• Backrooms? Not tonight

    From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to All on Sat Jul 4 11:07:39 2026
    I took my son to see Backrooms. Movie timing is odd nowadays - you don't
    need to get in line any more with advanced ticketing and seating, so
    there's no stress about getting there on time - you know you have a
    10-20 minutes of trailers before the movie starts and your seats are (hopefully) waiting for you.

    We went to dinner beforehand and got there a few minutes early. The
    theater was lit, and that annoying commercial/trivia quiz thing wasn't
    running.

    It got to 15 minutes past the movie time, still lit, still nothing on
    the screen. People started getting up to check, and the manager came in
    to announce that the "projector couldn't validate (sic) and they were
    calling tech support". We ended up taking a refund, as they're planning
    on re-releasing a director's cut next week with 16 more minutes added.

    I'd heard about digital projection systems before with DRM and
    authentication, heard about some 3D theaters leaving the projector in 3D
    mode for 2D movies because they didn't want to risk locking out the
    projector when they switched modes.

    Not quite a dystopian nightmare of Gibsonian proportions, but still a
    pain in the ass.





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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Jul 4 23:42:00 2026

    It got to 15 minutes past the movie time, still lit, still nothing on
    the screen. People started getting up to check, and the manager came in
    to announce that the "projector couldn't validate (sic) and they were calling tech support". We ended up taking a refund, as they're planning
    on re-releasing a director's cut next week with 16 more minutes added.

    I'd heard about digital projection systems before with DRM and authentication, heard about some 3D theaters leaving the projector in 3D mode for 2D movies because they didn't want to risk locking out the projector when they switched modes.

    Not quite a dystopian nightmare of Gibsonian proportions, but still a
    pain in the ass.

    No, but there is something dystopian about DRM and some of the other "digital only" things going on lately.

    I had not heard of theatres having issues before but am not surprised. :(


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  • From niter3@21:1/199 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Jul 5 08:37:21 2026
    I took my son to see Backrooms. Movie timing is odd nowadays - you don't

    This was an awful movie. :D

    The big one right now is Obsession. Highly recommend this one.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Dumas Walker on Sun Jul 5 12:54:49 2026
    No, but there is something dystopian about DRM and some of the other "digital only" things going on lately.

    I had not heard of theatres having issues before but am not surprised.
    :(

    And the impact on the people _trying_ to do the right thing reliably seems to be way more than it stopping people doing pirating.

    At least at home we can go, "No, your product is worse than the pirated version, so I'll get the better product".

    Anyway, _hopefully_ the movie industry spends a bit more time trying to keep an important part of the movie industry satisfied / low annoyance, so that this sort of thing can basically never happen, and people actually _go_ to movies, rather than just watching at home.

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  • From phigan@21:3/193 to Adept on Sun Jul 5 17:49:25 2026
    happen, and people actually _go_
    to movies, rather than just

    Getting people into the seats has always been a complaint for movie theaters.. at the same time, though, it costs like $20 (almost?) for one ticket, and the same price for any concessions. Yeah, I'd rather watch it at home and use that money on sushi or something ;).


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  • From Shurato@21:2/148 to phigan on Sun Jul 5 13:39:00 2026

    happen, and people actually _go_
    to movies, rather than just

    Getting people into the seats has always been a complaint for movie theaters.. at the same time, though, it costs like $20 (almost?) for one ticket, and the same price for any concessions. Yeah, I'd rather watch it at home and use that money on sushi or something ;).

    Yum! As long as it's not in a land-locked state like me where it's quite iffy...

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to phigan on Sun Jul 5 13:43:10 2026
    Re: Re: Backrooms? Not tonight
    By: phigan to Adept on Sun Jul 05 2026 05:49 pm

    Getting people into the seats has always been a complaint for movie theaters.. at the same time, though, it costs like $20 (almost?) for one ticket, and the same price for any concessions. Yeah, I'd rather watch it at home and use that money on sushi or something ;).

    Up until the early-mid 90s, I remember when most movie theaters in my area had matinee prices: Before around 3:00PM, a movie ticket was $3.25. Concessions were always a bit expensive, but they were still a lot cheaper back then too, compared to today. I'd go see a movie in a theater if tickets were still $3.25, or even $6 or so, but with ticket prices near $20, and expensive concessions, I'm with you, I'd probably rather skip it and watch it at home.
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  • From Matthew Munson@21:4/108 to Nightfox on Sun Jul 5 15:08:30 2026
    were always a bit expensive, but they were still a lot cheaper back then too,
    compared to today. I'd go see a movie in a theater if tickets were still $3.25, or even $6 or so, but with ticket prices near $20, and expensive concessions, I'm with you, I'd probably rather skip it and watch it at home.
    I only see like 2-3 movies at this new price point. Its becoming
    severely regressive. I remember when people were able to afford to see a
    movie twice a month.


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to phigan on Mon Jul 6 06:48:27 2026
    happen, and people actually _go_
    to movies, rather than just

    Getting people into the seats has always been a complaint for movie theaters.. at the same time, though, it costs like $20 (almost?) for one ticket, and the same price for any concessions. Yeah, I'd rather watch
    it at home and use that money on sushi or something ;).

