• Re: Insurance

    From JOE MACKEY@1:135/392 to GEORGE POPE on Sat Nov 6 06:42:06 2021
    Cyberpope wrote --

    Insurance is a racket. The company is betting it will never be used, the customer betting it will pay if needed.

    You're 100% banging on all 8 cylinders. . .

    Of course, I'm always right, (he wrote modestly). :)

    Here we're born having full coverage for all medical stuff, & people milk it & abuse it.

    People down here do the same, they clog up ER's with all sorts of minor problems.

    I don't go to ER unless it truly cannot wait til the next day

    The only times I've gone to the ER is for some problem that can't wait.
    I can count on one hand the number of times in the last 50 yeas and a
    couple of them was due on-the-job injury and the company wanted CYA from workers comp.
    I have a few recurring minor health problems, I've handled them in the
    past, know what to do and take care of it myself.
    And I have taken only one sick day in something like 40 years.

    Most of my last ERs were for kidney stones (the worst pain humans ever suffer, I've been told, & believe it

    I've heard the same thing and thankfully have never experienced them.

    division that focuses on bringing enhanced medical services to local residents, for a fee for premium options, like housecalls. (we, by law, can't charge for housecalls,

    I can't recall the last time doctors down here made house calls.
    My father was a GP (general practitioner/family doctor) from 1922-62. I can't count the number of times he would get a phone call in the middle of
    the night to go somewhere.
    He delivered a lot of babies, to usually poor farm families. People were proud then and didn't want charity. Most of them were struggling and paid
    in kind when possible. He was paid in produce, farm products (hams, sides of beef, etc) sometimes in chicke
    When I was about five or six to around 11 I often went him when he was delivering a baby. I had one of two jobs.
    One was if other kids around to get them out of the house and from
    underfoot and show me their farm, tell what they did, etc.
    If only the couple in the house the father helped delivering the baby
    and my father would bring a new born to me and tell me to watch it, and if it turned blue to call him when he went back to do whatever he and the father
    were doing.
    I never saw a blue baby.

    It's like any gambling: the only way to truly come out ahead is to own the house!

    Number one rule of gambling: The house always wins.
    Joe
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  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to JOE MACKEY on Sat Nov 6 11:25:00 2021
    Joe,

    Of course, I'm always right, (he wrote modestly). :)

    You may not always be right, but you're never wrong. And, when you think you are wrong, you discover that you were mistaken. <G>

    People down here do the same, they clog up ER's with all sorts of
    minor problems.

    Same here. They use the ER as their "doctor", as they don't have a PCP.

    The only times I've gone to the ER is for some problem that can't
    wait.

    Sounds like the people calling 911 because:

    1) Their drive thru order was messed up.
    2) They're looking for a spouse.

    To them, that can't wait. :P

    I can count on one hand the number of times in the last 50 yeas and a couple of them was due on-the-job injury and the company wanted CYA
    from workers comp.

    There's likely a lot of fraud going on with that. Long ago, I got stung
    on the lip by a wasp that had crawled into my soda can, and my lower lip swelled to the size of the upper and lower lips together. Since it
    happened at work, it was covered under Workman's Compensation. I went to
    a clinic, and had to drop the pants and underwear to moon the nurse <G>,
    but to get a shot of demarol or something similar. I told them that I
    still lived with my parents (I helped with expenses, etc.), and they said
    to have them call my boss, and tell them I would not be back until the
    next day. When I put my head on the pillow, I was *OUT COLD*. I didn't
    wake up for 19 hours...it was like being under anesthesia...dreamless
    sleep. I was fine the next morning.

    I have a few recurring minor health problems, I've handled them in
    the past, know what to do and take care of it myself.
    And I have taken only one sick day in something like 40 years.

    I wish I was in that good a picture of health. For me, it's like my
    now retired PCP noted: "You're not in the best of shape, but for the
    shape you're in, you're in great shape". <G>

    I've heard the same thing and thankfully have never experienced them.

    You don't want to.

    I can't recall the last time doctors down here made house calls.

    Me neither. However, a nurse from my Medicare HMO came by in September
    for a full anatomy exam and consultation. She recommended a bone density
    scan, but I can't afford that right now...let alone several other medical procedures.

    My father was a GP (general practitioner/family doctor) from 1922-62.
    I can't count the number of times he would get a phone call in the
    middle of the night to go somewhere.

    That's the way it works when you're on call.

