• BBS People

    From Shitty@77:1/142 to All on Tue Feb 2 15:53:14 2021
    Are all BBS people insane?

    I've been a BBS guy for more than 30 years, and I've noticed that most (if not all of us) have something weird and/or fucky about them (myself included, of course!)

    Just yesterday, a friend of mine since childhood (at least 28 years) flipped the fuck out on me for supposedly "deleting his voting topic" and "restricting his access" to my BBS! He said "Lose my number!" What a fucking psycho? Then he blocked me on Facebook. I can hardly believe that happened. The dude has
    always been cool in the past (to me at least.)

    Could you imagine someone you know personally getting pissed at you for having a piece of shit bbs? lol I tried the voting booth and that shit works. I bet
    he failed to save it because my bbs uses mystic and mystic asks like "Are you sure you want to save this?" That, or maybe I restored from a backup one day and it was after he had already posted the topic.

    I tried to tell the dude "There's like 2 people who call my BBS regularly. Who the fuck do you think your polling with this shit?" I didn't consciencously delete it on him.

    It blew my mind to have someone do that to me. Some of these motherfuckers out there are REALLY fucked in the head! I only wish it wasn't a guy from my hometown!

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  • From jack phlash@77:1/911 to Shitty on Fri Feb 5 18:20:53 2021
    on 02 Feb 2021, Shitty said...

    Are all BBS people insane?

    Ha! I've actually wondered this many times over the years...

    I could give some pretty compelling examples, but I don't want to drag
    anyone's names through the mud. Plus, if they really do have some serious mental issues, it'd feel a bit like punching down.

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  • From paulie420@77:1/158 to Shitty on Fri Feb 5 18:51:52 2021
    Are all BBS people insane?

    It blew my mind to have someone do that to me. Some of these
    motherfuckers out there are REALLY fucked in the head! I only wish it wasn't a guy from my hometown!

    Fuck you, Shitty- you suck.

    :P



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  • From Bob Roberts@77:1/200 to paulie420 on Fri Feb 5 19:25:23 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: paulie420 to Shitty on Fri Feb 05 2021 06:51 pm

    Are all BBS people insane?

    It blew my mind to have someone do that to me. Some of these
    motherfuckers out there are REALLY fucked in the head! I only wish
    it wasn't a guy from my hometown!

    Fuck you, Shitty- you suck.

    This is my new favorite message thread.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to jack phlash on Sat Feb 6 01:06:00 2021
    I could give some pretty compelling examples, but I don't want to drag anyone's names through the mud. Plus, if they really do have some serious mental issues, it'd feel a bit like punching down.

    I have already apologized to you a million times. Geesh.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Bob Roberts on Sat Feb 6 01:06:28 2021
    Fuck you, Shitty- you suck.

    This is my new favorite message thread.

    We aim to please here on SciNet!

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  • From Arelor@77:1/114 to Shitty on Sat Feb 6 07:02:54 2021
    Re: BBS People
    By: Shitty to All on Tue Feb 02 2021 03:53 pm

    Are all BBS people insane?

    I've been a BBS guy for more than 30 years, and I've noticed that most (if n all of us) have something weird and/or fucky about them (myself included, of course!)

    Just yesterday, a friend of mine since childhood (at least 28 years) flipped the fuck out on me for supposedly "deleting his voting topic" and "restricti his access" to my BBS! He said "Lose my number!" What a fucking psycho? Then blocked me on Facebook. I can hardly believe that happened. The dude has always been cool in the past (to me at least.)

    Could you imagine someone you know personally getting pissed at you for havi a piece of shit bbs? lol I tried the voting booth and that shit works. I bet he failed to save it because my bbs uses mystic and mystic asks like "Are yo sure you want to save this?" That, or maybe I restored from a backup one day and it was after he had already posted the topic.

    I tried to tell the dude "There's like 2 people who call my BBS regularly. W the fuck do you think your polling with this shit?" I didn't consciencously delete it on him.

    It blew my mind to have someone do that to me. Some of these motherfuckers o there are REALLY fucked in the head! I only wish it wasn't a guy from my hometown!

    If anything good can be said of this tech, is that it shows you which people is worth keeping around and which people deserves to be taken out and shot.

    The bad news is the list of people who deserves to be taken out and shot outnumbers the list of people worth having around.

    But think of this

    In today's digital world, where most social intereaction (for some people) ins online, blocking somebody is seen as the ultimate sign of aggresion. Maybe it is stupid, but some people take being blocked very seriously. As if you had stolen their dog or something.

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  • From Dream Master@77:1/166 to Shitty on Sat Feb 6 08:35:57 2021
    Re: BBS People
    By: Shitty to All on Tue Feb 02 2021 03:53 pm

    Are all BBS people insane?

    I think we are all a little "touched" in the head. We find technology from the 80s and early 90s intriguing and are tired of technologies such as Facebook and Twitter that remove some of the fun we once had.

    I've been a BBS guy for more than 30 years, and I've noticed that most (if not all of us) have something weird and/or fucky about them (myself included, of course!)

    Without a doubt. We don't view the world in black and white, we see shades and colors. Most of us are a little older, more mature, and have a sense of humor.

    Just yesterday, a friend of mine since childhood (at least 28 years) flipped the fuck out on me for supposedly "deleting his voting topic" and "restricting his access" to my BBS! He said "Lose my number!" What a fucking psycho? Then he blocked me on Facebook. I can hardly believe that happened.

    Okay, that's a little weird. You'd think your friend would've picked up the phone and called you before something like that would've happened.

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  • From Dream Master@77:1/166 to Bob Roberts on Sat Feb 6 08:36:54 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: Bob Roberts to paulie420 on Fri Feb 05 2021 07:25 pm

    Fuck you, Shitty- you suck.

    This is my new favorite message thread.

    I'm starting to think it is too. :)

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  • From Atreyu@77:1/103 to Shitty on Sat Feb 6 11:08:44 2021
    On 02 Feb 21 15:53:14, Shitty said the following to All:

    Are all BBS people insane?

    Yes.

    Atreyu

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Dream Master on Sat Feb 6 12:59:16 2021
    I think we are all a little "touched" in the head. We find technology from the80s and early 90s intriguing and are tired of technologies such
    as Facebook andTwitter that remove some of the fun we once had.

    You said it brother. I spend countless hours engineering, designing, manufacturing and in turn, selling parts for 8bit and 16bit machines. WTF man.

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  • From mseifert@77:1/170 to Shitty on Sat Feb 6 12:06:05 2021
    Quoting Shitty, who said to All <-(:

    Are all BBS people insane?

    I will assume that, that's a retorical question, (sure sounds like it.)

    I've been a BBS guy for more than 30 years, and I've noticed that most
    (if not all of us) have something weird and/or fucky about them (myself included, of course!)

    Other than someone with a defect or two, who else would spend their time and money creating a place for people to come and play, communicate and gather? Only to have the visitors, asking for more or things you don't have, only to talk smack about you or your hard work. Me.. I'm that kind of Psycho.. (well.. I was when I was a Sysop!)

    Just yesterday, a friend of mine since childhood (at least 28 years) flipped the fuck out on me for supposedly "deleting his voting topic"
    and "restricting his access" to my BBS! He said "Lose my number!" What
    a fucking psycho? Then he blocked me on Facebook. I can hardly believe that happened. The dude has always been cool in the past (to me at
    least.)

    Could you imagine someone you know personally getting pissed at you for having a piece of shit bbs? lol I tried the voting booth and that shit works. I bet he failed to save it because my bbs uses mystic and mystic asks like "Are you sure you want to save this?" That, or maybe I
    restored from a backup one day and it was after he had already posted
    the topic.

    I don't know if he's to blame or not a lot of people lately, have become hyper-sensative, between being told to stay home and away from others.. I don't blame people.. I blame the frickin' pandemic for how unscrewed people have become. And sadly boys and girls we have at least another year or two of this before everyone is inoculated and allowed to gather publicly again. I feel sorry for the kids that will have grown up during the pandemic as their social interactions will be limited and THAT, will have a negative effect in 20 years or so.


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  • From Arelor@77:1/114 to mseifert on Sat Feb 6 13:50:46 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: mseifert to Shitty on Sat Feb 06 2021 12:06 pm

    before everyone is inoculated and allowed to gather publicly again. I feel sorry for the kids that will have grown up during the pandemic as their soci interactions will be limited and THAT, will have a negative effect in 20 yea or so.


    Meh, I wish something like this had stuck while I was a kid so I could have skipped a couple of years of presential school.

    Everybody talking about letting kids socialize as if it was always positive.

    I have bad news: social interaction with random people may also get people involved with the wrong sort of group. I know the standard answer is "Kids need to meet the sucky individuals to grow too" which is fine, but if your kid is put to pressure he may have to turn into something you would not like in order not to break.

    School shootings are popular for a bunch or reasons. I think one of the reasons is that schools are great at making certains sorts of people break.

    Sorry for the pseudo-rant but this subject makes me boil.

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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to SHITTY on Sat Feb 6 10:50:00 2021
    I've been a BBS guy for more than 30 years, and I've noticed that most (if not
    all of us) have something weird and/or fucky about them (myself included, of course!)

    There are a few bent nails in the box for sure.

    Just yesterday, a friend of mine since childhood (at least 28 years) flipped the fuck out on me for supposedly "deleting his voting topic" and "restricting
    his access" to my BBS! He said "Lose my number!" What a fucking psycho? Then h
    blocked me on Facebook. I can hardly believe that happened. The dude has always been cool in the past (to me at least.)

    I am not sure but there is something about this social media era we are in
    that seems to make people trigger a lot easier. At least they seem to. I
    have been using BBSes since the late '80's and it seems worse now. There
    were always a few crazies... maybe the crazies are just the only ones who
    stuck around?

    It blew my mind to have someone do that to me. Some of these motherfuckers out
    there are REALLY fucked in the head! I only wish it wasn't a guy from my hometown!

    Indeed. The craziest people I have run into on the BBS in recent years
    have luckily been out of state and maybe out of country.


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  • From jack phlash@77:1/911 to Netsurge on Sat Feb 6 18:11:23 2021
    on 06 Feb 2021, Netsurge said...

    I have already apologized to you a million times. Geesh.

    Ha! :P

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  • From jack phlash@77:1/911 to Dream Master on Sat Feb 6 18:15:14 2021
    on 06 Feb 2021, Dream Master said...

    I think we are all a little "touched" in the head. We find technology from the 80s and early 90s intriguing and are tired of technologies such as Facebook and Twitter that remove some of the fun we once had.

    More than that, I've wondered if some of the BBS scene people I've known that that seemed seriously "touched" were more genuinely stuck in the past in an actually deliberating way than simply overly nostalgic.

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  • From Atreyu@77:1/103 to Jack Phlash on Sun Feb 7 00:12:18 2021
    On 06 Feb 21 18:15:14, Jack Phlash said the following to Dream Master:

    I think we are all a little "touched" in the head. We find technology from the 80s and early 90s intriguing and are tired of technologies su as Facebook and Twitter that remove some of the fun we once had.

    More than that, I've wondered if some of the BBS scene people I've known th that seemed seriously "touched" were more genuinely stuck in the past in an

    I "touched" myself last night in a nostalgic way for some momentary enjoyment.

    Atreyu

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  • From mseifert@77:1/170 to Arelor on Sat Feb 6 19:53:07 2021
    Quoting Arelor, who said to mseifert <-(:

    Meh, I wish something like this had stuck while I was a kid so I could have skipped a couple of years of presential school.