    Yeah. Though this is why it seems weird to me that they'd do anything but make it easy for the movie theaters.

    I don't see that many movies in theaters, either, but the whole, "I'm _actually_ going out and doing something" has enough value to me that it's sometimes worth it.

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  • From Mortar M.@21:2/101 to Adept on Mon Jul 6 14:00:36 2026
    Re: Re: Backrooms? Not tonight
    By: Adept to Dumas Walker on Sun Jul 05 2026 12:54:49

    ...and people actually _go_ to movies, rather than just watching at home.

    Thanks to the skyrocketing price of tickets (even matinaes), at least I can afford to stay at home.
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  • From Mortar M.@21:2/101 to Matthew Munson on Mon Jul 6 14:10:58 2026
    Re: Re: Backrooms? Not tonight
    By: Matthew Munson to Nightfox on Sun Jul 05 2026 15:08:30

    I remember when people were able to afford to see a movie twice a month.

    I used to hit a local dollar theater every weekend, sometimes even during the week. When they closed in 2019, after some 40 years of operation, it was one of the saddest days of my life. That was my social outlet. I'd catch a show, maybe two, have dinner afterwards, hit a DQ on the way home...it was great, especially during warm weather.
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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Mortar M. on Tue Jul 7 08:46:05 2026
    ...and people actually _go_ to movies, rather than just watching at hom

    Thanks to the skyrocketing price of tickets (even matinaes), at least I can afford to stay at home.

    ...but can you afford the ever-increasing cost and quantity of streaming subscriptions, or the rocketing cost of hard drive space?

    Soon we'll probably have to take up _reading_, or *shudder*, talking to people.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Dumas Walker on Tue Jul 7 07:54:53 2026
    Dumas Walker wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    No, but there is something dystopian about DRM and some of the other "digital only" things going on lately.

    I had not heard of theatres having issues before but am not surprised.
    :(

    Back when 3d movies were a thing, I'd read that the movie theaters had
    to log into a site to install and remove the 3d lenses from the
    projection system. They were worried about locking out the projector, so
    they usually left the 3d lens system in - which made 2d movies dimmer
    than they should have been.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to niter3 on Tue Jul 7 07:54:53 2026
    niter3 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I took my son to see Backrooms. Movie timing is odd nowadays - you don't

    This was an awful movie. :D

    I'm not expecting much but as an urban photographer I'm intrigued by
    liminal spaces, and I hear the sound work is excellent.

    I'm not expecting much plot from a movie based on a Reddit thread.

    Then again, I found Battleship more entertaining that it should have
    been.



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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to Mortar M. on Tue Jul 7 15:45:56 2026

    I remember when people were able to afford to see a movie twice a month.

    I used to hit a local dollar theater every weekend, sometimes even during the week. When they closed in 2019, after some 40 years of operation, it was one of the saddest days of my life. That was my social outlet. I'd catch a show, maybe two, have dinner afterwards, hit a DQ on the way home...it was great, especially during warm weather.


    There was what had been a first-run theatre that became a dollar theatre just down the street from my high school. It became one of the Friday/Saturday haunts during high school and early college. At some point, it went up to $1.50 and, sometime after I left the area (1997), I think it eventually shut down. :(

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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to Adept on Tue Jul 7 15:46:28 2026
    ...and people actually _go_ to movies, rather than just watching at hom

    Thanks to the skyrocketing price of tickets (even matinaes), at least I can afford to stay at home.

    ...but can you afford the ever-increasing cost and quantity of streaming subscriptions, or the rocketing cost of hard drive space?

    Soon we'll probably have to take up _reading_, or *shudder*, talking to people.


    Oh dear God, no! :D


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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Jul 7 15:48:54 2026

    Back when 3d movies were a thing, I'd read that the movie theaters had
    to log into a site to install and remove the 3d lenses from the
    projection system. They were worried about locking out the projector, so they usually left the 3d lens system in - which made 2d movies dimmer
    than they should have been.


    Interesting. I had never noticed movies being dimmer, at least not until they were released to cable TV. For that matter, there were a lot of shows in the late 90s that seemed darker than they should have been. I remember needing to turn the brightness up on the TV.


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  • From Mortar M.@21:2/101 to Adept on Tue Jul 7 12:02:41 2026
    Re: Re: Backrooms? Not tonight
    By: Adept to Mortar M. on Tue Jul 07 2026 08:46:05

    ...but can you afford the ever-increasing cost and quantity of streaming subscriptions, or the rocketing cost of hard drive space?

    I'm only subscribed to two services: Disney+ and Paramount+, and even though their fees increased, it's still a far better value than the theaters. As for HD space, since these are streaming services, it's not a concern.
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  • From Mortar M.@21:2/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Jul 7 12:05:33 2026
    Re: Re: Backrooms? Not tonight
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to niter3 on Tue Jul 07 2026 07:54:53

    Then again, I found Battleship more entertaining that it should have
    been.

    I was rather dissapointed that no one actually said, "They sunk our battleship!"
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  • From Mortar M.@21:2/101 to Dumas Walker on Tue Jul 7 12:11:13 2026
    Re: Re: Backrooms? Not tonight
    By: Dumas Walker to Adept on Tue Jul 07 2026 15:46:28

    Soon we'll probably have to take up _reading_, or *shudder*, talking to people.

