• AMiGA Codes & mOsOul...

    From paulie420@77:1/158 to All on Sun Nov 29 05:50:10 2020
    I use ANSI codes to switch between IBM, Topaz and Microknight fonts all the time and a codepageswitch code to switch back.

    I'm working on an ANSiStory, history of ANSI art project on my bbs... one of the ANSIs I'm working with calls for the mOsOul AMiGA font..

    I'm a bit confused; 1st, is there a code that I can put in a file to switch to mOsOul? And 2nd - optional question; Does Syncterm and/or Netrunner have mOsOul installed stock?

    Thanks for any deets.



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  • From Bob Roberts@77:1/200 to paulie420 on Sun Nov 29 11:53:28 2020
    Re: AMiGA Codes & mOsOul...
    By: paulie420 to All on Sun Nov 29 2020 05:50 am


    I never had an Amiga. Just an IBM PC (true blue). We had ANSI and we liked it! Now I see that you Amiga people had all kinds of fancy graphical interfaces.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to paulie420 on Sun Nov 29 23:35:42 2020

    On Sunday November 29, 2020, Paulie420 said to All...

    I'm a bit confused; 1st, is there a code that I can put in a file to
    switch to mOsOul? And 2nd - optional question; Does Syncterm and/or Netrunner have mOsOul installed stock?

    ESC[10;0!mO'sOul should switch it. ESC[10;0!+fontname should switch it to
    any font.

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  • From paulie420@77:1/158 to Bob Roberts on Mon Nov 30 18:42:10 2020
    I never had an Amiga. Just an IBM PC (true blue). We had ANSI and we liked it! Now I see that you Amiga people had all kinds of fancy graphical interfaces.

    I'm a DOS/IBM/PC guy too, never had an AMiGA as a kid - but I do like playing around with different fonts in BBSes these days. It's cool to have an ANSI BBS that shows some AMiGA ASCII artwork at times; its even more cool to have ANSI with AMiGA text... or AMiGA ASCII art with IBM text, imo. :P

    This one ascii art I'm trying to get displaying on my bbs is best in mosoul font, but works in topaz... I'm just trying to display it as the artist intended. :P

    You should come check out my board bobooboooboobobobobbboobob- i like having all my friends with an account. :P Its (my bbs)........ kinda weird. :P In fact, I wish netsurge and ryan and g00r00 and........ I want ya'll sciNet rockstars to come over!!



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  • From paulie420@77:1/158 to Netsurge on Mon Nov 30 18:46:10 2020
    I'm a bit confused; 1st, is there a code that I can put in a file to switch to mOsOul? And 2nd - optional question; Does Syncterm and/or Netrunner have mOsOul installed stock?

    ESC[10;0!mO'sOul should switch it. ESC[10;0!+fontname should switch it to any font.
    [%] frank!netsurge // hysteriabbs.com // zeus 1.7 // amiga 4ooo [%]

    F yeah, frank!!!! You rock dude!!! Oh wait... hmmm... ok I see what you did there, and I see how it will work; I'm currently using ESC40 for topaz, ESC39 for microknight.... but its not ESC10+fontname.... thanks for sharing a new way; and I bet your code would display any font that the terminal software has in its library, yes? SO... if I were trying to get an AMiGA art file to display in mosoul, I could do my ESC40 to goto topaz, which most bbs terminals has, and THEN ESC10+mosoul.... this would switch any bbs terminal with mosoul installed over to mosoul, BUT allow users without mosoul to remain on topaz (which is close enough/better than IBM)...


    :P Regardless, you just helped me - and I thank you.



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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to paulie420 on Tue Dec 1 03:32:52 2020

    On Monday November 30, 2020, Paulie420 said to Netsurge...

    F yeah, frank!!!! You rock dude!!! Oh wait... hmmm... ok I see what you
    did there, and I see how it will work; I'm currently using ESC40 for
    topaz, ESC39 for microknight.... but its not ESC10+fontname.... thanks
    for sharing a new way; and I bet your code would display any font that
    the terminal software has in its library, yes? SO... if I were trying to get an AMiGA art file to display in mosoul, I could do my ESC40 to goto topaz, which most bbs terminals has, and THEN ESC10+mosoul.... this
    would switch any bbs terminal with mosoul installed over to mosoul, BUT allow users without mosoul to remain on topaz (which is close
    enough/better than IBM)...