    Everybody talking about letting kids socialize as if it was always positive.

    I have bad news: social interaction with random people may also get
    people involved with the wrong sort of group. I know the standard
    answer is "Kids need to meet the sucky individuals to grow too" which
    is fine, but if your kid is put to pressure he may have to turn into something you would not like in order not to break.

    School shootings are popular for a bunch or reasons. I think one of the reasons is that schools are great at making certains sorts of people break.

    Sorry for the pseudo-rant but this subject makes me boil.

    Hey, I get it.. I was both a victim of peer pressure and bullyinhg as a kid but, all in all the friendships I did make in those years have made it all worth while. The people who negatively impacted you are probably people who didn't have solid social interactions when growing up. (I am not defending or excusing their actions.) One of the bullies I had to endure was the son of a wife beating a-hole. I feel sorry for him now, and how I handled him in the end, but I do see you side.. and I still worry about how this pandemic will effect the kids who become aware (2-3 years old) during it.. maybe they'll be fine.. maybe not.


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  • From Arelor@77:1/114 to mseifert on Sun Feb 7 09:14:43 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: mseifert to Arelor on Sat Feb 06 2021 07:53 pm

    Hey, I get it.. I was both a victim of peer pressure and bullyinhg as a kid but, all in all the friendships I did make in those years have made it all worth while. The people who negatively impacted you are probably people who didn't have solid social interactions when growing up. (I am not defending o excusing their actions.) One of the bullies I had to endure was the son of wife beating a-hole. I feel sorry for him now, and how I handled him in the end, but I do see you side.. and I still worry about how this pandemic will effect the kids who become aware (2-3 years old) during it.. maybe they'll b fine.. maybe not.

    There is this idea that mean people is mean because they lack a solid social foundation.

    I don't buy that theory.

    People reaffirms their group identity by both scoring points within their own social group and trashing outsiders. Kids are no different. If there is group with a heavy identity (think "gang like") they are going to have a solid social network (the gang) and their mean actions are going to be driven by the fact they are acceptable for the gang.

    You can see this principle at work in the workplace for that matter.

    I have a bit of a problem when people starts worrying their kids are not going to socialize because oftentimes, this people is the sort of people who believes that educating kids means letting "society" educate them. Which means letting them loose in the school or park to their own whims. Let's face it, parents have been waaaay more lazy than they used to be in the 90s. They want a well-behaved kid without having to put work into it so they delude themselves into thinking "the system" will do the work for them.

    Then kid goes back home with a stab wound because he pushed some nerd past the breaking point or whatever, and it is deemed society's failure.

    Geeeeez, modern schools make me long for General Franco's military camps for kids.



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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to ARELOR on Sun Feb 7 10:40:00 2021
    School shootings are popular for a bunch or reasons. I think one of the reasons
    is that schools are great at making certains sorts of people break.

    Or they are also good at not dealing with kids that are obvious trouble
    makers. Some of the kids that wind up doing that are quiet and never in trouble, yes, but others (like the one in Florida 2-3 years ago) were a constant source of problems and were known to local law enforcement.


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  • From jack phlash@77:1/911 to Atreyu on Sun Feb 7 12:35:24 2021
    on 07 Feb 2021, Atreyu said...

    I "touched" myself last night in a nostalgic way for some momentary enjoyment.

    That stash of old 80s Hustler mags still paying dividends, eh?

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  • From Arelor@77:1/114 to Dumas Walker on Sun Feb 7 16:29:45 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: Dumas Walker to ARELOR on Sun Feb 07 2021 10:40 am

    School shootings are popular for a bunch or reasons. I think one of the reasons
    is that schools are great at making certains sorts of people break.

    Or they are also good at not dealing with kids that are obvious trouble makers. Some of the kids that wind up doing that are quiet and never in trouble, yes, but others (like the one in Florida 2-3 years ago) were a constant source of problems and were known to local law enforcement.


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    Come to think of it, schools are really bad at dealing with troublemakers, so you have a point there.

    It reminds me of this case in an Australian school where every kid was bullying this big chubby guy, everybody knew it, and nobody ever did anything about it.

    Until something cracked and Big Chubby Guy smashed the guy on the floor with extreme prejudice and it made the news.

    And Mr. Smashed guy still had the guts to say he didn't repent for bullying the big guy in front of the camera.

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  • From Atreyu@77:1/103 to Jack Phlash on Sun Feb 7 18:20:55 2021
    On 07 Feb 21 12:35:24, Jack Phlash said the following to Atreyu:

    I "touched" myself last night in a nostalgic way for some momentary enjoyment.

    That stash of old 80s Hustler mags still paying dividends, eh?

    And the nice thing is that the stash was borrowed... I'm a classy guy.

    Atreyu

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  • From paulie420@77:1/158 to mseifert on Sun Feb 7 11:12:08 2021
    I don't know if he's to blame or not a lot of people lately, have become hyper-sensative, between being told to stay home and away from others..
    I don't blame people.. I blame the frickin' pandemic for how unscrewed people have become. And sadly boys and girls we have at least another year or two of this before everyone is inoculated and allowed to gather publicly again. I feel sorry for the kids that will have grown up
    during the pandemic as their social interactions will be limited and
    THAT, will have a negative effect in 20 years or so.

    I hate to say it, and while I agree with the result you're speaking of, I think that CELL PHONES, FaceBook, Instagram, TikTok, etc etc etc are much more damaging that this pandemic has been, on our children.

    Technology is the real monster in the closet... and thats where my disconnect to it has mainly lived over the past 5 years or so. What we're 'giving' our kids access to is really taking away from society. IMO.

    The pandemic, while bad, pales in comparison.



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  • From Arelor@77:1/114 to paulie420 on Sun Feb 7 20:05:10 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: paulie420 to mseifert on Sun Feb 07 2021 11:12 am

    I don't know if he's to blame or not a lot of people lately, have becom hyper-sensative, between being told to stay home and away from others.. I don't blame people.. I blame the frickin' pandemic for how unscrewed people have become. And sadly boys and girls we have at least another year or two of this before everyone is inoculated and allowed to gather publicly again. I feel sorry for the kids that will have grown up during the pandemic as their social interactions will be limited and THAT, will have a negative effect in 20 years or so.

    I hate to say it, and while I agree with the result you're speaking of, I th that CELL PHONES, FaceBook, Instagram, TikTok, etc etc etc are much more damaging that this pandemic has been, on our children.

    Technology is the real monster in the closet... and thats where my disconnec to it has mainly lived over the past 5 years or so. What we're 'giving' our kids access to is really taking away from society. IMO.

    The pandemic, while bad, pales in comparison.



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  • From jokker@77:1/100 to Atreyu on Mon Feb 8 08:38:20 2021
    That stash of old 80s Hustler mags still paying dividends, eh?

    And the nice thing is that the stash was borrowed... I'm a classy guy.


    Makes sense, it's like having a built in recommendation system.

    "ooooh 3 stuck pages, this is a good one! <unzip>"

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  • From ryan@77:1/128 to paulie420 on Mon Feb 8 08:46:45 2021
    I hate to say it, and while I agree with the result you're speaking of,
    I think
    that CELL PHONES, FaceBook, Instagram, TikTok, etc etc etc are much more damaging that this pandemic has been, on our children.

    Perhaps you're onto something here, but it's also like being mad at the water for being wet. We can't retrograde technology just to make childhoods better. This is just the new normal. And not for nothin', but your post has a bit of that age-suppressing-youth thing that happens to every generation where the folks of parenting age grouse about what the kids are up to these days.

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  • From jack phlash@77:1/911 to ryan on Mon Feb 8 11:35:47 2021
    on 08 Feb 2021, ryan said...

    Perhaps you're onto something here, but it's also like being mad at the water for being wet. We can't retrograde technology just to make childhoods better. This is just the new normal. And not for nothin', but your post has a bit of that age-suppressing-youth thing that happens to every generation where the folks of parenting age grouse about what the kids are up to these days.

    Yep, which is especially funny since a huge portion of the people involved in the BBS scene these days are here because they were highly dedicated to
    fucking off "online" when they were younger. Sure, it was different, BBSes
    and IRC weren't "social media" but how many of us had our childhoods ruined because of it?

    *remembers the original posts that started this thread*

    Oh yeah, right... ;)

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  • From Bob Roberts@77:1/200 to ryan on Mon Feb 8 12:20:54 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: ryan to paulie420 on Mon Feb 08 2021 08:46 am

    I hate to say it, and while I agree with the result you're speaking
    of, I think
    that CELL PHONES, FaceBook, Instagram, TikTok, etc etc etc are much
    more damaging that this pandemic has been, on our children.

    Perhaps you're onto something here, but it's also like being mad at the water for being wet. We can't retrograde technology just to make childhoods better. This is just the new normal. And not for nothin', but your post has a bit of that age-suppressing-youth thing that happens to every generation where the folks of parenting age grouse about what the kids are up to these days.

    I agree. All the things Paulie mentioned have parental controls. If one thinks they are ruining their children's lives, one just needs to use the management tools available. Or better yet, educate children about the perils of the internet and society. Talk to them, frequently, Find out whats going on in their lives.

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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to ARELOR on Mon Feb 8 14:30:00 2021
    And Mr. Smashed guy still had the guts to say he didn't repent for bullying the
    big guy in front of the camera.

    Kids that age who don't learn their lessons are on their way to being
    adults who don't learn, either.


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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to PAULIE420 on Mon Feb 8 15:13:00 2021
    I hate to say it, and while I agree with the result you're speaking of, I think
    that CELL PHONES, FaceBook, Instagram, TikTok, etc etc etc are much more damagi
    g that this pandemic has been, on our children.

    I agree.

    Technology is the real monster in the closet... and thats where my disconnect t
    it has mainly lived over the past 5 years or so. What we're 'giving' our kids a
    ccess to is really taking away from society. IMO.

    Technology was supposed to make things easier. While I am sure it has made many things easier, being a parent isn't one of them. Used to be you could teach kids not to talk to in person strangers. Now they could be sitting
    right next to you talking to one on their phone and you'd never know it.


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  • From paulie420@77:1/158 to Arelor on Mon Feb 8 17:18:08 2021
    Technology is the real monster in the closet... and thats where my disc to it has mainly lived over the past 5 years or so. What we're 'giving' kids access to is really taking away from society. IMO.

    The pandemic, while bad, pales in comparison.

    I wanted to upvote your comment, but this area does not support it. Instead, I am going to post a message telling you to consider yourself upvoted.

    I can appreciate that, especially coming from you... the sad bit is that no one wins... upvotes are much less cool than our children having rich, rewarding relationships - but I think you already agree with that sentiment.

    Its really a mess. And sad that we even sold out our tech.



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  • From paulie420@77:1/158 to ryan on Mon Feb 8 17:30:12 2021
    I think
    that CELL PHONES, FaceBook, Instagram, TikTok, etc etc etc are much m damaging that this pandemic has been, on our children.

    Perhaps you're onto something here, but it's also like being mad at the water for being wet. We can't retrograde technology just to make childhoods better. This is just the new normal. And not for nothin', but your post has a bit of that age-suppressing-youth thing that happens to every generation where the folks of parenting age grouse about what the kids are up to these days.

    So... I can agree with the ending idea, that we'll always 'hate those damn black leather jackets' - but its hard to see a point to be made that the social medias, and that entire ball of wax isn't a gross negligence of both our jobs as parents - AND what should be our jobs as technologists. What I mean is... well, maybe I should state that - I completely agree that 'technology' is great for out society, even our children.. this is the first generation that has the world in their pockets, but I'm much more speaking about the socials than the hardware.

