I joined the Apple community today. I found an Apple IIe collection for the right price, with so many extras.... (6 disk drives, a TransWarp accelerator card, 1MB RAM expansion, etc etc etc) and even the original receipts and manuals - just a vast collection.

Wish it had more of the Apple-stock software disks... and the different OSes, but I'm sure I'll find a current SDCard solution or similar and get there w/ software... heck you can even stream 'casette data' thru an iPhone these days - I'll learn it.

Gotta go thru the power supplies (it came with TWO!; one 'newer' and one stock) and the entire system... but this is gonna be fun.

I'm an MS-DOS / Commodore / Apple (G3/G4) collector - but never early Apple... they're a bit more finnicky mostly because they were one of the firsts - disk drive cables plug directly into the board on EACH end - ick... but I'm st0ked.

I'll keep folks updated, and hope to meet an Apple community to get in with. Cheers!!! This one's gonna live another 40 years!



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When you're ready to venture out into Atari land... Just say the word. :)

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I joined the Apple community today. I found an Apple IIe collection for the right price, with so many extras.... (6 disk drives, a TransWarp accelerator card, 1MB RAM expansion, etc etc etc) and even the original receipts and manuals - just a vast collection.

Some of that is "interesting" and some is pretty normal :) With 6 floppies you'll be able to mount up almost all the floppies for Ultima V. Haven't been there in uhmm maybe 30 years. The 1mb card is mildly interesting, problem
with those things is not much will actually utilise it. Its not like your 65c02 can address it. AppleWorks will load stuff onto it, otherwise it mostly looks like a ramdrive. Over here we don't tend to see to many IIe accelsiorators, so thats always spiffy.

The media alternatives to look for, are the FloppyEmu, its your SD card
image based drive emulator, although it only mounts one image at a time.
Mebbe a CFFA3000, but I don't know that these are still available and not having one, can't comment on it to much, its meant to be pretty much swiss
army knife though. The last would be an MDT, Micro Drive Turbo. Its a HD emulation using CF cards.

I'll vouch for the floppulator and the MDT having both. On a IIe probably worth having a look at Apple II Desktop. Its a gui on top of ProDOS for a
//c or IIe. Otherwise you have CLI ProDOS, or DOS3.3, the rest of the possibilities are thinner on the ground, CP/M if you have a Z80 card, USCD pascal there's not much else off hand.

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I used the Apple ][e in middle school and loved those things! Green
screens. The computer was "huge" and had room with expansion slots -
something a C64 kid wasn't used to. I now have an Apple //c but have not
yet gotten it on the interwebs or BBSs.
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Welcome to the Applie ][e world! (Got one myself, along with a //c).
When you're ready to venture out into Atari land... Just say the word. :)

You know the funny thing... the seller also had an Atari 400, working, that they would have let go for almost any OK offer. If it had been an 800 I might have l00ked a little harder - but I left it there. UGH.



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Some of that is "interesting" and some is pretty normal :) With 6 floppies you'll be able to mount up almost all the floppies for Ultima
V. Haven't been there in uhmm maybe 30 years. The 1mb card is mildly interesting, problem with those things is not much will actually utilise it. Its not like your 65c02 can address it. AppleWorks will load stuff onto it, otherwise it mostly looks like a ramdrive. Over here we don't tend to see to many IIe accelsiorators, so thats always spiffy.

So I don't think I have a 1MB RAM expansion... there is an external RAMCharger unit, which documentation sayes it was for a 1MB RE... but nowhere to be found; the RAMCharger sounded kind of antiquated anyway. (As if ALL of this stuff isn't... LOL.)

Yea, the TransWarp IS pretty cool - it was tripping me up earlier, tho; while using asciiexpress.net or ADTPro, you must turn it off or the audio LOAD doesn't work properly. Sometimes it amazes me at HOW one figures that type of thing out - this doesn't w0rk, prod here, try this... etc.

The media alternatives to look for, are the FloppyEmu, its your SD card image based drive emulator, although it only mounts one image at a time. Mebbe a CFFA3000, but I don't know that these are still available and not having one, can't comment on it to much, its meant to be pretty much
swiss army knife though. The last would be an MDT, Micro Drive Turbo. Its a HD emulation using CF cards.

