• g00r00 and fsxNet

    From Netsurge@77:77/5 to All on Sat Mar 28 01:30:16 2020
    For those of you who aren't a member of fsxNet, I posted this on fsxNet
    today with regards to g00r00 leaving fsxNet.

    [start]

    It disguts me that after g00r00 decided to leave fsxNet he has received numerous emails with death threats and abusive comments.

    I consider g00r00 a friend and no matter what g00r00 may have said or
    what Avon might have said or what the truth really is, this is a
    fucking hobby.

    The dumbass scum who have sent him death threats should just decide to
    make it easier for the rest of us and jump out a window and end their
    pathetic existence. Get out of your mother's basement, put on some
    fucking pants, shave that ridiculous neck beard and get some fresh air
    or walk in front of a moving truck, either is fine with me.

    Is your existence so pathetic that sending death threats to someone who
    has spent over 25 years working on and releasing bbs software so that
    we can enjoy this hobby makes you feel better yourself? While you
    barely know how to fucking turn a computer on and require watching a
    YouTube video in order to setup a BBS? Give your fucking head a shake
    bud.

    This is a sad day for this hobby.

    [end]
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  • From g00r00@77:1/138 to Netsurge on Sat Mar 28 10:49:36 2020
    It disguts me that after g00r00 decided to leave fsxNet he has received numerous emails with death threats and abusive comments.

    I consider g00r00 a friend and no matter what g00r00 may have said or what Avon might have said or what the truth really is, this is a
    fucking hobby.

    Yep this is what happens when someone posts *hugely dishonest* messages like Avon did. The irony is that he talks about being nice at the end of a message when it was literally crafted with the intent to attack me (inciting his little circle of people to threaten and harass me) lol!

    Its not hard to see why I left a network with people who act like that.

    Like I said before, anyone who gets that upset when someone else they don't know decides to not read a FidoNet BBS network really needs to take a step back and take a long deep look at themselves instead of trying to point fingers at someone else.

    Good riddance.

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  • From Nitro@77:1/130 to g00r00 on Sat Mar 28 08:52:02 2020
    Like I said before, anyone who gets that upset when someone else they don't know decides to not read a FidoNet BBS network really needs to
    take a step back and take a long deep look at themselves instead of
    trying to point fingers at someone else.

    Yes it is getting pretty wild over there, it has left me scratching my head
    as to what it wrong with people? I enjoy my hobby, if it pissed me off that much I wouldnt do it, life can do that on its own! Thank you for all you
    do, and specifically for all the help you have given me!

    Regards,

    Nitro

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  • From Atreyu@77:1/103 to G00R00 on Sat Mar 28 12:04:50 2020
    On 28 Mar 20 10:49:37, G00R00 said the following to Netsurge:

    Yep this is what happens when someone posts *hugely dishonest* messages like Avon did. The irony is that he talks about being nice at the end of a messag when it was literally crafted with the intent to attack me (inciting his lit circle of people to threaten and harass me) lol!

    I never received threatening messages over FTN before. Some good trolling but never any threats. I'm jealous now actually?

    Atreyu

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  • From echicken@77:1/120 to Atreyu on Sat Mar 28 12:11:50 2020
    Re: Re: g00r00 and fsxNet
    By: Atreyu to G00R00 on Sat Mar 28 2020 12:04:51

    I never received threatening messages over FTN before. Some good trolling but
    never any threats. I'm jealous now actually?

    The worst I've ever gotten was an insinuation that if the offended party and I were to chance upon one another in person it would not go well for me. Fear of the implied beating left me feeling very unsettled. I changed my name, moved to another country, and spent the next several years looking over my shoulder constantly.

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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to NETSURGE on Sat Mar 28 10:56:00 2020
    It disguts me that after g00r00 decided to leave fsxNet he has received numerous emails with death threats and abusive comments.

    That is pretty low.


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  • From -= Havok =-@77:77/10 to g00r00 on Sat Mar 28 16:18:00 2020
    Re: Re: g00r00 and fsxNet
    By: g00r00 to Netsurge on Sat Mar 28 2020 10:49 am


    Like I said before, anyone who gets that upset when someone else they don't know decides to not read a FidoNet BBS network really needs to take a step back and take a long deep look at themselves instead of trying to point fingers at someone else.

    I look up to you as real code artist but I'm sorry to hear about all this
    mess.

    As netsurge stated, everyone check your ego at the door.

    Thanks for being around.



    -= Havok =-

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  • From ryan@77:1/128 to echicken on Sat Mar 28 14:01:02 2020
    The worst I've ever gotten was an insinuation that if the offended party and I were to chance upon one another in person it would not go well for me. Fear of the implied beating left me feeling very unsettled. I
    changed my name, moved to another country, and spent the next several years looking over my shoulder constantly.

