd love
    a great version adaption of the Sprawl Trilogy (or at least
    Neuromancer) to finally come out, but it's hard to imagine anyone
    doing it justice

    There have been some "mild" cyberpunk TV shows that worked well. Orphan Black was a decent series, at least the first 3 season were.

    Altered Carbon, on Netflix, was pretty cyberpunk.

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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to NETSURGE on Fri Dec 18 11:23:00 2020
    There have been some "mild" cyberpunk TV shows that worked well. Orphan
    Black was a decent series, at least the first 3 season were.

    Yes, that was a good one for the first few seasons.


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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to jack phlash on Fri Dec 18 19:36:44 2020

    On Friday December 18, 2020, Jack Phlash said to Netsurge...

    There have been some "mild" cyberpunk TV shows that worked well.
    Orphan Black was a decent series, at least the first 3 season were.

    I thought the Netflix's Altered Carbon (first season) aligned pretty
    well with what I had imagined from the descriptions in the book, though there were some other issues with the pacing and some big, seemingly random changes that soured me on the adaption slightly.

    I'm not sure if it's the booze, drugs or age, but I completely forgot about Altered Carbon. The first season was fantastic and then they went and ruined
    it with the second season.

    Maybe after I watched the second season my brain decided to block it from memory, although I think it's more likely the booze/drugs/age.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to Bob Roberts on Fri Dec 18 19:40:16 2020

    On Friday December 18, 2020, Bob Roberts said to Netsurge...

    I'm suprised they haven't made a movie or series for Snow Crash. Seems like it would be popular.

    Snow Crash is such a beloved favorite by so many that they may be scared to attempt it a fail. The backlash would be brutal.

    Just look at how the Wheel of Time TV series that Amazon is producing is
    under a microscope from die hard fans. They are already afraid of it failing and they only started filming it a month or so ago.

    I'm really looking forward to Foundation on Apple+. The Trailer makes
    it look killer.

    I must be under a rock. I had no idea that they were doing it. I must run to YouTube and see it.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to Dumas Walker on Fri Dec 18 19:44:37 2020

    On Friday December 18, 2020, Dumas Walker said to NETSURGE...

    Yes, that was a good one for the first few seasons.

    I started to loose interest half way through the 4th season and didn't make
    it to the end.

    Another example of them trying to squeeze more out of it than was possible.
    It started to feel like Lost, to many different crazy angles that they could never close up.

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  • From Bob Roberts@77:1/200 to Netsurge on Fri Dec 18 22:49:17 2020
    Re: Re: Blade Runner
    By: Netsurge to Bob Roberts on Fri Dec 18 2020 07:40 pm

    Just look at how the Wheel of Time TV series that Amazon is producing is under a microscope from die hard fans. They are already afraid of it failing
    and they only started filming it a month or so ago.

    I'm most afraid of a repeat of what happened with Game of Thones. GOT started out so strong, then took a hard nose-dive in the last 2 seasons.* I hope WoT can both a) stay faithful to the source material, and b) edit the source material's bullshit out, without ruining it.

    *Mostly caused by those asshat showrunners thinking they were good enough to finish it on their own, without GRRM's writing. Can we call this "The Lucas Effect"? Or maybe just "Pulling a JarJar".




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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Bob Roberts on Sat Dec 19 02:46:02 2020
    I'm most afraid of a repeat of what happened with Game of Thones. GOT startedout so strong, then took a hard nose-dive in the last 2 seasons.*
    I hope WoTcan both a) stay faithful to the source material, and b) edit the sourcematerial's bullshit out, without ruining it.

    *Mostly caused by those asshat showrunners thinking they were good
    enough tofinish it on their own, without GRRM's writing. Can we call
    this "The LucasEffect"? Or maybe just "Pulling a JarJar".

    I think you hit the nail on the head. No source material, shitty product. You can't have someone who isn't a novelist come in and finish your life's work in a few tv episodes.