Yea, I've seen the Big Mess o' Wires FloppyEmu and it looks OK... I appreciate you mentioning the CFFA3000 - this, altho it costs a lot and isn't open-source, sounds like the better option. I'll have to do a bit more research, as the MDT is a fraction of the price and does most of what the CFFA3000 does... one day, one day - like next week if my GF doesn't ask too many questions!

I'll vouch for the floppulator and the MDT having both. On a IIe
probably worth having a look at Apple II Desktop. Its a gui on top of ProDOS for a //c or IIe. Otherwise you have CLI ProDOS, or DOS3.3, the rest of the possibilities are thinner on the ground, CP/M if you have a Z80 card, USCD pascal there's not much else off hand.

I've been using ProDOS 2.4.2... so I'm already noticing something w/ graphics - I tried Apple II Desktop; I thought the version I found (asciiexpress.net) wasn't in English, but after booting a couple games I noticed that it was actually my screen or the graphics; it seems like its missing every-other column, or missing some columns at the very least. Maybe I'm not booting in 80 column mode, but that doesn't make sense b/c all softwares booted right from a disk... hmmmm. Have to figure that out. (All text modes, both 40 and 80 column, display perfectly... and whats weird is I think *some* graphics I've loaded looked correct; like thru a BASIC program, or 'Apple Presents...' disks...

Thanks for chatting about IIe's - I'm enjoying learning a bit about these systems. These were popular when I was in grade school and I want to get a bunch of software that I remember from that time. w00t w00t!



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I used the Apple ][e in middle school and loved those things! Green screens. The computer was "huge" and had room with expansion slots - something a C64 kid wasn't used to. I now have an Apple //c but have not yet gotten it on the interwebs or BBSs.

I have a WiFi modem; I like it b/c it can be used on many different platforms of retro computers - MS-DOS, Apple IIe, even C=64 w/ an adapter... its one of the cheapest ways to connect many retro machines.

Check Contiki, for both Apple and Commodore retro's - its a really nice suite of network utilities.



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On 18 Jun 23 20:57:25 Utopian Galt wrote...

|10:)|07 is your atari computer ran via emulation or the real deal?

To which Commodore Clifford replies...

The BBS runs on a real Mega 4 ST. I also have an 800xl (with U1MB)
currently running a BBCS demo, the 130xe for a BBS that I took down
awhile back (but the machine is still set up) and another Mega 4 ST that
I tend to use from time to time for ST BBS Demos.

Then on the desks, a 1200xl as my "daily driver" A8, and a Falcon030.
The TT is getting some upgrades (actually been like that for awhile...
can't find my ATI video card yet), and an 800.

Not to mention tons of 1200xl, 800xl and other ST's that are currently
not set up while I'm in this one bedroom apartment.

I have been known to use an emulator as a convenience for dev work, but generally it's all real here.

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On 19 Jun 23 05:40:02 Mhansel739 wrote...

I used the Apple ][e in middle school and loved those things! Green screens. The computer was "huge" and had room with expansion slots - something a C64 kid wasn't used to. I now have an Apple //c but have
not yet gotten it on the interwebs or BBSs. --Matt

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To which Commodore Clifford replies...

Apples were where I got my start in school too. My friend had one
growing up (my other friend out of our nerd trio had a TS1000, TS2068 and
then finally an Apple //c). Of course, when the time came, dad bought an
Atari due to the games (and his best college friend having a 400). Of
course, we went the 800xl route.

I got my first 800xl (because dad rarely let me use "the family" = "his" computer when I noticed there was an 800xl box in his den... and another
one in the closet in their bedroom.

Why would we have two 800xl boxes when we only had one 800xl?

Answer: Grandpa bought one but didn't want Grandma to know he had done so (Gramps did this a lot apparently) and was "hiding" it at our house.