    Short and long answer: Yes.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to paulie420 on Tue Dec 1 03:42:48 2020
    You should come check out my board bobooboooboobobobobbboobob- i like havingall my friends with an account. :P Its (my bbs)........ kinda
    weird. :P Infact, I wish netsurge and ryan and g00r00 and........ I want ya'll sciNetrockstars to come over!!

    I guess you don't check your caller logs. I already have an account.

    I like to check out the systems that apply to SciNet before granting them a node number.

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  • From paulie420@77:1/158 to Netsurge on Tue Dec 1 11:27:12 2020
    Short and long answer: Yes.

    The short answer is something that I need to work on.

    [10,000 characters later:]



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  • From paulie420@77:1/158 to Netsurge on Tue Dec 1 11:29:12 2020
    I guess you don't check your caller logs. I already have an account.

    I like to check out the systems that apply to SciNet before granting
    them anode number.
    frank // netsurge

    I actually do, and now that you say so I remember being stoked that you called in. :P Derp, paulie... recently a lot of scene folks have been applying and I'm like - wtf are ya'll calling my little suck mystic bbs for? :P It IS coming together and altho its less than 50% of the things I WANT to do, I've been super stoked with the people that HAVE called in; and I thank you too, sir Frank. :P



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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to paulie420 on Tue Dec 1 15:56:00 2020

    On Tuesday December 01, 2020, Paulie420 said to Netsurge...

    The short answer is something that I need to work on.

    [10,000 characters later:]

    Go back through the SciNet Mystic echo and try to make head or tails of me explaining a bug to g00r00 about the way Mystic redraws it's message editor after you pull up the spellchecker.

    It's pages long and ends with me saying "Clear as mud?"

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to paulie420 on Tue Dec 1 15:57:42 2020

    On Tuesday December 01, 2020, Paulie420 said to Netsurge...

    I actually do, and now that you say so I remember being stoked that you called in. :P Derp, paulie... recently a lot of scene folks have been applying and I'm like - wtf are ya'll calling my little suck mystic bbs for? :P It IS coming together and altho its less than 50% of the things
    I WANT to do, I've been super stoked with the people that HAVE called
    in; and I thank you too, sir Frank. :P

    We are all in this hobby together, remember that. There are no "scene folk", that died in the mid 90s when everyone got a dial up internet account and
    went to usenet to get their porn. Just ask Atreyu.

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  • From Atreyu@77:1/103 to Netsurge on Tue Dec 1 18:36:32 2020
    On 01 Dec 20 15:57:42, Netsurge said the following to Paulie420:

    We are all in this hobby together, remember that. There are no "scene folk", that died in the mid 90s when everyone got a dial up internet account and went to usenet to get their porn. Just ask Atreyu.

    I had enough porn on badly-dubbed VHS...

    Atreyu

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to Atreyu on Tue Dec 1 19:17:54 2020
    I had enough porn on badly-dubbed VHS...

    What do you mean /HAD/, I still have a box somewhere.

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  • From g00r00@77:1/138 to Netsurge on Tue Dec 1 16:09:56 2020
    Go back through the SciNet Mystic echo and try to make head or tails of meexplaining a bug to g00r00 about the way Mystic redraws it's message editorafter you pull up the spellchecker.

    It's pages long and ends with me saying "Clear as mud?"

    To follow up on that I think it only happens on Linux (or specific) terminal. I don't think it was reproducable in NetRunner and I suspect its because its sending the null character #0 instead of space and NetRunner treats that as a character while some terminals ignore it. Thats just a guess though.

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  • From paulie420@77:1/158 to Netsurge on Tue Dec 1 20:09:54 2020
    I actually do, and now that you say so I remember being stoked that yo called in. :P Derp, paulie... recently a lot of scene folks have been applying and I'm like - wtf are ya'll calling my little suck mystic bb for? :P It IS coming together and altho its less than 50% of the thing I WANT to do, I've been super stoked with the people that HAVE called in; and I thank you too, sir Frank. :P

    We are all in this hobby together, remember that. There are no "scene folk",that died in the mid 90s when everyone got a dial up internet account andwent to usenet to get their porn. Just ask Atreyu.