    While I appreciate the sarcasm (hehe) I've dealt with plenty of internet
    tough guys in my life. In fact it's one of the reasons I abandoned Facebook...which I feel is a complete cesspool at this point. Funny that my girlfriend works there :P

    The one true constant is that no matter what medium people are allowed to communicate on, they're assholes.

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  • From jokker@77:1/100 to -= Havok =- on Sat Mar 28 17:49:18 2020

    As netsurge stated, everyone check your ego at the door.

    Well if I have to leave mine outside, will one be provided for me inside the establishment? Is there a selection available to rent for the evening?

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to jokker on Sat Mar 28 19:16:40 2020
    Well if I have to leave mine outside, will one be provided for me inside the establishment? Is there a selection available to rent for the
    evening?

    Yes, we have a selection of "mild" and "moderate" egos to choose from. You
    will need one as your is too big to fit through port 23.

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  • From -= Havok =-@77:77/10 to jokker on Sat Mar 28 18:58:00 2020
    Re: Re: g00r00 and fsxNet
    By: jokker to -= Havok =- on Sat Mar 28 2020 05:49 pm


    Well if I have to leave mine outside, will one be provided for me inside the establishment? Is there a selection available to rent for the evening?

    Depends laughing how much cash you got, you know the old saying can you walk
    the talk.

    About as much as me renting a new body!

    <grin>

    -= Havok =-

    ... In the future, everyone will be famous for fifteen minutes.

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  • From -= Havok =-@77:77/10 to Netsurge on Sat Mar 28 19:53:00 2020
    Re: Re: g00r00 and fsxNet
    By: Netsurge to jokker on Sat Mar 28 2020 07:16 pm


    Yes, we have a selection of "mild" and "moderate" egos to choose from. You will need one as your is too big to fit through port 23.

    [laughing]

    I don't know if it is you Frank or the Jack & Coke or both!
    but I love it!




    -= Havok =-

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  • From apam@77:3/103 to g00r00 on Sun Mar 29 10:10:30 2020
    It disguts me that after g00r00 decided to leave fsxNet he has
    received numerous emails with death threats and abusive
    comments.
    I consider g00r00 a friend and no matter what g00r00 may have
    said or what Avon might have said or what the truth really
    is, this is a fucking hobby.

    Yep this is what happens when someone posts *hugely dishonest*
    messages like Avon did. The irony is that he talks about being nice
    at the end of a message when it was literally crafted with the
    intent to attack me (inciting his little circle of people to
    threaten and harass me) lol!

    Oh please. Did you even read his message?

    You really live in your own little world don't you. Everyone who
    disagrees with you is out to get you. And if you're held to a standard
    that *EVERYONE ELSE IS* you shit the bed and throw a temper tantrum.

    Sorry, death threats are not ok. But stirring up bullshit isn't either. "Literally crafted as in intent to attack you" dear god.

    Whatever.

    Andrew

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to -= Havok =- on Sat Mar 28 21:40:30 2020
    I don't know if it is you Frank or the Jack & Coke or both!
    but I love it!

    I seem to be more tolerable with alcohol.

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  • From Avon@77:3/102 to g00r00 on Sun Mar 29 16:32:02 2020
    On 28 Mar 2020 at 10:49a, g00r00 pondered and said...

    Yep this is what happens when someone posts *hugely dishonest* messages like Avon did. The irony is that he talks about being nice at the end of
    a message when it was literally crafted with the intent to attack me (inciting his little circle of people to threaten and harass me) lol!

    James, the irony of what you're doing by posting this misinformation is not lost on me. I have not posted anything publicly in fsxNet that is untruthful with respect to your recent departure and the way I felt about it.

    Despite reaching out to you via netmail and a follow-up email my attempts to seek clarity as to why I was removed from the Wiki without any notice or what you meant by your last netmail message to me went unanswered.

    That was until your email a couple of days ago asking me to stop saying whatever it was I was saying about you, and you sharing a threatening email
    you had received with me.

    You will recall my reply was apologetic about you getting such an email, that
    I affirmed that I didn't condone it nor seek any such actions like that
    against you.

    I offered to post something to fsxNet requesting any misguided vitriol cease against you and pointed to my message of kindness to all (and you) in my original echomail post. Your reply asked me not to post something else and to 'let it go'. So I did.

    Imagine my surprise to read Franks rather heated post in fsxNet a few days later covering the exact same subject. I didn't share anything about this subject with anyone so that leaves you as the source. Why do that I wonder?

    Subsequent to Franks post I have followed up with a public request for any emails being sent to you to be civil and reiterated to all I don't condone
    any such actions against anyone.