    And those socials man, *IMO* its like undeniable that our kids are getting dulled down to the world, sold a way of life that just - isn't real and its taking up vast majorities of their normal childhoods; kids are supposed to have real, genuine relationships - of all sorts... and in this day and age, they simply DON'T.

    Tik-Tok, Facebook, Instagrams, Whatapps, Signals to hide the BFs from mom, etc etc etc - My son had pot in PDX before he got off the airplane. He's 16. Rah technology... I live in a tiny town 30 miles north of PDX - he had that good good waiting for him @ the park next to my house...

    My daughter, who's 10 and I'm aware that WE should parent to this end and make sure she isn't - but I dunno if you have a 10 year old; it ain't flipping happening. (Not you having a 10 year old, but being able to control this marraige to unhealthy tech that start at age... 0.)

    I do hear ya, Ryan. And I love technology... but really, we sold out to the highest bidder and its only about the benjammins... it is NOT about bettering society.

    And neither was 'punk rock'... so. I hear ya. This is a big one, tho.... right; so was gay rights. Touche.



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  • From paulie420@77:1/158 to jack phlash on Mon Feb 8 17:32:33 2021
    Yep, which is especially funny since a huge portion of the people
    involved in the BBS scene these days are here because they were highly dedicated to fucking off "online" when they were younger. Sure, it was different, BBSes and IRC weren't "social media" but how many of us had
    our childhoods ruined because of it?

    Ugh, me three.... :P I hear ya. And yea.. I was wrapped up in using tech to be a baddie...

    Hmmm. I hate ya'll for showing me my age so prominently.



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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to jack phlash on Mon Feb 8 22:43:20 2021
    Yep, which is especially funny since a huge portion of the people
    involved inthe BBS scene these days are here because they were highly dedicated tofucking off "online" when they were younger. Sure, it was different, BBSesand IRC weren't "social media" but how many of us had
    our childhoods ruinedbecause of it?

    True, but it provided a balance of sorts. In order to "fuck off" online in the 80s and 90s you had to do so at home, in front of a computer that required a big ass tubed display and a physical phone line. The second you stepped away from that you couldn't "fuck off" any more. I played sports, hung out with my friends and when I was home, I was online.

    Today, people have access to social media all the time everywhere. Fuck me, I read my twitter feed on my watch for the love of God.

    I also remember when taking a shit involved having a physical copy of CU Amiga or Amiga Format. The good old days.

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  • From ryan@77:1/128 to jack phlash on Mon Feb 8 20:14:19 2021
    Yep, which is especially funny since a huge portion of the people
    involved in the BBS scene these days are here because they were highly dedicated to fucking off "online" when they were younger. Sure, it was different, BBSes and IRC weren't "social media" but how many of us had
    our childhoods ruined because of it?

    I mean, I was totally downloading porn jpegs at 11 years old and corrupting
    all my friends. We all turned out fine (aside from the ones that died or went to jail).

    :D

    *remembers the original posts that started this thread*

    Oh yeah, right... ;)

    Hah!

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  • From ryan@77:1/128 to Bob Roberts on Mon Feb 8 20:16:06 2021
    I agree. All the things Paulie mentioned have parental controls. If one thinks they are ruining their children's lives, one just needs to use the management tools available. Or better yet, educate children about the perils of the internet and society. Talk to them, frequently, Find out whats going on in their lives.

    I honestly think the kids do better than the parents with the tech these
    days. Baby boomers (no offense to any here, this isn't intended to offend,
    it's just data) have a much higher propensity of sharing misinformation on social media and not knowing how to differentiate between fact and fiction.

    So I guess I'm saying, on the contrary, smartphones and facebook whether we like it or not is the soup we're gonna have to swim in, so kids learning this early and effectively is probably ... helpful. :P

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  • From ryan@77:1/128 to paulie420 on Mon Feb 8 20:22:40 2021
    So... I can agree with the ending idea, that we'll always 'hate those
    damn black leather jackets' - but its hard to see a point to be made
    that the social medias, and that entire ball of wax isn't a gross negligence of both our jobs as parents - AND what should be our jobs as technologists. What I mean is... well, maybe I should state that - I completely agree that 'technology' is great for out society, even our children.. this is the first generation that has the world in their pockets, but I'm much more speaking about the socials than the hardware.

    I hear what you're saying, I do, but...when I was a kid, in the 90s, Marylin Manson and NiN and violent video games were supposed to have turned us all
    into murderous fiends. Porn was supposed to turn us all into AIDS infected sexpots.

    My generation is the one that changed the trend of promiscuous sexual
    activity to actually /decrease/ over time. Violence /decreased/ in spite of
    all the ills of man invading our homes.

    So I'd say that these things never prove as toxic as we think. :) And it's probably the older generation's prerogative to point out the things they
    think will happen due to new technological evils, but...again, historically, these issues are pretty unfounded.

    And those socials man, *IMO* its like undeniable that our kids are
    getting dulled down to the world, sold a way of life that just - isn't real and its taking up vast majorities of their normal childhoods; kids are supposed to have real, genuine relationships - of all sorts... and
    in this day and age, they simply DON'T.

    Kids are less violent, less promiscuous, they don't smoke, they have much higher degrees of empathy than generations past, they are less racist/sexist/transphobic, bullying is tolerated less than ever...I guess I look at the benefits. Yeah, they're stuck on their phones all day. Oh well. When we were growing up they were on their landline phones all day; it was a freaking meme, the high school girl on the phone.

    I guess I just respectfully disagree. It's not a bad thing, it's just a different thing. And there are pluses and minuses.

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  • From ryan@77:1/128 to Netsurge on Mon Feb 8 20:24:54 2021
    Today, people have access to social media all the time everywhere. Fuck me, I read my twitter feed on my watch for the love of God.

    This reminds me of something interesting. Initially, FB was just for nerdy college kids from prestigious schools. Eventually it trickled around college campuses and it was still somewhat a nerdy thing to be involved in.

    The misinformation/disinformation stuff that permeates social media platforms seems to directly correlate to the normalization of these platforms for
    (gasp) stupid people. We've lowered the tech bar for access to these systems, and we shouldn't be surprised the collective IQ of these platforms has cratered.

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  • From Arelor@77:1/114 to Dumas Walker on Tue Feb 9 03:33:43 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: Dumas Walker to ARELOR on Mon Feb 08 2021 02:30 pm

    And Mr. Smashed guy still had the guts to say he didn't repent for bullying the
    big guy in front of the camera.

    Kids that age who don't learn their lessons are on their way to being
    adults who don't learn, either.


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    Yeah, pretty much.

    A bunch of my school mates ended up in prison, dead or otherwise screwed up less than 12 years after I was out of high school.

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  • From Arelor@77:1/114 to paulie420 on Tue Feb 9 03:49:09 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: paulie420 to ryan on Mon Feb 08 2021 05:30 pm

    And those socials man, *IMO* its like undeniable that our kids are getting dulled down to the world, sold a way of life that
    just - isn't real and its taking up vast majorities of their normal childhoods; kids are supposed to have real, genuine
    relationships - of all sorts... and in this day and age, they simply DON'T.

    I think some online relationships are more real than people gives them credit for. In the BBS scene, you keep hearing about how
    cool it was to have meetings with BBS buddies you had met in Fido, and share some beers. I think that when you have a long,
    standing professional or hobby related relation with a group of people, this relationship can be as strong as the one you may
    keep with presential friends.

    I mean, I have exchanged Christmas gifts with people I have never met in person, and I can't remember the last time a
    presential friend ever made me a Christmas gift.

    The real problem with perpetual digital social connectivity is that social interactions get heavily devaluated. This is a
    conversation I have sustained somewhere else.

    Here is the thing. The average connected person is part of a gazillion Whatsapp, Telegram, Facebook and whatever have you
    groups. All of those groups are pumping up conversations day and night. The average connected person wakes up, checks the phone
    and finds hundreds of unread messages.

    That is more social interaction than a person can manage. For practical purposes, social interaction is in a limitless supply.

    When something is in a limitless supply, it is unlimitiledly worthless.

    This is a problem because when you try to talk to some person, you are just one more "message" in his feed. Even (and this is
    important) if you are a presential social interaction instead of an online one. Surely you alla re familiar with "Phubbing",
    the practice of ignoring people who is sitting around you because you are too busy dealing with your smartphone. Well, the
    reason is this: the social interaction provided by presential people is worth so little that sometimes you may as well switch
    so a digital interaction - which is every bit as real in a lot of cases.

    We have succeeded in devaluating ourselves into nothingness.

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  • From ryan@77:1/128 to Arelor on Tue Feb 9 02:53:02 2021
    Yeah, pretty much.

    A bunch of my school mates ended up in prison, dead or otherwise screwed up less than 12 years after I was out of high school.

    Same here. The difference between me and many of those guys was that I grew
    up in a world where my parents cared enough to discipline me and I learned early on about consequences.

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  • From Dream Master@77:1/166 to Netsurge on Tue Feb 9 10:09:00 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: Netsurge to jack phlash on Mon Feb 08 2021 10:43 pm

    True, but it provided a balance of sorts. In order to "fuck off" online in the 80s and 90s you had to do so at home, in front of a computer that required a big ass tubed display and a physical phone line. The second you stepped away from that you couldn't "fuck off" any more. I played sports, hung out with my friends and when I was home, I was online.

    Looking back at the 80s and 90s, I remember going to BBS meet-ups and thinking we were all "hot shit" because we had the computers, we had the skills, we weren't the low life scum that occuppied the rest of the bar or restaurant. Anyway, looking back, how foolish. My non-computer peers of the 80s and 90s now have computers and cellphones and they can live in a world thinking everything is fine and dandy.

    Today, people have access to social media all the time everywhere. Fuck me, I read my twitter feed on my watch for the love of God.

    Twitter on the watch, that's too much. I had to turn that off as I was getting naked chick feeds coming into it at the most inappropriate times.

    I also remember when taking a shit involved having a physical copy of CU Amiga or Amiga Format. The good old days.

    I still subscribe to Wired magazine. Sadly, I'd rather pull out my phone instead and read the articles there. At least with my phone I can increase the font size as my vision is shit without my glasses.

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  • From Dream Master@77:1/166 to ryan on Tue Feb 9 10:12:45 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: ryan to jack phlash on Mon Feb 08 2021 08:14 pm

    I mean, I was totally downloading porn jpegs at 11 years old and corrupting all my friends. We all turned out fine (aside from the ones that died or went to jail).

    I remember having a couple hundred megs of JPEGs of porn on my BBS. I'd have to know the person IRL to have access to it else I'd be afraid they'd tell my parents (mind you, I was 14 through 16 at the time). I knew one guy whose parents were pretty well off and they got him a couple WORM drives. He stashed all his porn and warez on it and would put it online. Even at 14.4Kbps or 16.8Kbps it still took forever to leach off of him.

    Oh, and those that died, too many BBSers of my youth have passed. Some got stuck in the 80s and 90s and didn't know how to escape. I feel bad for them and their families but look at the world now...people are still getting stuck in horrible ruts causing them to off themselves. It's sad.