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    I disagree, but do like the sentiment - furthermore, I very much enjoy sciNet because it offers the realness of BBSing as is open enough, as long as you're not a total dipshit. :P

    But there IS still scenyness around, and for no reason that I can understand I was shunned from some of the cooler nets. Its just cause I wasn't a 'hangaround' enough, which I'm doing now... after being butthurt about it for several months. :P

    sciNet is awesome frank... thanks, always.



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  • From paulie420@77:1/158 to g00r00 on Tue Dec 1 20:12:50 2020
    Go back through the SciNet Mystic echo and try to make head or tails meexplaining a bug to g00r00 about the way Mystic redraws it's messag editorafter you pull up the spellchecker.

    It's pages long and ends with me saying "Clear as mud?"

    To follow up on that I think it only happens on Linux (or specific) terminal. I don't think it was reproducable in NetRunner and I suspect
    its because itssending the null character #0 instead of space and NetRunner treats that as acharacter while some terminals ignore it.
    Thats just a guess though.

    Wait, theres something other than Linux out there???

    TBH, I'm thinking of a new laptop... and I do use an iMac for my 'flashy' needs... and you know what? I'm really considering the new Apple hardware. I know what they offer as far as useability, the fact that they do things well with my iPhone, iMac and other ecosystem Appley stuff... and there is still a decent 'linuxy' homebrew community. I can still DO linuxy stuff....

    Anyway, I'm thinking of getting a laptop that ROCKS - and will do all the things I want, and just keeping a few ThinkPads around for my linux stuff... that damn new top of the line ARM man.... I think its gonna be big.



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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to g00r00 on Wed Dec 2 02:36:12 2020

    On Tuesday December 01, 2020, G00r00 said to Netsurge...

    To follow up on that I think it only happens on Linux (or specific) terminal. I don't think it was reproducable in NetRunner and I suspect
    its because its sending the null character #0 instead of space and NetRunner treats that as a character while some terminals ignore it.
    Thats just a guess though.

    Just for your reference, I can replicate the issue with the latest SyncTerm both in OS X and Windows.

    I just tried it with NetRunner and you are correct, it doesn't happen when running NR.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to paulie420 on Wed Dec 2 02:59:08 2020
    I disagree, but do like the sentiment - furthermore, I very much enjoy sciNetbecause it offers the realness of BBSing as is open enough, as
    long as you'renot a total dipshit. :P

    I've mentioned this a few times in the past month or so. People here are more than capable of policing the network. Idiots will be idiots.

    On the other side, it's also a good bunch of people who want to help others and keep this hobby going.

    But there IS still scenyness around, and for no reason that I can understand Iwas shunned from some of the cooler nets. Its just cause I wasn't a'hangaround' enough, which I'm doing now... after being butthurt about it forseveral months. :P

    I've never been a "clicky" kinda guy. Years ago I was part of a fairly large C64 cracking group before moving to an Amiga one. I alway kept my BBS open to
    anyone who wanted to apply, I was the only member of the group who would do so.

    I have made great friends with people you could label as "sceners". Jack Phlash, Ryan and g00r00 to name just a few but that doesn't mean I don't interact with others.

    This is a dying hobby at best and sysops are the ones who keep it on life support. Why anyone would have a network that excludes those that keep this alive is beyond me, but to each his/her own.
    .
    sciNet is awesome frank... thanks, always.

    It's all the nodes that make it awesome. All I do is write a shit load of perl scripts to keep it operational.

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  • From echicken@77:1/120 to paulie420 on Wed Dec 2 10:43:34 2020
    Re: Re: AMiGA Codes & mOsOul...
    By: paulie420 to Netsurge on Tue Dec 01 2020 20:09:54

    But there IS still scenyness around, and for no reason that I can understand I was shunned from some of the cooler nets. Its just cause I wasn't a 'hangaround' enough, which I'm doing now... after being butthurt about it for several months. :P

    I ran a weird network/thing years ago, and one of the rules was that your BBS had to be at least 90 days old before you could join. I still can't make up my mind as to whether or not that was a good policy. I wasn't trying to make anyone "earn" anything, but rather trying to save myself some hassle.