Not feeling right about it not being used, I asked if I could... which
led to the obligatory "well, you'll have to ask your grandfather".
Naturally, Grandpa said yes, as long as I'd give it back when he was
ready to learn how to use it (which we all know never happened).

Still have both those machines today (dad's and "Grandpa's").

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Re: Apple //e w0rld
By: Mhansel739 to Commodore Clifford on Mon Jun 19 2023 05:40 am

I used the Apple ][e in middle school and loved those things! Green screens. The computer was "huge" and had room with expansion slots -

My elementary school had some Apple II computers in the library, and sometimes we'd go use them for a bit. I remember playing things like Logo and Oregon Trail on them. Then, my middle school had Macintosh computers - I thought those were really intresting, since I was used to using a DOS PC at home. My high school had a mix of Macintosh and Wnidows PCs (and some PCs in a computer lab that just had MS-DOS on them).

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So I don't think I have a 1MB RAM expansion... there is an external RAMCharger unit, which documentation sayes it was for a 1MB RE... but nowhere to be found; the RAMCharger sounded kind of antiquated anyway. (As if ALL of this stuff isn't... LOL.)

Chuckle, RamCharger and a RamFactor card were on the drool list. In typical
AE fashion the combo tended to be a bit unreliable. Probably bad quality control rather than initial design or QC. The RamCharger essentially turns
the RamFactor into a solid state drive. There should be a battery, a wall charger and a card that plugs into both the motherboard and the "ramcard". It supplies both refresh and power.

Yea, the TransWarp IS pretty cool - it was tripping me up earlier, tho; while using asciiexpress.net or ADTPro, you must turn it off or the audio LOAD doesn't work properly. Sometimes it amazes me at HOW one figures that

The issue will be DMA I expect. You can only have one DMA device in your
IIe, it doesn't know what to do with more and causes bus issues. Most IIe accelsiorators run in almost full time DMA suspending the onboard processor function.

I've been using ProDOS 2.4.2... so I'm already noticing something w/ graphics - I tried Apple II Desktop; I thought the version I found (asciiexpress.net) wasn't in English, but after booting a couple games I noticed that it was actually my screen or the graphics; it seems like its missing every-other column, or missing some columns at the very least. Maybe I'm not booting in 80 column mode, but that doesn't make sense b/c all softwares booted right from a disk... hmmmm. Have to figure that out. (All text modes, both 40 and 80 column, display perfectly... and whats weird is I think *some* graphics I've loaded looked correct; like thru a BASIC program, or 'Apple Presents...' disks...

Hmmm could be a couple of things... could depend on the age of the IIe, early versions weren't reliable at "double hi-res" the mode that Apple Desktop runs in. It could be faulty memory on your 80col card. Off hand you'd probably
want to disable the accelerator and try the self-test, ctl-solid apple-reset see if it throws any errors. Or it could be the accelerator again, they tend to run in full time DMA as much as possible, they also tend to mirror Bank0 ram. This means it can't see the Bank1 memory which lives on the 80col card and is vital to the missing sections of video. Basically double-hires uses
the video ram on the motherboard, and the equivalent out on the 80col card to give double the width graphics. The disks you've been playing with aside
from the Desktop would be running in Hi-Res.. doesn't access the extra memory and will look fine.

You might want to check the 80col card, it'll be in the auxilliary slot away from the other slots. It may be a RamWorks card, more memory than the regular 64k on an 80col card. It'll hold up to 1Mb depending on its version. Early ones were 256/512k.

While playing around with it initially, I'd be inclined to pull the accelerator. See what works, and once your happy with that and everything functions put the accelerator back in and see what it interferes with.

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Apples were where I got my start in school too. My friend had one
growing up (my other friend out of our nerd trio had a TS1000, TS2068 and then finally an Apple //c). Of course, when the time came, dad bought an Atari due to the games (and his best college friend having a 400). Of course, we went the 800xl route.

Having been playing around with the IIe platform for a few days (lol... I'm goin down the rabbit hole), I can see why the II-series did so well. In fact, even when the first Macintosh systems came out the II-series still lived on for years.