    He delivered a lot of babies, to usually poor farm families. People were proud then and didn't want charity. Most of them were struggling
    and paid in kind when possible. He was paid in produce, farm products (hams, sides of beef, etc) sometimes in chicken

    Sounds like the song by Dick Feller, who did a deal called "The Credit
    Card Song". This one was called "Making The Best Of A Bad Situation"...it
    had where when this guy went off to work, the milkman would stop by, and
    was there for several hours. So, this guy asked the husband about it, and
    he replied "We're never out of dairy products". <G>

    I never saw a blue baby.

    You've never been to the smurf nursery. <G>

    I think of the joke where this little girl calls 911, as her Mom is in
    labor, so the paramedics arrive, and deliver a healthy baby boy...who was spanked to get him to start breathing and crying. When they asked the
    little girl what she thought, the girl replied "He shouldn't have crawled
    up in there in the first place!! Spank him again!!" <G>

    Number one rule of gambling: The house always wins.

    I can't even beat the doorgames on the BBS...how do I think I'll win
    at a casino or playing the lottery??

    Daryl

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  • From George Pope@1:153/757.2 to JOE MACKEY on Sun Nov 7 07:56:01 2021
    You're 100% banging on all 8 cylinders. . .

    Of course, I'm always right, (he wrote modestly). :)

    I thought I was wrong, ONCE. . . but I was mistaken.

    People down here do the same, they clog up ER's with all sorts of minor problems.

    What kind of insurance give thenm that sort of freedom to do so?

    I tghougght you usually have a copay or service fee? They spoke of a $10 user fee here for ER use. I'm okay with it, if they'll drop the fee if your complaint was worthy of an ER visit, & invoice later, especially for those not well-flush with money.

    I have a few recurring minor health problems, I've handled them in the past, know what to do and take care of it myself.

    Same; & wat I don't know, my wife generally does. If I go to ER, you cvan bet I NEED it!

    And I have taken only one sick day in something like 40 years.

    Sounds like my dad -- after 30+ years, at retirement, he had 8 months of full pay from sick days accrued. Nice way to ease into the lower paycheques. . .

    He also had all his vacation pay, save 4 weeks, & spent he last ten years at work working 2 days(doubles) then 4 days off, then take 2 vacay days, then 4 days off, & repeated until it was just routine.

    Most of my last ERs were for kidney stones (the worst pain humans ever suffer, I've been told, & believe it

    I've heard the same thing and thankfully have never experienced them.

    I hope you never do.

    I can't recall the last time doctors down here made house calls.

    I can: yesterday.

    My conmpany has housecall doctors in every major city working for us. Most are 24/7. We don't pay more than $250 usually (we charge a higher fee, of course, to keep ourselves in business & getting our case manager paycheques)

    My father was a GP (general practitioner/family doctor) from 1922-62. I can't count the number of times he would get a phone call in the middle of the night to go somewhere.

    There still are doctors(GPs & various specialists) who do this, in the USA, & globally. I have personally made contracts with hundreds.

    He delivered a lot of babies, to usually poor farm families. People were proud then and didn't want charity. Most of them were struggling and paid in kind when possible. He was paid in produce, farm products (hams, sides of beef, etc) sometimes in chicke

    I've heard it was like this at one time -- & why not, right? I'd take payment like that, any time!

    When I was about five or six to around 11 I often went him when he was delivering a baby. I had one of two jobs.
    One was if other kids around to get them out of the house and from underfoot and show me their farm, tell what they did, etc.

    Fun & educatoinal!

    If only the couple in the house the father helped delivering the baby
    and my father would bring a new born to me and tell me to watch it, and if it turned blue to call him when he went back to do whatever he and the father
    were doing.
    I never saw a blue baby.

    Thankfully -- imagine the trauma if you were witness to a baby not making it, eh? :(

    Closest I came was babysitting a baby, who died that night, after going home, from SIDS (crib death)

    It's like any gambling: the only way to truly come out ahead is to own the house!

    Number one rule of gambling: The house always wins.

    Exaxcrtly why you want to be the house or at least own a profitable share of it. . .

    Works for casinos as well as insurance & stock trading. (all the same thing, really, when you get down to it)

    Your friend,

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:135/392 to DARYL STOUT on Mon Nov 8 05:31:06 2021
    Daryl wrote --

    I can count on one hand the number of times in the last 50 yeas and a couple of them was due on-the-job injury and the company wanted CYA from workers comp.

    There's likely a lot of fraud going on with that. Long ago,

    Plus, you had an employee hurt themselves on the job, refuse treatment
    then down the road sue to the company for some long term injury.
    Joe
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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:135/392 to GEORGE POPE on Mon Nov 8 07:04:34 2021
    Cyberpope wrote --

    People down here do the same, they clog up ER's with all sorts of minor problems.