    Oh dear God, no! :D

    I've always been a reader. My library is well stocked so no worries there.
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  • From fusion@21:1/616 to Dumas Walker on Tue Jul 7 13:29:05 2026
    On 07 Jul 2026, Dumas Walker said the following...

    There was what had been a first-run theatre that became a dollar theatre just down the street from my high school. It became one of the Friday/Saturday haunts during high school and early college. At some point, it went up to $1.50 and, sometime after I left the area (1997), I think it eventually shut down. :(

    i kinda miss those. we had a couple of them we went to. i remember more than a few times skipping certain movies because we could see them in the "cheap seats" ..

    i'm not really surprised they're gone though. they attracted some interesting people i think. you'd sit down in a completely empty theater and then some weirdo would sit right next to you and your friends like one row behind or only skipping one seat next to you. and if you moved there was a good chance they'd move again to be near you.. ugh

    that and i remember you'd walk into them and your shoes would stick to the floor.. often very poorly maintained. one time i went to one and a bug climbed up my pant leg. i crunched it through the fabric and held onto it all the way until i got home lol

    the real reason is probably just that VHS sales killed it. movie companies used to make real money on VHS tapes so they probably wanted to strictly control the timeframe to make sure the movies were "newly valuable" (not overexposed, etc.. like that weird 'vault' stuff Disney used to do). i'm not sure what bluray sales are like but it's probably a joke by comparison.


    speaking of .. it's actually kind of funny, we didn't have any second run theaters for a very long time and then like 10 years back they spent a couple years building a really nice theater attached to the mall.. hyped it up as if the mall could be your one-stop destination for dining, a movie, and some light shopping. and then the big local chain with the deep pockets bought it immediately and made it a second run theater so it wouldn't compete with their main locations. so wasteful..

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Matthew Munson on Tue Jul 7 12:34:47 2026
    Re: Re: Backrooms? Not tonight
    By: Matthew Munson to Nightfox on Sun Jul 05 2026 03:08 pm


    I only see like 2-3 movies at this new price point. Its becoming
    severely regressive. I remember when people were able to afford to see a movie twice a month.

    I used to be a moviegoer. Now, the year in which I got to a cinema at least once is a rarity. It has more to do with movie quality than pricing, though. I think most movies made after 2016 suck so much they would have to pay you in order to watch them (with some exceptions), and a whole bunch of them are made by people who hate me so I'd rather not buy tickets from their movies.

    The price of the ticket itself is almost a rounding error compared to the price I end up paying for the fuel and food that goes with a visit to the cinema.


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  • From Mortar M.@21:2/101 to Dumas Walker on Tue Jul 7 12:15:20 2026
    Re: Re: Backrooms? Not tonight
    By: Dumas Walker to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Jul 07 2026 15:48:54

    ...there were a lot of shows in the late 90s that seemed darker than they > should have been. I remember needing to turn the brightness up on the TV.

    If you're referring to series programs, I noticed such a thing, but it's a safe bet it wasn't because of 3D conversion.
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  • From Mortar M.@21:2/101 to Arelor on Tue Jul 7 13:38:12 2026
    Re: Re: Backrooms? Not tonight
    By: Arelor to Matthew Munson on Tue Jul 07 2026 12:34:47

    ...a whole bunch of them are made by people who hate me so I'd rather not
    uy tickets from their movies.

    I take it you're talking about local (to you) filmmakers, 'cause I'm pretty sure Steven Spielberg or Christopher Nolan aren't out to get ya.
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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to Mortar M. on Tue Jul 7 23:44:02 2026
    Re: Re: Backrooms? Not tonight
    By: Dumas Walker to Adept on Tue Jul 07 2026 15:46:28

    Soon we'll probably have to take up _reading_, or *shudder*, talking to people.

    Oh dear God, no! :D

    I've always been a reader. My library is well stocked so no worries there.

    I was actually joking about the talking to people part. I am a reader but go through streaks, like lately, where I am not reading anything. My personal library includes a lot of Raymond Chandler, as well as some H G Wells,
    M R James, Orwell, and Fitzgerald.


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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to fusion on Tue Jul 7 23:49:56 2026
    the real reason is probably just that VHS sales killed it. movie companies used to make real money on VHS tapes so they probably wanted to strictly control the timeframe to make sure the movies were "newly valuable" (not overexposed, etc.. like that weird 'vault' stuff Disney used to do). i'm not sure what bluray sales are like but it's probably a joke by comparison.


    YEah, VHS or early DVD sales. It seemed a little late for VHS sales alone but that could have been part of it, especially once they got to the point where they were releasing some things to video so quickly (vs. it taking a while like it did beforehand).

    Come to think of it, in that same area there was a first-run theatre -- Showcase -- that had a lot of screens and then went through an expansion sometime in the late 1990s to add even more of them. I was really shocked to find out that it ultimately closed several years later also. It used to be *the* theatre.

    speaking of .. it's actually kind of funny, we didn't have any second run theaters for a very long time and then like 10 years back they spent a couple years building a really nice theater attached to the mall.. hyped it up as if the mall could be your one-stop destination for dining, a movie, and some light shopping. and then the big local chain with the deep pockets bought it immediately and made it a second run theater so it wouldn't compete with their main locations. so wasteful..