    It's easy to set up a BBS today, join a bunch of nets, and satisfy your nostalgia or passing interest over the course of a few days or weeks. For a lot of people that's sufficient, the interest wanes, and they disappear shortly thereafter. Sometimes it's preferable to wait a while before going through the effort of setting someone up, providing tech support, etc., just to be sure they're likely to stick around for a while.

    On the flip side of course is the possibility that policies like that make people feel unwelcome/unwanted, or that you're withholding interesting content which might have helped them sustain their interest in the hobby.

    If I had to do it over again, I'd just automate everything as much as possible so that it was self-serve and not a problem for me if someone joined and then flaked out a few days later.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to echicken on Wed Dec 2 15:42:28 2020
    It's easy to set up a BBS today, join a bunch of nets, and satisfy your nostalgia or passing interest over the course of a few days or weeks.
    For a lotof people that's sufficient, the interest wanes, and they disappear shortlythereafter. Sometimes it's preferable to wait a while before going through theeffort of setting someone up, providing tech support, etc., just to be surethey're likely to stick around for a while.

    Under SciNet's previous incarnation you saw a lot of that. Nodes apply, I set them up and 4 weeks or months later they were no more. You saw it all the time, every net did.

    Since I restarted SciNet I really haven't seen that happen as much. In the past 18 months I think we have lost 5 MAYBE 6 nodes.

    If I had to do it over again, I'd just automate everything as much as possibleso that it was self-serve and not a problem for me if someone joined and thenflaked out a few days later.

    I've got this complicated perl script that does it all for me, it does make like soooooo much easier.

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  • From g00r00@77:1/138 to paulie420 on Wed Dec 2 15:56:36 2020
    Wait, theres something other than Linux out there???

    It'd be nice if we only had one thing to write code for :)

    TBH, I'm thinking of a new laptop... and I do use an iMac for my
    'flashy' needs... and you know what? I'm really considering the new
    Apple hardware. I know what they offer as far as useability, the fact

    Just in case you are planning to run a BBS on the Apple keep in mind there are no good DOS emulators for old DOS BBS doors so you'd need to use a third party door service for that.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to g00r00 on Thu Dec 3 00:51:44 2020

    On Wednesday December 02, 2020, G00r00 said to paulie420...

    Just in case you are planning to run a BBS on the Apple keep in mind
    there are no good DOS emulators for old DOS BBS doors so you'd need to
    use a third party door service for that.

    I have gotten DOSBox to run doors in OSX but it isn't for the faint of
    heart. That and you can't do file locking so no multi node support.

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  • From paulie420@77:1/158 to g00r00 on Thu Dec 3 17:15:39 2020
    TBH, I'm thinking of a new laptop... and I do use an iMac for my 'flashy' needs... and you know what? I'm really considering the new Apple hardware. I know what they offer as far as useability, the fact

    Just in case you are planning to run a BBS on the Apple keep in mind
    there areno good DOS emulators for old DOS BBS doors so you'd need to
    use a third partydoor service for that.


    No... I will always use Linux/BSD for my projects, servers and real computer WORK...

    But I mainly use a laptop for consumption - at home I have a fancy iMac Pro 27" and... I dunno - I would be equally as happy with a fancy new Linux capable laptop, but... I do wanna start with some video editing and its debatable if open source options can be as good (or as easy anyway) as what the sheeple use... for doing pretty stuff, media consumption and other work that the masses do; I dunno if you can overlook the MBP.

    That being said, the new one would never be Windows based... but theres some cool Linux based hardware options in the laptop category. I'm going to pop on something... just haven't decided which way to go. I have my BBS/DOS/retro and server needs met with cobbled together Linux/BSD boxes. This next purchase will be purely for getting shit done.



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  • From g00r00@77:1/138 to Netsurge on Thu Dec 3 15:57:19 2020
    Just in case you are planning to run a BBS on the Apple keep in mind there are no good DOS emulators for old DOS BBS doors so you'd need to use a third party door service for that.

    I have gotten DOSBox to run doors in OSX but it isn't for the faint of heart. That and you can't do file locking so no multi node support.

    Yeah I've heard of some results with that, but the no multinode thing is a deal break for me.

    DOSEMU2 is probably the best bet for ever having a DOS emulator for BBS doors on MacOS.

    But of course all of that stuff was on intel-based macOS too. Now that Apple is moving away from Intel to their own custom chip its going to probably further complicate this issue (and also break plenty of other software too, including Mystic).

