• Fidonet

    From Netsurge@77:77/5 to All on Wed Aug 14 13:04:50 2019
    From: Netsurge <netsurge@scinet-ftn.org>

    I recently was reminded as to why Fidonet was and for the most part
    still is a cesspool of activity. People still foaming at the mouth over something that was said or done 30 years ago.

    I do know that there are some solid people who still participate in
    Fidonet, people who thankfully, occupy administrative roles and do
    their best to keep the original ftn alive. People like Nick and Avon
    among others.

    I shake my head at the notion that people believe that Fidonet is still
    some great and mighty network and that anyone who runs a bbs owes it
    something and should participate.

    When I decided to come back to the hobby, Nick, who is the Zone 1
    Coordinator and a friend said to me "You really should join something
    like fsxNet, where people can have intelligent conversations and where
    people help each other out" (I'm paraphrasing).

    My question to people on SciNet is as follows:

    Do you participate in Fidonet? If so how active are you and what are
    your thoughts on the state of good old fight-o-net?

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  • From echicken@77:1/120 to Netsurge on Wed Aug 14 13:21:34 2019
    Re: Fidonet
    By: Netsurge to All on Wed Aug 14 2019 13:04:51

    Do you participate in Fidonet? If so how active are you and what are
    your thoughts on the state of good old fight-o-net?

    I have an address and carry some echoes, but I do not participate. It seems like an
    extremely unwelcoming place. The tone of most conversation there is unpleasant. The
    network seems like a sadomasochistic masturbatory exercise; it's a forum that exists to
    discuss its own existence, a place for constant disagreement as to how it should be run, a
    place for people to attack each other over same or over ancient grudges. I wouldn't even
    *want* to post a message over there lest I become embroiled in some petty bullshit.

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  • From Gamgee@77:1/114 to Netsurge on Wed Aug 14 12:24:00 2019
    Netsurge <netsurge@scinet-ftn.org> wrote to All <=-

    N<> I recently was reminded as to why Fidonet was and for the most
    N<> part still is a cesspool of activity. People still foaming at the
    N<> mouth over something that was said or done 30 years ago.

    N<> I do know that there are some solid people who still participate
    N<> in Fidonet, people who thankfully, occupy administrative roles
    N<> and do their best to keep the original ftn alive. People like
    N<> Nick and Avon among others.

    N<> I shake my head at the notion that people believe that Fidonet is
    N<> still some great and mighty network and that anyone who runs a
    N<> bbs owes it something and should participate.

    N<> When I decided to come back to the hobby, Nick, who is the Zone 1 Coordinator and a friend said to me "You really should join
    N<> something like fsxNet, where people can have intelligent
    N<> conversations and where people help each other out" (I'm
    N<> paraphrasing).

    N<> My question to people on SciNet is as follows:

    N<> Do you participate in Fidonet? If so how active are you and what
    N<> are your thoughts on the state of good old fight-o-net?

    I still participate in Fidonet, and carry 30 or so echos from it
    on my board. You're right that there isn't all that much useful
    traffic in it any more, generally speaking. There are a few echos
    that I still find value in though. Overall I agree that something
    like FsxNet (or SciNet!) has a better signal-to-noise ratio.

    As for the mouth-foamers, those seem to me to mostly be Z2
    Euro-boys that like to nitpick at P4 and other policies that
    really don't have any relevance any more. They also like to bash
    the USA and it's politics and I try to ignore them. They still
    seem to have a grudge leftover from the old "zone wars" from the
    90's. Oh well.

    I have to admit that I like Fidonet despite it's obvious faults.
    To me it's like an old pair of jeans that just ... fit and are
    comfortable. Or maybe how you can't resist rubber-necking at a
    car accident or something on the highway when you go by. It
    certainly has "fallen from grace" compared to it's state of 25
    years ago, but it's not dead yet. :-)


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  • From Netsurge@77:77/5 to All on Wed Aug 14 13:31:52 2019
    From: Netsurge <netsurge@scinet-ftn.org>

    On 2019-08-14 17:21:34 +0000, echicken said:

    Re: Fidonet
    By: Netsurge to All on Wed Aug 14 2019 13:04:51

    Do you participate in Fidonet? If so how active are you and what are your thoughts on the state of good old fight-o-net?

    I have an address and carry some echoes, but I do not participate. It
    seems like an
    extremely unwelcoming place. The tone of most conversation there is unpleasant. The
    network seems like a sadomasochistic masturbatory exercise; it's a
    forum that exists to
    discuss its own existence, a place for constant disagreement as to how
    it should be run,
    a
    place for people to attack each other over same or over ancient
    grudges. I wouldn't even
    *want* to post a message over there lest I become embroiled in some
    petty bullshit.

    Where were you 48 hours ago when I decided to ask a technical question
    around dns distributed novelists and fidonet.org, lol.

    We went from who has the most accurate nodelist, to peoples inability
    to automate a nodelist processor to how Nick apparently didn't fix
    something quick enough.

    Ohh, and the denial by a few that othernets like fsxNet and SciNet
    don't actually have meaningful traffic and are just a few old sysops
    idling.

    Fuck me.

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  • From Netsurge@77:77/5 to All on Wed Aug 14 13:36:12 2019
    From: Netsurge <netsurge@scinet-ftn.org>

    On 2019-08-14 16:24:00 +0000, Gamgee said:

    I still participate in Fidonet, and carry 30 or so echos from it
    on my board. You're right that there isn't all that much useful
    traffic in it any more, generally speaking. There are a few echos
    that I still find value in though. Overall I agree that something
    like FsxNet (or SciNet!) has a better signal-to-noise ratio.

    Aside from the Synchronet, Mystic and Commodore echo, there isn't
    anything worth following. Everything else seems to be a bunch of lonely
    people who only have courage at their keyboards ready to pounce on
    anyone who might ask a question or offer a suggestion. Any initiative
    really gets nipped in the butt real quick. Two page messages around
    what flag should go where and who should come first.

    Fuck me, go outside and sit in the sun, god only knows how long it's
    been since most of these people have seen the outside world.

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  • From Joacim Melin@77:2/101 to Netsurge on Wed Aug 14 19:36:40 2019
    From: Netsurge <netsurge@scinet-ftn.org>

    I recently was reminded as to why Fidonet was and for the most part
    still is a cesspool of activity. People still foaming at the mouth
    over
    something that was said or done 30 years ago.

    I do know that there are some solid people who still participate in Fidonet, people who thankfully, occupy administrative roles and do
    their best to keep the original ftn alive. People like Nick and Avon
    among others.

    I shake my head at the notion that people believe that Fidonet is
    still
    some great and mighty network and that anyone who runs a bbs owes it something and should participate.

    When I decided to come back to the hobby, Nick, who is the Zone 1 Coordinator and a friend said to me "You really should join something
    like fsxNet, where people can have intelligent conversations and where

    people help each other out" (I'm paraphrasing).

    My question to people on SciNet is as follows:

    Do you participate in Fidonet? If so how active are you and what are
    your thoughts on the state of good old fight-o-net?

