• Inventions (was: Re: Old PC's)

    From JOE MACKEY@1:135/392 to GEORGE POPE on Sat Jan 22 07:31:32 2022
    CP wrote --

    True -- just like the lightbulb was parallel 'discovered'/invented on both sides of the Atlantic

    True, but there are those who take others ideas and improve on them.
    Benz invented the automobile c. 1885. But by the mid 1890s others were taking that invention, changing this and that, improving something else,
    until they came up with a more reliable machine.
    People like Charles Duryea were building one or two hand made cars at a
    time. c. 1895. Eli Ranson Olds had a stationary assembly line where the cars were pushed from one area to another around 1900.
    Ford took it a step further with interchangeable parts and used the
    moving assembly line to make a lot of cars c. 1908. He didn't invent the assembly line, I think that was Colt in the 1860s, nor did he invent interchangeable parts. He just took the idea
    During Edison's time people here and in England were working on the idea
    of an electric light. The idea was old then, it just how to do it.
    Edison came up with a filament that would last longer than a few hours.
    And yes he had a whole staff working for him and took the best idea,
    maybe made a minor change and claimed it as his own.
    And don't forget Tesla who wanted alternating current and not Edison's direct current as the standard which led to a split.
    Edison's thinking if it works, fine, don't tinker with it.
    But others took his ideas and improved on them.
    Bell, while not actually working on a telephone, was the first to make it practicable.
    The list goes on and on.

    If it ain't broke, don't fix it -- normal perople If it ain't broke, fix it til it is

    LOL. Gotta remember that one!
    Joe
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  • From George Pope@1:153/757 to Joe Mackey on Sun Jan 23 12:30:32 2022
    CP wrote --
    True -- just like the lightbulb was parallel 'discovered'/invented on both
    sides of the Atlantic
    True, but there are those who take others ideas and improve on them.
    Benz invented the automobile c. 1885. But by the mid 1890s others were taking that invention, changing this and that, improving something else, until they came up with a more reliable machine.
    People like Charles Duryea were building one or two hand made cars at a
    time. c. 1895. Eli Ranson Olds had a stationary assembly line where the cars were pushed from one area to another around 1900.
    Ford took it a step further with interchangeable parts and used the
    moving assembly line to make a lot of cars c. 1908. He didn't invent the assembly line, I think that was Colt in the 1860s, nor did he invent interchangeable parts. He just took the idea

    Yup - but people still think he invented something (usually "the car") that was already extrant (car, moving assembly line) -- he was genius to put the two together, with interchasngeable parts, &, as they call it now, "a single SKU" (sure; you can have any colour you want, so long as it's black)

    I also credit him with paying his workers enough so they could support their families appropriately AND afford to buy a Ford car. This bit of genius has been long forgotten or ignored, in the corporate world of today, along with the customer service commitment of Sam Walton. . .

    During Edison's time people here and in England were working on the idea
    of an electric light. The idea was old then, it just how to do it.
    Edison came up with a filament that would last longer than a few hours.
    And yes he had a whole staff working for him and took the best idea,
    maybe made a minor change and claimed it as his own.

    Yeah; but the standard now (I know--can't fairly judge the past by the filters of today) is to give the inventor credit, but to own(& license or sell by your own choice) the patents.

    I hate tyoday's type of "entrepreneur," who buys up as company, & chops it up, selling the patent to China, selling infrastructure to whomoever, etc, laying everyone off, & pocketing the difference in profit. . .

    I love that my current boss worked in this industry by himself, when needed, for 30+ years before starting a business.

    When he wanted to incorporate & expand, he brought in a silent partner, who still gets dividends annually.

    Now he's basivally retitredm, enjoying his grandkids, while a GM of his choosding runs everything & leaves him to enjoy life & collect his due share of profits & revenue.

    I have nothing but respect for this man -- the first I've ever had real respect for. & the only person I've ever called sir and mister & sincerely meant the honour. (a mister was just a master(employer)

    A non low-born9working class) boy became a mister when he married & thus operated/ran his own household of people (wife, kids, servants, if applicable & farmhands, when of money & land)

    Then some how we gave every male the title witghout having earned it in any way. Ditto for sir - a sdir was a knight -- a man of honour. No knights now, but I consider my bodss to be a man of honour.

    I haven't grown to call the GM (my immediate boss now; my original boss is now just friend) "sir" but I do vcall him a lesser "mister"(Mr. G) or "Jefe"(he's a PR in Mexico, whee he sdettled & immersed himself to learn the language & now operates our company from there, with his Mexican wife, & a bunch of educated Mexican staff. I'm the only OG employee left, so I have my way of diong certain things, so I got shifted 'upstairs' into admin, & out of Operations (most clients are L;astionos speaking Spanish, so I'm out of that loop -- I can fake it in French, but not Espanol. . .)

    I'm still critical to the ongoing operations, though, & the GM & I influence one another to grow & learn new things that are all client-focused.

    And don't forget Tesla who wanted alternating current and not Edison's
    direct current as the standard which led to a split.

    Yup -- that was a mess -- the media went nuts with the links of each to capital punishment.

    I consider Tesla to be a genius & Edison to be a practical & intelligent man.

    Edison's thinking if it works, fine, don't tinker with it.
    But others took his ideas and improved on them.

    The times they are a-ch-ch-ch-changing. . .

    Bell, while not actually working on a telephone, was the first to make it practicable.

    & someone else made the move to modems to translate from digital to analog(old phone lines) & back -- a necessary improvement a the time, but only then.

    If it ain't broke, don't fix it -- normal perople If it ain't broke, fix it
    til it is
    LOL. Gotta remember that one!

    You have a similar view towards Microsoft's efforts that are now based more on marketing than solid R&D?

    Gates' dream/promise came true -- a computer in every home & so much better than the 8086s running IBMDOS he first envisioned. . .

    He also promised an ear in every home & a camera on every corner -- with the newer Windows that's been done, too.

    He played ball & delivered for the powers that be & he was permitted to grow quite wealthy.

    Trump was only permitted to grow rich, but his ego never saw the difference or comprehended that there were doors closed to him, but open to others.

    Money alone isn't enough. You can be brutal (think robber barons) but you got to have honour & class. (& pedigree, usually)

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