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to g00r00 on Fri Dec 4 10:14:05 2020

    On Thursday December 03, 2020, G00r00 said to Netsurge...

    DOSEMU2 is probably the best bet for ever having a DOS emulator for BBS doors on MacOS.

    Multinode is a deal breaker for me as well. I have been working with the
    devs of the DOSEMU2 project for a while now to try and get it compiling in
    OSX and it's still a no go :(

    But of course all of that stuff was on intel-based macOS too. Now that Apple is moving away from Intel to their own custom chip its going to probably further complicate this issue (and also break plenty of other software too, including Mystic).

    In the long term you are probably correct. Apple does have Rosetta2 while
    will emulate Intel based apps, much like they did with Rosetta when they switched from PPC to Intel. How long they will support it will remain to be seen.

    I'm in no way shape or form a skilled programmer but isn't Apple's new
    chipset ARM based? If so, how far of a stretch would it be to port the Pi version over?

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  • From Netsurge@77:77/5 to All on Fri Dec 4 12:23:40 2020
    On 2020-12-03 22:15:39 +0000, paulie420 said:

    No... I will always use Linux/BSD for my projects, servers and real
    computer WORK...

    Pull everything off on a Commodore 64 or an Amiga, then we can talk, lol.

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  • From g00r00@77:1/138 to Netsurge on Fri Dec 4 12:46:33 2020
    I'm in no way shape or form a skilled programmer but isn't Apple's new chipset ARM based? If so, how far of a stretch would it be to port the Pi version over?

    I think the issue will be how long does it take before Free Pascal is updated to support it, and then how long will it take me to buy a Mac. I was able to get a Hackintosh in VMware going well enough for me to compile Mystic for MacOS but I am going to need real ARM-based Mac hardware now I think.

    I don't know maybe I will be able to develop it on an older macOS on Intel VMware and cross compile both a Intel and ARM binary, but I am guessing that set up will be a pain in the ass to get going if its possible.

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/100 to g00r00 on Fri Dec 4 15:39:10 2020
    I think the issue will be how long does it take before Free Pascal is updatedto support it, and then how long will it take me to buy a Mac. I was able toget a Hackintosh in VMware going well enough for me to
    compile Mystic for MacOSbut I am going to need real ARM-based Mac
    hardware now I think.

    I don't know maybe I will be able to develop it on an older macOS on IntelVMware and cross compile both a Intel and ARM binary, but I am guessing thatset up will be a pain in the ass to get going if its possible.

    If it's anything like the last time they switched architecture, you won't be able to. The Dev community was up in arms that the PPC version of X-Tools wouldn't cross compile for the Intels. Steve Job's way of forcing people to buy new hardware.

    Saying that, Jobs isn't around any more and maybe Cook will be more flexible to the idea.

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  • From paulie420@77:1/158 to Netsurge on Fri Dec 4 20:30:50 2020
    No... I will always use Linux/BSD for my projects, servers and real computer WORK...

    Pull everything off on a Commodore 64 or an Amiga, then we can talk, lol. frank // netsurge

    Listen man, I'm proud enough that I got things working without much input from me on a few [light] projects that seem to keep running. :P I do continue to play with one working Amiga setup... although I'm not advanced there. I'm still using Forever Amiga and another project that sets up an entire desktop experience FOR me. :P One day I'll get around to learning/creating one myself.

    For now, pew pew!!



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  • From paulie420@77:1/158 to Netsurge on Fri Dec 4 20:32:53 2020
    I think the issue will be how long does it take before Free Pascal is updatedto support it, and then how long will it take me to buy a Mac. was able toget a Hackintosh in VMware going well enough for me to compile Mystic for MacOSbut I am going to need real ARM-based Mac hardware now I think.

    If it's anything like the last time they switched architecture, you
    won't beable to. The Dev community was up in arms that the PPC version
    of X-Toolswouldn't cross compile for the Intels. Steve Job's way of forcing people to buynew hardware.

    Saying that, Jobs isn't around any more and maybe Cook will be more flexible tothe idea.
    frank // netsurge

    They STATE that they'd support old architectures... but Apple is still Apple, and certainly wants you to buy that shiny new MBP.