    My background may be a bit different than most others. About two years ago, I was a pretty active member of Fidonet. I got involved in trying to "save" the fidonet.org website while arguing that Fidonet needed to get it's act together with cleaning up the nodelists of inactive entries, delete echos that had no activity, and so on. Needless to say, my suggestions was met with some approval and some damn-hear hostility from a few. I worked on and off (mostly off, since my counter-part was unavailable for long periods of time) with the fidonet.org website but finally I had designed something new. It was not by any means complete content wise but it was a start. Myself and Joaquim Homrighausen would host and run the website to give it a new start (and remove many old links, some that by that point led to scam web sites) but as time went on I registered the domain name fidonet.io and published the new website there instead. In short - I got tired of waiting.

    I got some pats on the back, some thought it was a great start and offered encouragement but some went the complete opposite way and more or less demanded my head on a plate. One prominent member of the fidonet community even sent several threats via netmail to me about me and my wife where he had started dig up all sorts of information about us (it's all public record in Sweden but still...) which was framed in a context of "I know where you and your wife live" and so on. I was first chocked, then mad, and told him to f*ck off. He didn't seem to understand how something as trivial as a new web site about Fidonet is not equally important to me and my family and their safety.

    After this incident, I took down the website and asked my uplink to delete my node number ASAP. I deleted all Fidonet conferences from my BBS.

    Today, I do have a node number again in Fidonet but it's simply because some of my users asked me to get it. I do not participate in any Fidonet echos, nor will I ever do so. The stuff I read now and how Frank is treated by the same old angry men shows me that nothing, and I mean NOTHING, has changed in the six months that I was disconnected from Fidonet.

    For me personally, Fidonet could die tomorrow and I could not care less.

    /Joacim


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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Joacim Melin on Wed Aug 14 13:46:02 2019
    or less demanded my he ad on a plate. One prominent member of the
    fidonet community even sent several t hreats via netmail to me about me

    The last thing I was call Felton is a prominent member of Fidonet. He is a parasite, a cancer to the hobby.

    Today, I do have a node number again in Fidonet but it's simply because some of my users asked me to get it. I do not participate in any Fidonet echos, nor will I ever do so. The stuff I read now and how Frank is treated by the same old ang ry men shows me that nothing, and I mean NOTHING, has changed in the six months that I was disconnected from Fidonet.

    Like I said earlier, I'm just glad there are a few of us in administrative positions. Positions that can somewhat keep things in check, at least technically. But to have a douche bag like Felton build up some sort of
    courage behind a computer screen in laughable. Let he ferment in his anger.
    I'm going to go walk the dog.

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  • From echicken@77:1/120 to Netsurge on Wed Aug 14 14:01:12 2019
    Re: Re: Fidonet
    By: Netsurge to All on Wed Aug 14 2019 13:31:53

    Where were you 48 hours ago when I decided to ask a technical question around dns distributed novelists and fidonet.org, lol.

    I skimmed your message and saw that it was an innocent question about (possibly improving)
    finer points of DNS as relates to fidonet and nodelists. I fully expected it to spiral out
    into acrimonious debate within no more than two generations of replies. Imagine my surprise
    at what happened next.

    TBH I didn't pay close attention so I'm not sure what you were asking about or what the
    points of contention were. I could tell that it was going predictably poorly and breezed
    past it all in my scan.

    We went from who has the most accurate nodelist, to peoples inability
    to automate a nodelist processor to how Nick apparently didn't fix something quick enough.

    That the nodelist is a thing that exists in its current form(s) and that one person's can be
    more accurate than another is a joke in itself. This is basically an argument about who
    publishes the best phonebook, which is fucking ridiculous. I mean, sure, the whole thing is
    an anachronism, but at least some things could be improved.

    Ohh, and the denial by a few that othernets like fsxNet and SciNet
    don't actually have meaningful traffic and are just a few old sysops idling.

    Well, they wouldn't know, and they wouldn't be interested unless said othernets fit their
    specific notions of how an FTN should run. As far as I can tell, most of the old farts on
    fidonet are there to play a game of gotcha, pointing at FTSC docs and defending their
    interpretation of this or that paragraph. (The fact that such debate is possible points
    either to shitty technical documentation or shitty reading comprehension; take your pick,
    but I'm sure it's a mixture of both.)

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  • From Netsurge@77:77/5 to All on Wed Aug 14 14:34:12 2019
    From: Netsurge <netsurge@scinet-ftn.org>

    On 2019-08-14 18:01:12 +0000, echicken said:

    I skimmed your message and saw that it was an innocent question about (possibly
    improving)
    finer points of DNS as relates to fidonet and nodelists. I fully
    expected it to spiral
    out
    into acrimonious debate within no more than two generations of replies.
    Imagine my
    surprise
    at what happened next.

    It really boggles my mind that the same stupid shit that happened 25
    years ago is still happening today, but then again I shouldn't be
    surprised.

    That the nodelist is a thing that exists in its current form(s) and
    that one person's can
    be
    more accurate than another is a joke in itself. This is basically an argument about who
    publishes the best phonebook, which is fucking ridiculous. I mean,
    sure, the whole thing
    is
    an anachronism, but at least some things could be improved.

    Things could always be improved and that was my initial point. There is
    an FTSC spec for DNS distributed nodelists, I do it with SciNet and was
    just wondering why fidonet.org has fallen by the wayside. I should have
    known better.

    Points for using anachronism!

    Well, they wouldn't know, and they wouldn't be interested unless said othernets fit their
    specific notions of how an FTN should run. As far as I can tell, most
    of the old farts
    on
    fidonet are there to play a game of gotcha, pointing at FTSC docs and defending their
    interpretation of this or that paragraph. (The fact that such debate
    is possible points
    either to shitty technical documentation or shitty reading
    comprehension; take your pick,
    but I'm sure it's a mixture of both.)

    Not to mention the notion that somehow othernet's echos should be
    distributed on Fidonet is laughable and delusional. The reason they are
    called othernets is, well, it's in the name for fuck sakes.

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  • From echicken@77:1/120 to Netsurge on Wed Aug 14 14:49:24 2019
    Re: Re: Fidonet
    By: Netsurge to All on Wed Aug 14 2019 14:34:13

    Not to mention the notion that somehow othernet's echos should be distributed on Fidonet is laughable and delusional. The reason they are called othernets is, well, it's in the name for fuck sakes.

    And the idea that they could just do it "the fidoweb way" as if that's somehow a better /
    easier / more preferable option. I don't know enough about fidoweb to really enter into the
    fray on that point, but the last time I looked at the concept it seemed fraught with, if not
    problems, massive ugliness and inefficiencies.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to echicken on Wed Aug 14 15:04:36 2019
    And the idea that they could just do it "the fidoweb way" as if that's somehow a better /
    easier / more preferable option. I don't know enough about fidoweb to really en ter into the
    fray on that point, but the last time I looked at the concept it seemed fraught with, if not
    problems, massive ugliness and inefficiencies.