    The authors of the Expanse series have already made it clean that when they are done catching up to the books, that's it. No more TV show. It's been great so far, I hope they don't get bought out with bags and bags of Bezo's money and allow them to run in into the ground.

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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to NETSURGE on Sat Dec 19 09:50:00 2020
    I started to loose interest half way through the 4th season and didn't make it to the end.

    Another example of them trying to squeeze more out of it than was possible. It started to feel like Lost, to many different crazy angles that they could never close up.

    Agreed. I *think* I made it to the end, but cannot tell you how it ended.
    :)


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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to BOB ROBERTS on Sat Dec 19 10:09:00 2020
    *Mostly caused by those asshat showrunners thinking they were good enough to fi
    ish it on their own, without GRRM's writing. Can we call this "The Lucas Effec
    "? Or maybe just "Pulling a JarJar".

    Wasn't part of the issue that GRRM was not on any schedule to finish it,
    and the TV show fans were getting restless?


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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to NETSURGE on Sat Dec 19 10:26:00 2020
    The authors of the Expanse series have already made it clean that when they ar
    done catching up to the books, that's it. No more TV show. It's been great so r, I hope they don't get bought out with bags and bags of Bezo's money and all
    them to run in into the ground.

    I read somewhere, maybe not a good source, that the upcoming season is
    going to be the last. I have not watched it since it moved to Prime
    because I don't have Prime. I am thinking of taking advantage of one of
    their 30 day trials so I can get caught up, but I need to find a 30-day
    period where I will have time to watch. :)


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  • From Bob Roberts@77:1/200 to Dumas Walker on Sat Dec 19 10:01:31 2020
    Re: GoT
    By: Dumas Walker to BOB ROBERTS on Sat Dec 19 2020 10:09 am

    *Mostly caused by those asshat showrunners thinking they were good
    enough to fi ish it on their own, without GRRM's writing. Can we call
    this "The Lucas Effec "? Or maybe just "Pulling a JarJar".

    Wasn't part of the issue that GRRM was not on any schedule to finish it, and the TV show fans were getting restless?

    A big part of the problem is GRRM's refusal to finish the series. He loves to blog about Football, but not write the end to his books. Rumor is a private group of fans is helping him ghostwrite the ending, but even that seems to be taking forever. We'll probably never get an ending.

    The other part of the GOT problem was the showrunners got a big deal from Disney to produce some Star Wars movie. They were too eager to ditch GOT for that new deal. HBO was ready and willing to give them all the seasons they wanted to wrap it up, but they decided to do it in 1 shitty season, the last of which took 90% of the plot lines and ignored them... instead creating some visual spectacular that satisfied no one. The fan blowback was so bad that Disney pulled their Star Wars deal. haha.

    To their credit, they put together a great show when they had good material. But they were totally incapable of producing any original content that was worth a damn.

    Back to WoT. The source material is so massive, there's obviously tons to draw from. At it's at least "finished." But, in my opinion, the books could do with a real good Edit (with a capital E), and this is coming from an Epic Fantasy lover. Maybe we end up with a great TV show. I've got my fingers crossed.

    Bob Roberts

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  • From Bob Roberts@77:1/200 to Dumas Walker on Sat Dec 19 10:05:19 2020
    Re: GoT
    By: Dumas Walker to NETSURGE on Sat Dec 19 2020 10:26 am

    I read somewhere, maybe not a good source, that the upcoming season is going to be the last. I have not watched it since it moved to Prime because I don't have Prime. I am thinking of taking advantage of one of their 30 day trials so I can get caught up, but I need to find a 30-day period where I will have time to watch. :)

    I hear you. Tracking all the best programs, figuring out what streaming service they are on, and managing the trials and subscriptions is turning into a full time job.