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  • From Dream Master@77:1/166 to ryan on Tue Feb 9 10:21:07 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: ryan to paulie420 on Mon Feb 08 2021 08:22 pm

    Kids are less violent, less promiscuous, they don't smoke, they have much higher degrees of empathy than generations past, they are less racist/sexist/transphobic, bullying is tolerated less than ever...I guess I look at the benefits. Yeah, they're stuck on their phones all day. Oh well. When we were growing up they were on their landline phones all day; it was a freaking meme, the high school girl on the phone.

    I guess I just respectfully disagree. It's not a bad thing, it's just a different thing. And there are pluses and minuses.

    I was going to quote your whole message but opted against it because these two paragraphs sum everything up quite well and how I'd like to respond.

    I am a child of the 80s and early 90s. We would get into fist fights for the stupidest things. I was almost a parent at 16. If you got hurt, I'd usually laugh. Racism was all over my family and God forbid if you were gay or trans. Bullying, well, we tried to not bully but we did anyway.

    Looking back, I really wonder how our generation survived. Maybe that explains why there is a massive divide between those that grew beyond and those who stayed behind. My children would rather not fight and are actually good at talking with their peers and friends. Whenever they've got into a fight, though, they usually end up winning. My children are definitely afraid of getting pregnant--not because my wife and I are against it, they just don't want to deal with another child in the house (I have four children). When someone gets hurt in the house or amongst their friends, they are the first to offer a hand, take care of each other, and make sure everything is okay. Racism doesn't exist. Sexism and identity don't exist with them. It's amazing. Bullying, hell, my youngest son sticks up for the little guy.

    What did we do different with our children? Or, maybe I should write that as, "What did I do right with my children?" We taught our children to listen, to care, to love, and to laugh. They may be stuck on their phones all day but they are a hell of a lot better than we were at that age. I am hopeful that my children will continue to grow up to be amazing members of society.

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  • From Dream Master@77:1/166 to ryan on Tue Feb 9 10:24:40 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: ryan to Netsurge on Mon Feb 08 2021 08:24 pm

    The misinformation/disinformation stuff that permeates social media platforms seems to directly correlate to the normalization of these platforms for (gasp) stupid people. We've lowered the tech bar for access to these systems, and we shouldn't be surprised the collective IQ of these platforms has cratered.

    UNIX & DOS - back when we were younger, you were considered a nerd.

    Windows & MacOS - helped bring in more people and normalize home computers.

    If it wasn't for the adoption of newer technology, I believe we would still be in the tech darkages. You're completely right, though. As more people get online, the more we invite a less intelligent populace onto the platforms. Making it easy made it simple for everyone.

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  • From Dream Master@77:1/166 to ryan on Tue Feb 9 10:28:54 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: ryan to Arelor on Tue Feb 09 2021 02:53 am

    Same here. The difference between me and many of those guys was that I grew up in a world where my parents cared enough to discipline me and I learned early on about consequences.

    The term "disappointed" was not one of my favorites my father would use. After I knocked up a girlfriend of mine at 16, he used that word. It royally screwed me up and I stopped to think more frequently before acting.

    Today, my oldest son has heard me use the word "disappointed" once. The rest of my children have never heard it. After being disappointed in my oldest, he turned around and started making better choices.

    Interesting--consequences. Wow.

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  • From jack phlash@77:1/911 to paulie420 on Tue Feb 9 09:41:29 2021
    on 08 Feb 2021, paulie420 said...

    Ugh, me three.... :P I hear ya. And yea.. I was wrapped up in using tech to be a baddie...

    Hmmm. I hate ya'll for showing me my age so prominently.

    Yeah, though your reply to Ryan was on point, so forgive my knee jerk reaction to comments like these being to roll my eyes at the old men yelling at the clouds. That's no reason to disregard genuine concerns and criticisms, and there's plenty to criticize about social media even if I ultimately find
    myself siding with Ryan and Dream Master more in this discussion.

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  • From ryan@77:1/128 to Dream Master on Tue Feb 9 11:46:50 2021
    I am a child of the 80s and early 90s. We would get into fist fights
    for the stupidest things. I was almost a parent at 16. If you got
    hurt, I'd usually laugh. Racism was all over my family and God forbid
    if you were gay or trans. Bullying, well, we tried to not bully but we
    did anyway.

    This sums up my childhood to a T.

    You know, I was watching the old early 90s Kid N Play film (which was really for kids) called "House Party" and it's crazy to see how commonplace
    homophobia was. Like, the punchline of every single insult was to suggest someone else was gay. Insanity.

    Looking back, I really wonder how our generation survived. Maybe that

    Yeah, I'm with you. I'm really interested to read a history book in 50 years and get a hot take from an actual researcher or historian because I can't
    wrap my head around it. We were a bunch of assholes.

    What did we do different with our children? Or, maybe I should write
    that as, "What did I do right with my children?" We taught our children to listen, to care, to love, and to laugh. They may be stuck on their phones all day but they are a hell of a lot better than we were at that age. I am hopeful that my children will continue to grow up to be
    amazing members of society.

    I think it's probably a lot of this but on the whole, society changed because of technology. And as much as we want to be mad that kids are stuck in their phones all day, we should acknowledge that there are some benefits :)

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  • From ryan@77:1/128 to Dream Master on Tue Feb 9 11:47:59 2021
    If it wasn't for the adoption of newer technology, I believe we would still be in the tech darkages. You're completely right, though. As
    more people get online, the more we invite a less intelligent populace onto the platforms. Making it easy made it simple for everyone.

    It's funny to me that the democracy of ideas doesn't work when there are so many unintelligent people believing the normalization of these platforms
    means they have great ideas. Eh, that's a shitty worded sentence, but I think you probably catch my drift.

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  • From ryan@77:1/128 to Dream Master on Tue Feb 9 11:49:57 2021
    The term "disappointed" was not one of my favorites my father would use. After I knocked up a girlfriend of mine at 16, he used that word. It royally screwed me up and I stopped to think more frequently before acting.

    When I had a scare once (turns out I can't have kids so she was cheating. Whore!) my dad had a chat with me where he said people screw up, and it's ok
    to screw up, but always be cautious of making one stupid decision in the heat of passion that could change my entire life.

    That's not to say having a kid is a screw up, nor is it a knock against your
    or your family. I just think, in retrospect, it was a very profound thing he told me which I've referenced throughout my life since.

    Today, my oldest son has heard me use the word "disappointed" once. The rest of my children have never heard it. After being disappointed in my oldest, he turned around and started making better choices.

    Yeah. And it's not anger influencing him, or fear. It's the true consequence
    of disappointing those you love. It's powerful.

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  • From ryan@77:1/128 to jack phlash on Tue Feb 9 11:51:00 2021
    Yeah, though your reply to Ryan was on point, so forgive my knee jerk reaction to comments like these being to roll my eyes at the old men yelling at the clouds. That's no reason to disregard genuine concerns
    and criticisms, and there's plenty to criticize about social media even
    if I ultimately find myself siding with Ryan and Dream Master more in
    this discussion.

    Plus one to this - I have a tendency to be abrasive, it's a habit I'm trying
    to break, but I don't disagree with the "those damn kids" perspective
    entirely. I just spend my energy giving my main perspective is all :)

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  • From Shitty@77:1/142 to jack phlash on Fri Feb 5 22:14:19 2021
    Are all BBS people insane?

    Ha! I've actually wondered this many times over the years...

    I could give some pretty compelling examples, but I don't want to drag

    I won't do that either. My old friend who turned on me had probably developed some mental illness during the years that we spent disconnected. I was shocked by the way he talked to me but you make a good point - must be mental illness, and I wish the guy the best.

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  • From Shitty@77:1/142 to paulie420 on Sat Feb 6 10:52:40 2021
    Fuck you, Shitty- you suck.

    Insane BBS person #99, thank you for your feedback. :)

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  • From Shitty@77:1/142 to Arelor on Sat Feb 6 12:21:30 2021
    If anything good can be said of this tech, is that it shows you which people is worth keeping around and which people deserves to be taken out and shot.

    I usually cut people out of my life after the first time they fuck me around, but this guy was a friend of mine since I was about 14, and I didn't want it
    to go that way.

    I hooked this dude up with my wife's hot friend, he took her to dinner, and then hid in the men's room when the waiter brought the check! This is after he short-changed me on weed twice. So I'm crazy for giving him so many chances to not be a dick.

    aggresion. Maybe it is stupid, but some people take being blocked very seriously. As if you had stolen their dog or something.

    You're right! People take it way too seriously. I don't care that he blocked me on facebook, but it's incredible that all this is over "restricted" access on some stupid BBS.

    Another sysop was running a chat server, and this dude came and logged on to
    my BBS when I had that on the main menu. But then the other sysop shut the server down, so I removed the menu option from my BBS. Then my old pal logged in again and had a cow (I assume) because it looked like I was hiding the chat from him.

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  • From Shitty@77:1/142 to Dream Master on Sat Feb 6 12:23:56 2021
    I think we are all a little "touched" in the head. We find technology

    Wow - it's getting scary how many of us agree with that statement!

    Okay, that's a little weird. You'd think your friend would've picked up the phone and called you before something like that would've happened.

    Yea! He had my # too. I was just on the phone with him like 2 weeks prior.

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  • From Shitty@77:1/142 to mseifert on Sat Feb 6 19:50:09 2021
    don't have, only to talk smack about you or your hard work. Me.. I'm
    that kind of Psycho.. (well.. I was when I was a Sysop!)

    You can't put 2 insane people in a room together for too long.

    I don't blame people.. I blame the frickin' pandemic for how unscrewed people have become. And sadly boys and girls we have at least another

    Have you seen people outside the BBS world acting crazy too? I haven't seen it because I hardly leave the house. But there have been news reports of a lot of insane stuff happening during the past year.

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  • From Shitty@77:1/142 to Dumas Walker on Sat Feb 6 20:10:58 2021
    now. There were always a few crazies... maybe the crazies are just the only ones who stuck around?

    Obviously we have a fun little nerdy community here, and it's sorta exciting
    to see BBS software evolve so much, but we are putting on a big show for a small crowd. That's kinda insane - but on the bright side the BBS gives us something fun to do with our computers.

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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to JACK PHLASH on Tue Feb 9 16:34:00 2021
    Yep, which is especially funny since a huge portion of the people involved in the BBS scene these days are here because they were highly dedicated to fucking off "online" when they were younger. Sure, it was different, BBSes and IRC weren't "social media" but how many of us had our childhoods ruined because of it?

    I probably would have spent more time outside which probably would have
    been better for me at a younger age. I might also not have seen IT as such
    a great career path... something that probably didn't ruin my childhood but certain would have been better for my adult mental health if I had not
    pursued it in my youth.


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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to BOB ROBERTS on Tue Feb 9 16:35:00 2021
    I agree. All the things Paulie mentioned have parental controls. If one think
    they are ruining their children's lives, one just needs to use the management t
    ools available. Or better yet, educate children about the perils of the intern
    t and society. Talk to them, frequently, Find out whats going on in their liv
    s.

    And no kids who are determined enough ever find their way around those, especially with technology that they know better than their parents do.


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  • From Night Stalker@77:1/148 to Shitty on Tue Feb 9 19:58:26 2021
    On Saturday February 06, 2021, Shitty said to Dumas Walker...

    Obviously we have a fun little nerdy community here, and it's sorta exciting to see BBS software evolve so much, but we are putting on a big show for a small crowd. That's kinda insane - but on the bright side the BBS gives us something fun to do with our computers.