    The fidoweb way is an attempt by a select few to control the distribution of echos in Fidonet. A stupid egotistical attempt at proving to themselves that they are important. Even the thought of expecting others to do as they do is narcissistic.

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  • From Joacim Melin@77:2/101 to Netsurge on Wed Aug 14 21:17:28 2019
    or less demanded my he ad on a plate. One prominent member of the
    fidonet community even sent several t hreats via netmail to me about me

    The last thing I was call Felton is a prominent member of Fidonet. He
    is a
    parasite, a cancer to the hobby.

    Today, I do have a node number again in Fidonet but it's simply because
    some of my users asked me to get it. I do not participate in any Fidonet
    echos, nor will I ever do so. The stuff I read now and how Frank is
    treated by the same old ang ry men shows me that nothing, and I mean
    NOTHING, has changed in the six months that I was disconnected from
    Fidonet.

    Like I said earlier, I'm just glad there are a few of us in
    administrative
    positions. Positions that can somewhat keep things in check, at least technically. But to have a douche bag like Felton build up some sort
    of
    courage behind a computer screen in laughable. Let he ferment in his
    anger.
    I'm going to go walk the dog.

    Well, I was trying to be diplomatic.. one never knows what may show up in ones netmail.


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  • From Joacim Melin@77:2/101 to echicken on Wed Aug 14 21:19:28 2019
    Re: Re: Fidonet
    By: Netsurge to All on Wed Aug 14 2019 14:34:13

    Not to mention the notion that somehow othernet's echos should be
    distributed on Fidonet is laughable and delusional. The reason they are
    called othernets is, well, it's in the name for fuck sakes.

    And the idea that they could just do it "the fidoweb way" as if that's somehow a better /
    easier / more preferable option. I don't know enough about fidoweb to really enter into the
    fray on that point, but the last time I looked at the concept it
    seemed fraught with, if not
    problems, massive ugliness and inefficiencies.

    Feltén has been harping about this "fidoweb" thing for years now and I still don't have a fucking clue what he's on about. Is it web access? Is it that Fidonet should be available everywhere? Who knows.

    All I know is that the "editor" of "Fidonews" is using the echo for said "Fidonews" to harass and damn near torment others as he see fit, while breaking all the rules for said echo. It's a sad affair.


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  • From Netsurge@77:77/5 to All on Wed Aug 14 15:19:46 2019
    From: Netsurge <netsurge@scinet-ftn.org>

    On 2019-08-14 19:15:01 +0000, Joacim Melin said:

    Well, I was trying to be diplomatic.. one never knows what may show up
    in ones netmail.

    True, but I have been threatened by better men than him, lol.
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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Joacim Melin on Wed Aug 14 15:26:36 2019
    Feltén has been harping about this "fidoweb" thing for years now and I still don 't have a fucking clue what he's on about. Is it web access?
    Is it that Fidonet should be available everywhere? Who knows.

    It is a poor attempt at a backbone amongst mail hubs, kinda of a hub and
    spoke system where mail would still flow if one of the hubs fell off. The problem with it is is causes massive dupes and you have egomaniacs running
    it. They tried to force it on people when in fact, people can get echomail
    from whomever the fuck they want.

    In today's day and age it is irrelevant. Here on SciNet for example. you can get mail via FTN, QWK and shortly NNTP. The more option for people to choose from the better IMO. This stupid centralized attempt at forcing people to use
    a backbone is stupid and controlling.

    All I know is that the "editor" of "Fidonews" is using the echo for said "Fidone ws" to harass and damn near torment others as he see fit, while breaking all the rules for said echo. It's a sad affair.

    Fidonews is useless and irrelevant. The best thing people can do is just drop the echo and let him yell into an empty chamber.

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  • From echicken@77:1/120 to Joacim Melin on Wed Aug 14 15:35:56 2019
    Re: Re: Fidonet
    By: Joacim Melin to echicken on Wed Aug 14 2019 21:19:29

    Feltén has been harping about this "fidoweb" thing for years now and I still don't have a fucking clue what he's on about. Is it web access? Is it that Fidonet should be available everywhere? Who knows.

    My understanding is that it's a routing/distribution technique. Maybe some kind of
    peer-to-peer thing where nodes just connect to each other and maybe don't use a hub? Echoes
    that don't have to be in hubs, uh, lists or something? I dunno.

    I'm at least fairly certain it has nothing to do with web access. Beyond that I haven't
    seen a coherent description of what "fidoweb" means, let alone documentation of how it's set
    up or how it works.

    I did get the sense that it involved lots of nodes barfing loads of dupe messages at each
    other for no good reason.

    All I know is that the "editor" of "Fidonews" is using the echo for said "Fidonews" to harass and damn near torment others as he see fit, while breaking all the rules for said echo. It's a sad affair.

    I haven't tried to sort through the mess of what Fidonews is, or how / if it is different
    from ... Fidogazette? Not sure who the editor is.

    In any event, it seems like enough of a mess that I don't want to participate in that
    network in any meaningful way. Let the others wallow in their cesspool.

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  • From Joacim Melin@77:2/101 to Netsurge on Wed Aug 14 22:10:58 2019
    From: Netsurge <netsurge@scinet-ftn.org>

    On 2019-08-14 19:15:01 +0000, Joacim Melin said:

    Well, I was trying to be diplomatic.. one never knows what may show up >> in ones netmail.

    True, but I have been threatened by better men than him, lol.

    :) Then again you don't live ~5hrs from him... and I think he has guns...


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  • From Joacim Melin@77:2/101 to Netsurge on Wed Aug 14 22:13:50 2019
    Feltén has been harping about this "fidoweb" thing for years now and I
    still don 't have a fucking clue what he's on about. Is it web access?
    Is it that Fidonet should be available everywhere? Who knows.

    It is a poor attempt at a backbone amongst mail hubs, kinda of a hub
    and
    spoke system where mail would still flow if one of the hubs fell off.
    The
    problem with it is is causes massive dupes and you have egomaniacs
    running
    it. They tried to force it on people when in fact, people can get
    echomail
    from whomever the fuck they want.

    In today's day and age it is irrelevant. Here on SciNet for example.
    you can
    get mail via FTN, QWK and shortly NNTP. The more option for people to choose
    from the better IMO. This stupid centralized attempt at forcing people
    to use
    a backbone is stupid and controlling.

    All I know is that the "editor" of "Fidonews" is using the echo for said
    "Fidone ws" to harass and damn near torment others as he see fit, while
    breaking all the rules for said echo. It's a sad affair.

    Fidonews is useless and irrelevant. The best thing people can do is
    just drop
    the echo and let him yell into an empty chamber.

    I dropped it when I left the Fidonet the last time. Now I didn't even bother to subscribe to it again.


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  • From Joacim Melin@77:2/101 to echicken on Wed Aug 14 22:15:50 2019
    Re: Re: Fidonet
    By: Joacim Melin to echicken on Wed Aug 14 2019 21:19:29

    Felt?n has been harping about this "fidoweb" thing for years now and I
    still don't have a fucking clue what he's on about. Is it web access? Is
    it that Fidonet should be available everywhere? Who knows.

