Who lied?

You lied to your son about "Trump supporters all around us and
nothing but Trump supporters for miles and miles" - which means
at least a few confederates of the opposition were present.

A couple media people, 6 or 7 protesters. That's about it. We can take em.

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That's a good way to sum it up. They don't want anyone thinking outside
of the box because the box is their ticket to our money.

Exactly. It's easier to herd a group toward their goal than convince a bunch of individuals.


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I don't remember them asking ANY of these questions. I remember them asking about Project 2025, Trump tariffs, abortion, Haitian recipes, and that's about
it.

Afghanistan did come up. Migrants certainly came up.

If the media asked questions that the middle class cared about, then I think a
lot more of us (left/right) would be united. When they ask questions like "Isn't Project 2025 a cool thing?" they are obviously just trying to hurt Trum
and to score points for Harris.

As some one who is in the middle class, I am a little concerned about
Project 2025 and do want reassurance that both candidates see that overall
it is not a good plan. Trump said it had some good things and some bad
things, which is correct.

There have been some rogue individual delegates who do ultimately try to vote for someone else but their votes are not always counted.

I haven't payed much attention to the contrast between popular vote and electoral vote of the years, but I will pay close attention this time because this election is so important.

Just remember, for most states, it is still supposed to be the popular vote
*in that state* and not the whole country. So we could still have a
situation like 2016 where one candidate wins the overall popular vote (HRC) while the other wins the most electoral college votes (Trump).

Some states were playing around with the idea of basically giving up their own voice and requiring their state delegates to vote for the winner of the *national* popular vote. It was mostly blue states and I don't know whether or not any state decided that.

So the states can individually make rules for the delegates? That's messed up.
There's too many hands in the pot.

Yes, they apparently can. Most all of them want their votes counted
towards who won their own state popular vote because it benefits them as a state. Doing it any other way really would not.

The stuff you're telling me is setting off multiple alarms in my head. Each state's party selects the delegates? That sounds like a very bad problem. The New York GOP is incredibly corrupt. And those villains have the power to selec
delegates for the presidential election? That's not good at all. I don't trust
em! Nobody should ever trust their state's party officials. Not for a second.

That is my understanding of how it works. Those delegates are sworn to
cast the votes for their party should their party win the popular vote.

I was under the impression that the national GOP would select all the delegates.

The fewer times the national anything tells your state what to do, the
better.

I don't expect that the MAGA people would riot. It's just not what we do. We have jobs, we're not on a quest for free stuff, and we don't have time for jail. I assure you that I'm a major MAGA guy and I promise you that I'm not gonna protest if something doesn't go my way.

This could be said with a straight face until January 6, 2021. No one can
say that about their side any more.


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As some one who is in the middle class, I am a little concerned about Project 2025 and do want reassurance that both candidates see that
overall it is not a good plan. Trump said it had some good things and some bad things, which is correct.

Why are you concerned about it though?

I was under the impression that the national GOP would select all the delegates.

The fewer times the national anything tells your state what to do, the better.

I don't trust any of the party, but I trust the RNC more than I trust the NY GOP. The RNC gave us Trump, while the NY GOP hands elections to Democrats every year. That's a big difference.

I don't expect that the MAGA people would riot. It's just not what we do have jobs, we're not on a quest for free stuff, and we don't have time f jail. I assure you that I'm a major MAGA guy and I promise you that I'm gonna protest if something doesn't go my way.

This could be said with a straight face until January 6, 2021. No one
can say that about their side any more.

I will do a lot for Trump but I won't protest for him. If the Democrats cheat, there's nothing I can do about it. They cheated before, they'll cheat again, I won't walk out my front door because of it.

I'm critical of people who overreact to things and I try to not do it myself.

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That is a problem to me, IMHO. The President isn't supposed to be the cultural and moral leader of the country. That is how Obama got elected. We need to elect candidates who will set a strong fiscal agenda for the country, not to be our surrogate parents/ministers and not to lead us
down some path into whatever their "Brave New World" (or "1984") vision is, consequences be damned.

This.

It's more akin to a European prime minister role, perhaps? General fiscal policy, foreign relations, military command, and pushing legislative priorities.

I abhor the amount of power that particular office has (and/or is perceived to have), and I'm frustrated that the general attitude continues to appear to want to elevate it.

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As some one who is in the middle class, I am a little concerned about Project 2025 and do want reassurance that both candidates see that overall it is not a good plan. Trump said it had some good things and some bad things, which is correct.

Why are you concerned about it though?

Supporters apparently wrote it. If those supporters are donors, you need
to be concerned. Also, we know that Trump does not like to disappoint his
most ardent supporters.

I was under the impression that the national GOP would select all the delegates.

The fewer times the national anything tells your state what to do, the better.

I don't trust any of the party, but I trust the RNC more than I trust the NY GOP. The RNC gave us Trump, while the NY GOP hands elections to Democrats ever
year. That's a big difference.

I don't think the RNC "gave" us Trump. In 2016, he was sort of forced on
them by the primary voters. In 2020, he was the incumbent. By 2024, Trump
and his allies have pretty much taken the RNC over, much as Hillary took
over the DNC in 2016.

You don't remember how much the established Republicans initially didn't like Trump?

I will do a lot for Trump but I won't protest for him. If the Democrats cheat, >there's nothing I can do about it. They cheated before, they'll cheat again, I >won't walk out my front door because of it.

I'm critical of people who overreact to things and I try to not do it myself.

That is good on you. I would not, either.


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That is a problem to me, IMHO. The President isn't supposed to be the cultural and moral leader of the country. That is how Obama got elected.
We need to elect candidates who will set a strong fiscal agenda for the country, not to be our surrogate parents/ministers and not to lead us down some path into whatever their "Brave New World" (or "1984") vision is, consequences be damned.

This.

It's more akin to a European prime minister role, perhaps? General fiscal policy, foreign relations, military command, and pushing legislative priorities.

That is how I was taught that it is.

I abhor the amount of power that particular office has (and/or is perceived to
have), and I'm frustrated that the general attitude continues to appear to wan
to elevate it.

I believe the problem is how much power some people perceive the office of President to have, and agree giving the office too much power is a very bad idea. It is most certainly not what the framers of our Constitution, who
had just freed themselves from such an arrangement, had in mind when they
set up the checks and balances for our new government.

Now, can they set bad fiscal, foreign, or legislative policies/priorites that cause us problems? Yes they can but, in most cases, they cannot do it
alone, and we don't want to cause a situation where they can.


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