Benj Edwards wrote an article and I think he was right on; https://www.howtogeek.com/809799/45-years-later-the-apple-ii-still-has-lessons -to-teach-us/

This was the era of Apple *wanting* us to hack; while we were on C=64s or Atari machines, even the earliest of the Apple II's had 7 expansion slots and anyone could hack together - even hardware... the fact that Apple slam dunked the American school system was the meat, but there was plenty of potatoes to go around.

While it IS rudimentary, like most other micro's of the time, once you get to the ProDOS era and have 4-6 disk drives connected; drives labels are 'volumes' - to call any connected device, just search for its '/Volume' and the Apple II finds the drive... seeks all connected until it sees the volume; at any rate, its been neat seeing how intelligent even these first real Apple systems were.

I spun by yer bbS - it l00ked great, but I idled too long... I'll come back by sir. :P



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On 19 Jun 23 05:19:28 paulie420 wrote...

Welcome to the Applie ][e world! (Got one myself, along with a
//c). When you're ready to venture out into Atari land... Just
say the word. :)

You know the funny thing... the seller also had an Atari 400,
working, that they would have let go for almost any OK offer. If it
had been an 800 I might have l00ked a little harder - but I left it
there. UGH.

To which Commodore Clifford replies...

Yeah, I'll be honest, the 400 isn't one of the machines I'm looking for
in my collection. I also passed (so far) on a 600xl (might be
reconsidering that someday though due to the size) and the 65xe.

If you're only going to get one, the 800xl is really the way to go. A
1200xl is pretty great, but the keyboards tend to be faulty (but also not
to hard to repair, and beyond that, it's the best keyboard out there).

The 400 never really "did it" for me.

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On 19 Jun 23 05:19:28 paulie420 wrote...

Welcome to the Applie ][e world! (Got one myself, along with a
//c). When you're ready to venture out into Atari land... Just
say the word. :)

You know the funny thing... the seller also had an Atari 400,
working, that they would have let go for almost any OK offer. If it
had been an 800 I might have l00ked a little harder - but I left it
there. UGH.

To which Commodore Clifford replies...

Oh, and thanks for stopping by the BBS!

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Chuckle, RamCharger and a RamFactor card were on the drool list. In typical AE fashion the combo tended to be a bit unreliable. Probably
bad quality control rather than initial design or QC. The RamCharger essentially turns the RamFactor into a solid state drive. There should
be a battery, a wall charger and a card that plugs into both the motherboard and the "ramcard". It supplies both refresh and power.

Yea, I'm gonna have another POKE around.. I'll be certain to PEEK in all the boxes, but I don't think theres a RamFactor card; its an expansion slot card, right, not some daughter board or anything?

Yea, I have the RAMCharger box, wall wart and cable that would connect to the mobo (ground) and RamFactor... I can see how a RAMDisk would have been awesome back then - but man, people really trusted software to that?! I guess more just for coming back up after some time away... but not like DATA that you didn't have elsewhere... :P

The issue will be DMA I expect. You can only have one DMA device in your IIe, it doesn't know what to do with more and causes bus issues. Most IIe accelsiorators run in almost full time DMA suspending the onboard processor function.

Ahhhh, yer prolly right - theres DIP switches for ignoring CARDS that interfere w/ DMA, but not for the audio in/out jacks - makes sense.

That dang card, too - many times you'll get all the way to playing a game and remember yer gonna have to go shut it off. But it is neat seeing BASIC or applications loading 3x quicker than normal.

Hmmm could be a couple of things... could depend on the age of the IIe, early versions weren't reliable at "double hi-res" the mode that Apple Desktop runs in. It could be faulty memory on your 80col card. Off hand you'd probably want to disable the accelerator and try the self-test, ctl-solid apple-reset see if it throws any errors. Or it could be the accelerator again, they tend to run in full time DMA as much as
possible, they also tend to mirror Bank0 ram. This means it can't see
the Bank1 memory which lives on the 80col card and is vital to the
missing sections of video. Basically double-hires uses the video ram on the motherboard, and the equivalent out on the 80col card to give double the width graphics. The disks you've been playing with aside from the Desktop would be running in Hi-Res.. doesn't access the extra memory and will look fine.