    My understanding is that it's a routing/distribution technique. Maybe
    some kind of
    peer-to-peer thing where nodes just connect to each other and maybe
    don't use a hub? Echoes
    that don't have to be in hubs, uh, lists or something? I dunno.

    I'm at least fairly certain it has nothing to do with web access.
    Beyond that I haven't
    seen a coherent description of what "fidoweb" means, let alone documentation of how it's set
    up or how it works.

    I did get the sense that it involved lots of nodes barfing loads of
    dupe messages at each
    other for no good reason.

    All I know is that the "editor" of "Fidonews" is using the echo for said

    "Fidonews" to harass and damn near torment others as he see fit, while
    breaking all the rules for said echo. It's a sad affair.

    I haven't tried to sort through the mess of what Fidonews is, or how /
    if it is different
    from ... Fidogazette? Not sure who the editor is.

    In any event, it seems like enough of a mess that I don't want to participate in that
    network in any meaningful way. Let the others wallow in their
    cesspool.

    I think Fidogazette was a competing effort to actually bring out something interesting and sensible. I may be wrong but that's the impression I got of it. I think it's dead now.


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  • From echicken@77:1/120 to Joacim Melin on Wed Aug 14 16:20:42 2019
    Re: Re: Fidonet
    By: Joacim Melin to echicken on Wed Aug 14 2019 22:15:50

    I think Fidogazette was a competing effort to actually bring out something interesting and sensible. I may be wrong but that's the impression I got of it.
    I think it's dead now.

    I suppose there would have to be some actual news or innovation happening for any kind of
    newsletter to serve a purpose (apart from being a list of which old sysops kicked the bucket
    this month).

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  • From Netsurge@77:77/5 to All on Wed Aug 14 16:20:56 2019
    From: Netsurge <netsurge@scinet-ftn.org>

    On 2019-08-14 19:35:57 +0000, echicken said:

    I did get the sense that it involved lots of nodes barfing loads of
    dupe messages at each
    other for no good reason.

    It is essentially an attempt to recreate a backbone with loads of
    nodes. An idea that just won't work with this type of technology.

    I haven't tried to sort through the mess of what Fidonews is, or how /
    if it is different
    from ... Fidogazette? Not sure who the editor is.

    Janis is the editor of Fidogazette, it was created because of the
    cesspool that Felton made Fidonews. Don't get me wrong, they are both
    useless but it just goes to show you how shallow people can be.
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  • From Alterego@77:3/101 to Netsurge on Thu Aug 15 09:40:44 2019
    Re: Fidonet
    By: Netsurge to All on Wed Aug 14 2019 01:04 pm

    Do you participate in Fidonet? If so how active are you and what are
    your thoughts on the state of good old fight-o-net?

    So I was disappointed after I rejoined (about a year ago now) - to see all the childish bickering.

    As a result, a hopefully gleam over messages to see if there is something interest, but as soon as I notice a bickering thread of tone, I pass over to the next message.

    I've innocently asked questions when I first rejoined (what things where or what things meant), only to realise that was foddering for the bickering in many cases.

    I really dont get it, but at the same time, I really dont (want) to waste any energy on it. Happy to help out (and grow) other areas, if that keeps the hobby alive.
    ...ëîåã
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  • From Netsurge@77:77/5 to All on Wed Aug 14 20:48:26 2019
    From: Netsurge <netsurge@scinet-ftn.org>

    On 2019-08-15 00:15:08 +0000, Joacim Melin said:

    From: Netsurge <netsurge@scinet-ftn.org>

    On 2019-08-14 19:15:01 +0000, Joacim Melin said:

    Well, I was trying to be diplomatic.. one never knows what may show up >>> >> in ones
    netmail.

    True, but I have been threatened by better men than him, lol.

    :) Then again you don't live ~5hrs from him... and I think he has guns...

    Point taken but if that fucker ever threatened my wife or kids I can
    guarantee that would be the last time he would ever open his mouth
    again.

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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to NETSURGE on Wed Aug 14 19:01:00 2019
    Do you participate in Fidonet? If so how active are you and what are
    your thoughts on the state of good old fight-o-net?

    If you avoid the sysop and politics echoes, you will be just fine. IMHO, if you avoid those two it is a lot like any other network these days.

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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to NETSURGE on Wed Aug 14 19:13:00 2019
    Aside from the Synchronet, Mystic and Commodore echo, there isn't
    anything worth following. Everything else seems to be a bunch of lonely people who only have courage at their keyboards ready to pounce on
    anyone who might ask a question or offer a suggestion. Any initiative
    really gets nipped in the butt real quick. Two page messages around
    what flag should go where and who should come first.

    FWIW, the Cooking and Memories echoes are pretty active and were not like that the last time I checked into them.

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  • From Netsurge@77:77/5 to All on Wed Aug 14 23:16:08 2019
    From: Netsurge <netsurge@scinet-ftn.org>

    On 2019-08-14 23:01:00 +0000, Dumas Walker said:

    FWIW, the Cooking and Memories echoes are pretty active and were not like that
    the last time I checked into them.

    There are lots of echos that contain valuable content like Synchronet
    and the Commodore echo, but they are far and few between.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Dumas Walker on Wed Aug 14 23:51:50 2019
    If you avoid the sysop and politics echoes, you will be just fine.
    IMHO, if you avoid those two it is a lot like any other network these days.

    Those are 100% for sure ones to avoid. The issue is that most P4 thumpers, nodelist deniers and grudge holders lurk in every echo just waiting to
    pounce. Say something that sets them off or bring up a suggestion on how to make the network better and you will quickly regret it.

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  • From Apam@77:3/100 to Netsurge on Thu Aug 15 14:39:12 2019
    Re: Fidonet
    By: Netsurge to All on Wed Aug 14 2019 01:04 pm

    Do you participate in Fidonet? If so how active are you and what are
    your thoughts on the state of good old fight-o-net?

    Not anymore, I was on fidonet a while back but the areas I connected to (that interested me) didn't have any traffic, or were ad areas.

    I guess I avoided the flame war type echos, and I never posted (except in one of the ad areas, but they were bot posts).

    I don't remember much of fidonet from back in the day, I wasn't on it for very long then before shutting down. I guess my thoughts of fidonet are if people there are being disgusting, at least they're not here (or fsxnet). So I guess it's useful in that regard.

    Andrew
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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to Apam on Thu Aug 15 02:00:30 2019

    On Thursday August 15, 2019, Apam said to Netsurge...

    I don't remember much of fidonet from back in the day, I wasn't on it
    for very long then before shutting down. I guess my thoughts of fidonet
    are if people there are being disgusting, at least they're not here (or fsxnet). So I guess it's useful in that regard.

    Here-Here. I recently had one of the Fidonet-lusters apply to SciNet.
    Knowing his history all to well I denied the appliation. Last thing we need
    is anything like that here or on any other othernet. This is a dying hobby
    as it is, I don't want anyone to drive the nails any deeper into the coffin than they already are.