    Your more than welcome to post and hang out wherever you choose to. I have no issue with that whatsoever. You seem to think I am making you out as 'the bad guy' (your words) for doing that. I don't see you as that at all. If your unhappy by all means depart.

    I am disappointed and hurt about the way I have been treated by you with the Wiki access cut, something done without any notice or reason given.

    After a few emails between us you're now finally addressing this by stating
    the lock down was temporary and impacted 'everyone just in case there would
    be any sort of fallout'. That's good know, can't understand why this was not shared sooner?

    'Fallout' by whom? 'Everyone' is a lot of people. Is that you and me? because I'm hard pressed to know of any others that have been active on the Wiki since it started in 2016. Give that I've done the bulk of the content on it ever since.

    It's clear in your few emails to me that you're unhappy about a perceived
    lack of moderation in fsxNet. You have not discussed this with me at any time prior to this point. I am not a mind reader. While I may read your exchanges with someone you don't like, I won't jump in to moderate unless I see people straying from the goals and values of the network. In a recent exchange
    between yourself, Deon and Al I didn't see that threshold reached.

    I do expect everyone in fsxNet to conduct themselves according to the goals
    and values of the network, yourself included. The very fact fsxNet has stated goals and values compared to othernets might well suggest something to the average punter about how the network is in fact run.

    In the past I have called others out (yourself included) on poor behaviour. I did the same last week in FSX_GEN last week as referenced in my recent public post about your departure.

    Just because you encounter people who you don't agree with doesn't mean they are a) wrong or b) the network they are posting their thoughts in is bad.
    It means you don't like what they are saying. I do get that.

    What I don't get it that you happily choose to overlook years of constructive encounters and feedback about Mystic with numerous people in fsxNet (myself included) when something occurs you dislike.

    They are not all 'obvious troublemakers' intent on destroying your work. As recently as 17 March you were thanking 'them' in FSX_MYS for their feedback.

    As recently as 13 March you were thanking me in private for a netmail of support I sent you the day prior. As far as I can tell you're a happy chap.

    If this all reads familiar it's because it's the same message I emailed you about a few days ago. That's the one you responded to me with by calling these comments a 'collection of extreme entitlement'.

    You reminded me that I have worked with Mystic for only a handful of years vs. others who have worked with you for 25 years without any problems.

    I don't dispute the duration of my involvement/use of Mystic vs. yours. I do find the inference that 'it's me' and not 'you' that may be the issue here interesting by you stating this.

    From my point of view you do yourself nor those who enjoy your software any favours by acting in this way at times like this. People can be left to judge things as they so choose to, and through whatever moral compass and lenses they want to apply.

    I enjoy using your software but I have not enjoyed the accusations of targeting you, of being an 'entitled' person, of 'painting one-sided pictures of you' etc. etc.

    I had/have tried to engage with you (sometimes without any reply) in a
    reasoned fashion. I just can't say I feel the same way about your treatment
    of me.

    Best wishes for your future development of Mystic.

    Paul

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  • From -= Havok =-@77:77/10 to Netsurge on Sun Mar 29 05:24:00 2020
    Re: Re: g00r00 and fsxNet
    By: Netsurge to -= Havok =- on Sat Mar 28 2020 09:40 pm

    I seem to be more tolerable with alcohol.

    Well keep up the good work it was a good thing, drunk or not!

    Thanks...

    -= Havok =-

    ... Communism is the opiate of the intellectuals.

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  • From Phoobar@77:1/129 to Netsurge on Sun Mar 29 01:26:24 2020
    the establishment? Is there a selection available to rent for the evening?
    Yes, we have a selection of "mild" and "moderate" egos to choose from.
    You will need one as your is too big to fit through port 23.

    I call dibs for the "Homer" ego like the guy from the 2nd Zombieland movie.

    ACME BBS-Member of fsxNet/WWIVNet/SciNet/AmigaNet/VKRadio/FidoNet/MicroNet.

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  • From Phoobar@77:1/129 to Netsurge on Sun Mar 29 01:30:18 2020
    I don't know if it is you Frank or the Jack & Coke or both!
    but I love it!
    I seem to be more tolerable with alcohol.

    My roommate had a brownie made for him by his sister on Thursday. He said I could have a slice...so I did this morning with my breakfast. BEST brownie I ever had & got me to thinking about it. Got home & my roommate was talking to me...so I asked him if his sister put a "special" ingredient in there.
    Thought he was going to stroke out from laughing so hard. Said she didn't & I mentioned that that was too bad...since work was a bear today & would've made it better. ;D

    ACME BBS-Member of fsxNet/WWIVNet/SciNet/AmigaNet/VKRadio/FidoNet/MicroNet.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/03/18 (Windows/32)
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  • From g00r00@77:1/138 to ryan on Sun Mar 29 07:59:00 2020
    While I appreciate the sarcasm (hehe) I've dealt with plenty of internet tough guys in my life. In fact it's one of the reasons I abandoned Facebook...which I feel is a complete cesspool at this point. Funny that my girlfriend works there :P

    This is an interesting thought. I wonder how many people who work at
    Facebook don't actually use it?