You might want to check the 80col card, it'll be in the auxilliary slot away from the other slots. It may be a RamWorks card, more memory than the regular 64k on an 80col card. It'll hold up to 1Mb depending on its version. Early ones were 256/512k.

While playing around with it initially, I'd be inclined to pull the accelerator. See what works, and once your happy with that and
everything functions put the accelerator back in and see what it interferes with.

Ok - lots to digest here; first, thanks for all these suggestions - I've exported the .txt and will make sure I do all your suggestions... I hadn't thought about the accelerator, but I usually have it switched OFF when I'm loading a game - however, maybe a DIP switch isn't set right; if you change the order of cards, it could easily be overlapping something. Thanks.

I have ran the RamTester software and all RAM came back OK - but I dunno if thats to be 100% trusted. I've also ran the BA-CTRL-RESET test, and it went thru its video modes and didn't throw any errors there...

Regardless, tho, you've given me lots to check into; if I can't iron it out I'll get some photos posted to the forum communities; thanks, Spectre!



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Yeah, I'll be honest, the 400 isn't one of the machines I'm looking for

Any interest in an STFM with a Gotek and Ultrasatan? :)

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Yea, I'm gonna have another POKE around.. I'll be certain to PEEK in all the boxes, but I don't think theres a RamFactor card; its an expansion slot card, right, not some daughter board or anything?

The usual slot for a RamFactor was 5, but like a lot of cards, it'll go in
any slot. If there's no serial cards, 1 or 2 are also available.

awesome back then - but man, people really trusted software to that?! I

It'd be O/S and applications you put on the RamFactor, not data as such.
Would give you a much faster boot time. Although because of the way it
works, some of the SCSI cards were actually faster.

While playing around with it initially, I'd be inclined to pull the accelerator. See what works, and once your happy with that and

thought about the accelerator, but I usually have it switched OFF when I'm loading a game - however, maybe a DIP switch isn't set right; if you

Even with acceleration disabled, you may still well be using the accelerator card for processing so the problems will persist. One of the reasons I'd be inclined to remove it for now.

Most of the goodies you've got a really more targeted at a business end of things. Appleworks, ProTerm, I forget what else now off hand will all run accelerated happily, and don't use any video modes.

Once you start looking at games you'll run into more issues. It kind of
becomes choose the best selection of cards for your purpose.

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Any interest in an STFM with a Gotek and Ultrasatan? :)

My ears always perk for any retro machines - I'm heavy right now, just having jumped into Apple... BUT, I'll ask what it took you to get to that point with yer STFM?

(Or, round about what would you sell for?) Every time I get a new vintage computer, I buy the gotek/wifi modem/CFCard solutions - thats the 'hard' bit.



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Even with acceleration disabled, you may still well be using the accelerator card for processing so the problems will persist. One of
the reasons I'd be inclined to remove it for now.

Ahhh - again, thanks for that tidbit. As I go thru the machine, I'll reinstall cards one by one and test from the base stock system.

Most of the goodies you've got a really more targeted at a business end
of things. Appleworks, ProTerm, I forget what else now off hand will
all run accelerated happily, and don't use any video modes.

Makes complete sense; since I have the receipts, I can see that it was the PROPERTY of, not sold by, a computer store in the Chicago area:

Wallace Micro-Mart
2619 North University
Peoria, IL 61604
(309) 685-7876

... while I don't think I need it in 2023, I sure wish I had the RamFactor card to complete the RAMCharger hardware. Can't win em all.

Once you start looking at games you'll run into more issues. It kind of becomes choose the best selection of cards for your purpose.

Understood - I was attempting to just keep the setup that the cards came in; the disk controllers will still live in 6 & 5 - but I'll have to learn the jumpers for both the accelerator and the I/O... easy enough, I have the documentation on both.

Thanks for m0re tips. :P



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My ears always perk for any retro machines - I'm heavy right now, just having jumped into Apple... BUT, I'll ask what it took you to get to
that point with yer STFM?