    It sounds wasteful but I wonder if the business was still good?


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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to Mortar M. on Tue Jul 7 23:51:48 2026
    Re: Re: Backrooms? Not tonight
    By: Dumas Walker to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Jul 07 2026 15:48:54

    ...there were a lot of shows in the late 90s that seemed darker than they > should have been. I remember needing to turn the brightness up on the TV.

    If you're referring to series programs, I noticed such a thing, but it's a safe bet it wasn't because of 3D conversion.


    Yes, series programs, and I realize it most certainly wasn't because of 3D conversion. If I had seen a movie in a theatre at that time that did the same thing, I would have assumed it was part of the trend and not considered it might be a projector misconfiguration.



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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Mortar M. on Wed Jul 8 02:24:46 2026
    Re: Re: Backrooms? Not tonight
    By: Mortar M. to Arelor on Tue Jul 07 2026 01:38 pm

    I take it you're talking about local (to you) filmmakers, 'cause I'm pretty sure Steven Spielberg or Christopher Nolan aren't out to get ya.

    Local filmmakers are included ofc, but hate crosses borders.

    Hate is a very powerful force. It permeates everything.
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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Mortar M. on Wed Jul 8 09:51:57 2026
    ...a whole bunch of them are made by people who hate me so I'd rather n uy tickets from their movies.

    I take it you're talking about local (to you) filmmakers, 'cause I'm pretty sure Steven Spielberg or Christopher Nolan aren't out to get ya.

    From previous comments, I'm guessing it's politics adjacent (and we need get no more specific).

    Which is a perfectly fine reason to not go and see something, even if most other people might think the particular reasoning is silly.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Dumas Walker on Wed Jul 8 09:57:55 2026
    I was actually joking about the talking to people part. I am a reader
    but go through streaks, like lately, where I am not reading anything.
    My personal library includes a lot of Raymond Chandler, as well as some
    H G Wells, M R James, Orwell, and Fitzgerald.

    I've tended to like Umberto Eco's "anti-library", where most of the books I end up having are books that I haven't yet read.

    I suppose it's a bit different, now that most of my books are digital, and I'll keep everything because I'm a digital hoarder, but there's always so many things I haven't read that seem interesting.

    Currently I'm reading, "Caesar Now Be Still" by Frank Schildiner, which is detective fiction.

    And I like detective fiction (not mysteries as a whole, as thrillers and whatnot I'm meh toward), though I'm not ready to recommend this particular book, as so far the main character seems ridiculous to me.

    And I think I'll try a Starr Z. Davies Stormvalor novel after this.

    And the common thread is, "I supported a random Kickstarter, and really should occasionally _read_ the books I buy.".

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Dumas Walker on Wed Jul 8 10:06:51 2026
    YEah, VHS or early DVD sales. It seemed a little late for VHS sales
    alone but that could have been part of it, especially once they got to
    the point where they were releasing some things to video so quickly (vs. it taking a while like it did beforehand).

    This reminds me that I'm sad about Redbox having gone away.

    It was always fun to get a bunch of movies and rip them.

    Not because I cared about the movies (generally), but because it was fun to do the collecting. And if it was in Redbox, then it was probably fairly recent / new to me.

    To be fair, I moved away from the US before they stopped existing, and it wasn't an option over here in Germany.

    I occasionally wonder how the industry would look if they catered to my weirdness, where I was definitely a decent customer, as far as it goes, if perhaps not the exact customer the industry wanted.

    And now there's not really any good options for my collecting impulse, beyond a library or internet downloads, and for the most part there isn't a way for me to get what I want and also directly pay someone for it.

    And I also wonder what things would have to look like to get me to spend more money in theaters.

    E.g., the Movie-Pass-like idea (cinfinity.de) would almost certainly extract more money from me than the industry is currently getting, because instead of going to a movie a couple times a year, I'd feel as though I need to make use of it, and thus go at least monthly.

    But that's not available for the theater that's within walking distance for me, so it holds no appeal.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Mortar M. on Wed Jul 8 07:47:01 2026
    Mortar M. wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I was rather dissapointed that no one actually said, "They sunk our battleship!"

    Now that you mention it, no battleships were sunk in the making of the
    film! I want a refund!



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Dumas Walker on Wed Jul 8 07:47:01 2026
    Dumas Walker wrote to Mortar M. <=-

    There was what had been a first-run theatre that became a dollar
    theatre just down the street from my high school. It became one of the Friday/Saturday haunts during high school and early college. At some point, it went up to $1.50 and, sometime after I left the area (1997),
    I think it eventually shut down. :(

    The Belmont Twin theater was my goto growing up. I always said they
    played second-run first-rate films and first-run second-rate films, but
    they had $2 tuesdays, reasonably priced snacks and Peets coffee.

    It was nice being able to go out with friends and be able to afford
    going to the movies with friends when we were broke.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Arelor on Wed Jul 8 07:47:01 2026
    Arelor wrote to Matthew Munson <=-

    I used to be a moviegoer. Now, the year in which I got to a cinema at least once is a rarity. It has more to do with movie quality than
    pricing, though.