    Then there are some of us that just randomly pick up old computers thinking 'that would make a pretty good BBS machine' .. not taking into consideration the 3 PC's you already have running some sort of BBS software at home lol

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  • From Dream Master@77:1/166 to ryan on Tue Feb 9 18:49:56 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: ryan to Dream Master on Tue Feb 09 2021 11:47 am

    It's funny to me that the democracy of ideas doesn't work when there are so many unintelligent people believing the normalization of these platforms means they have great ideas. Eh, that's a shitty worded sentence, but I think you probably catch my drift.

    I caught your drift.

    People don't know how to research. I know I'll get grief for that statement seeing that I am, as people on one side call it, a "leftie". Yes, I'm a liberal, let's all run for the hills now. Yet, I research almost everything I post on Facebook or other social platforms (BBSes, etc.). My research involves not just the normal sites (CNN, MSNBC, FOX, Politico, and The Atlantic) but also research papers, studies, and other material that supports or disputes the claim I'm trying to make. The problem with these platforms is that there are too many people out there who simply don't do the research and spout out whatever the hell comes to mind (or what they heard on a talk show).

    It needs to stop. Research, research, research, and research a little more.

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  • From ryan@77:1/128 to Dumas Walker on Wed Feb 10 00:16:33 2021
    And no kids who are determined enough ever find their way around those, especially with technology that they know better than their parents do.

    Can't say I'd ever pin cleverness as detrimental. *shrug*

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  • From ryan@77:1/128 to Dream Master on Wed Feb 10 00:20:17 2021
    People don't know how to research. I know I'll get grief for that statement seeing that I am, as people on one side call it, a "leftie". Yes, I'm a liberal, let's all run for the hills now. Yet, I research almost everything I post on Facebook or other social platforms (BBSes, etc.). My research involves
    not just the normal sites (CNN, MSNBC, FOX, Politico, and The Atlantic) but also research papers, studies, and other material that supports or disputes the
    claim I'm trying to make. The problem with these platforms is that
    there are too many people out there who simply don't do the research and spout out whatever the hell comes to mind (or what they heard on a talk show).

    In my opinion, distilling all of this down to the responsibility of news
    media to dictate to us what reality is misses the point. In the USA, there
    are very few true sources of information (vs countless sources of opinion or outrage validation rhetoric). However, we do have the entire world with a fairly transparent internationally accepted range of media sources that
    aren't selling some America-tainted narrative.

    I'd also suggest that people that feel vindicated by finding evidence on youtube that contradicts what the most educated people in a specific field
    put forth as factual results of research is a special kind of selfish
    paranoia, which unfortunately is in abundance around here. :(

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  • From Arelor@77:1/114 to Dumas Walker on Wed Feb 10 03:42:48 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: Dumas Walker to JACK PHLASH on Tue Feb 09 2021 04:34 pm

    Yep, which is especially funny since a huge portion of the people involved in the BBS scene these days are here because th
    were highly dedicated to fucking off "online" when they were younger. Sure, it was different, BBSes and IRC weren't "socia
    media" but how many of us had our childhoods ruined because of it?

    I probably would have spent more time outside which probably would have
    been better for me at a younger age. I might also not have seen IT as such a great career path... something that probably didn't ruin my childhood but certain would have been better for my adult ment
    health if I had not
    pursued it in my youth.


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    You never know.

    If I had integrated better with the kids at school I would have gained a meaningful social circle, and ended up being a loser,
    because integrating with the kids would have meant rejecting studies and getting involved in lots of not-good activities.

    Something I sorely miss in my life is the childhood contacts everybody seems to have but me. Most likely I would not have
    become a nerd - interestingly, nerdiness came after I learnt I hated everything and everybody, not before - and I would not
    have published my books nor struck any deal with a press publisher. So while I think I was denied the ability to build a social
    circle and learn the skills required to sustain one in modern times, I think I got ahead with the deal I got.

    Who knows, maybe I became a dog and horse dude because I neded to fill my life with company. Once again, if such is the case, I
    got a good deal out of it. :-P

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  • From Arelor@77:1/114 to ryan on Wed Feb 10 03:46:01 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: ryan to Dream Master on Wed Feb 10 2021 12:20 am

    In my opinion, distilling all of this down to the responsibility of news media to dictate to us what reality is misses the point. In the USA, there are very few true sources of information (vs countless sources of opinion or outrage validation rhetoric). However, we do ha
    the entire world with a fairly transparent internationally accepted range of media sources that
    aren't selling some America-tainted narrative.

    Something I learnt in the Libertarian party is that every news outlet is for sale.

    You may get some international media source that is not American-tainted, but it will be tainted nevertheless. The best you can
    do is choose the pollution you like the best.

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  • From mseifert@77:1/170 to paulie420 on Mon Feb 8 12:05:59 2021
    paulie420 said to mseifert <-

    I hate to say it, and while I agree with the result you're speaking of,
    I think that CELL PHONES, FaceBook, Instagram, TikTok, etc etc etc are much more damaging that this pandemic has been, on our children.

    Technology is the real monster in the closet... and thats where my disconnect to it has mainly lived over the past 5 years or so. What
    we're 'giving' our kids access to is really taking away from society.
    IMO.

    The pandemic, while bad, pales in comparison.

    I know that social media has been the major reason that people's attention spans are becoming shorter and shorter. I often see young kids and think I can't imagine all the cool things they'll see, I've seen cell phones, touch-tone phones, the internet, colour television, microwaves, automatic transmissions, electric cars, pacemakers, cloned sheep, 3d printers, home computers, dvds, cassettes, vhs tapes, digital cameras, driverless cars, and a lot of other things.. but I wonder just how much of it will be helpful to the and how much will make things worse for them.



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  • From Dream Master@77:1/166 to ryan on Wed Feb 10 09:31:28 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: ryan to Dream Master on Wed Feb 10 2021 12:20 am

    In my opinion, distilling all of this down to the responsibility of news media to dictate to us what reality is misses the point. In the USA, there are very few true sources of information (vs countless sources of opinion or outrage validation rhetoric). However, we do have the entire world with a fairly transparent internationally accepted range of media sources that aren't selling some America-tainted narrative.

    Agreed. The problem in America is the Fairness Doctrine that went out during the Reagan years. Trying to find reliable and properly conceived sources of information is becoming increasingly more difficult. Don't get me wrong, I love watching CNN and I keep CNN as one of my favorite bookmarks, but they aren't my only source of news and information. It isn't difficult to find bias in reports generated on CNN and other news sources.

    I'd also suggest that people that feel vindicated by finding evidence on youtube that contradicts what the most educated people in a specific field put forth as factual results of research is a special kind of selfish paranoia, which unfortunately is in abundance around here. :(

    There's a political historican named Heather Cox Richardson (https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com) who provides an insightful and fact-filled commentary on American politics. I've been reading her for some time and it provides me a basis for many things I write or comment on. When you read her, she cites her references throughout. I'll hit those and then follow links elsewhere to obtain the full story.

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  • From Dream Master@77:1/166 to Arelor on Wed Feb 10 09:40:34 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: Arelor to Dumas Walker on Wed Feb 10 2021 03:42 am

    If I had integrated better with the kids at school I would have gained a meaningful social circle, and ended up being a loser, because integrating with the kids would have meant rejecting studies and getting involved in lots of not-good activities.

    My social circle was all over the place. I entertained a whole group of friends and associates simply to ensure I knew what was going on. I partied. I drank. I screwed around with too many girls. Yet, I remained who I am. I was a nerd then or however you want to call it. People knew I loved working on computers and electronics but still kept me around... maybe for comic relief or to find out about everyone else.

    Life ... during high school ... is a strange time for everyone.

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  • From ryan@77:1/128 to Dream Master on Wed Feb 10 11:39:41 2021
    Agreed. The problem in America is the Fairness Doctrine that went out during the Reagan years. Trying to find reliable and properly conceived sources of information is becoming increasingly more difficult. Don't
    get me wrong, I love watching CNN and I keep CNN as one of my favorite bookmarks, but they aren't my only source of news and information. It isn't difficult to find bias in reports generated on CNN and other news sources.

    Indeed - it used to be when you saw the Bat Boy periodicals at the checkout line of your supermarket, you were smart enough to know it was bullshit. But now that the internet and 24/7 cable news frenzy has democratized outrageous peddling of garbage, people have lost that bs detection ability.

    There's a political historican named Heather Cox Richardson (https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com) who provides an insightful
    and fact-filled commentary on American politics. I've been reading her for some time and it provides me a basis for many things I write or comment on. When you read her, she cites her references throughout.
    I'll hit those and then follow links elsewhere to obtain the full story.

    Nice! I'll open a tab and after my hours of meetings look forwrad to having a good read. Thanks.

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  • From Arelor@77:1/114 to mseifert on Wed Feb 10 13:50:34 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: mseifert to paulie420 on Mon Feb 08 2021 12:05 pm

    paulie420 said to mseifert <-

    I hate to say it, and while I agree with the result you're speaking of, I think that CELL PHONES, FaceBook, Instagram, TikTok, etc etc etc are much more damaging that this pandemic has been, on our children.

    Technology is the real monster in the closet... and thats where my disconnect to it has mainly lived over the past 5 years or so. What we're 'giving' our kids access to is really taking away from society. IMO.

    The pandemic, while bad, pales in comparison.

    I know that social media has been the major reason that people's attention spans are becoming shorter and shorter. I often see young kids and think I can't imagine all the cool things they'll see, I've seen cell phones, touch-tone phones, the internet, colour television, microwaves, automatic transmissions, electric cars, pacemakers, cloned sheep, 3d printers, home computers, dvds, cassettes, vhs tapes, digital cameras, driverless cars, and lot of other things.. but I wonder just how much of it will be helpful to th and how much will make things worse for them.



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    Funny the subject pops up.

    I was thinking this morning that you cannot longer partake in social hobbies that require real dedication. Well, you can, but it is becoming harder.

    It links with a post I have just sent into some othernet.

    Back in the old days of roleplaying games, you could expect most players to know the rules of the game. The Game Master was the dude who had to do most of the hard work and know most of the rules, but he was one in a group of 5. The other players would know how their own characters worked and the rules linked to them.

    Now, you cannot expect that.

    My experience is that the Game Master ends up donig the same amount of work and rules management, but then most players don't bother learning the rules or knowing how their characters work. They show up to the game and expect the Game Master to take charge of most of that because they can't be bothered to read their power's descriptions.

    Then they get bored of the game and ask to play some other RPG.

    There is a study that modern RPG campaigns last 1.5 years tops. Meanwhile, old school players I know ran them for 9 to 15 years.

    People is no longer willing to put the slightiest ammount of work into their hobbies. They want it all spoon fed.

    So you can add to the list of things the youth is going to miss: hobbies that required actual work to be enjoyed :-)


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  • From Arelor@77:1/114 to Dream Master on Wed Feb 10 13:56:28 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: Dream Master to Arelor on Wed Feb 10 2021 09:40 am

    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: Arelor to Dumas Walker on Wed Feb 10 2021 03:42 am

    If I had integrated better with the kids at school I would have gained meaningful social circle, and ended up being a loser, because integrati with the kids would have meant rejecting studies and getting involved i lots of not-good activities.

    My social circle was all over the place. I entertained a whole group of friends and associates simply to ensure I knew what was going on. I partied I drank. I screwed around with too many girls. Yet, I remained who I am. was a nerd then or however you want to call it. People knew I loved working computers and electronics but still kept me around... maybe for comic relief to find out about everyone else.

    Life ... during high school ... is a strange time for everyone.