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  • From g00r00@77:1/138 to apam on Sun Mar 29 08:02:26 2020
    Oh please. Did you even read his message?

    Yes and it was nonsense. He should have spoke to me like a human instead of conjuring up the crazy scenario he did, and then using it to attack me in a place where he knew I couldn't see it or respond.

    I never banned him from the Wiki, I shut all editing off for everyone as a precaution because I (correctly) predicted the behavior of the unstable people in that network.

    I didn't refuse to answer his e-mails, I was traveling for Korea to the US (which *everyone* knew).

    I didn't have a mental issue and leave FSX, I had 3 fucking surgeries and then my dad died and thats why I took a break from the BBS scene.

    And he sure as hell hasn't done 90% of the work on the Wiki, not even close.

    You really live in your own little world don't you. Everyone who
    disagrees with you is out to get you. And if you're held to a standard that *EVERYONE ELSE IS* you shit the bed and throw a temper tantrum.

    I left that network with a polite message that explained why I was leaving, and there was a long history of previous issues. I did nothing else after that. For any resonable group of people, it would have ended there.

    I am dumbfounded by the way you guys continue to attack and insult me. You've personally insulted me for YEARS and I have never once done the same back even once. You're literally doing it again in your post here, but for some reason none of you seem to be able to develop enough self-awareness to see your own behavior.

    The only shit-the-bed temper tantrum happening here is from you.

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    * Origin: Sector 7 (77:1/138)
  • From g00r00@77:1/138 to Avon on Sun Mar 29 08:43:32 2020
    James, the irony of what you're doing by posting this misinformation is not lost on me. I have not posted anything publicly in fsxNet that is untruthful with respect to your recent departure and the way I felt
    about it.

    The thing to key on here is *the way you felt about it*. There is your emotionally driven interpretation, and then there is a reality.

    Despite reaching out to you via netmail and a follow-up email my
    attempts to seek clarity as to why I was removed from the Wiki without
    any notice or what you meant by your last netmail message to me went

    I never received a netmail from you, again you're embelishing the story.

    And you know damn well that I was traveling from the US to Korea and at least in this case, the rest of the damn community did too so you can't pull that card and get away with it to any reasonable person.

    When I did check my e-mail you were the first person I responded to.

    I offered to post something to fsxNet requesting any misguided vitriol cease against you and pointed to my message of kindness to all (and you) in my original echomail post. Your reply asked me not to post something else and to 'let it go'. So I did.

    Did you let it go? Did you? Because you're here now keeping this going.

    I would appreciate if you did let it go and move on.

    Imagine my surprise to read Franks rather heated post in fsxNet a few
    days later covering the exact same subject. I didn't share anything
    about this subject with anyone so that leaves you as the source. Why do that I wonder?

    This is hilarious. You released private conversations between you and I without my consent, and when I told you that was not cool you told me that you had the right to do that if you wanted to.

    But when I tell people (who ASKED ME about the toxic behavior) that I am getting death threats and I give them an example, you have a problem with it? Why because you can't just sweep it under the rug and do nothing about it now?

    Did you finally start to moderate these people, or did you just say "sorry that happened" and its still business as usual?

    Your more than welcome to post and hang out wherever you choose to. I
    have no issue with that whatsoever. You seem to think I am making you
    out as 'the bad guy' (your words) for doing that. I don't see you as
    that at all. If your unhappy by all means depart.

    Ok, thanks for your permission and letting me know you're okay that.

    I don't "seem to think that" you were trying to make me out as a bad guy. The people IN YOUR CIRCLE literally threatening my life as a result of your post sort of prove that.

    Your dishonest spin of the situation (regardless of it was intentional), and the fact that you posted it to begin with are two things that ensured this situation happened. There isn't really anything positive you could have been trying to achieve with that post.

    I never had any intention of removing you from the Wiki and we could have continued to communicate outside of FSX, however, after the things you said
    in that post and even moreso in e-mail afterward, your post can now come true.

    Just move on, our time working together is done.

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  • From Jokker@77:1/131 to Netsurge on Sun Mar 29 07:43:20 2020
    Yes, we have a selection of "mild" and "moderate" egos to choose from.
    You will need one as your is too big to fit through port 23.