    What kind of insurance give thenm that sort of freedom to do so?

    Usually those with some sort of welfare medical card where its "free".

    Same; & wat I don't know, my wife generally does. If I go to ER, you cvan bet I NEED it!

    Plus there are now all sorts of medical advice pages on the web. Type in your symptoms and get a general answer/solution to the problem.

    He also had all his vacation pay, save 4 weeks, & spent he last ten years at work working 2 days(doubles) then 4 days off, then take 2 vacay days, then 4 days off, & repeated until it was just routine.

    I've known people who have done similar things. Lots of vacation/sick
    days accrued and take that in a lump sum.
    I've had only one job with any sort of vacation pay, and that was for
    only five days, regardless how long one worked for the company. A new hire (after one year) and a 20+ year employee had the same number of days.
    Over time from when I started those were cut back until after about 10
    years after I started it was two (non-consecutive) days. It might be a
    Tuesday one week and a Wednesday the next week. (Tuesday and Wednesday were our
    usual slow days).
    My current employer offers no sick days, no vacation days. One can take
    a sick day, but its not something like X number of days a year, etc.
    However, my being posted at a university I took six weeks a year off.
    The week of Thanksgiving, four weeks for Christmas (mid-December to
    mid-January when there were no classes) and a week in March for spring break.
    Even then it was getting a call "you have the day off, you can go work
    at..."
    Being retired (and still working) I can refuse and not a lot the company
    can do about it. :)
    I seldom refuse but not a patsy working every day off.
    Joe
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  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to JOE MACKEY on Mon Nov 8 09:55:00 2021
    Joe,

    Plus, you had an employee hurt themselves on the job, refuse
    treatment then down the road sue to the company for some long term
    injury.

    Sounds like par for the course <sigh!>.

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to JOE MACKEY on Mon Nov 8 10:22:00 2021
    Joe,

    Plus there are now all sorts of medical advice pages on the web.
    Type in your symptoms and get a general answer/solution to the problem.

    QWK Tagline: WARNING!! I'm naked under these clothes!! <G>

    I've known people who have done similar things. Lots of
    vacation/sick days accrued and take that in a lump sum.

    Same here. One guy has enough time built up that he can be off from Thanksgiving Week until after New Years Day.

    I've had only one job with any sort of vacation pay, and that was for only five days, regardless how long one worked for the company. A new hire (after one year) and a 20+ year employee had the same number of
    days.

    I had vacation time with Burger King and Oxford Graphics, but the max was
    2 weeks a year, depending on how long you had been there.

    However, my being posted at a university I took six weeks a year off. The week of Thanksgiving, four weeks for Christmas (mid-December to mid-January when there were no classes) and a week in March for spring break.

    Is that an unpaid vacation??

    Being retired (and still working) I can refuse and not a lot the
    company can do about it. :)

    I thought you were going to retire and turn in your uniform in January.

    Daryl

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  • From George Pope@1:153/757.2 to JOE MACKEY on Tue Nov 9 09:56:41 2021
    [clogging ERs]
    What kind of insurance give thenm that sort of freedom to do so?

    Usually those with some sort of welfare medical card where its "free".

    How ome they get free medical care but not everyone(taxpayers) who pays for theirs does?

    You're the one & onlty G20 country without universal coverage & you're supposed to be the richest country in the world -- not living like it, I'd say.

    I know, I know:' it's averages: 12 guys have multibillions, to 80 million guys living with near nothing.

    Those living in social housing here are taxed, in a sense, on wealth: their assets are counted as income towards asessing rent cost, ast a lower than 1:1 rate.

    So it's not impossible to be done. But those 80M need to stanbd up & step up, & yu8se their voting power. Every politician wants to get elected; I think 80M votes will help a lot more than 12 will!

    Butt hese 80M are so fdumb, they believe they're betterr off poor so the top 0.0001% can be richer year by year. . .

    Same; & wat I don't know, my wife generally does. If I go to ER, you cvan bet I NEED it!

    Plus there are now all sorts of medical advice pages on the web. Type in your symptoms and get a general answer/solution to the problem.

    Yup, & we're both good at evaluating the infrmation provided, cross-referencing to ensure we're dealing with objective and evidenced facts.

    Common sense points us in the right direction to do a first search, then that & due diligence help filter the 'noise' that Google provides as results.