    Brian Klauss <-> Dream Master
    Caught in a Dream | caughtinadream.com a Synchronet BBS

    It is easy to remain who you are and attend to parties and get drunk if that fits your personality.

    Now imagine that what your social environment is asking from you is beating other kids because of... reasons. Being yourself becomes a harder thing to accomplish. It is only easy if being yourself is not contrary to beating other kids.


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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to SHITTY on Wed Feb 10 14:31:00 2021
    Obviously we have a fun little nerdy community here, and it's sorta exciting to see BBS software evolve so much, but we are putting on a big show for a small crowd. That's kinda insane - but on the bright side the BBS gives us something fun to do with our computers.

    There is definately the "big show for a small crowd" thing going on. I
    guess that could be considered some form of insanity. I cannot count the
    hours I spent setting up doors, message areas, etc., that rarely get used.
    On the other hand, if I'd not been doing that, I'd probably have been
    wasting that time on something else that likely would have lead to a whole
    lot more trouble than a door game. :)


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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to SHITTY on Wed Feb 10 14:51:00 2021
    I hooked this dude up with my wife's hot friend, he took her to dinner, and >then hid in the men's room when the waiter brought the check! This is after he >short-changed me on weed twice. So I'm crazy for giving him so many chances to >not be a dick.

    That could have really got you in hot water with the wife, and was a crap
    thing to do to the woman. Maybe it is a good thing he got lost.


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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to RYAN on Wed Feb 10 14:53:00 2021
    And no kids who are determined enough ever find their way around those, especially with technology that they know better than their parents do.

    Can't say I'd ever pin cleverness as detrimental. *shrug*

    Well if someone is expecting the parental controls to keep their kids out
    of trouble, it is likely going to be detrimental to someone (the kid or the parent) because it is only a temporary fix at best.


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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to RYAN on Wed Feb 10 15:32:00 2021
    In my opinion, distilling all of this down to the responsibility of news media to dictate to us what reality is misses the point. In the USA, there are very few true sources of information (vs countless sources of opinion or outrage validation rhetoric). However, we do have the entire world with a fairly transparent internationally accepted range of media sources that aren't selling some America-tainted narrative.

    I might be wrong, but my memory says that there are/have been recent non-US participants in the BBS nets who have pointed out that their own "international" media very much has a tainted or slanted narrative when it comes to what is going on here.

    Based on my experience with one, and only one, Canadian, I am very
    convinced the media must be pretty anti-US tainted in Canada's Pacific NW.


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  • From Dream Master@77:1/166 to Arelor on Wed Feb 10 20:14:53 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: Arelor to mseifert on Wed Feb 10 2021 01:50 pm

    People is no longer willing to put the slightiest ammount of work into their hobbies. They want it all spoon fed.

    My wife criticized me the other day for spending too much time on the computer.

    It wasn't a bad thing. She recognizes that I no longer work all night and instead work on the BBS and other techie BS.

    My sons, they play a lot of video games. They'll spend hours upon hours. Maybe they're onto something. :D

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  • From paulie420@77:1/158 to ryan on Wed Feb 10 10:39:19 2021
    So I'd say that these things never prove as toxic as we think. :) And
    it's probably the older generation's prerogative to point out the things they think will happen due to new technological evils, but...again, historically, these issues are pretty unfounded.

    I get your point and it makes me think. :P I would have to agree with you and hope that I'm just 41. :)

    Kids are less violent, less promiscuous, they don't smoke, they have much higher degrees of empathy than generations past, they are less racist/sexist/transphobic, bullying is tolerated less than ever...I
    guess I look at the benefits. Yeah, they're stuck on their phones all
    day. Oh well. When we were growing up they were on their landline phones all day; it was a freaking meme, the high school girl on the phone.

    Same response as above. :P And I do hope that you're the right one here.



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  • From paulie420@77:1/158 to jack phlash on Wed Feb 10 10:44:16 2021
    Hmmm. I hate ya'll for showing me my age so prominently.

    Yeah, though your reply to Ryan was on point, so forgive my knee jerk reaction to comments like these being to roll my eyes at the old men yelling at the clouds. That's no reason to disregard genuine concerns
    and criticisms, and there's plenty to criticize about social media even
    if I ultimately find myself siding with Ryan and Dream Master more in
    this discussion.

    Ryan was on point with his reply - that our generation made changes to society that were worthwhile and even benefited us greatly.

    I guess a better way for me to think about technology today is... I hope my kids generatoin creates the same change, with it, that we did as a whole in the 2000s. They can. They will.

    Thats the important part to focus on, I suppose... believe in them.



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  • From paulie420@77:1/158 to ryan on Wed Feb 10 10:48:19 2021
    Yeah, though your reply to Ryan was on point, so forgive my knee jerk reaction to comments like these being to roll my eyes at the old men yelling at the clouds. That's no reason to disregard genuine concerns and criticisms, and there's plenty to criticize about social media ev if I ultimately find myself siding with Ryan and Dream Master more in this discussion.

    Plus one to this - I have a tendency to be abrasive, it's a habit I'm trying to break, but I don't disagree with the "those damn kids" perspective entirely. I just spend my energy giving my main perspective
    is all :)


    Neither one of ya'll are wrong or off base to have those eye, or abrasiveness.. all is well; I replied to jP with this already, but I think the only part I'm missing is that the current generation will make the change that we did - and to trust in them...

    Still, tho; social is f**ked and bad. :P Currently.



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  • From paulie420@77:1/158 to Shitty on Wed Feb 10 10:48:44 2021
    Fuck you, Shitty- you suck.

    Insane BBS person #99, thank you for your feedback. :)

    You mean I could have waited a day and been #100?!


    Jesus..



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  • From paulie420@77:1/158 to Shitty on Wed Feb 10 11:18:27 2021
    I usually cut people out of my life after the first time they fuck me around, but this guy was a friend of mine since I was about 14, and I didn't want it to go that way.

    I hooked this dude up with my wife's hot friend, he took her to dinner, and then hid in the men's room when the waiter brought the check! This
    is after he short-changed me on weed twice. So I'm crazy for giving him
    so many chances to not be a dick.

    Scummy dude. Jeez man.

    I bet its part of the reason why your first paragraph lives today.



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  • From Dream Master@77:1/166 to Arelor on Wed Feb 10 20:15:39 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: Arelor to Dream Master on Wed Feb 10 2021 01:56 pm

    Now imagine that what your social environment is asking from you is beating other kids because of... reasons. Being yourself becomes a harder thing to accomplish. It is only easy if being yourself is not contrary to beating other kids.

    Point taken and accepted. Didn't think about that.

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  • From Arelor@77:1/114 to Dumas Walker on Thu Feb 11 03:20:45 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: Dumas Walker to SHITTY on Wed Feb 10 2021 02:31 pm

    Obviously we have a fun little nerdy community here, and it's sorta exciting to see BBS software evolve so much, but we ar
    putting on a big show for a small crowd. That's kinda insane - but on the bright side the BBS gives us something fun to do
    with our computers.

    There is definately the "big show for a small crowd" thing going on. I guess that could be considered some form of insanity. I cannot count the hours I spent setting up doors, message areas, etc., that rarely get used. On the other hand, if I'd not been doing that, I'd probably have been wasting that time on something else that likely would have lead to a whole lot more trouble than a door game. :)


    * SLMR 2.1a * Midget soothsayer robs bank! Small medium at large....

    Well, but did you had fun setting the infrastructure up?

    I think it is worse when you have friends that actually need some infrastructure (messaging, a web board, whatever), you build
    it for them, and then they refuse to use it actively.

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  • From Arelor@77:1/114 to Dumas Walker on Thu Feb 11 03:22:28 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: Dumas Walker to RYAN on Wed Feb 10 2021 03:32 pm

    In my opinion, distilling all of this down to the responsibility of news media to dictate to us what reality is misses the
    point. In the USA, there are very few true sources of information (vs countless sources of opinion or outrage validation
    rhetoric). However, we do have the entire world with a fairly transparent internationally accepted range of media sources
    that aren't selling some America-tainted narrative.

    I might be wrong, but my memory says that there are/have been recent non-US participants in the BBS nets who have pointed ou
    that their own "international" media very much has a tainted or slanted narrative when it comes to what is going on here.

    Based on my experience with one, and only one, Canadian, I am very
    convinced the media must be pretty anti-US tainted in Canada's Pacific NW.


    * SLMR 2.1a * This just in: Research causes cancer in rats!

    Spanish media is pretty much defaulting to "Everything Americans do is wrong" since Bill Clinton, at the very least.

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  • From Arelor@77:1/114 to Dream Master on Thu Feb 11 03:26:31 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: Dream Master to Arelor on Wed Feb 10 2021 08:14 pm

    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: Arelor to mseifert on Wed Feb 10 2021 01:50 pm

    People is no longer willing to put the slightiest ammount of work into their hobbies. They want it all spoon fed.

    My wife criticized me the other day for spending too much time on the computer.

    It wasn't a bad thing. She recognizes that I no longer work all night and instead work on the BBS and other techie BS.

    My sons, they play a lot of video games. They'll spend hours upon hours. Maybe they're onto something. :D

    Brian Klauss <-> Dream Master
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    It is interesting you say that, because videogames are the only widespread exception I can think of. Some kids will spend lots
    of money in computer gear, and then spend a lot of time planing and leveling their MMORPG characters into a build they like.
    Maybe the fact videogames are interactive platforms make it easier than planing the same character for a tabletop RPG.

    But even then, I think hardcore gammers that achieve that level of dedication are a shrinking group. Nowadays you get lots of
    gamers that purchase games by the scores, play a bit of one, a bit of other, and never get any good at any of them.

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  • From paulie420@77:1/158 to mseifert on Thu Feb 11 02:13:33 2021
    I know that social media has been the major reason that people's
    attention spans are becoming shorter and shorter. I often see young
    kids and think I can't imagine all the cool things they'll see, I've
    seen cell phones, touch-tone phones, the internet, colour television, microwaves, automatic transmissions, electric cars, pacemakers, cloned sheep, 3d printers, home computers, dvds, cassettes, vhs tapes, digital cameras, driverless cars, and a lot of other things.. but I wonder just how much of it will be helpful to the and how much will make things
    worse for them.

    Good job listing some of the awesome things that were remarkable in your lifetime. What do my BBS breather-en believe our children [or the next generation] will see in their lifetimes?

    I have some ideas, but maybe I'll wait to see if this makes a thread... :P

    A couple:
    Space habitation
    Flying vehicles
    A real pandemic



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  • From Bob Roberts@77:1/200 to Dumas Walker on Thu Feb 11 08:41:36 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: Dumas Walker to BOB ROBERTS on Tue Feb 09 2021 04:35 pm

    I agree. All the things Paulie mentioned have parental controls. If one think
    they are ruining their children's lives, one just needs to use the management t
    ools available. Or better yet, educate children about the perils of the intern
    t and society. Talk to them, frequently, Find out whats going on in their liv
    s.

    And no kids who are determined enough ever find their way around those, especially with technology that they know better than their parents do.

    Hence the second part of my statement. Parental controls are not the only "control". Education, lead by example, discuss current events. Find out who their friends are and what they do and discuss. Talk about school, bullies, relationships, teachers. What their dreams are, encourage. Get involved in their school and activites, provide resources... make your home the one where it's "safe" to hang out.

    Technology controls are just a backstop to parenting.

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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to ARELOR on Thu Feb 11 13:52:00 2021
    Well, but did you had fun setting the infrastructure up?