    [%] frank!netsurge // hysteriabbs.com // zeus 1.7 // amiga 4ooo [%]
    . SciNet! . the ftn of the bbs scene . https://diskshop.ca/scinet .

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  • From Joacim Melin@77:2/101 to Netsurge on Thu Aug 15 08:37:08 2019

    On Thursday August 15, 2019, Apam said to Netsurge...

    I don't remember much of fidonet from back in the day, I wasn't on it
    for very long then before shutting down. I guess my thoughts of fidonet
    are if people there are being disgusting, at least they're not here (or
    fsxnet). So I guess it's useful in that regard.

    Here-Here. I recently had one of the Fidonet-lusters apply to SciNet. Knowing his history all to well I denied the appliation. Last thing we
    need
    is anything like that here or on any other othernet. This is a dying
    hobby
    as it is, I don't want anyone to drive the nails any deeper into the
    coffin
    than they already are.

    Good call. They created their own pit of poo, now they can sit in it.


    --- NiKom v2.5.0
    * Origin: Delta City (deltacity.se, Vallentuna, Sweden) (77:2/101.0)
  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Joacim Melin on Thu Aug 15 02:37:22 2019
    Good call. They created their own pit of poo, now they can sit in it.

    I think they are some 50 feet below the shit. They have a far way to go just
    be able to sit in it.

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  • From Joacim Melin@77:2/101 to Netsurge on Thu Aug 15 10:41:50 2019
    Good call. They created their own pit of poo, now they can sit in it.

    I think they are some 50 feet below the shit. They have a far way to
    go just
    be able to sit in it.

    Maybe it's very dense poo so they don't actually sink in it? Sure would explain a lot.


    --- NiKom v2.5.0
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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to NETSURGE on Thu Aug 15 19:00:00 2019
    Janis is the editor of Fidogazette, it was created because of the
    cesspool that Felton made Fidonews. Don't get me wrong, they are both
    useless but it just goes to show you how shallow people can be.

    At least the gazette can be entertaining and non-abusive.

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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to NETSURGE on Thu Aug 15 19:12:00 2019
    Here-Here. I recently had one of the Fidonet-lusters apply to SciNet.

    BTW, in a roundabout way this brings up a question I have. Is this net
    called "SciNet" as the same way one would pronounce "Science," or is the C
    a "hard-C," making it pronounced like SKY-net?

    Just curious if some of those automated response deals you have set up are really a bunch of cyborgs waiting to take over cyberspace. :D

    "I'll be back." :D

    ---
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  • From Netsurge@77:77/5 to All on Thu Aug 15 23:26:46 2019
    From: Netsurge <netsurge@scinet-ftn.org>

    On 2019-08-15 23:00:00 +0000, Dumas Walker said:

    BTW, in a roundabout way this brings up a question I have. Is this net called "SciNet" as the same way one would pronounce "Science," or is the C
    a "hard-C," making it pronounced like SKY-net?

    Just curious if some of those automated response deals you have set up are really a bunch of cyborgs waiting to take over cyberspace. :D

    SciNet as Science or PsyNet for those hooked on phonics.

    Although now that you mention it, maybe it's time to change it to
    SkyNet and see if I can get automated response robots to become
    sentient.

    --
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    .
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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to NETSURGE on Fri Aug 16 16:38:00 2019
    SciNet as Science or PsyNet for those hooked on phonics.

    Although now that you mention it, maybe it's time to change it to
    SkyNet and see if I can get automated response robots to become
    sentient.

    Oh, dear, don't make me sorry I asked. LOL!

    ---
    * SLMR 2.1a * It's a cookbook! It's a cookbook!
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  • From Netsurge@77:77/5 to All on Fri Aug 16 20:23:36 2019
    From: Netsurge <netsurge@scinet-ftn.org>

    On 2019-08-16 20:38:00 +0000, Dumas Walker said:

    Oh, dear, don't make me sorry I asked. LOL!

    Are we not suppose to innovate in this hobby? Lol

    --
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  • From Black Panther@77:1/102 to Netsurge on Fri Aug 16 21:05:06 2019
    On 16 Aug 2019, Netsurge said the following...

    Oh, dear, don't make me sorry I asked. LOL!

    Are we not suppose to innovate in this hobby? Lol

    That depends on who you ask... (check subject line...) ;)


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  • From Netsurge@77:77/5 to All on Sat Aug 17 01:23:36 2019
    From: Netsurge <netsurge@scinet-ftn.org>

    On 2019-08-17 01:05:06 +0000, Black Panther said:

    Are we not suppose to innovate in this hobby? Lol

    That depends on who you ask... (check subject line...) ;)

    Touche!
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  • From Nelgin@77:1/119 to Dumas Walker on Sat Aug 17 10:08:20 2019
    Dumas wrote:
    Do you participate in Fidonet? If so how active are you and what are
    your thoughts on the state of good old fight-o-net?

    If you avoid the sysop and politics echoes, you will be just fine. IMHO, if you avoid those two it is a lot like any other network these days.

    ---
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    Dead?

    :)
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  • From DevNull@77:2/100 to Netsurge on Thu Aug 22 22:54:54 2019
    Do you participate in Fidonet? If so how active are you and what are
    your thoughts on the state of good old fight-o-net?

    My BBS is in Fidonet and sometimes I write in the international echos, but my main activity is centered in the Spanish echos. We are an small collective there, we dont want Fido to dissapear, but is more an emotional than a
    rational act xD

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  • From DevNull@77:2/100 to Joacim Melin on Thu Aug 22 23:04:06 2019
    For me personally, Fidonet could die tomorrow and I could not care less.

    /Joacim

    Wow ... after reading your post I'm starting to feel really scared about the 'people' in Fidonet o_O

    I know that there was mad people, but your experience has cross the red line, sorry to ear that ...

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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to DEVNULL on Thu Aug 22 19:35:00 2019
    My BBS is in Fidonet and sometimes I write in the international echos, but my main activity is centered in the Spanish echos. We are an small collective there, we dont want Fido to dissapear, but is more an emotional than a rational act xD

    If you stay out of the Fido sysop, fido tech, and politics echos you should
    be fine. Lots of nice folks in some of the chat echos like Memories.

    Are those Spanish echoes Zone 2 echos? There is/was a Latino Chat echo in
    Zone 1 but I have not seen traffic in it in a long, long time.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to DevNull on Fri Aug 23 00:45:24 2019
    My BBS is in Fidonet and sometimes I write in the international echos,
    but my main activity is centered in the Spanish echos. We are an small collective there, we dont want Fido to dissapear, but is more an
    emotional than a rational act xD

    The major problems are in Zone 1. The guys over in Zone 2 (with the exception of a few idiots) are pretty good. I know a few guys in R50 and the run that region like a fine oiled machine.

    On a side note, are you a football fan? I'm a big watcher of La Liga.