    I've had only one job with any sort of vacation pay, and that was for
    only five days, regardless how long one worked for the company. A new hire (after one year) and a 20+ year employee had the same number of days.
    Over time from when I started those were cut back until after about 10 years after I started it was two (non-consecutive) days. It might be a Tuesday one week and a Wednesday the next week. (Tuesday and Wednesday were our
    usual slow days).

    I have vacation pay (by law) but it's paid out as I go (my hourly rate includes my vacation & holiday pay amounts for the year (my last $1.50 raise ended up being closer to 10c/hour on my cheque!)

    I'm stilla sight better off than when I began with this company in 2006; making about double now. My rent then was $320 for a 1-BR; now I pay under $600 for a 3BR for my wife & 2 kids, & I.

    My monthly disability cheque uis about 50% higher now than when I was single.

    For a whgile, when single, i earened enough I got no monthly assistance cheque. My neighbours thought I was nuts, working for no net increase in my standard of living; I considererd my standard to be better, as I paid my own way 100%, & thus required less assistance/subsidies.

    My current employer offers no sick days, no vacation days. One can take
    a sick day, but its not something like X number of days a year, etc.

    I've never had granted number of si9ck days or vacation days (by law, I can take 2 weeks, but it's unpaid time, unless my vacation pay has accruied.)

    I'd rather be working & just request days off whebever I feel like them; never had a boss question my request for tuime off, paid or not. A nice benefit of always trying to be more valuable to them than they are to me. In one of my earlier jobs, I emnded up getting drunk with some girls & showed up at the end of my 12-hour shift the next day; my boss identifieds that I'd partied all night & told me to just close out the cash & I'd get paid for the full 12 hours!

    He was right to assume I'd repay him in kind and some, over time. . .

    I don't forget favours or kindnesses.

    However, my being posted at a university I took six weeks a year off.
    The week of Thanksgiving, four weeks for Christmas (mid-December to mid-January when there were no classes) and a week in March for spring break.

    Did you get paid equally throughout the year, month by month?

    Even then it was getting a call "you have the day off, you can go work at..."

    Yup; sam,e -- days off were great opory6unities to try other work (like getting paid doble my hourly for construction labour on my one day off out of 7! This helped me save up for 1.5 months' rent to get a nice 1BR apt; I used my tips to pay the half month's security)

    Being retired (and still working) I can refuse and not a lot the company can do about it. :)
    I seldom refuse but not a patsy working every day off.

    That's exactly how to do it, eh?

    At this job, I booked off one winter for every Thursday in December (to volunteerr for the Salvatoin Army); my boss knew I was busy on the Thursdays off but he maintained his habit of calling me first if someone called in -- I liked that -- I want first dibs, always, on overtime!

    I had to beg off, apologetically, & remind him I was working already 8 hours this day. He apologized, but still called 2 weeks later! :D

    Work hard, kids -- you won't get rich, but you'll get lots of perks, & you'll be happy enough. (happiness is a pipe dream--work towards contentment)

    Your friend,

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:135/392 to GEORGE POPE on Thu Nov 11 07:11:08 2021
    Cyberpope wrote --

    How ome they get free medical care but not everyone(taxpayers) who pays for theirs does?

    I can't speak for the other 49 states, but in West Virginia, by law, one cannot be denied medical care regardless of ability to pay, at a public, non-profit medical facility.
    This is, if one is ill, been in an accident, etc, they cannot be turned
    away from such a facility.
    I have no idea how any costs are recovered, if at all.

    You're the one & onlty G20 country without universal coverage

    Getting a bit close to modern times there, not to mention modern
    politics.

    never had a boss question my request for tuime off, paid or not.

    With my company one can request time off, for a good reason (doctors appointment, etc).
    My captain will moan and groan and put up a protest but generally agrees
    to it.
    Being semi-retired I do a bit more leeway on getting time off. There
    isn't a lot the company can do about it.
    When I took six consecutive weeks off in '19, I merely put in the request
    a month to six weeks in advance. The same last year with two weeks off.
    Security is different from most other companies. We are expected to be available to work 24/7/365. Thus one can be called to work on their day off, work doubles, etc.
    We always work holidays (Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years
    especially) since many businesses are closed and need extra coverage.
    Married people get dibs on having the day off since they have families. Single people, like me, have no real choice, since we have no real life or family/friends or anything like that. :)
    Besides, its time and a half. :)

    Did you get paid equally throughout the year, month by month?