I'm the same, I go through phases lol. In fact I'm reconsidering offering this up as talking about it has made me interested to play with it again :P

The STFM was pretty easy to mod. The GOTEK mod is simple, I /think/ I used this kit: https://www.retro32.com/product/atari-st-gotek-drive-oled-usb-stick

The UltraSatan was also pretty simple. I got mine from a US seller on eBay but it was this kit: https://lotharek.pl/productdetail.php?id=48

Something I have been planning to work on at some point was accelerating this machine with an 030. I actually have a TerribleFire for this computer, but I need to do some prerequisite work first. I have to get a TOS decoder and some other bits and bobs, but I actually have all the necessary parts and just need to get it done!

One thing that was super tricky to find was an appropriate Atari monitor. I found two and now have a spare, in case you end up needing one some day. It's a fun computer!

Alas sorry I must withdraw my previous offer as while writing this out I have decided to rethink dumping it in favor of finishing the 030 mod :P Maybe once that's done I'll feel more inclined to part with it.

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On 20 Jun 23 23:59:41 esc wrote...

One thing that was super tricky to find was an appropriate Atari
monitor. I found two and now have a spare, in case you end up needing
one some day. It's a fun computer!

Alas sorry I must withdraw my previous offer as while writing this
out I have decided to rethink dumping it in favor of finishing the
030 mod :P Maybe once that's done I'll feel more inclined to part
with it.

To which Darklord replies...

As far as Atari monitors go, if you can get the original Atari SC1224
monitor made by JVC, it's got the best picture. However, they can be a
bit hard to find.

Another solid choice is to grab one of the VGA adapters that will let you
use any modern LCD that syncs down to the ST's video signal. Here are
some links:

https://tinyurl.com/bdfsuk72

https://centuriontech.eu/product/st2vga-r4/

The first link will take you to a thread at Atari Age covering the Dell
27" monitor, usually available for around $100.00, that works with the ST
line.

The second link is to the device that plugs in between the ST and the
monitor. I have this setup on my Atari Mega STe and it's great. :)


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My ears always perk for any retro machines - I'm heavy right now, jus having jumped into Apple... BUT, I'll ask what it took you to get to that point with yer STFM?

I'm the same, I go through phases lol. In fact I'm reconsidering
offering this up as talking about it has made me interested to play with it again :P

Exactly - aside from necessity or some extreme issue in life, I don't think I'll sell any of my retro machines... too many stories of ppl wishing they hadn't.

I like to do 'stupid' stuff, like I write down common commands and keep a set of software backup up - with instructions on how to use it. Ever walked away from a retro and come back a year later and completely (or mostly) forget how to operate it? I have...

Another thing I do, but can be expensive... I have two super large Pelican cases; I removed the foam from one, and got a new set - it contains the entirety of my C=128 collection, with aforementioned documentation/software. Its a case containing an entire C= collection. Awesome.

Alas sorry I must withdraw my previous offer as while writing this out I have decided to rethink dumping it in favor of finishing the 030 mod :P Maybe once that's done I'll feel more inclined to part with it.

LOL - I wasn't even 'serious', just wondered what you got into it for... in my C=128, I'm prolly all in for $750 - but, I bought it fully refurbished and complete... and added a few aftermarket solutions for it; SD2IEC, WiFi Modem, JiffyDOS ROMs, Fastloader...

The Apple IIe cost me $350 - but came with a lot of desirables IMO; I'm stoked to have a period-correct accelerator.

Cheers, esc!



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Hello paulie420,

24 Jun 23 07:42, you wrote to esc:

My ears always perk for any retro machines - I'm heavy right
now, jus having jumped into Apple... BUT, I'll ask what it
took you to get to that point with yer STFM?

I'm the same, I go through phases lol. In fact I'm reconsidering
offering this up as talking about it has made me interested to
play with it again :P

Exactly - aside from necessity or some extreme issue in life, I don't
think I'll sell any of my retro machines... too many stories of ppl
wishing they hadn't.

I like to do 'stupid' stuff, like I write down common commands and
keep a set of software backup up - with instructions on how to use it.
Ever walked away from a retro and come back a year later and
completely (or mostly) forget how to operate it? I have...