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  • From Avon@77:3/102 to Netsurge on Fri Aug 23 20:56:30 2019
    On 23 Aug 2019 at 12:45a, Netsurge pondered and said...

    The major problems are in Zone 1. The guys over in Zone 2 (with the exception of a few idiots) are pretty good. I know a few guys in R50 and

    ..and those Zone 3 guys - well, don't get me started on them :)

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Avon on Fri Aug 23 11:14:44 2019
    ..and those Zone 3 guys - well, don't get me started on them :)

    All 11 of them, lol.

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  • From Black Panther@77:1/102 to Netsurge on Fri Aug 23 11:43:42 2019
    On 23 Aug 2019, Netsurge said the following...

    ..and those Zone 3 guys - well, don't get me started on them :)

    All 11 of them, lol.

    But they're the ones you need to watch... ;)


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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Black Panther on Fri Aug 23 17:46:56 2019
    All 11 of them, lol.

    But they're the ones you need to watch... ;)

    Not at all, sometimes you need to poke them to make sure they are still awake.

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  • From DevNull@77:2/100 to Dumas Walker on Fri Aug 23 23:59:16 2019
    Are those Spanish echoes Zone 2 echos? There is/was a Latino Chat echo
    in Zone 1 but I have not seen traffic in it in a long, long time.

    Yep, all the echos are from the Zone 2, the most active one was the MSX's echo.

    But the other echos have a few messages per week.

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  • From DevNull@77:2/100 to Netsurge on Sat Aug 24 00:04:34 2019
    The major problems are in Zone 1. The guys over in Zone 2 (with the exception of a few idiots) are pretty good. I know a few guys in R50 and the run that region like a fine oiled machine.

    Its true, Any problem in R34 in years ... xD

    On a side note, are you a football fan? I'm a big watcher of La Liga.

    Nope I don't like football, but ... I work for LaLiga (One my best
    clients, I spend more time there than in my office) xDDDD

    If you come to Madrid, let me know and I can prepare a tour ;)

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  • From Alterego@77:3/101 to Black Panther on Sat Aug 24 10:08:28 2019
    Re: Re: Fidonet
    By: Black Panther to Netsurge on Fri Aug 23 2019 11:43 am

    All 11 of them, lol.
    But they're the ones you need to watch... ;)

    Yeah, we cover a 1/3 of the globe - imaging what we could do with 22 more? ...ëîåã

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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to NETSURGE on Fri Aug 23 20:22:00 2019
    The major problems are in Zone 1.

    Or between Z1 and Z2. :)

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  • From Netsurge@77:77/5 to All on Sat Aug 24 00:23:48 2019
    From: Netsurge <netsurge@scinet-ftn.org>

    On 2019-08-23 22:20:01 +0000, DevNull said:

    Nope I don't like football, but ... I work for LaLiga (One my best
    clients, I spend more time there than in my office) xDDDD

    If you come to Madrid, let me know and I can prepare a tour ;)

    I was in Barcelona last summer and was able to catch a game at Camp
    Nou, an incredible experience.

    I tried to get tickets to the Champions Cup final in Madrid earlier
    this year. Tickets that went up for the general public (fans who
    weren't supporter club members or either team playing in the final)
    were put up via a lottery system and I didn't win.

    Personally, I'm a big Real Madrid fan, Doing work for La Liga would be
    a dream job for me.

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  • From Netsurge@77:77/5 to All on Sat Aug 24 00:25:54 2019
    From: Netsurge <netsurge@scinet-ftn.org>

    On 2019-08-24 00:22:00 +0000, Dumas Walker said:


    The major problems are in Zone 1.

    Or between Z1 and Z2. :)

    Don't get me wrong, Zone 2 has it's fair share of idiots, some are
    extreme morons, but we have a larger group of them. Some took
    leadership roles for years and caused the major rift between the zones.
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  • From Avon@77:3/102 to Netsurge on Sat Aug 24 17:23:40 2019
    On 24 Aug 2019 at 12:25a, Netsurge pondered and said...

    Don't get me wrong, Zone 2 has it's fair share of idiots, some are extreme morons, but we have a larger group of them. Some took
    leadership roles for years and caused the major rift between the zones.

    The issue as I see it is we're all suckered into talking about Zone this and Zone that... it's really just all about people, people who behave in a way
    that does not sit well with other people... and when you can somehow start to pin that behavior on geography I think it's a quick slide down misleading hill... :)

    Regardless of where we all live there are some good folks about and some real bag eggs also. The joys! :)

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  • From Netsurge@77:77/5 to All on Sat Aug 24 17:34:02 2019
    From: Netsurge <netsurge@scinet-ftn.org>

    On 2019-08-24 05:25:01 +0000, Avon said:

    The issue as I see it is we're all suckered into talking about Zone this and Zone that... it's really just all about people, people who behave in a way that does not sit well with other people... and when you can somehow start to pin that behavior on geography I think it's a quick slide down misleading hill... :)

    Regardless of where we all live there are some good folks about and some real bag eggs also. The joys! :)

    Alas, you are correct. The Zone wars never really ended.
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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to DevNull on Sun Aug 25 03:18:56 2019

    On Friday August 23, 2019, Devnull said to Dumas Walker...

    Yep, all the echos are from the Zone 2, the most active one was the
    MSX's echo.

    Wait, as in the Microsoft computer from the 80s?

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to Alterego on Sun Aug 25 03:19:32 2019

    On Saturday August 24, 2019, Alterego said to Black Panther...

    Yeah, we cover a 1/3 of the globe - imaging what we could do with 22
    more? ...

    Empire building eh, lol.

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  • From Avon@77:3/102 to Alterego on Sun Aug 25 20:47:52 2019
    On 24 Aug 2019 at 10:08a, Alterego pondered and said...

    Yeah, we cover a 1/3 of the globe - imaging what we could do with 22
    more? ...ëîåã

    wait what.. you mean there's more of us living down under :)

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  • From DevNull@77:2/100 to Netsurge on Sun Aug 25 23:04:04 2019
    Yep, all the echos are from the Zone 2, the most active one was the MSX's echo.

    Wait, as in the Microsoft computer from the 80s?

    Yes, here is a huge base of MSX users xD

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  • From Netsurge@77:77/5 to All on Sun Aug 25 23:02:52 2019
    From: Netsurge <netsurge@scinet-ftn.org>

    On 2019-08-25 21:15:01 +0000, DevNull said:

    Yes, here is a huge base of MSX users xD

    [+] NetMail DevNull @ [2:341/203] [46:2/103] [57:245/13] [9:92/8] [21:4/118]
    [+] PGP KeyID 0x1352338D

    Someone has to give it some love.

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  • From Joacim Melin@77:2/101 to Netsurge on Mon Aug 26 07:49:24 2019

    On Friday August 23, 2019, Devnull said to Dumas Walker...

    Yep, all the echos are from the Zone 2, the most active one was the
    MSX's echo.

    Wait, as in the Microsoft computer from the 80s?

    It wasn't a 'Microsoft' computer. Microsoft did the architecture together with Sanyo and there was a ton of companies who manufactured it (Sony, Samsung, Sharp, Casio, etc).