    LOL jumbo frames sir, cant change the way the good ether made me. :D

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/09 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: deadbeatz.org (77:1/131)
  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Jokker on Sun Mar 29 12:53:54 2020
    LOL jumbo frames sir, cant change the way the good ether made me. :D

    Sorry, no 9000 MTU here, 1500 is the best we can do ;)

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  • From ryan@77:1/128 to g00r00 on Sun Mar 29 10:14:18 2020
    This is an interesting thought. I wonder how many people who work at Facebook don't actually use it?

    I think you have to if you work there, because they dogfood things like messenger internally for their own chat functionality. They also dogfood new beta versions of Facebook.

    She uses instagram like a fiend, though, and as far as I can tell IG is completely pointless hehe.

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  • From Metalhead@77:1/100 to Netsurge on Sun Mar 29 13:22:08 2020
    The dumbass scum who have sent him death threats should just decide to

    Wow this is crazy! I don't know him personally, but g00r00 has always been really nice about everything. If it weren't for Mystic, I wouldn't be
    sysoping, and would barely be interested in other BBSs, since all other softwares are pretty much garbage to me at this point.

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  • From g00r00@77:1/138 to ryan on Sun Mar 29 17:03:12 2020
    I think you have to if you work there, because they dogfood things like messenger internally for their own chat functionality. They also dogfood new beta versions of Facebook.

    Ahh that makes sense, but do they have work-specific accounts for that or
    does that actually include the ability to use personal accounts?

    She uses instagram like a fiend, though, and as far as I can tell IG is completely pointless hehe.

    Isn't that Facebook owned too? I've never really used IG I am not super big
    on social media. If so, Facebook is like the mafia of social media lol

    Speaking of, I hope you and your girlfriend are holding up okay!

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to g00r00 on Sun Mar 29 17:59:16 2020
    Isn't that Facebook owned too? I've never really used IG I am not super big on social media. If so, Facebook is like the mafia of social media lol

    My kids are hooked on IG. I'm with Ryan, wtf is the point. Let's reduce our method of communicating with one another to a simple picture.

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  • From ryan@77:1/128 to g00r00 on Sun Mar 29 15:04:10 2020
    Ahh that makes sense, but do they have work-specific accounts for that or does that actually include the ability to use personal accounts?

    I think it combines both? I'm not sure, all I know is that my girlfriend is impossible for me to reach when she's at work via normal means (SMS or email, for example) but if I hit her up on fb messenger (which I maintain even
    though I shut down my fb account) she responds.

    Isn't that Facebook owned too? I've never really used IG I am not super big on social media. If so, Facebook is like the mafia of social media lol

    Yeah, the only thing she doesn't mess with that's owned by FB is Oculus, and
    of course, that's the only thing I'd really be interested in. Kind of like
    when she was at LinkedIn, they were acquired by Microsoft, and the only thing she didn't take advantage of was getting me an xbox :P

    Speaking of, I hope you and your girlfriend are holding up okay!

    Yeah, she's fine now. I've been dealing with a headache and fever for the better part of a week. Sucks man.

    Welcome home btw, hope things were easy coming back.

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  • From apam@77:3/103 to g00r00 on Mon Mar 30 08:51:22 2020
    I am dumbfounded by the way you guys continue to attack and insult
    me. You've personally insulted me for YEARS and I have never once
    done the same back even once.

    I've personally insulted you for years? How? By not using mystic?



    --- MagickaBBS v0.13alpha (Linux/x86_64)
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  • From -= Havok =-@77:77/10 to g00r00 on Sun Mar 29 20:02:00 2020
    Re: Re: g00r00 and fsxNet
    By: g00r00 to apam on Sun Mar 29 2020 08:02 am


    I left that network with a polite message that explained why I was leaving, and there was a long history of previous issues. I did nothing else after that. For any resonable group of people, it would have ended there.

    g00r0

    Please lets leave it at that, your skill set is much higher then mine. But I
    hate seeing everyone that has to deal with this. You left so be it! Lets all
    be smart about this, someone writes you with someone to say, lover look it.

    I hate seeing you having to deal with all this cr*p and not doing what you
    do best (code) your a good guy and who knows what a year or less does with
    the networks.

    Relax brother you are where you need to be right now!!!



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  • From -= Havok =-@77:77/10 to apam on Sun Mar 29 20:06:00 2020
    Re: Re: g00r00 and fsxNet
    By: apam to g00r00 on Mon Mar 30 2020 08:51 am


    I've personally insulted you for years? How? By not using mystic?

    God man let it go...

    I respect you, I respect g00r0 and I respect Avon.

    Please lets move on...



    -= Havok =-

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  • From apam@77:3/103 to -= Havok =- on Mon Mar 30 10:20:48 2020
    Re: Re: g00r00 and fsxNet
    By: apam to g00r00 on Mon Mar 30 2020 08:51 am


    I've personally insulted you for years? How? By not using
    mystic?