    Agreed. The only movies I'll see in the theater are movies that would
    benefit from the big-screen experience. Think 1917, F1, Dunkirk...




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Mortar M. on Wed Jul 8 07:47:01 2026
    Mortar M. wrote to Arelor <=-

    I take it you're talking about local (to you) filmmakers, 'cause I'm pretty sure Steven Spielberg or Christopher Nolan aren't out to get ya.

    Side note: I love the "Rewatchables" podcast, a couple of movie fans
    talking about those films you'll watch repeatedly. They talked about
    2001: A Space Odyssey recently and had Steven Spielburg talking movies
    with them. It was very interesting and covered more than just 2001.

    He's a huge movie fan and it shows.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Adept on Wed Jul 8 07:47:01 2026
    Adept wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    I was actually joking about the talking to people part. I am a reader
    but go through streaks, like lately, where I am not reading anything.
    My personal library includes a lot of Raymond Chandler, as well as some
    H G Wells, M R James, Orwell, and Fitzgerald.

    I've tended to like Umberto Eco's "anti-library", where most of the
    books I end up having are books that I haven't yet read.

    The Japanese have a term for this - tsundoku - to stack things for
    later.

    I suppose it's a bit different, now that most of my books are digital,
    and I'll keep everything because I'm a digital hoarder, but there's
    always so many things I haven't read that seem interesting.

    I went on a free Kindle binge streak - there are a couple of mailing
    lists that compile all of the free offers on Kindle. I've got close to
    800 books in my Kindle account, and I've only read a fraction of
    those...





    Currently I'm reading, "Caesar Now Be Still" by Frank Schildiner, which
    is detective fiction.

    And I like detective fiction (not mysteries as a whole, as thrillers
    and whatnot I'm meh toward), though I'm not ready to recommend this particular book, as so far the main character seems ridiculous to me.

    And I think I'll try a Starr Z. Davies Stormvalor novel after this.

    And the common thread is, "I supported a random Kickstarter, and really should occasionally _read_ the books I buy.".

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Adept on Wed Jul 8 07:47:01 2026
    Adept wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    E.g., the Movie-Pass-like idea (cinfinity.de) would almost certainly extract more money from me than the industry is currently getting,
    because instead of going to a movie a couple times a year, I'd feel as though I need to make use of it, and thus go at least monthly.

    Were you in the US when that movie pass company started up? It was an interesting idea, all-you-can eat movies in theaters.



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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to Adept on Wed Jul 8 18:42:22 2026
    YEah, VHS or early DVD sales. It seemed a little late for VHS sales alone but that could have been part of it, especially once they got to the point where they were releasing some things to video so quickly (vs.
    it taking a while like it did beforehand).

    This reminds me that I'm sad about Redbox having gone away.

    It was always fun to get a bunch of movies and rip them.

    Not because I cared about the movies (generally), but because it was fun to do the collecting. And if it was in Redbox, then it was probably fairly recent / new to me.


    I had just about forgotten about Redbox. IIRC, they did't leave this area until just recently, but I bet they didn't help the dollar theatres at all, either.


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jul 9 12:00:09 2026
    I suppose it's a bit different, now that most of my books are digital and I'll keep everything because I'm a digital hoarder, but there's always so many things I haven't read that seem interesting.

    I went on a free Kindle binge streak - there are a couple of mailing
    lists that compile all of the free offers on Kindle. I've got close to
    800 books in my Kindle account, and I've only read a fraction of
    those...

    Nice! Were you able to get lots of those off before they restricted the ability to actually download them?

    I have a few things through the Kindle store, but have never (and likely will never) own a Kindle. So I was glad to figure out how to download / fix them so that I could use my legally-owned items.

    But unless they've since changed policies so that it's possible to download these things without extremely painful workarounds, I won't bother with even the free books.

    All the same, I'm glad you have a useful anti-library, regardless of what _I_ would do.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jul 9 12:06:41 2026
    Were you in the US when that movie pass company started up? It was an interesting idea, all-you-can eat movies in theaters.

    I think it still _is_ an interesting idea; just that, "and you can go to any and all movies you want, in any movie theater, with no restrictions" was the business model to gain customers, not establish that there exists a business model where it works.

    And cinfinity.de still exists, so I get the feeling that it makes enough sense for the theaters who use it, and for the company.

    I'm not sure if I was in the country or not. I think I may have been far enough away from a theater where I would have wanted to use it, that it didn't appeal enough.

    Either that, or I was poor enough that spending their monthly membership fee was just more than I wanted to spend per month on movies, especially given that I would have had to massively increase my movie watching to make it worth it.

    Now, I'd probably happily pay 20 bucks a month for the ability to watch any movie at my local theater that's been in the theater for at least two weekends already. It would encourage me to watch more movies in German.

    Admittedly, I'm sad that movie theaters don't generally use subtitles.

    At least I get them if the movie is an original version in English.

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  • From Mortar M.@21:2/101 to Adept on Thu Jul 9 13:26:38 2026
    Re: Re: Backrooms? Not tonight
    By: Adept to Dumas Walker on Wed Jul 08 2026 09:57:55

    Currently I'm reading, "Caesar Now Be Still" by Frank Schildiner, which is detective fiction.

