• Responsibilty (was:Re: Inventions)

    From JOE MACKEY@1:135/392 to GEORGE POPE on Thu Mar 31 05:53:48 2022
    CP wrote --

    Those voting against the "ilegals" are doing grwat -- they use them for cheap(beliow legal minwage) in their farms or estates

    People will always try and find the cheapest labour available. (Now if someone has needed skills, talents, etc that's another story). But for
    mundane dirty work its those who will work for less.
    In the South, and to to some extent in the north, at one time it was
    slavery for blacks and indentured servants for white's. With indentured workers
    after a period of time they were free, unlike slaves.
    While the South kept slaves, the north (who also had slaves) had waves of immigrants over the years (the Irish, the Italians, Eastern Europeans, etc)
    who gladly worked for next to nothing since it was better than nothing and better than where they left.
    Those are now replaced by illegals from the southern border.
    The Irish, etc were all legal though and not comparing them to illegals.

    I say there's a core set of costs that are must haves for everyone to participate in, federally, (national defense, of course, & minimally required amnounts to operate the government itself

    Agreed.

    & for rasises for pols -- they can propose a raise bill, but it only goes after the next election, so if it's a bad move, the voters can directly respond to it.

    Absolutely.

    I mean, for you & me, raises go with merits & proven value to the boss. Why should these yutzes be excepted?

    Totally agree.
    And I am of a mixed mind about term limits.
    In the abstract we have term limits every two, four and six years were we vote the bad ones out. The trouble is after an election or two they are the only ones the voters know about and after giving out "free money" one way or another to the voters keeps t
    I was talking to a coworker the other day who getting a weekly Covid
    test "because its free". I told him no it wasn't, his tax money is paying for it. He never thought of it that way. ==sigh==

    it's simpler to man up & take personal responsibilty

    Again, totally concur.
    I am no more responsible for what my ancestors may or may not have done,
    than some kid in Germany or Japan is responsible for WWII.

    & if they can';t find any, they're not averse to making some thing up out of whole cloth, or to manipulate people or events so as to make them more newsworthy.

    And when found out they drop that like it never happened.
    Its like Emily Latella on the old Saturday Night Live show in the '70s,
    when it was funny.
    Gilda Radner played this frumpy old woman who was upset about something
    and when found she didn't know what she was talking about would reply, "Never mind". And the media simply moves on to something else.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQppLas38uI&ab_channel=SaturdayNightLive
    for a couple of her comments.

    They've madesome errors, like people pointing out how the big crowd had du8plicate groups of people pasted in here & there. Or when shadows indicate the stated time is incorrect.

    I am reminded of a live remote stand up of a reporter talking about a big flood somewhere, all sorts of problems and such, how terrible it was and in
    the background a man walks past and the water is only about ankle deep.
    Joe
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  • From George Pope@1:153/757 to Joe Mackey on Thu Apr 7 10:15:48 2022
    CP wrote --
    Those voting against the "ilegals" are doing grwat -- they use them for
    cheap(beliow legal minwage) in their farms or estates
    People will always try and find the cheapest labour available. (Now if someone has needed skills, talents, etc that's another story). But for mundane dirty work its those who will work for less.

    I apply, occasionally, for the entry level jobs, willing to accept minwage, just to have positive cash flow for my time.

    I let them know of my added value during the interview, but that tends to knock me out of the running. I prefer to dfeal dirctly with the owner of a propeership, who can evaluate me for my monetary value to him, & accept that I'm worth more than the others. In my current job, I've never had to ask for araise, as he just gives them to me on occasion. (he doesnt believe in giving blanket raises juust for existing in the company for X time; neither do I believe in taking his money without having earned it - my policy is to give more than I'm paid for. Only asn owner can recognize this. (he even said once, when giving me the full day off with pay, when I only asked for 4 hours, without pay: "I see what you do, George, how you arrive early & stay late, & don't leave work for the next shift like the others do."

    I don't even consider those extras, per se-- just how I operate.

    In the South, and to to some extent in the north, at one time it was
    slavery for blacks and indentured servants for white's. With indentured workers
    after a period of time they were free, unlike slaves.

    Hard times for all but the landed nobility.

    While the South kept slaves, the north (who also had slaves) had waves of immigrants over the years (the Irish, the Italians, Eastern Europeans, etc) who gladly worked for next to nothing since it was better than nothing and better than where they left.