    God man let it go...

    I am letting it go. Notice how I didn't respond to any of his other
    messages? I'd just like to know how I've personally insulted him for
    years, so I can stop that, because it's never been intentional.

    I respect you, I respect g00r0 and I respect Avon.

    Goodo

    Please lets move on...

    Yes lets.

    Andrew


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  • From -= Havok =-@77:77/10 to apam on Sun Mar 29 21:12:00 2020
    Re: Re: g00r00 and fsxNet
    By: apam to -= Havok =- on Mon Mar 30 2020 10:20 am


    I am letting it go. Notice how I didn't respond to any of his other messages? I'd just like to know how I've personally insulted him for years, so I can stop that, because it's never been intentional.


    Thanks you apam

    Your way to smart for all this, it's only a message network.

    You have a life with a wife that is going to have twins. I look up to
    you and (pray the best) your a smart man keep up the good coding you do!

    Let's roll one!



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  • From g00r00@77:1/138 to apam on Sun Mar 29 21:47:22 2020
    I am dumbfounded by the way you guys continue to attack and insult me. You've personally insulted me for YEARS and I have never once done the same back even once.

    I've personally insulted you for years? How? By not using mystic?

    Yes off and on you have for years.

    You did this very thing years ago when you posted some things similar to the two incredibly abusive posts you made here earlier. And I challenged you to find any example of me doing the things you claimed but you weren't able to. It ended with you apologizing for the way you were acting and saying you'd stop.

    For the most part you did stop, but you've always had sort of a hostile tone
    in messages to me exactly like the one I just quoted above.

    On the flip side, I've never done anything to you.

    I know you keep saying you're letting it go, and that you're cool. But every time you've said in the past two days you follow it up immediately with
    posting more combative or absusive stuff.

    Just let it go. It has nothing to do with you to begin with and I am not
    sure why you think it does.

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  • From apam@77:3/103 to g00r00 on Mon Mar 30 12:41:42 2020
    Just let it go. It has nothing to do with you to begin with and I
    am not sure why you think it does.

    Sure, after you.

    I never said it had anything to do with me. I was angry that you accused
    my friend of inciting death threats against you. I am also angry that
    you accused me of sending you anonymous death threats. I'm angry that
    you cherry pick messages and read things into them that are not there in
    order to come off as some kind of hard done by innocent victim. I'm
    angry at the way you blew up at Tenser, NuSkooler, Deon, Al and
    countless other people who have done nothing to deserve it, but you
    claim they insulted you and or mystic.

    As for hostile tone... I don't intentionally do that. It's something
    you're reading in that isn't there. If I'm hostile you would have got a
    message like the last few.

    I do remember that time years ago when I got angry with you, although I
    admit I can't remember why as it was years ago, but besides that, sure
    I've gotten angry with the way you've treated others, but I've not said anything.

    In the same message I said I was "cool" I also said "Ok, maybe I'm not
    cool".

    Now, how about you let it go. How about from this point onward, you put
    me on your twit filter, you stop trying to drum up animosity against
    Paul, and just get on with it.

    I'm not going to write anymore on this. I've washed my hands of you.

    Andrew

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to apam on Sun Mar 29 23:02:20 2020
    Goodo

    Okay, help a Canadian out here. Is that some sort of down under slang?

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  • From alterego@77:3/101 to Netsurge on Mon Mar 30 14:36:40 2020
    Re: Re: g00r00 and fsxNet
    By: Netsurge to apam on Sun Mar 29 2020 11:02 pm

    Goodo
    Okay, help a Canadian out here. Is that some sort of down under slang?

    First, how do you think it is pronounced? <chuckle>
    ...deon


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  • From Avon@77:3/102 to g00r00 on Mon Mar 30 17:01:56 2020
    On 29 Mar 2020 at 08:43a, g00r00 pondered and said...


    not lost on me. I have not posted anything publicly in fsxNet that is untruthful with respect to your recent departure and the way I felt about it.

    The thing to key on here is *the way you felt about it*. There is your emotionally driven interpretation, and then there is a reality.


    I'd say there's perception and reality and in your case your perception is
    your reality.

    I never received a netmail from you, again you're embelishing the story.

    The netmail is still sitting at the 21:1/100 HUB outbound waiting for you, I subsequently cut/pasted it to you in a later email sent 19 March that you
    never replied to that included my initial request asking about the Wiki
    access.

    And you know damn well that I was traveling from the US to Korea and at least in this case, the rest of the damn community did too so you can't pull that card and get away with it to any reasonable person.

    When I did check my e-mail you were the first person I responded to.

    My first email from you is dated 26 March asking me to stop saying things
    about you and lopping me into (what we all agree is) an unacceptable email
    sent to you.