    Not in security.
    Sometimes we put in 80+ hour weeks, other times it's in the single
    digits.
    Joe
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  • From George Pope@1:153/757.2 to JOE MACKEY on Fri Nov 12 05:59:22 2021
    I can't speak for the other 49 states, but in West Virginia, by law, one cannot be denied medical care regardless of ability to pay, at a public, non-profit medical facility.
    This is, if one is ill, been in an accident, etc, they cannot be turned away from such a facility.
    I have no idea how any costs are recovered, if at all.

    Nice, but how many of these public non-profit medical associations exist, & how well staffed(& equipment) are they?

    You're the one & onlty G20 country without universal coverage

    Getting a bit close to modern times there, not to mention modern
    politics.

    Nah, it's just philosophy now. . . ;)

    never had a boss question my request for tuime off, paid or not.

    With my company one can request time off, for a good reason (doctors appointment, etc).
    My captain will moan and groan and put up a protest but generally agrees to it.

    Good enough, eh? Do you need a doctor's letter each time?

    Being semi-retired I do a bit more leeway on getting time off. There isn't a lot the company can do about it.

    You give them solid work when y ou can & expect to be left alone when you can't, eh?

    When I took six consecutive weeks off in '19, I merely put in the request a month to six weeks in advance. The same last year with two weeks off.
    Security is different from most other companies. We are expected to be available to work 24/7/365. Thus one can be called to work on their day off, work doubles, etc.

    Ouch. :) My job in my current employewas suposed to be understood liike an emergency room. 12-hour shifts & shift end time was dependent on need at the time.

    We always work holidays (Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years
    especially) since many businesses are closed and need extra coverage.

    Makes sense to me! Are you on site, or remote monitoring?

    Married people get dibs on having the day off since they have families.

    Employers used to give more flexibility (& pay) to the married folk, especially if they had kids. Now they try to skint everyone.

    Single people, like me, have no real choice, since we have no real life or family/friends or anything like that. :)

    quote, unquote, eh?

    Besides, its time and a half. :)

    Here you get 8 hours pay on your days off for stat holidays & 2.5X total if you work the stat. I loved working stats. . .

    Did you get paid equally throughout the year, month by month?

    Not in security.

    Sorry, I was thinking teaching, as you'd memtioned the school breaks.

    Sometimes we put in 80+ hour weeks, other times it's in the single
    digits.

    As long as you're getting paid what you should be, & on time, eh?

    Your friend,

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to JOE MACKEY on Fri Nov 12 06:40:00 2021
    Joe,

    I can't speak for the other 49 states, but in West Virginia, by law,
    one cannot be denied medical care regardless of ability to pay, at a public, non-profit medical facility.
    This is, if one is ill, been in an accident, etc, they cannot be
    turned away from such a facility.
    I have no idea how any costs are recovered, if at all.

    I think Arkansas is the same way...at least that's what I've seen in
    the hospital that I frequent when I need emergency care.

    Getting a bit close to modern times there, not to mention modern politics.

    All the money spent on political races, local and national, for radio,
    TV, and print advertising, various items (textiles, signs, bumper stickers, etc.), rental fees of venues, etc. is well in the trillions of dollars. It likely is a portion of the current "national debt".

    Too bad we can't redirect that toward things like Medicare and Social Security...but I think of the song "Big City" by the late Merle Haggard.

    With my company one can request time off, for a good reason (doctors appointment, etc).
    My captain will moan and groan and put up a protest but generally
    agrees to it.

    The joke is that some places require 2 weeks notice of your death.

    When I took six consecutive weeks off in '19, I merely put in the request a month to six weeks in advance. The same last year with two weeks off.

    Surely, they'll find a way to revoke the request at the last minute.

    Married people get dibs on having the day off since they have
    families. Single people, like me, have no real choice, since we have no real life or family/friends or anything like that. :)

    I thought Sysops were married to their BBS, and Moderators to their echoes.

    Sometimes we put in 80+ hour weeks, other times it's in the single digits.

    Well, you won't put in more than 144 hours per week...that's all there
    is. <G>

    Daryl

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Daryl Stout on Fri Nov 12 21:24:00 2021
    Daryl Stout wrote to JOE MACKEY <=-

    Sometimes we put in 80+ hour weeks, other times it's in the single digits.

    Well, you won't put in more than 144 hours per week...that's
    all there is. <G>

    Perhaps, if you live somewhere where weeks are 6 days long.