    I wish there was a good service that helped you do it. You could note what shows you wanted to watch, and it would help you "bundle" them by the service to maximize the free trial and minimize the fees. You finish one bundle, then it recommends the next. They would need to track the licenses across services, since shows tend to migrate from one service to the other as Hollywood closes new deals.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to Dumas Walker on Sat Dec 19 17:17:35 2020

    On Saturday December 19, 2020, Dumas Walker said to NETSURGE...

    Agreed. I *think* I made it to the end, but cannot tell you how it
    ended.
    :)

    It started strong and then reminded me of Alias, crazy centuries old cabal
    that have been following some mad man with some crazy supernatural abilities which have been brought on by pseudoscience.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to Dumas Walker on Sat Dec 19 17:19:37 2020

    On Saturday December 19, 2020, Dumas Walker said to NETSURGE...

    I read somewhere, maybe not a good source, that the upcoming season is going to be the last. I have not watched it since it moved to Prime because I don't have Prime. I am thinking of taking advantage of one
    of their 30 day trials so I can get caught up, but I need to find a
    30-day period where I will have time to watch. :)

    It is as the authors will only be writting one more book to wrap up the
    story. My understanding is the book is set to release in the new year and
    that is why Amazon has only released the first 3 episodes of the season and will release the rest later after the book has hit store shelves.

    I guess they don't want to spoil the story and kill book sales.

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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to BOB ROBERTS on Sun Dec 20 10:28:00 2020
    The other part of the GOT problem was the showrunners got a big deal from Disne
    to produce some Star Wars movie. They were too eager to ditch GOT for that new
    deal. HBO was ready and willing to give them all the seasons they wanted to wr
    ap it up, but they decided to do it in 1 shitty season, the last of which took >0% of the plot lines and ignored them... instead creating some visual spectacul
    r that satisfied no one. The fan blowback was so bad that Disney pulled their >tar Wars deal. haha.

    I heard about the horrible fan blowback, but not about the Disney deal (and
    now lack thereof). I guess karma does sometimes still come back on people.


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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to NETSURGE on Sun Dec 20 10:30:00 2020
    Agreed. I *think* I made it to the end, but cannot tell you how it ended.
    :)

    It started strong and then reminded me of Alias, crazy centuries old cabal that have been following some mad man with some crazy supernatural abilities which have been brought on by pseudoscience.

    Although I don't remember much about it, I think I also started out
    watching Alias but lost interest after it got too weird. :)


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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to Dumas Walker on Sun Dec 20 23:08:54 2020

    On Sunday December 20, 2020, Dumas Walker said to BOB ROBERTS...

    I heard about the horrible fan blowback, but not about the Disney deal (and now lack thereof). I guess karma does sometimes still come back
    on people.

    Greed is an ugly thing. I'm sure they were already compinsated really well
    for GOT, but I guess that just wasn't enough for them.

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  • From Bob Roberts@77:1/200 to Netsurge on Mon Dec 21 10:11:37 2020
    Re: Re: GoT
    By: Netsurge to Dumas Walker on Sun Dec 20 2020 11:08 pm

    I heard about the horrible fan blowback, but not about the Disney
    deal (and now lack thereof). I guess karma does sometimes still
    come back on people.

    Greed is an ugly thing. I'm sure they were already compinsated really well for GOT, but I guess that just wasn't enough for them.

    They do seem to have a talent for failing upwards. They have $200 million deal with Netflix still. The first project under that will be "The Three Body Problem" based on the sci-fi trilogy by Liu Cixin. Based on humanity's first contact with aliens in the 60's.

    I haven't ready it, but it is supposed to be excellent, and there are already concerns they will screw it all up. :-)

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  • From jack phlash@77:1/911 to Netsurge on Mon Dec 21 10:27:23 2020
    on 18 Dec 2020, Netsurge said...

    I'm not sure if it's the booze, drugs or age, but I completely forgot about Altered Carbon. The first season was fantastic and then they went and ruined it with the second season.