    I know the North did, unlike many I talk with, who think the North was pristine regarding slavery, ignorimng how thefounding farthers all had slaves, & even Lincoln at one time, & he was quoted as saying slavery was essential, but thety hjust dion't realize thar his later anti-slavery stance was more a matter of political expedience than personal conviction.

    I certainly don't care either way -- he's long dead, as is legal slavery.

    Those are now replaced by illegals from the southern border.
    The Irish, etc were all legal though and not comparing them to illegals.

    True enough; then there were yhe Italians, wiling to do any greunt job just to ghave a foot on the ground in America, but there existed much anti-Italian sentiment after WW2, & signs would say "Help wanted; No n*ggers or Italians"

    Iacocca detailed how this affected his father when he was young & they were all new to America.

    I'm surprised they didn't say "No Germans" as Germany was more a direct threat to America & her allies than Italy.

    And I am of a mixed mind about term limits.
    In the abstract we have term limits every two, four and six years were we vote the bad ones out. The trouble is after an election or two they are the only ones the voters know about and after giving out "free money" one way or another to the voters keeps t

    I like that our mayor here has been in for 11+ ters, because he is re-elected by popular acclaim on his merits, not on pork barrel politics.

    I was talking to a coworker the other day who getting a weekly Covid
    test "because its free". I told him no it wasn't, his tax money is paying for
    it. He never thought of it that way. ==sigh==

    Same up here, where it's all "free"; I have toeducate young & old howwe all pay

    for every bit of it, so please don't misuse it or overuse, just because "it's free"; I'm thought of as a kook by these young & old alike. . oh well. My dad raised me to be honest & follow high standards of morals & personal ethics.

    I've seen a privately done study that compared living costs of Canada vs USA & it was very similar -- where you guys have big medical costs, we have higher taxation costs.

    it's simpler to man up & take personal responsibilty
    Again, totally concur.

    Sadly, some thing the rich, including politicians, asre universally exempt from. :'(

    Couple taglines:
    First thing we do is kill all the lawyers --Shakespeare I prefer:
    First thing we do is jail all the bankers. --G.Pope

    I am no more responsible for what my ancestors may or may not have done,
    than some kid in Germany or Japan is responsible for WWII.

    Yup, but they still suffer the blame; those still praticing Naziisn (or Neo Nazis as they bil t hemselves) dfeserve all the hate due Hitler if he were still alive, but the majority of Germans are great people & their cooking is some of my favourite in thre world!

    & if they can';t find any, they're not averse to making some thing up out of
    whole cloth, or to manipulate people or events so as to make them more newsworthy.
    And when found out they drop that like it never happened.
    Its like Emily Latella on the old Saturday Night Live show in the '70s,
    when it was funny.
    Gilda Radner played this frumpy old woman who was upset about something
    and when found she didn't know what she was talking about would reply, "Never mind". And the media simply moves on to something else.

    I have seen her doing that bit some time since. . .

    It's juystt hat simple, slide the camera off someone & start a new conversation with even t he homeless guy there, about anything. I see it done regularly on today's news. & comics sare still spoofing them for it -- even pouplar music, like Don Henley's "Dirty Laundry" taking on the disgusting practices of buttonholing victims to ask for their feelings ("Your 3 kids were all brutally raped & murdered, Mrs. Jones; how do you feel about that & whomever did it?")

    You pull that crap on me, you're getting punched; I don't care what will happen to me for it, either -- someone has to make the etiquette point clearly & set an example.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQppLas38uI&ab_channel=SaturdayNightLive
    for a couple of her comments.

    I'll watch just for the enjoyment of the comedy craft well done. I took a break & just wayched it -- pure gold!

    F*** cancer for what it did to the Lady Radner.

    They've madesome errors, like people pointing out how the big crowd had
    du8plicate groups of people pasted in here & there. Or when shadows indicate
    the stated time is incorrect.
    I am reminded of a live remote stand up of a reporter talking about a big flood somewhere, all sorts of problems and such, how terrible it was and in the background a man walks past and the water is only about ankle deep.

    Imaine!

    & that child found dead on the shore; the reporters were out quickly to highlight the cruelty of Europe in not giving sanctuary to re-branded terrorists. Diud you notice -- no footprints near the child -- don't people automatically run to help if they see a child lying on the sand, washed up on shore? Nah, jhusat stat far back & call the media, who likewise stay far back.

    I've read many a correspondant who stated, on the record, how such & such news agency rewrote their investigative reporting on a key topic, to reword it to fit the official storyline. :P

    Everything can be doctored. & a lot of it is.

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