    My weeks are all 168 hours long. ;-)



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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:135/392 to GEORGE POPE on Sat Nov 13 07:31:42 2021
    Cyberpope wrote --

    one cannot be denied medical care regardless of ability to pay, at a public, non-profit medical facility.
    This is, if one is ill, been in an accident, etc, they cannot be turned away from such a facility.
    I have no idea how any costs are recovered, if at all.

    Nice, but how many of these public non-profit medical associations exist, & how well staffed(& equipment) are they?

    We have two huge hospitals here, one public (Cabell-Huntington) the
    other non-profit (St Mary's).
    I'm not sure about CHH but no one is ever turned away from St Mary's.
    If one can't pay that is debt is generally just erased after a period of time,I assume. (And you know what happens when you ass-u-me).

    My captain will moan and groan and put up a protest but generally agrees to it.

    Good enough, eh? Do you need a doctor's letter each time?

    If one is off more than two or three consecutive days they need a doctors excuse.
    If one is scheduled for a medial appointment the paperwork from the
    doctor is attached to the request to show its real and not just someone wanting some time off.

    Did you get paid equally throughout the year, month by month?

    Not in security.

    Sorry, I was thinking teaching, as you'd memtioned the school breaks.

    I'm contracted with security at the university.
    The university is going more and more toward contract workers (security, temps, etc).
    With a state employee that isn't working out, it can take up to a year
    or more to fire them. Documentation, hearings, etc all that require time and money. Meanwhile the slacker is still "working" and getting paid. Even if they do nothing but show up an
    With a contract worker that isn't working out they are simply replaced.
    Joe
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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:135/392 to DARYL STOUT on Sat Nov 13 07:37:02 2021
    Daryl wrote --

    All the money spent on political races, local and national, for radio, TV, and print advertising, various items (textiles, signs, bumper stickers, etc.), rental fees of venues,

    And the same media fusses about money in politics.

    When I took six consecutive weeks off in '19, I merely put in the request a month to six weeks in advance.

    Surely, they'll find a way to revoke the request at the last minute.

    Not to mention getting a phone call "You have today off, you can go fill
    in at ...."

    I thought Sysops were married to their BBS, and Moderators to their echoes.

    There are trial separations at times.
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  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to Dan Clough on Sat Nov 13 07:57:00 2021
    Dan,

    Well, you won't put in more than 144 hours per week...that's
    all there is. <G>

    Perhaps, if you live somewhere where weeks are 6 days long.

    My weeks are all 168 hours long. ;-)

    Or like the cartoon where Bugs Bunny ends up at the South Pole with a
    penguin (he should've taken the left turn at Albuquerque <G>). When he
    first found out where he was at, he screamed "Oooo!! I'm dyin'!!". :P

    Then, he found out from his little penguin friend that "the days
    down here are 6 months long"...and said "I always wanted an extended
    vacation". <G>

    The thing is, the "long days" are similar to what the Arctic circle
    folks term "the land of the midnight sun"...during summer in the
    respective hemispheres. It's where there's constant daylight, or the
    sun is constantly at the horizon.

    But, I don't think I could deal with 24 hours of daylight or darkness.

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to JOE MACKEY on Sat Nov 13 09:32:00 2021
    Joe,

    And the same media fusses about money in politics.

    The irony of it all <sigh!>.

    Not to mention getting a phone call "You have today off, you can go
    fill in at ...."

    Sounds like my luck.

    There are trial separations at times.

    Only if you're guilty. :P

    Daryl

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  • From George Pope@1:153/757.2 to JOE MACKEY on Mon Nov 15 23:57:19 2021
    We have two huge hospitals here, one public (Cabell-Huntington) the
    other non-profit (St Mary's).
    I'm not sure about CHH but no one is ever turned away from St Mary's.
    If one can't pay that is debt is generally just erased after a period of time,I assume. (And you know what happens when you ass-u-me).

    I've heard this from others all over your land. My understanding is that nobody is tuyrmed awauy from necessary medical assistance, &8, in fact, there are often options in bigger cities for pro bono doctors' days at a local hospital (I think LA requires xx pro bono hours by doctors to maintain their state license.)

    I've seen huge amounts just dropped by hospitals in every state.

    Just contact them before it g oes to collections & make an offer of any
    amounmt or any firm plan to repay a percentage month by month. Never negotiate on the expectation you'll ever pay even as much as 50% of the original bills.

    "I have a shot at a one time gift from my uncle, but only to pay 15% of the bill. Cash tomorrow, if you agree to write off the remaining 85% as a cost of doing business."

    Tell me anyone's going to turn down a bird in the hand, in faint hope of catching the 2 they know are in the bush!