Another thing I do, but can be expensive... I have two super large
Pelican cases; I removed the foam from one, and got a new set - it
contains the entirety of my C=128 collection, with aforementioned documentation/software. Its a case containing an entire C= collection. Awesome.

Alas sorry I must withdraw my previous offer as while writing
this out I have decided to rethink dumping it in favor of
finishing the 030 mod :P Maybe once that's done I'll feel more
inclined to part with it.

LOL - I wasn't even 'serious', just wondered what you got into it
for... in my C=128, I'm prolly all in for $750 - but, I bought it
fully refurbished and complete... and added a few aftermarket
solutions for it; SD2IEC, WiFi Modem, JiffyDOS ROMs, Fastloader...

why don't you start a C= / Apple BBS on real hw? :)
for example 128 fOr beeRS :)

Regards,
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dp

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I have a WiFi modem; I like it b/c it can be used on many different pla
of retro computers - MS-DOS, Apple IIe, even C=64 w/ an adapter... its
the cheapest ways to connect many retro machines.

Check Contiki, for both Apple and Commodore retro's - its a really nice
of network utilities.

I will have to check that out. I would love to hook the Apple //c up to
the interwebs to do some BBSing. I already have a Commodore specific WiFi
modem for the C128, so I am good there. I do have an Apple emulator I was
able to get connected, so I do know I have the proper software to
connect.
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why don't you start a C= / Apple BBS on real hw? :) for example
128 fOr beeRS :)

Hehe. I love my AppleII gear, but even way back when I fired up a BBS on
a 286, it was much better at it than the II was...

Spec


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why don't you start a C= / Apple BBS on real hw? :)
for example 128 fOr beeRS :)

I've actually thought of this - and/or starting a BBS that can at least be seen and used by all of the retro platforms.

We'll see... :P



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I've actually thought of this - and/or starting a BBS that can at least
be seen and used by all of the retro platforms.

Exactly what I've been shooting for with mine :)

I wonder if non-Apples can do ProTerm Special Emulation...

... I think I am, therefore, I am... I think.

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I've actually thought of this - and/or starting a BBS that can at

least

be seen and used by all of the retro platforms.

Exactly what I've been shooting for with mine :)

I wonder if non-Apples can do ProTerm Special Emulation...

Actually (and I wish I'd kept this somehow), one of my users back in 1987
wrote a PC terminal program to emulate Proterm Special in ANSI format, so everyone could play columns (before someone re-wrote my code and made an ANSI version as well). Doesn't help much, but maybe someone could do it again?
It had z-modem support as well.

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I wonder if non-Apples can do ProTerm Special Emulation...

Not that I'm aware of. PT Special is a kind of butchered VT100 apparently,
but not remotely compatible. On the flip side, thinking about proterm, it actually contains a host mode which would probably be the easiest BBS to try and implement.

There's GBBS and GBBSpro, the former being DOS3.3 and the latter being Prodos based. Both are limited to using 64k though. They use a script something
like applesoft, I'm not aware of any base package for it though, you've just got to start from scratch and any odd code you can find around the traps online.

There's also Warp6 but I really don't know anything about that.

Spec


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On 19 Jun 23 14:58:28 paulie420 wrote...

I spun by yer bbS - it l00ked great, but I idled too long... I'll
come back by sir. :P

To which Commodore Clifford replies...

Glad you stopped by! Looking forward to seeing you again! Thanks for
the article... I'll have to check it out later.

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On 19 Jun 23 20:36:38 esc wrote...

Yeah, I'll be honest, the 400 isn't one of the machines I'm
looking for

Any interest in an STFM with a Gotek and Ultrasatan? :)

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To which Commodore Clifford replies...

I actually don't have a working STFM... never did. But that said, I have
a bunch of Mega ST's, Mega STE's, two Falcons (one is currently dead) two
Mega STE's (again, one is dead), a couple 520STs... Probably 3
UltraSatans and only the universe knows what else. :) (And that's just
the ST line).

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