    Usually. If I find myself not enjoying it, I usually decide that part of
    the project is not worth it and move on to something else.


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  • From mseifert@77:1/170 to Shitty on Wed Feb 10 13:02:14 2021
    Shitty said to mseifert <-

    You can't put 2 insane people in a room together for too long.

    Just add toys, axes, knives and baseball bats.. and the fun begins.. lol.

    I don't blame people.. I blame the frickin' pandemic for how unscrewed people have become. And sadly boys and girls we have at least another

    Have you seen people outside the BBS world acting crazy too? I haven't seen it because I hardly leave the house. But there have been news
    reports of a lot of insane stuff happening during the past year.

    Currently, I'm avoiding the outside world, which in part I think a lot of people are doing, which is probably the reason we're all slowly (in some cases not so slowly), crazy. Humans have survived because we were hunters and gatherers and lived in communities, whereas of late we've kept ourselves indoor and isolated, going totally against what we have been doing for thousands of years. Yes I'm worried about us as a society. I know we'll survive, but I'm concerned about how this will cause us to change.



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  • From ryan@77:1/128 to Arelor on Thu Feb 11 15:10:23 2021
    dedication are a shrinking group. Nowadays you get lots of
    gamers that purchase games by the scores, play a bit of one, a bit of other, and never get any good at any of them.

    Ha! Don't talk about me as if I'm not here! :P

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  • From ryan@77:1/128 to paulie420 on Thu Feb 11 15:13:18 2021
    Space habitation
    Flying vehicles
    A real pandemic

    I think the major cultural shift delivered via technology (and I'm hopeful) will be widespread teleworking. Office culture has its place but I think
    we've demonstrated that many people don't benefit from being confined to an office. Hell, I'm one of them. I'd rather never go to an office again. So teleworking seems like something I'd add here.

    I also think we'll see the decline of personal car ownership. Once cars are driverless, electric, and available on demand via an app, there's little incentive to own a car. They're the stupidest investment decisions one can
    make now and it's still something people actually need. I look forward to a world where car ownership is an extravagant luxury.

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  • From ryan@77:1/128 to Bob Roberts on Thu Feb 11 15:15:23 2021
    Technology controls are just a backstop to parenting.

    Yep - agree with this. I grew up in the pre-smartphone era, as did most
    people here, and I think we can all remember friends growing up with absentee parents and lack of discipline or consequences. I say this not having a dog
    in the fight because I'm not a parent and won't be. But I find it interesting nevertheless.

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  • From ryan@77:1/128 to mseifert on Thu Feb 11 15:20:57 2021
    Currently, I'm avoiding the outside world, which in part I think a lot of people are doing, which is probably the reason we're all slowly (in some cases not so slowly), crazy. Humans have survived because we were
    hunters and gatherers and lived in communities, whereas of late we've
    kept ourselves indoor and isolated, going totally against what we have been doing for thousands of years. Yes I'm worried about us as a
    society. I know we'll survive, but I'm concerned about how this will
    cause us to change.

    One interesting aspect to all of this is that I notice very extroverted
    people are suffering pretty bad, and I'm hopeful this helps develop empathy
    for introverts. In modern history, the roles have basically been reversed
    where the world has felt more or less designed to suit extroverts and introverts have been suffering in silence.

    My gf is very extroverted but she's adapted well enough for now. The only
    thing is that she talks my ear off all hours of the day and I can't get any time to myself. But I love her and it's ok and she knows when I'm shutting
    down lol.

    But I see complaints of folks that struggle to work when stuck home alone and thrive in an office environment. I'm very hopeful now they know how different these worlds can be and that people like me will have more respect when it comes to telework requests in the future.

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  • From Dream Master@77:1/166 to ryan on Thu Feb 11 17:54:28 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: ryan to Bob Roberts on Thu Feb 11 2021 03:15 pm

    Yep - agree with this. I grew up in the pre-smartphone era, as did most people here, and I think we can all remember friends growing up with absentee parents and lack of discipline or consequences. I say this not having a dog in the fight because I'm not a parent and won't be. But I find it interesting nevertheless.

    I grew up in the 80s. Both of my parents worked and I was expected to figure out what needed to be done before they got home. From about 2:30pm (when I got home from school) until 5 or 6pm, my parents weren't home. Too many times I'd use that time to my advantage. Consequences were minimal as my mother always felt the need to take everything on herself and my father, well, he didn't do anything around the house. When I brought friends over, they were expected to behave. If I brought over girls, they were expected to stay out of my bedroom (well, what my parents didn't know didn't phase them).

    In some ways, I'm not sure I actually had it all that great.

    I think my children are doing a hell of a lot better than I did at their age.

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  • From Dream Master@77:1/166 to ryan on Thu Feb 11 18:07:06 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: ryan to mseifert on Thu Feb 11 2021 03:20 pm

    But I see complaints of folks that struggle to work when stuck home alone and thrive in an office environment. I'm very hopeful now they know how different these worlds can be and that people like me will have more respect when it comes to telework requests in the future.

    I worked in an office setting for over twenty-five years. Whenever I'd request to work from home, I'd get grief. Even as a lead/manager, my boss would give me a hard time because I "wouldn't be readily available if needed." I'd always reference the following with my management:

    * I've been on-call since 1997. With my laptop at the ready, I would VPN into the office and be immediately available.

    * When I had each of my children, and whenever they were sick, I would stay home with them and would VPN into the office and be immediately available.

    * On average, between 2000 and 2014, I'd work between 50 and 70 hours a week with the extra 10 to 30 hours being from home.

    * After destroying my knee in 2015, I'd work from home during the recovery putting in anywhere between 50 and 80 hours a week in.

    * After my lungs broke, I'd work from home whenever I was on chemotherapy, sick, or the air quality wasn't good.

    Yet, after all this, they'd still want me in the office because of some "policy" of ensuring everyone is "accountable". Those five bullets I just referenced I used numerous times to justify working from home instead of being in the office all the time (or, work less at the office). It was the "old school" way that if you weren't at the office you weren't actually working.

    Fast forward to the COVID Pandemic. Everyone is now working from home.

    Apparently, that "old school" way no longer applies. My company is instituting a "work day" policy once the pandemic eases up. Interesting how all my team is based throughout the United States with most not even in the office. I really wonder if they are going to force be back into the office even though my boss is in New Jersey and the rest of my team is spread out in North Carolina, New York, Texas, and Illinois.

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  • From ryan@77:1/128 to Dream Master on Thu Feb 11 18:15:15 2021
    Apparently, that "old school" way no longer applies. My company is instituting a "work day" policy once the pandemic eases up. Interesting how all my team is based throughout the United States with most not even in the office. I really wonder if they are going to force be back into the office even though my boss is in New Jersey and the rest of my team
    is spread out in North Carolina, New York, Texas, and Illinois.

    Hey, first off - you've had a rough go, it seems, and you have my
    condolences. I trust you're doing ok now?

    On to the "old school" way not applying...we'll see. I'm somewhat skeptical.

    Managers seem to have some impression that people can't be trusted when
    working from home. The data doesn't support this, as telework-forward
    business models thrived during the pandemic and profits increased. I think there's some concept of sunk cost fallacy (we pay for office space so
    everyone must use office space). But the sheer amount of dollars saved if we were able to shrink offices, shrink conference rooms, stop getting catered lunches...even the environmental impact of no longer having to commute is a
    pro argument.

    What I predict is that companies (not all) will attempt to go back to things the way they were before using flowery language like "serendipitous in-person meetings" and silly things like that, when what they really want to say is
    they want your manager to be able to peer over your shoulder and make sure you're not on facebook.

    My hope, if that prediction turns out to be correct, is that someone like me finds lawyers at the ACLU to file suits and create a precedent of worker's rights. Hell, COVID may wrap up, but that doesn't mean I want to sit next to Susan who comes to work with colds/flus all the time. The risk and
    transmission of illness in the workplace, especially if you have a job that requires some segment of your office to travel, is extremely high. And these open room seating arrangements where everyone is right next to everyone else only exacerbates the problem.

    Screw office life. I'd rather work from home, with my dog, with no shoes on, cooking my own food, not hunting for conference rooms and getting "hey you" requests by every random person that sees me. Screw that.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Dream Master on Thu Feb 11 23:08:38 2021
    I think my children are doing a hell of a lot better than I did at their age.

    Ha, 100%. My kids, as much as I want to kill them from time to time, are angels compared to the shit I did at their ages.

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  • From Dream Master@77:1/166 to Netsurge on Fri Feb 12 07:09:00 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: Netsurge to Dream Master on Thu Feb 11 2021 11:08 pm

    Ha, 100%. My kids, as much as I want to kill them from time to time, are angels compared to the shit I did at their ages.

    When I found out that my oldest son, now 21, started smoking pot at 15, I wasn't impressed and tried to get him to stop. My upbringing taught me, "Drugs are BAD!" Then my wife reminded me, "Brian, didn't you start drinking younger than Tyler?" Well, that little reminder got me thinking. I stopped complaining and bitching about it. Honestly, I'd rather have him being functional than a drunk.

    (plus, he hasn't knocked a girl up yet.)

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  • From mseifert@77:1/170 to Arelor on Fri Feb 12 09:28:18 2021
    Arelor said to mseifert <-

    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: mseifert to paulie420 on Mon Feb 08 2021 12:05 pm

    Funny the subject pops up.

    Back in the old days of roleplaying games, you could expect most
    players to know the rules of the game. The Game Master was the dude who had to do most of the hard work and know most of the rules, but he was
    one in a group of 5. The other players would know how their own
    characters worked and the rules linked to them.

    I am friends with a younger (than me) couple who are in their 30's and still play D&D. I was not overly shocked to hear this as they both seem to like the fantasy-rpg world, and similarly themed, movies, podcasts and snes games. But they're both hard workers. Not like a lot of 20-30 year olds. (Not all, just a lot.)

    People is no longer willing to put the slightiest ammount of work into their hobbies. They want it all spoon fed.

    It drives me nuts that everything has to be dumbed down. Sometimes I have to dumb down when I'm explaining things to people. I have to laugh sadly, as I'm a self educated high-shool drop out who never got more than 8 of the 31 course credits to graduate (it took me 5 years to get that far). I can't be certain if they're stupid, lazy, or crazy. I know I'm not the brightest bulb in the drawer at times.... err.. whatever... :)

    So you can add to the list of things the youth is going to miss:
    hobbies that required actual work to be enjoyed :-)

    Glad I'm old.. I have some good memories from growing up ... but then the 80's was no peice of cake with the constant threat of Nuclear War, sure it still exists but at this point I can see anyone who is even that much of an a-hole that they'd start a Nuclear war in the middle of a global pandemc.. which is the only silver-lining to this all..


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  • From mseifert@77:1/170 to paulie420 on Fri Feb 12 11:19:22 2021
    paulie420 said to mseifert <-


    Good job listing some of the awesome things that were remarkable in
    your lifetime. What do my BBS breather-en believe our children [or the next generation] will see in their lifetimes?