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  • From Bob Roberts@77:1/200 to paulie420 on Sat Dec 5 13:23:41 2020
    Re: Re: AMiGA Codes & mOsOul...
    By: paulie420 to Netsurge on Fri Dec 04 2020 08:32 pm

    They STATE that they'd support old architectures... but Apple is still Apple, and certainly wants you to buy that shiny new MBP.

    I predict that Apple will support Intel Arcitecture computers with MacOS feature updates for 4-5 years after the last Intel based Mac rolls out, and security updates for longer. This is based on how they handled the PowerPC to Intel transition earlier. The last PowerPC Mac came out in 2006. Mac OS 10.6 released in August 2009 removed support for PowerPC processors.

    Supposedly the transition to ARM will take 2 years, completing in 2022. Which means Mac OS should support Intel thru 2026 or so.

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  • From Bucko@77:1/137 to paulie420 on Sat Dec 5 19:22:40 2020
    On 04 Dec 2020, paulie420 said the following...


    Listen man, I'm proud enough that I got things working without much
    input from me on a few [light] projects that seem to keep running. :P I
    do continue to play with one working Amiga setup... although I'm not advanced there. I'm still using Forever Amiga and another project that sets up an entire desktop experience FOR me. :P One day I'll get around
    to learning/creating one myself.


    I felt the same way Paulie, I needed Amiga Forever to get me going.. That is until I decided to take it upon myself to figure it all out.. I jumped into WinUAE with both feet, I bought AOS 4.1 and read doc file after doc file to
    get it running on WinUAE and let me tell you doing that taught me a lot. I
    now run a C-Net Amiga in AOS 3.9 (which I bought at a garage sale, from my neighbor who's husband was a Amiga lover, which I did not know) and have Emulated setups for every OS from 1.3 to 4.1.. Give it a go.. You won't
    regret it..

    Al

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  • From paulie420@77:1/158 to Bob Roberts on Sat Dec 5 15:11:50 2020
    Supposedly the transition to ARM will take 2 years, completing in 2022. Whichmeans Mac OS should support Intel thru 2026 or so.

    Thats good, for me anyway, I have an intel iMac Pro 27" that is still... fairly new. I'm glad to know that it won't be obsolete JUST yet... I think those couple years will allow me to get my money and use out of it.



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  • From Warpslide@77:1/156 to paulie420 on Sat Dec 5 21:00:12 2020
    On 05 Dec 2020, paulie420 said the following...

    Thats good, for me anyway, I have an intel iMac Pro 27" that is still... fairlynew. I'm glad to know that it won't be obsolete JUST yet... I
    think thosecouple years will allow me to get my money and use out of it.

    I'm still using my 2015 MacBook Pro. I refused to upgrade after this because of the lack of ports, I used to use HDMI way more than I do now-a-days & I didn't like the new keyboards (though those have since been fixed).

    Though I must admit, I seem to be using USB A a lot less when I'm out and about. A laptop with 3 or 4 USB C ports might be ok on the road with a decent dock with a bunch of USB A ports while at home.

    Jay

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  • From Netsurge@77:1/111 to Bob Roberts on Sat Dec 5 22:48:56 2020

    On Saturday December 05, 2020, Bob Roberts said to paulie420...

    I predict that Apple will support Intel Arcitecture computers with
    MacOS feature updates for 4-5 years after the last Intel based Mac
    rolls out, and security updates for longer. This is based on how they handled the PowerPC to Intel transition earlier. The last PowerPC Mac came out in 2006. Mac OS 10.6 released in August 2009 removed support
    for PowerPC processors.

    I'm pretty sure they announce only 1 or 2 machines on a go forward basis
    that will be Intel based and thats it. Come WWDC next year, the will be
    making nothing by Apple Chips.

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  • From Bob Roberts@77:1/200 to Netsurge on Sun Dec 6 12:46:38 2020
    Re: Re: AMiGA Codes & mOsOul...
    By: Netsurge to Bob Roberts on Sat Dec 05 2020 10:48 pm

    I'm pretty sure they announce only 1 or 2 machines on a go forward basis that will be Intel based and thats it. Come WWDC next year, the will be making nothing by Apple Chips.

    Yes, this is likely. In fact there might not be another Intel chip from Apple.... the one possible exception being the Mac Pro, but even that I'm not so sure.

    It's all a big adventure!

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