    I'm contracted with security at the university.
    The university is going more and more toward contract workers (security, temps, etc).
    With a state employee that isn't working out, it can take up to a year
    or more to fire them. Documentation, hearings, etc all that require time and money. Meanwhile the slacker is still "working" and getting paid. Even if they do nothing but show up an
    With a contract worker that isn't working out they are simply replaced.

    As it should be, eh? Every job is a contract (you do X & I pay you Y)

    If I'm working but not getting paid, I stop working. . .

    & I expect the reverse, if I stop working, don't pay me!

    I expect to work at 105-110% of the value of what I'm being paid. I am always a value-added party of any company.

    If I am unable to do my job, for, e.g. phtsical or medical issues, I'll be the first to know, & I'll be telling my boss asap & suggesting a lesser level of expectations, if possible/reasonable, or to resign quietly.

    Currently I'm doing admin/executive work, so a lot of what Io do is file based. If & when Iu'm to move on from this company, I'll zip up the whole tree of files I've ever used for this company, & prepare some manuals on how to replace me & do the main tasks I'm succeeding best at. I expect I'll split my two weeks notice between closing up loose ends & deals, and preparing training materials for my position's successor(s)

    I've seen employees be fired for cause & I've seen employees quit with a meltdown. I'm definitely sure I don't care to be either.

    I can confidently give any fgormer employer as an employment reference, knowing that if the new one is basing the decision to hire me based on past reviews/recommendations, I'm in.

    Such an amazingly simple, yet, multiplicably beneficial to all, way to live!

    But I may be the last of a dying breed.

    I'm GenX, but my personality was shaped by Boomers & the Greatest Generation (in person &/or by reading their books)

    The ones whom my peers gave birth to? YEEEP!!! Run far & wide from these sociopathic ignorami!

    & men need to up their game & quit ruining things for everybody.

    I call them out on their BS.

    I hang out with decent folk, so I've not had to uphold my promise to throat- punch any arsehole who brags about hitting his wife, kids, or pets. . .

    I help advise young women to have the right attitude towards these (don't be impressed by his boorishness)

    Most love my idea of how to respond to an unsolicited 'Richard' pic:

    Text back that she's going to report him for sending child pornography to her phone. (& be utterly convinced & insistent it was a child's member he photographed & sent)

    We could keep this sort in line easaily in the '70s, by pointing out how gay a thing it is to do such (obviously they inow girls don't go for that; & would show their male friends what a jerk sent them--eventually one would be interested & approach him)

    I say dump them for even one infraction of basic boy-girl manners.

    Doormats don't get "happily ever after"; it's not even on the table as a possibility.

    Every woman I've dated now knows how a woman should be treated & I hope their future relationships are at least as good as ours was. (I have no ill towards any of my exes)

    Your friend,

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:135/392 to GEORGE POPE on Sat Nov 20 06:14:32 2021
    Cyberpope wrote --

    I've seen huge amounts just dropped by hospitals in every state.

    And I assume a lot of that is rolled over so someone else's insurance is paying for it. Such as the $20 per aspirin legend. (I write legend since I have no solid evidence that is done, on a regular basis, though I do believe there it is possibly real) {N
    (I like to joke that I'm the last person to admit I'm wrong about
    something).

    Just contact them before it g oes to collections & make an offer of any amounmt or any firm plan to repay a percentage month by month.

    Some businesses will accept that and some won't.
    At one time, don't know if its still done, a portion of a persons wages
    could be taken, by law, to pay a debt by garnishment.

    If & when Iu'm to move on from this company, I'll zip up the whole tree of files I've ever used for this company, & prepare some manuals on how to replace me & do the main tasks I'm succeeding best at.

    When I took over as supervisor in parking enforcement around 2008, there
    was a lot of he said/she said rules and regs which seemed to change with the wind.
    I wrote a manual, with approval of the boss, on how things are done and
    not done. It'd still in effect today and a copy is given to each new hire so there is no question later with the person saying they were never told such-and-such.
    But a lot is learned on the job as circumstances come up. Otherwise it
    would be hundreds of pages for all events.

    I've seen employees be fired for cause

    I was fired from three different jobs in a row in the late '70s. And
    yes, it was due to my fault of under-performing.
    A couple of the jobs I was not suited for and best for both the employer
    and myself to part ways.

    But I may be the last of a dying breed.