    I haven't gotten around to watching it yet - kind of wanted to read the book first, and since it's a bit of a departure from the first one (apparently almost an entire different subgenre) I haven't been super inspired to dig
    into it yet. What did they "ruin" with the second season?

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  • From jack phlash@77:1/911 to Netsurge on Mon Dec 21 10:30:24 2020
    on 19 Dec 2020, Netsurge said...

    It started strong and then reminded me of Alias, crazy centuries old
    cabal that have been following some mad man with some crazy supernatural abilities which have been brought on by pseudoscience.

    Wait, is THAT how Alias ended? I watched it when it was new but bailed after the first 2ish seasons. :P

    In retrospect, one of my favorite things about Alias was the constant abuse Bradley Cooper's character took. That was my introduction to him as an actor, and I hated that character. :)

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  • From echicken@77:1/120 to Bob Roberts on Mon Dec 21 23:24:31 2020
    Re: Stephenson (was Re: Blade Runner)
    By: Bob Roberts to echicken on Thu Dec 17 2020 14:09:10

    Did you ever read The Baroque Cycle? Those are the only major releases from him that I have not read.

    I read them. It was ... interesting historical fiction and provided a lot of information about its time period. I remember some bits and pieces, some scenes, some characters, but if there was much of an actual story to it, I've forgotten it.

    I wouldn't urge anybody to go and read it, but I wouldn't actively discourage them either.

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  • From echicken@77:1/120 to Netsurge on Mon Dec 21 23:27:33 2020
    Re: Re: Blade Runner
    By: Netsurge to Bob Roberts on Sat Dec 19 2020 02:46:02

    The authors of the Expanse series have already made it clean that when they are done catching up to the books, that's it. No more TV show. It's been great so far, I hope they don't get bought out with bags and bags of Bezo's money and allow them to run in into the ground.

    I believe it's been settled that season 6 will be the last one (season 5 is currently being released on Prime Video, once episode per week I think).

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to jack phlash on Tue Dec 22 09:29:08 2020

    On Monday December 21, 2020, Jack Phlash said to Netsurge...

    I haven't gotten around to watching it yet - kind of wanted to read the book first, and since it's a bit of a departure from the first one (apparently almost an entire different subgenre) I haven't been super inspired to dig into it yet. What did they "ruin" with the second
    season?

    Where do I start. The acting was terrible, the plot line was poor, special effects were bad.

    The whole tone of it changed. They went from a dark and mysterious storyline
    to a high velocity almost campy story line.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to jack phlash on Tue Dec 22 09:35:03 2020

    On Monday December 21, 2020, Jack Phlash said to Netsurge...

    Wait, is THAT how Alias ended? I watched it when it was new but bailed after the first 2ish seasons. :P

    Yeah. All the while they were after some secret from some supernatual da
    vinci code style historical figure.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to echicken on Tue Dec 22 09:36:09 2020

    On Monday December 21, 2020, Echicken said to Netsurge...

    I believe it's been settled that season 6 will be the last one (season 5
    is currently being released on Prime Video, once episode per week I
    think).

    The released 3 episodes a week or so ago and won't release the rest till sometime in the new year. Something to do with another book release.

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  • From jack phlash@77:1/911 to Netsurge on Tue Dec 22 09:25:42 2020
    on 22 Dec 2020, Netsurge said...

    Where do I start. The acting was terrible, the plot line was poor,
    special effects were bad.

    That blows. :( I still want to watch it, but at least when/if I do I'll have
    my expectations set nice and low...

    The whole tone of it changed. They went from a dark and mysterious storyline to a high velocity almost campy story line.

    Like I mentioned, that was somewhat excepted, as the three books that make up the series apparently all have very different tones, with the later two being much more on the hard scifi side of things. When I was first researching the series it seemed like a lot of people had similar comments about the books -
    so many reviewers liked one (or two) but not all three. That said, from what I've (just) read, season 2 only barrows elements here and there from the sequels, and mostly the third book, so I guess it's not really based on
    either. *shrug* Ah well, at least season 1 was decent, and a self-contained storyline at that.