    But when I tell people (who ASKED ME about the toxic behavior) that I am getting death threats and I give them an example, you have a problem
    with it? Why because you can't just sweep it under the rug and do
    nothing about it now?

    Nothing is being swept under any rugs James. Transparency is the key to truthfulness.

    Did you finally start to moderate these people, or did you just say
    "sorry that happened" and its still business as usual?

    I'd say it's a moot point you're no longer active in the network. I'll repeat I'm not a mind reader if you had such a beef about my perceived lack of moderation over people you disliked it would have been nice to have heard
    about it from you before you split. You didn't do that but you are happy to complain about it now.

    that at all. If your unhappy by all means depart.

    Ok, thanks for your permission and letting me know you're okay that.

    I'm not giving permission, I am letting you know (again) that's it your
    choice to do so. You're the one making me out like I have a problem with your departure. The concern I have had I've been clear and consistent on. I won't repeat them again now.

    I don't "seem to think that" you were trying to make me out as a bad
    guy. The people IN YOUR CIRCLE literally threatening my life as a
    result of your post sort of prove that.

    Sort of.... not.. Just because I post something letting people know you're
    off and how I felt about that doesn't imply I am mounting a 'let's get g00r00 lynch mob' in your mind it seems to.

    Your dishonest spin of the situation (regardless of it was intentional), and the fact that you posted it to begin with are two things that
    ensured this situation happened. There isn't really anything positive
    you could have been trying to achieve with that post.

    There's nothing dishonest in what I wrote. There's no spin, just truth. The post contains what had happened, what I knew, what I didn't know despite
    trying to find out, and how I felt about it.

    I never had any intention of removing you from the Wiki and we could have continued to communicate outside of FSX, however, after the things you said in that post and even moreso in e-mail afterward, your post can now come true.

    Well I wish you could have communicated that to me in an early and prompt fashion. It was not for want of trying to find this out on my part.

    Just move on, our time working together is done.

    Sorry to hear that.

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  • From jack phlash@77:1/911 to g00r00 on Sun Mar 29 21:46:34 2020
    on 29 Mar 2020, g00r00 said...

    This is an interesting thought. I wonder how many people who work at Facebook don't actually use it?

    One of my coworkers and friends is ex-Facebook and lives on the shit. To hear him tell it, not many, since they use it for work purposes quite a bit.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to alterego on Mon Mar 30 01:11:52 2020
    First, how do you think it is pronounced? <chuckle>

    I'm not even going to attempt an Australian or New Zealand accent mate.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to jack phlash on Mon Mar 30 01:19:46 2020
    One of my coworkers and friends is ex-Facebook and lives on the shit. To hear him tell it, not many, since they use it for work purposes quite a bit.

    It is the new world order. (Now I can't get the WCW NWO music out of my head).

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  • From apam@77:3/103 to Netsurge on Mon Mar 30 15:23:42 2020
    First, how do you think it is pronounced? <chuckle>

    I'm not even going to attempt an Australian or New Zealand accent
    mate.

    It's just good-o. you might say neato or thats great

    Andrew

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  • From -= Havok =-@77:77/10 to apam on Mon Mar 30 06:15:00 2020
    Re: Re: g00r00 and fsxNet
    By: apam to Netsurge on Mon Mar 30 2020 03:23 pm

    I'm not even going to attempt an Australian or New Zealand accent
    mate.


    It's just good-o. you might say neato or thats great

    I dated a girl from Canada a while back and I use to tease her always saying
    eh!

    So one time in the car she asked what sounds better, eh or huh?

    I looked at her and replied point well taken!



    -= Havok =-

    ... Americans like fat books and thin women

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  • From Joacim Melin@77:2/101 to Netsurge on Mon Mar 30 12:28:50 2020
    This is a sad day for this hobby.

    +1.


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  • From g00r00@77:1/138 to apam on Mon Mar 30 10:12:22 2020
    I never said it had anything to do with me. I was angry that you accused my friend of inciting death threats against you. I am also angry that

    The death threats mention Paul and his message, so yes his post directly incited those threats to me. And you guys were doing this shit long before Netsurge ever posted that message, so its not because I "blame" him for anything. The harassment from your circle is what CAUSED Netsurge to post that message and any "blame" happened after all of it.

    When you come here and fly off the handle and throw insults and point fingers at me every chance you get without me saying anything to you, all you're doing is proving my point (as if the death threats alone don't prove my point about the FSX culture these days).

    you accused me of sending you anonymous death threats. I'm angry that
    you cherry pick messages and read things into them that are not there in order to come off as some kind of hard done by innocent victim. I'm

    You tried to justify why sending me death threats is okay. We don't know who is doing this, and that makes it look like you're probably the person or at least a person who is capable of it.