    I have some ideas, but maybe I'll wait to see if this makes a thread...
    :P

    A couple:
    Space habitation
    Flying vehicles
    A real pandemic

    I know the Space habitation will happen if Elon Musk's endeavours come to fruition. Also prior to the current pandemic (it's real, it's everywhere). It was briefly in the news that either China or Japan (I don't clearly recall) said they would debut their flying car at the 2020 summmer Olympics. Not sure if it's still going to happen, but I said if you could get Google to work with them you'd have the worlds first ever driverless flying car. I'd buy one! I'm 53, never learned to drive, and now that I'm going blind the government has sent me a notice saying I'm not allowed to get a drivers license even if I wanted one. I see for the near future more advancements in bio-cybernetics. I heard a news report about a 'bionic' eye that gives blind people the ability to see normally again. I've seen videos of robotic artifical arms that when worn, read the nerve impulses where the nerves end and can react like a real arm. I once read that they figure the first person who will reach the age of 125 has already been born. I would like to see a world wide dismantling of all nukes and bio weapons, as well as production and of medicines to no longer being done by private companies. I think those companies could focus more on the research end of it. But live saving medication should never be too expensive and the choice over food/rent/medicine should never have to be made again.

    My hope for our kids is that they get to live in the utopia we only see in movies.


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  • From Dream Master@77:1/166 to mseifert on Fri Feb 12 10:35:10 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: mseifert to Arelor on Fri Feb 12 2021 09:28 am

    It drives me nuts that everything has to be dumbed down. Sometimes I have to dumb down when I'm explaining things to people. I have to laugh sadly, as I'm a self educated high-shool drop out who never got more than 8 of the 31 course credits to graduate (it took me 5 years to get that far). I can't be certain if they're stupid, lazy, or crazy. I know I'm not the brightest bulb in the drawer at times.... err.. whatever... :)

    First of all, if you've been met with success post-high school, than high school wasn't for you. I decided to test out of high school as a junior instead of sitting through another year being bored out of my mind... anyway.

    I've seen more of our youth who enter the workforce needing to be constantly coddled. These children haven't been taught to think for themselves; instead, they expect everything to be handed to them. Plus, if you hurt their feelings they end up running to HR because you told them to read a book (as an example).

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  • From paulie420@77:1/158 to ryan on Fri Feb 12 15:00:42 2021
    I think the major cultural shift delivered via technology (and I'm hopeful) will be widespread teleworking. Office culture has its place
    but I think we've demonstrated that many people don't benefit from being confined to an office. Hell, I'm one of them. I'd rather never go to an office again. So teleworking seems like something I'd add here.

    I also think we'll see the decline of personal car ownership. Once cars are driverless, electric, and available on demand via an app, there's little incentive to own a car. They're the stupidest investment
    decisions one can make now and it's still something people actually
    need. I look forward to a world where car ownership is an extravagant luxury.

    Man... so I own a sales company, and while I certainly hope some of the folks that I personally know are able to remain working from home... if they choose that route, I don't hope for it across the board. My sales guys need to slam dunk the ducks running around the city buried in their personal rat races - its how our hustle works. Need the folks with the dollar bills, ya'll.

    :P
    We're just two different peas in the pod is all.
    I do think you're right, tho, that we will see change in both of these areas in our lifetime. I think that some of it will never [fully] go back to pre-covid. Lucky for me, theres plenty of others who earn from the land... we aren't going anywhere.

    Thanks for playing along, rockstar.



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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to DREAM MASTER on Sat Feb 13 11:12:00 2021
    Honestly, I'd rather have him being functional than a drunk.

    From my experience around people who are smoking pot recreationally, they
    are not much more functional than a drunk. I woudn't want either driving
    me anywhere, or making any serious decisions for me, for example.

    OTOH, the pot smokers seem less likely to be angry. ;)


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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to MSEIFERT on Sat Feb 13 11:12:00 2021
    was briefly in the news that either China or Japan (I don't clearly recall) said they would debut their flying car at the 2020 summmer Olympics. Not sure

    As Japan was hosting, I would guess that they were planning that. Then
    again, China could have been planning such a thing to show them up.


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  • From Warpslide@77:1/156 to Dumas Walker on Sat Feb 13 19:08:36 2021
    On 13 Feb 2021, Dumas Walker said the following...

    From my experience around people who are smoking pot recreationally, they are not much more functional than a drunk. I woudn't want either driving me anywhere, or making any serious decisions for me, for example.

    When I do either I just get happy and fall asleep.

    OTOH, the pot smokers seem less likely to be angry. ;)

    And with more munchies.


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  • From Arelor@77:1/114 to Dumas Walker on Sat Feb 13 18:40:10 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: Dumas Walker to DREAM MASTER on Sat Feb 13 2021 11:12 am

    Honestly, I'd rather have him being functional than a drunk.

    From my experience around people who are smoking pot recreationally, they are not much more functional than a drunk. I woudn't want either driving
    me anywhere, or making any serious decisions for me, for example.

    OTOH, the pot smokers seem less likely to be angry. ;)


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    Yeah, I agree.

    Many potheads like to shun alcohol as if trying to place pot as a superior form of drug, but I have seen enough pot-stoned people to know better myself.


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  • From Dream Master@77:1/166 to Dumas Walker on Sat Feb 13 18:15:56 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: Dumas Walker to DREAM MASTER on Sat Feb 13 2021 11:12 am

    From my experience around people who are smoking pot recreationally, they are not much more functional than a drunk. I woudn't want either driving me anywhere, or making any serious decisions for me, for example.

    You're correct. My son won't drive if he's high. If he's hungry and high, he'll order DoorDash and keep the Gigworkers employed. :)

    OTOH, the pot smokers seem less likely to be angry. ;)

    He's never angry. Always happy. This is very acceptable.

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  • From mseifert@77:1/170 to Dumas Walker on Sat Feb 13 21:33:33 2021
    Dumas Walker said to mseifert <-

    was briefly in the news that either China or Japan (I don't clearly recall) said they would debut their flying car at the 2020 summmer Olympics. Not
    sure


    As Japan was hosting, I would guess that they were planning that. Then again, China could have been planning such a thing to show them up.


    Hopefully it still happens. There's a lot of since advances I will love to see and I can't wait for ther perseverance rover's landing on the Martian surface scheduled for the 18th of February this year.



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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Dumas Walker on Sun Feb 14 10:31:16 2021
    From my experience around people who are smoking pot recreationally, they are not much more functional than a drunk. I woudn't want either driving me anywhere, or making any serious decisions for me, for example.

    I dunno about that. I have been smoking weed for a long time (although I have recently switched to capsules to avoid the smoke in my lungs). I tend to be a lot more productive when feel the effects of THC, especially creatively. I couldn't focus in school unless I was high. My Dr. says it's probably because I had ADD and it went undiagnosed.

    I will agree, I don't drive or do anything that requires quick reaction timing while high. My video game play is atrocious.

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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to DREAM MASTER on Sun Feb 14 09:35:00 2021
    OTOH, the pot smokers seem less likely to be angry. ;)

    He's never angry. Always happy. This is very acceptable.

    The only person I knew who smoked it regularly that seemed to be an
    exception to this also drank beer while she was smoking it. Guess that is
    what did it. :O


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  • From paulie420@77:1/158 to mseifert on Sun Feb 14 16:16:36 2021
    My hope for our kids is that they get to live in the utopia we only see
    in movies.

    That sure would be the dream... I dunno, but I agree with many of the other topics in your post. :P



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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to NETSURGE on Mon Feb 15 14:08:00 2021
    I will agree, I don't drive or do anything that requires quick reaction timing
    hile high. My video game play is atrocious.

    But I bet you still enjoy playing the games that way. :)


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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Dumas Walker on Wed Feb 17 20:56:42 2021
    But I bet you still enjoy playing the games that way. :)

    Not really. I prefer reading or designing stuff for retrorewind.ca

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  • From The Godfather@77:1/153 to Shitty on Fri Feb 19 11:39:37 2021
    I've been a BBS guy for more than 30 years, and I've noticed that most
    (if not all of us) have something weird and/or fucky about them (myself included, of course!)
    Just yesterday, a friend of mine since childhood (at least 28 years) flipped the fuck out on me for supposedly "deleting his voting topic"
    and "restricting his access" to my BBS! He said "Lose my number!" What a fucking psycho? Then he blocked me on Facebook. I can hardly believe
    that happened. The dude has always been cool in the past (to me at
    least.)

    Could you imagine someone you know personally getting pissed at you for having a piece of shit bbs? lol I tried the voting booth and that shit works. I bet he failed to save it because my bbs uses mystic and mystic asks like "Are you sure you want to save this?" That, or maybe I
    restored from a backup one day and it was after he had already posted
    the topic.
    I tried to tell the dude "There's like 2 people who call my BBS
    regularly. Who the fuck do you think your polling with this shit?" I didn't consciencously delete it on him.

    It blew my mind to have someone do that to me. Some of these
    motherfuckers out there are REALLY fucked in the head! I only wish it wasn't a guy from my hometown!

    I think most of us are going insane as a result of COVID and all that comes with it. I would imagine something bigger is going on in his life and a phone call would be a great way to hear him out and let him vent it out. I'd hate to lose a 28 year friendship. Sounds like a call out for a need to talk. We all need those on occasion.

    -tG

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  • From djatropine@77:1/142 to Arelor on Sun Mar 14 14:38:20 2021
    Something I learnt in the Libertarian party is that every news outlet is for sale.

    You may get some international media source that is not
    American-tainted, but it will be tainted nevertheless. The best you can
    do is choose the pollution you like the best.

    My favorite pollution is
    ANCAPISTAN!!

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  • From Arelor@77:1/114 to djatropine on Sun Mar 14 19:54:04 2021
    Re: Re: BBS People
    By: djatropine to Arelor on Sun Mar 14 2021 02:38 pm

    Something I learnt in the Libertarian party is that every news outlet i for sale.

    You may get some international media source that is not American-tainted, but it will be tainted nevertheless. The best you can do is choose the pollution you like the best.

    My favorite pollution is
    ANCAPISTAN!!

    My favourite pollution is Bourbon. Specially the one I am abusing now. It has a horse in the label, which is a good reason to choose this drink over others.

    I think it also makes news look better.

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  • From phxl@77:1/911 to jack phlash on Fri May 14 13:31:52 2021
    I "touched" myself last night in a nostalgic way for some momentary enjoyment.

    That stash of old 80s Hustler mags still paying dividends, eh?

    Dude, Hustler was ahead of it's time.. no hair in sight a lot of the time if
    I remember correctly. It was a treat as a kid in the 80s because I guess I
    had rather futuristic pube preferences.

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  • From phxl@77:1/911 to Arelor on Fri May 14 13:34:44 2021
    It reminds me of this case in an Australian school where every kid was bullying this big chubby guy, everybody knew it, and nobody ever did anything about it.

    Until something cracked and Big Chubby Guy smashed the guy on the floor with extreme prejudice and it made the news.

    And Mr. Smashed guy still had the guts to say he didn't repent for bullying the big guy in front of the camera.

    That's when the prosecutor in charge should refuse to pick up the charges against the attacker and have the young bully condemned to some kind of
    mental treatment for his lack of empathy and blatant prelude to psychopathy.

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  • From phxl@77:1/911 to jokker on Fri May 14 13:37:52 2021
    That stash of old 80s Hustler mags still paying dividends, eh?

    And the nice thing is that the stash was borrowed... I'm a classy guy


    Makes sense, it's like having a built in recommendation system.

    "ooooh 3 stuck pages, this is a good one! <unzip>"

    The best part about finding a huge trash bag full of porn in a tree in the local wooded area of any suburban city in the 80s/90s was that the sticky
    pages could be blamed on "they were out in the weather.. of course i'm not touching something nasty by perusing these.. who would soil such treasures?". Allowing my young mind to continue to function without compromise.

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