    Huh, that's what I told my stomach after eating a triple-cheese LC pizza.
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  • From Mortar M.@21:2/101 to All on Thu Jul 9 13:38:15 2026
    Re: Re: Backrooms? Not tonight
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Wed Jul 08 2026 07:47:01

    Agreed. The only movies I'll see in the theater are movies that would
    benefit from the big-screen experience. Think 1917, F1, Dunkirk...

    If there's ever another Star Trek movie, that I'll go to the theater for...during a matinee.
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  • From phigan@21:3/193 to Adept on Fri Jul 10 03:25:31 2026
    I don't see that many movies in theaters, either, but the whole, "I'm _actually_ going out and doing something" has enough value to me that
    it's sometimes worth it.

    Does it REALLY count as going out and doing something? ;). You're going out to go back into a building, sit in a chair, and watch a screen.

    Going to a bar and having a conversation with the bartender seems like more of doing something that going to a movie. That's just an opinion tho :).


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  • From phigan@21:3/193 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jul 10 03:34:35 2026
    lists that compile all of the free offers on Kindle. I've got close to
    800 books in my Kindle account, and I've only read a fraction of
    those...

    How many of them are cooking and self help books?


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  • From phigan@21:3/193 to Adept on Fri Jul 10 03:47:34 2026
    From previous comments, I'm guessing it's politics adjacent (and we need
    get no more specific).

    Don't watch that Citizen Vigilante movie. Pretty sure it's propaganda. I tried looking for irony or sarcasm or satire, but I don't think I found any. It could be propaganda you might agree with, but it's still dirty propaganda :).


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  • From phigan@21:3/193 to Dumas Walker on Fri Jul 10 03:58:48 2026
    I had just about forgotten about Redbox. IIRC, they did't leave this
    area until just recently, but I bet they didn't help the dollar theatres
    at all, either.

    The tiny rural towns around here still had them, last I looked... though that was a couple years ago. There were only a couple of convenience stores in town and the Redbox machines were always pretty popular. Plenty of people around there don't have cable TV or anything. The thrift stores have a regular rotation of VHS tapes that get bought and sold.


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to phigan on Fri Jul 10 07:40:24 2026
    Does it REALLY count as going out and doing something? ;). You're going out to go back into a building, sit in a chair, and watch a screen.

    It involves getting oneself decent enough to go outdoors, going for some amount of a walk, then being in a place with other people, then going for some amount of additional walking.

    Admittedly, if, "gets in a car and drives there" is part of the process, there's less walking, but for me it's also "going out and doing something" because watching a subtitle-less movie in German is more forcing my brain to be fairly active as it tries to make sense of things.

    Which I could theoretically do at home, but likely would wander off a quarter of the way through.

    Going to a bar and having a conversation with the bartender seems like more of doing something that going to a movie. That's just an opinion
    tho :).

    Yeah. It's not super social, but it's something.

    And, yeah, talking to people would be a different something. Though I'm unlikely to ever want to go the bar route. _Maybe_ some sort of tasting event, but, regardless, "there are other things to do, that may involve more do-ing" is unquestionably true.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to phigan on Fri Jul 10 07:56:09 2026
    The tiny rural towns around here still had them, last I looked... though that was a couple years ago. There were only a couple of convenience

    The company (Chicken Soup for the Soul Entertainment) stopped operating at some point in mid-2024, so "a couple years ago" probably would have been while they still existed.

    That said, I guess some amount of hobbyists made them continue to work afterward, so I wouldn't be surprised if the equipment is out there in a few places where there's someone stocking and dealing with it locally.

    But I imagine it's pretty rare, at this point. If you _do_ see a kiosk out there, do poke at it, see if it works, see if it has a movie released this year, etc., and tell us about it.

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  • From Matthew Munson@21:4/108 to Adept on Sat Jul 11 06:35:22 2026
    I have a few things through the Kindle store, but have never (and likely will
    never) own a Kindle. So I was glad to figure out how to download / fix them so
    that I could use my legally-owned items.
    With what Amazon recently did and what Sony did with their licencing
    partner, it made me reconsider buying digital books. Its good having
    them, but its bad to rely on digital books. I know on a 11 hour flight
    or a 3 hour train trip, its good to have some digital books or movies,
    but we should not rely on them.

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  • From Matthew Munson@21:4/108 to Phigan on Sat Jul 11 06:36:22 2026
    How many of them are cooking and self help books?
    I have some cooking books. Diabetic cooking to name one genre.

    I am thinking I should learn how to cook.

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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to Matthew Munson on Sat Jul 11 17:32:16 2026
    How many of them are cooking and self help books?
    I have some cooking books. Diabetic cooking to name one genre.

    I am thinking I should learn how to cook.

    Have you ever dropped by the FIDO COOKING echo? They discuss diabetic cooking from time to time.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to mortar.m. on Sat Jul 11 23:15:00 2026
    Hello mortar.m.!