    Basically, Microsoft ported their Basic to the MSX spec and it was included in every MSX computer made. It was based on the Z80 CPU by the way.

    We never saw much of them here in Sweden. I know ONE guy who had one when I was a teenager and he would always explain to me how MSX would take over the world and it was a superior architecture and then ask if he could come over to my house and play the latest games on my C64...



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  • From Joacim Melin@77:2/101 to DevNull on Mon Aug 26 07:55:26 2019
    For me personally, Fidonet could die tomorrow and I could not care less.


    /Joacim

    Wow ... after reading your post I'm starting to feel really scared
    about the
    'people' in Fidonet o_O

    I know that there was mad people, but your experience has cross the
    red line,
    sorry to ear that ...

    Thanks. I guess if the people in power in Fidonet do everything to scare people away they actually do want the network to die... they just don't understand it.. yet.


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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Joacim Melin on Mon Aug 26 11:54:02 2019
    It wasn't a 'Microsoft' computer. Microsoft did the architecture
    together with S anyo and there was a ton of companies who manufactured
    it (Sony, Samsung, Sharp, Casio, etc).

    I always thought it was their machine, errr, well, they came up with the
    idea, partially.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Joacim Melin on Mon Aug 26 11:55:04 2019
    Thanks. I guess if the people in power in Fidonet do everything to
    scare people away they actually do want the network to die... they just don't understand it. . yet.

    If they haven't gotten it by now, then they never will.

    They need to step outside every now and then and get some fresh air. Maybe
    then they will realize that this is just a hobby.

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  • From Nightfox@77:1/110 to Netsurge on Tue Aug 27 13:19:04 2019
    Re: Fidonet
    By: Netsurge to All on Wed Aug 14 2019 01:04 pm

    I shake my head at the notion that people believe that Fidonet is still some great and mighty network and that anyone who runs a bbs owes it something and should participate.

    I have FidoNet on my BBS, but I don't read FidoNet much. It seems like it's not much of what it once was, at least in terms of activity. There are only a couple echos I'm interested in right now, and there isn't much activity in the ones I'm interested in.

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  • From Nightfox@77:1/110 to Gamgee on Tue Aug 27 13:22:04 2019
    Re: Re: Fidonet
    By: Gamgee to Netsurge <netsurge@scinet-ftn.org> on Wed Aug 14 2019 12:24 pm

    I have to admit that I like Fidonet despite it's obvious faults.
    To me it's like an old pair of jeans that just ... fit and are comfortable. Or maybe how you can't resist rubber-necking at a
    car accident or something on the highway when you go by. It
    certainly has "fallen from grace" compared to it's state of 25
    years ago, but it's not dead yet. :-)

    When I ran my original BBS in the 90s, I often felt like FidoNet was something I always wanted to join, and when I did, I felt like I had done something significant. It felt pretty cool that my BBS was then part of a global network. I joined FidoNet fairly late in running my BBS though, only 2 years before I eventually took my original BBS down for good. I have since re-joined FidoNet with my current BBS though.

    Nightfox
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  • From DevNull@77:2/100 to Netsurge on Tue Aug 27 22:17:46 2019
    Hi Frank !

    Personally, I'm a big Real Madrid fan, Doing work for La Liga would be
    a dream job for me.

    I'm currently building the Research and Development dpt there. We are playing for example with AI for image recognition, cognitive chatbots, multicam player tracking and a mini supercomputing cluster ( 6 nodes, with 2 Tesla V100 each one ). Hashcat runs really well there xD

    We are always looking for new ideas ... If you come to Madrid and want to
    visit our Lab, let me know ...

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  • From DevNull@77:2/100 to Netsurge on Tue Aug 27 22:23:38 2019
    Regardless of where we all live there are some good folks about and some bag eggs also. The joys! :)

    Alas, you are correct. The Zone wars never really ended.

    "The Cold Zone War"... "Prepare your tosser, mailer and modem. The 87's summer will be full of blood" ...

    Sounds like a eighties trailer ... xD

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  • From DevNull@77:2/100 to Joacim Melin on Tue Aug 27 22:30:36 2019
    Thanks. I guess if the people in power in Fidonet do everything to scare people away they actually do want the network to die... they just don't understand it.. yet.

    Having alternatives like Scinet or other FTN Networks full of nice people ... you are right, is not a good policy.

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  • From DevNull@77:2/100 to Netsurge on Tue Aug 27 22:36:44 2019
    It wasn't a 'Microsoft' computer. Microsoft did the architecture together with S anyo and there was a ton of companies who manufacture it (Sony, Samsung, Sharp, Casio, etc).

    I always thought it was their machine, errr, well, they came up with the idea, partially.

    A lot of people thinks that MSX means MicroSoft eXtended.... But it was first named MNX (Matsushita, Nishi and X from unlimited power). But that name was registered, so they changed from Nishi to Sony (The first company who
    licensed the standar), and from there MSX.

    Or this is the legend behind the name xD

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Nightfox on Tue Aug 27 17:23:52 2019
    I have FidoNet on my BBS, but I don't read FidoNet much. It seems like it's not much of what it once was, at least in terms of activity. There are only a coup le echos I'm interested in right now, and there isn't
    much activity in the ones I'm interested in.

    Not even close. There are less than 1000 nodes and I'd be willing to be that 400 or so of them are dead and just haven't been pruned. It's a far cry from the 30,000+ only 10 or 15 years ago.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Nightfox on Tue Aug 27 17:25:36 2019
    When I ran my original BBS in the 90s, I often felt like FidoNet was something I always wanted to join, and when I did, I felt like I had
    done something signifi cant. It felt pretty cool that my BBS was then part of a global network. I joi ned FidoNet fairly late in running my
    BBS though, only 2 years before I eventual ly took my original BBS down for good. I have since re-joined FidoNet with my c urrent BBS though.

    The initial idea behind it was great. An amateur network that spanned the globe, allowing people to interact with others on the other side of the
    world. Alas, the internet came along and 97% of those participating jumped ship. You really can't blame them for doing so.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to DevNull on Tue Aug 27 17:27:04 2019
    I'm currently building the Research and Development dpt there. We are playing for example with AI for image recognition, cognitive chatbots, multicam player tracking and a mini supercomputing cluster ( 6 nodes,
    with 2 Tesla V100 each one ). Hashcat runs really well there xD

    That is amazing. I played football for many years, even playing for Canada's under 19 national team many moons ago. I'm a huge fanatic.

    I will now move the need to visit Madrid to the top of my trip list!

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to DevNull on Tue Aug 27 17:28:16 2019
    "The Cold Zone War"... "Prepare your tosser, mailer and modem. The 87's summer will be full of blood" ...

    Sounds like a eighties trailer ... xD

    Starring John Cusack, Kevin Bacon and Ralph Macchio as the ZCs.

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  • From Black Panther@77:1/102 to Netsurge on Tue Aug 27 15:35:34 2019
    On 27 Aug 2019, Netsurge said the following...