    If you don't want people to consider you might be responsible then don't come here and post some of the nastist messages directed at me that we've seen in 27 years of BBSing, completly unprovoked, and on a topic that really doesn't concern you. Only a person who justifies this stuff is capable of doing it and you seem to be the most hostile bent of shape person of everyone.

    I did absolutely nothing but choose to leave that network and you guys blew up and started to threaten me because of it. That is ridiculous *ANY* way you look at it.

    I wasn't nasty about leaving in the message I sent to Paul. I told him I was leaving and I left without mentioning it to anyone. I didn't post about it anywhere else, and I didn't mention it to anyone privately. I had zero malicious intent despite the conclusions Paul jumped to because of other random circumstances.

    Paul and I did a lot together. Have you ever considered that this sucks for me too and that it was a really hard decision to make? Paul helped me develop Mystic into a great echomail package with his testing and feedback. He's been an invaluable source and I hate this too.

    But his peanut gallery is certainly doing everything it can to justify to me and everyone else who wasn't in the know exactly why it was needed for me to leave.

    You come here and post all this abusive stuff to me while simulteanously calling me abusive when I have not said anything, and I've handled your nasty comments with class.

    I don't have problems in my gaming mod community that has an installed base in the hundreds of thousands of users. I get glowing reviews year after year from leading initiatives in Fortune companies successfully. I was asked to moderate the only big Discord I am a member of because of my behavior. And I never have any problems in the networks these days unless its from the same handful of people from FSX.

    Yet right now I can see the same FSX people fighting in FidoNet, and the same FSX people showing up here to act nasty. Its not a good look for you guys
    and I don't think Paul needs you to "defend him" or try to speak on his
    behalf.

    At least from my point of you view you've absolutely hurt the situation more than you helped because it makes me less likely to engage with Paul like he deserves when you guys bahave like this.

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  • From tenser@77:1/100 to g00r00 on Mon Mar 30 17:17:22 2020
    On 30 Mar 2020, g00r00 said the following...

    You tried to justify why sending me death threats is okay. We don't
    know who is doing this, and that makes it look like you're probably the person or at least a person who is capable of it.

    It should be easy enough to figure out who it is.
    Could you post the mail with full headers? That
    should give enough data that someone can track it
    down.

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  • From Dumas Walker@77:1/115 to ALTEREGO on Mon Mar 30 17:19:00 2020
    Goodo
    Okay, help a Canadian out here. Is that some sort of down under slang?

    First, how do you think it is pronounced? <chuckle>

    "Good-oh"? I am assuming it is short for "good on you"?


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  • From Phoobar@77:1/129 to -= Havok =- on Sat Apr 18 05:27:30 2020
    About as much as me renting a new body!

    The 2 29 year olds are going to kill me when they see what I've done to their body.

    ACME BBS-Member of fsxNet/WWIVNet/SciNet/AmigaNet/VKRadio/FidoNet/MicroNet.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to -= Havok =- on Sat Apr 18 16:29:04 2020
    @PATH: 77/10 1/102 100

    Looks like Dan's QWK gateway system is spitting up some dupes. I'll netmail him.

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  • From Black Panther@77:1/102 to Netsurge on Sat Apr 18 16:17:40 2020
    On 18 Apr 2020, Netsurge said the following...

    Looks like Dan's QWK gateway system is spitting up some dupes. I'll netmail him.

    I did find a few message bases that had corrupt headers. I was able to fix them. Let's see if that might have been the issue.

    Sorry about that.


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  • From Havok@77:77/10 to Netsurge on Sat Apr 18 18:46:36 2020
    Re: Re: g00r00 and fsxNet
    By: Netsurge to -= Havok =- on Sat Apr 18 2020 04:29 pm

    Looks like Dan's QWK gateway system is spitting up some dupes. I'll netmail him.

    Oh that's bad news I was hoping QWK was good to go.


    As they say, try, try again!


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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Black Panther on Sun Apr 19 01:03:14 2020
    I did find a few message bases that had corrupt headers. I was able to
    fix them. Let's see if that might have been the issue.

    TO THE SALT MINES! as I am running low on salt, lol.

    No worries, happens to all of us. This is 1980s technology after all.

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  • From Black Panther@77:1/102 to Netsurge on Sat Apr 18 23:46:14 2020
    On 19 Apr 2020, Netsurge said the following...

    I did find a few message bases that had corrupt headers. I was able t fix them. Let's see if that might have been the issue.

    TO THE SALT MINES! as I am running low on salt, lol.

    Sounds like there's gonna be quite a few of us there. We'll have to have a party! ;)

    No worries, happens to all of us. This is 1980s technology after all.

    We're keeping 1980's technology alive for the next generation. :)


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