    ** On Monday 06.07.26 - 15:10, mortar.m. wrote to Matthew Munson:

    Re: Re: Backrooms? Not tonight
    By: Matthew Munson to Nightfox on Sun Jul 05 2026 15:08:30

    I remember when people were able to afford to see a movie twice a month.

    I used to hit a local dollar theater every weekend, sometimes even during
    the week. When they closed in 2019, after some 40 years of operation, it
    was one of the saddest days of my life. That was my social outlet. I'd catch a show, maybe two, have dinner afterwards, hit a DQ on the way home...it was great, especially during warm weather.

    A small Ontario town has a 5 screen project in one location:

    https://www.highlandscinemas.com/


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Matthew Munson on Sun Jul 12 13:28:47 2026
    With what Amazon recently did and what Sony did with their licencing partner, it made me reconsider buying digital books. Its good having
    them, but its bad to rely on digital books. I know on a 11 hour flight
    or a 3 hour train trip, its good to have some digital books or movies,
    but we should not rely on them.

    I'm bad with Steam, but I intentionally avoid any digital books where someone other than me controls what happens to it after I've "bought" it.

    Since I'm only going to buy something if it's not _actually_ a rental.

    And if it comes with content restriction, it's a rental.

    But if I actually control it, me being able to have a copy on my device, and as many backup copies as I need on my computers, backup drives, etc., are probably safer than a physical copy.

    And I have way more problems with running out of physical places to put things.

    But, yeah, if I "buy" something where they can still take it away from me, I haven't bought something; I've just paid them money to be tied to their ecosystem.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Adept on Sun Jul 12 09:25:25 2026
    Adept wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Nice! Were you able to get lots of those off before they restricted the ability to actually download them?

    Yeah, I spent a late night downloading all of my Kindle books and
    importing them into Calibre a few days before Amazon disabled
    downloading.

    There are ways to download using the Kindle app for Windows, but it's
    convoluted and you can't always remove DRM.

    But unless they've since changed policies so that it's possible to download these things without extremely painful workarounds, I won't bother with even the free books.

    All the same, I'm glad you have a useful anti-library, regardless of
    what _I_ would do.

    I still read the same email lists advertising free or cheap books on
    Amazon, then look them up/buy them in the Kobo store. When you read the
    book, there's a "download" button in the reader. :)







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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Adept on Sun Jul 12 09:25:25 2026
    Adept wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Were you in the US when that movie pass company started up? It was an interesting idea, all-you-can eat movies in theaters.

    I think it still _is_ an interesting idea; just that, "and you can go
    to any and all movies you want, in any movie theater, with no restrictions" was the business model to gain customers, not establish
    that there exists a business model where it works.


    I think the incarnation I was thinking about didn't last long, they
    were losing money trying to get a user base.

    I did notice that the landmark theater chain has an interesting
    membership - 15% off of tickets, reduced online fees, and it's free.
    Well, you're trading marketing information, so it's not completely
    free...





    And cinfinity.de still exists, so I get the feeling that it makes
    enough sense for the theaters who use it, and for the company.

    I'm not sure if I was in the country or not. I think I may have been
    far enough away from a theater where I would have wanted to use it,
    that it didn't appeal enough.

    Either that, or I was poor enough that spending their monthly
    membership fee was just more than I wanted to spend per month on
    movies, especially given that I would have had to massively increase my movie watching to make it worth it.

    Now, I'd probably happily pay 20 bucks a month for the ability to watch any movie at my local theater that's been in the theater for at least
    two weekends already. It would encourage me to watch more movies in German.

    Admittedly, I'm sad that movie theaters don't generally use subtitles.

    At least I get them if the movie is an original version in English.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to phigan on Sun Jul 12 12:18:19 2026
    phigan wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    lists that compile all of the free offers on Kindle. I've got close to
    800 books in my Kindle account, and I've only read a fraction of
    those...

    How many of them are cooking and self help books?

    Many, but a lot of fantasy/scifi and mysteries, too.



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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jul 13 06:31:51 2026
    I still read the same email lists advertising free or cheap books on
    Amazon, then look them up/buy them in the Kobo store. When you read the
    book, there's a "download" button in the reader. :)

    That does sound like the better workaround.

    Regardless, I hope you occasionally get some use out of your anti-library.

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  • From phigan@21:3/193 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jul 13 11:42:11 2026
    importing them into Calibre a few days before Amazon disabled
    downloading.

    There are ways to download using the Kindle app for Windows, but it's
    convoluted and you can't always remove DRM.

    Dang, I didn't know they did that. I was still counting on the Calibre method. I'll have to searchy for the new way.

    Probably not that big a deal, but I'm sure I want to save _something_ out of that library.

    Speaking of libraries, it'd be cool to be able to extract out of Libby ;).



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Adept on Mon Jul 13 07:12:01 2026
    Adept wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Regardless, I hope you occasionally get some use out of your
    anti-library.

    Oh, I do read through the books I have on it - the only problem is that
    I get more books than I finish! Not a bad problem to have...



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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Jul 14 12:34:21 2026
    Re: Re: Backrooms? Not tonight
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Wed Jul 08 2026 07:47 am


    Agreed. The only movies I'll see in the theater are movies that would
    benefit from the big-screen experience. Think 1917, F1, Dunkirk...