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  • From jack phlash@77:1/911 to Netsurge on Tue Dec 22 09:28:11 2020
    on 22 Dec 2020, Netsurge said...

    Yeah. All the while they were after some secret from some supernatual da vinci code style historical figure.

    Yep, I remember that stuff - Rambaldi. I didn't hate that stuff by any means, but it was fairly grounded up to what I watched but even back then it felt
    like it had the potential to go way off the rails.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to jack phlash on Tue Dec 22 14:55:41 2020

    On Tuesday December 22, 2020, Jack Phlash said to Netsurge...

    Like I mentioned, that was somewhat excepted, as the three books that
    make up the series apparently all have very different tones, with the later two being much more on the hard scifi side of things. When I was first researching the series it seemed like a lot of people had similar comments about the books - so many reviewers liked one (or two) but not all three. That said, from what I've (just) read, season 2 only barrows elements here and there from the sequels, and mostly the third book, so
    I guess it's not really based on either. *shrug* Ah well, at least
    season 1 was decent, and a self-contained storyline at that.

    I have only read the first book and will now read the rest just to improve
    the expierence I had watching the 2nd season.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to jack phlash on Tue Dec 22 14:57:03 2020

    On Tuesday December 22, 2020, Jack Phlash said to Netsurge...

    Yep, I remember that stuff - Rambaldi. I didn't hate that stuff by any means, but it was fairly grounded up to what I watched but even back
    then it felt like it had the potential to go way off the rails.

    I don't mind the whole "secrets with historical figures" thing and normally
    I like thing Abrams does, but the whole thing went completely off the rails
    in the 4th season, much like Lost. It's almost like they only had 3 seasons
    on material and then took a shit load of money to add new story lines that
    they pulled out of their asses.

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  • From jack phlash@77:1/911 to Netsurge on Tue Dec 22 12:14:29 2020
    on 22 Dec 2020, Netsurge said...

    I have only read the first book and will now read the rest just to
    improve the expierence I had watching the 2nd season.

    Ah, I didn't realize you'd read the book. What did you think of it versus the series? Some of the odd changes that made in the show had me facepalming, and really made me wonder how they could possibly work those changes into adaptions of the sequels. I guess that's not really going to be an issue though...

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to jack phlash on Wed Dec 23 16:35:12 2020

    On Tuesday December 22, 2020, Jack Phlash said to Netsurge...

    Ah, I didn't realize you'd read the book. What did you think of it
    versus the series? Some of the odd changes that made in the show had me facepalming, and really made me wonder how they could possibly work
    those changes into adaptions of the sequels. I guess that's not really going to be an issue though...

    It was a while ago, at least 10 years or so (I should check good reads). I
    do remember a lot of the TV story line from the book but I also do remember their being a lot of things that were not in the book. I have committed to reading the first book and then reading Broken Angels and Woken Furies
    during the holidays, so let me refresh my memory and get back to you.

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  • From jack phlash@77:1/911 to Netsurge on Thu Dec 24 10:21:54 2020
    on 23 Dec 2020, Netsurge said...

    It was a while ago, at least 10 years or so (I should check good reads).
    I do remember a lot of the TV story line from the book but I also do remember their being a lot of things that were not in the book. I have committed to reading the first book and then reading Broken Angels and Woken Furies during the holidays, so let me refresh my memory and get
    back to you.

    Ahh, gotcha. I read the book and then almost immediately watched the series,
    so it was very fresh in my mind. There were quite a few changes like the Hendrix being switched to the Poe (and the hotel AI becoming much more important to the plot, oddly) and his relationship with Ortega, but the
    biggest and dumbest was the whole thing with the main antagonist and his
    sister (keeping that vague on purpose.) Why?! They added all of these additional main characters instead of focusing on Kovacs which, while
    probably making it more entertaining to watch, loses a lot of the noir vibe
    the book had.

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