    Not even close. There are less than 1000 nodes and I'd be willing to be that 400 or so of them are dead and just haven't been pruned. It's a far cry from the 30,000+ only 10 or 15 years ago.

    Last time I checked, there was about 20 dead nodes just in region 15. Then,
    of course, you have the RC with over 20 listings just for himself...


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  • From Nightfox@77:1/110 to Netsurge on Tue Aug 27 14:51:00 2019
    Re: Re: Fidonet
    By: Netsurge to Nightfox on Tue Aug 27 2019 05:23 pm

    I have FidoNet on my BBS, but I don't read FidoNet much. It seems
    like it's not much of what it once was, at least in terms of
    activity. There are only a coup le echos I'm interested in right
    now, and there isn't much activity in the ones I'm interested in.

    Not even close. There are less than 1000 nodes and I'd be willing to be that 400 or so of them are dead and just haven't been pruned. It's a far cry from the 30,000+ only 10 or 15 years ago.

    I'd be surprised if there were still that many 10-15 years ago. I always thought the number of BBSes dropped off significantly after the mid-late 90s.

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  • From Nightfox@77:1/110 to Netsurge on Tue Aug 27 14:55:04 2019
    Re: Re: Fidonet
    By: Netsurge to Nightfox on Tue Aug 27 2019 05:25 pm

    The initial idea behind it was great. An amateur network that spanned the globe, allowing people to interact with others on the other side of the world. Alas, the internet came along and 97% of those participating jumped ship. You really can't blame them for doing so.

    Yeah, I got into the internet right away. I was using chat programs such as ICQ to talk to people around the world on the internet.

    Nightfox
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  • From Alterego@77:3/101 to Netsurge on Wed Aug 28 08:45:50 2019
    Re: Re: Fidonet
    By: Netsurge to Nightfox on Tue Aug 27 2019 05:23 pm

    Not even close. There are less than 1000 nodes and I'd be willing to be that 400 or so of them are dead and just haven't been pruned. It's a far cry from the 30,000+ only 10 or 15 years ago.

    And a good portion of the remaining 600 a probably there, because they joined to re-live their youth, discovered how unfriendly it is, joined "othernets" but never disconnected.

    I dont think I've posted in a fido for a while now - and I really only posted a couple of messages when I joined, and I asked "whats NAB" - and boy did that open a kettle of worms...

    Now that I think about it, I should ask again... ;0
    ...ëîåã

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Black Panther on Tue Aug 27 21:44:20 2019
    Last time I checked, there was about 20 dead nodes just in region 15. Then, of course, you have the RC with over 20 listings just for
    himself...

    I never understood that one. RC and REC is all you need.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Nightfox on Tue Aug 27 21:47:16 2019
    Yeah, I got into the internet right away. I was using chat programs
    such as ICQ to talk to people around the world on the internet.

    And newsgroups came along and provided the "echomail" functionality in a centralized manner.

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  • From Black Panther@77:1/102 to Netsurge on Tue Aug 27 21:14:46 2019
    On 27 Aug 2019, Netsurge said the following...

    Then, of course, you have the RC with over 20 listings just for himself...

    I never understood that one. RC and REC is all you need.

    Is the REC still being used? I thought that was removed...


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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Black Panther on Wed Aug 28 13:13:22 2019
    Is the REC still being used? I thought that was removed...

    It is still active.

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  • From Joacim Melin@77:2/101 to DevNull on Wed Aug 28 10:37:22 2019
    It wasn't a 'Microsoft' computer. Microsoft did the architecture
    together with S anyo and there was a ton of companies who manufactur
    e
    it (Sony, Samsung, Sharp, Casio, etc).

    I always thought it was their machine, errr, well, they came up with the
    idea, partially.

    A lot of people thinks that MSX means MicroSoft eXtended.... But it
    was first
    named MNX (Matsushita, Nishi and X from unlimited power). But that
    name was
    registered, so they changed from Nishi to Sony (The first company who licensed the standar), and from there MSX.

    Or this is the legend behind the name xD

    It would have been very entertaining if Microsoft actually spent millions and millions of dollars on a Z80 based home computer instead of developing Windows...


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  • From Joacim Melin@77:2/101 to Netsurge on Wed Aug 28 23:05:42 2019
    I have FidoNet on my BBS, but I don't read FidoNet much. It seems like
    it's not much of what it once was, at least in terms of activity. There
    are only a coup le echos I'm interested in right now, and there isn't
    much activity in the ones I'm interested in.

    Not even close. There are less than 1000 nodes and I'd be willing to
    be that
    400 or so of them are dead and just haven't been pruned. It's a far
    cry from
    the 30,000+ only 10 or 15 years ago.

    To this day I have no idea why all those dead nodes aren't removed from the nodelists. It's like they live in a illusion that one day, ONE GLORIOUS DAY, all these BBS:es will be ressurrected from the dead and will start polling again.

    Bloody hell Fidonet is a mess.


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  • From Joacim Melin@77:2/101 to Alterego on Wed Aug 28 23:10:00 2019
    Re: Re: Fidonet
    By: Netsurge to Nightfox on Tue Aug 27 2019 05:23 pm

    Not even close. There are less than 1000 nodes and I'd be willing to be t
    hat 400 or so of them are dead and just haven't been pruned. It's a
    far cry from the 30,000+ only 10 or 15 years ago.

    And a good portion of the remaining 600 a probably there, because they joined to re-live their youth, discovered how unfriendly it is, joined "othernets" but never disconnected.

    I dont think I've posted in a fido for a while now - and I really only posted a couple of messages when I joined, and I asked "whats NAB" -
    and boy did that open a kettle of worms...

    Now that I think about it, I should ask again... ;0

    Do report back on the outcome. Meanwhile, I'll get the popcorn.


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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Joacim Melin on Thu Aug 29 19:49:50 2019
    To this day I have no idea why all those dead nodes aren't removed from the node lists. It's like they live in a illusion that one day, ONE GLORIOUS DAY, all the se BBS:es will be ressurrected from the dead and will start polling again.

    A lot of RC's like to flaunt that they still have big nets. Bullshit I say. Look at my region, 12. 2 Nets and all the nodes are active.

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  • From HusTler@77:77/10 to Joacim Melin on Fri Aug 30 08:29:22 2019
    Re: Re: Fidonet
    By: Joacim Melin to Alterego on Wed Aug 28 2019 11:10 pm

    Not even close. There are less than 1000 nodes and I'd be willing to be t
    hat 400 or so of them are dead and just haven't been pruned. It's a
    far cry from the 30,000+ only 10 or 15 years ago.
    And a good portion of the remaining 600 a probably there, because they joined to re-live their youth, discovered how unfriendly it is, joined "othernets" but never disconnected.

    I recently relived a bad experience with Fidonet. I was a member in the 90's and was subjected to SysOps with Egos and now again this past month. I was foolish to think I could revisit Fidonet without headachs. Fidonet is not worth the work and trouble. Stay away from it. There are so many friendly networks to join these days.

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