    The fun part is that 3D movies were the thing that was going to save theatres, precisely for that reason.

    There are lots of movies that are visual spectacles due to 3D visuals and the sound display and presentation. Then you play them at home in a small TV and they fall flat because they don't have much substance beyond presentation. I am thinking about that Gravity film.

    At least 1917 et al are still very enjoyable in a crappy display.


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to phigan on Tue Jul 14 12:41:08 2026
    Re: Re: Backrooms? Not tonight
    By: phigan to Adept on Fri Jul 10 2026 03:47 am

    From previous comments, I'm guessing it's politics adjacent (and we need get no more specific).

    Don't watch that Citizen Vigilante movie. Pretty sure it's propaganda. I tried looking for irony or sarcasm or satire, but I don't think I found any. It could be propaganda you might agree with, but it's still dirty propaganda

    The fun part is I like propaganda movies when I am not involved, because they let you analyze how this stuff is constructed.

    There are lots of Nazi and Communist movies which are blatant advertisement for some regime and some of them are even ok. I find they are great because after you watch a bunch of them you become so aware of the sort of propaganda your own regime might be trying to shove down your throat without you being aware.

    I personally don't mind watching a movie in which Chinesse Communists celebrate how great they are and how benevolent their revolutionaire of the day is. What pisses me off no end is when they make a movie and they openly villianize my demographic group for no reason other than because they can, of when the movie comes from a group that regularly does that even if the movie itself is not blatant.


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Matthew Munson on Tue Jul 14 12:42:46 2026
    Re: Re: Backrooms? Not tonight
    By: Matthew Munson to Adept on Sat Jul 11 2026 06:35 am

    that I could use my legally-owned items.
    With what Amazon recently did and what Sony did with their licencing partner, it made me reconsider buying digital books. Its good having
    them, but its bad to rely on digital books. I know on a 11 hour flight
    or a 3 hour train trip, its good to have some digital books or movies,
    but we should not rely on them.

    Digital books are fine, what you have to worry about is cloud distributed books. BY that I mean, books they can delete from your library because you don't actually control your copy.


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  • From Utopian Galt@21:2/150 to Arelor on Tue Jul 14 18:10:39 2026
    Digital books are fine, what you have to worry about is cloud distributed books. BY that I mean, books they can delete from your library because
    you don't actually control your copy.

    Yes, Amazon is infamous for this. I will not pay more than $10 for a digital book from them.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Arelor on Wed Jul 15 07:37:51 2026
    Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    The fun part is that 3D movies were the thing that was going to save theatres, precisely for that reason.

    The tech has gotten good, I remember Jaws and Friday the 13th in 3D,
    when you wore those colored glasses. totally campy!

    I didn't know Gravity came out in 3D in the theater - that would have
    been amazing.





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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Arelor on Wed Jul 15 07:37:51 2026
    Arelor wrote to phigan <=-

    There are lots of Nazi and Communist movies which are blatant advertisement for some regime and some of them are even ok. I find they are great because after you watch a bunch of them you become so aware
    of the sort of propaganda your own regime might be trying to shove down your throat without you being aware.

    Some of the old WWII films might have just as well been financed by the
    US military.

    One shocking exception was a movie called "The best years of our
    lives", filmed a couple of years after WW II. The storyline revolves
    around a couple of soldiers coming back home and running into
    challenges getting back into society. One sailor lost his hands in a
    naval battle, another couldn't re-adjust to civilian society and , and
    another ran into challenges trying to fit in again. They address PTSD
    as well. It didn't paint things in a very flattering light but was very
    successful.






    I personally don't mind watching a movie in which Chinesse Communists celebrate how great they are and how benevolent their revolutionaire of the day is. What pisses me off no end is when they make a movie and
    they openly villianize my demographic group for no reason other than because they can, of when the movie comes from a group that regularly
    does that even if the movie itself is not blatant.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Arelor on Wed Jul 15 07:37:51 2026
    Arelor wrote to Matthew Munson <=-

    Digital books are fine, what you have to worry about is cloud
    distributed books. BY that I mean, books they can delete from your
    library because you don't actually control your copy.

    Calibre and non-DRM books are your friend. All of my Kindle books are
    backed up on my desktop, and are supplanted by non-DRM books bought
    from other vendors and free .epub and .pdf files I've gotten.

    One neat feature I've not played with - there's a web reader as well to
    allow you to read your books from anywhere.



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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jul 15 15:03:48 2026

    One shocking exception was a movie called "The best years of our
    lives", filmed a couple of years after WW II. The storyline revolves
    around a couple of soldiers coming back home and running into
    challenges getting back into society. One sailor lost his hands in a
    naval battle, another couldn't re-adjust to civilian society and , and
    another ran into challenges trying to fit in again. They address PTSD
    as well. It didn't paint things in a very flattering light but was very
    successful.


    In the 1930s, there was at least one James Cagney movie (maybe more than one!) that depicted men who'd served in WWI and had trouble getting employment when they returned home. So, of course, they turned to lives of crime. Bogart is in one of them.

    I should remember the title(s) but they are escaping me at the moment. They, or course, end badly for the criminals as most movies at that time did... had to show that crime didn't pay!


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