    The current generation seems to have little or no work ethic.
    I was always taught to take whatever job I could do and do it well and something better would come along. And usually did.
    And there is also the Peter Principle in play, where one rises to the
    level of their incompetence. I see this quite often.
    ("The Peter Principle" was a book by Lawrence Peter in the early '70s)
    Joe
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  • From George Pope@1:153/757.2 to JOE MACKEY on Sun Nov 21 12:44:52 2021
    Cyberpope wrote --

    I've seen huge amounts just dropped by hospitals in every state.

    And I assume a lot of that is rolled over so someone else's insurance is paying for it. Such as the $20 per aspirin legend. (I write legend since I have no solid evidence that is done, on a regular basis, though I do believe there it is possibly real) {N

    I doubt it gets shovedover to someone else; most of what's dropped is bloat/markup, not actual costs of operations/staff. Physicuians tend to charge wghat they sthemselves value their worth at & we don't even attempt negotiation -- as we want doctors to love us (makes it easier, in future, to have our clients seen, & to get the medical reports afterwards)

    Facilities, though, we're well aware of how much markup their is that's not connected to actual costs on the part of the facility, & we try to knock t his down as much as possible. Big hospitals give autmatic discounts to approved cost containmemnt/negotiation comnpanies up to 60%, even! We use these HMO agencies if their fee+their discount beats what we can do.

    (I like to joke that I'm the last person to admit I'm wrong about something).

    I thought I was wrong once. . . but I was mistaken (warning: brain cells evaporate the longer you ponder this irony/paradox)

    Just contact them before it g oes to collections & make an offer of any amounmt or any firm plan to repay a percentage month by month.

    Some businesses will accept that and some won't.

    It's still worth making the offer. I should add that your offer should seem reasonable to them.

    At one time, don't know if its still done, a portion of a persons wages could be taken, by law, to pay a debt by garnishment.

    Depends on jurisdiction; AFAIK, most require a court order, unless a law was passed not requiring such for certain types of debt.

    I'm guessing that if a lawyers' firm does invoice negotiations, they might have lien options for refusal to pay.

    Here in BC, invoice negotiation is a legal activity -- doing it as a non-lawyer constitutes practicing law without a license. We only do negotiations outside of Canada, anyway, & I'm guessing that could be why. I got this from the guy who oversees our Bar Association's infractions department.

    When I took over as supervisor in parking enforcement around 2008, there was a lot of he said/she said rules and regs which seemed to change with the wind.
    I wrote a manual, with approval of the boss, on how things are done and not done. It'd still in effect today and a copy is given to each new hire so there is no question later with the person saying they were never told such-and-such.

    I could do that for any company I've worked for, as I always make a point of understanding ho0w the boss wants things done -- he/she is the boss for a reason. If I know so much about managing that kind of company, I should start my own & run it any way I lke.

    As you say, circumstances change & exceptional ones arise. Rule 3(not the Internet Rule 3 *LOL*) is think on your feet & shield your boss from annoyances you can handle yourself.

    My current boss has made this explicit; he hires us to think & to make decisions on the spot, as needed. He tlld me,k in earshot of all, "If I ask you why you did some thing a certain way, I'm not criticising--I want to know/learn so we can all benefit from your success.); he was speaking in context of a method/decision that achieved the mandated response.

    I make a point of conducting muyself with integrity, especuially now that I know tyhe secret: it shows.

    I wenmt up rto the manager of the local Safeway afew years back and said, "You owe me $140." & he just opened the till & handed it to me! I asked, "Don't you want to know why?"; he just said he knows me; I explained why anyway, & used the $40 to buy the gift cards I had purchased from a cashier, but she had lost them (put them in anunexpected place--I found later, & destroyed them, even knowing I could've used the extra $140 for groceries!)

    But a lot is learned on the job as circumstances come up. Otherwise it would be hundreds of pages for all events.

    Yup. Here are the guidlines & a few hard & fast rules; know this manual well & use it to guide, not control, your choices & actions.

    I've seen employees be fired for cause

    I was fired from three different jobs in a row in the late '70s. And
    yes, it was due to my fault of under-performing.
    A couple of the jobs I was not suited for and best for both the employer and myself to part ways.

    Fair enough. A local giant's (our first self earned billionaire) old used car dealership hads a policy; the worst salesman eac month wAs fired, each & every month. Naturallly, the bleeding heart wet-ears complained vociferously how unfair & arbitrary a policy it was. I leaned towards this thninking, too, but kept it to myself, as I didn't have his side of the story.

    Years later a lawyer friend, who knew many ex-salesmen who got fired tghis way, pointed out hoew every one was grateful as they weren't suited to the standards a successful car salesman must have, & happily moved on to a better vacatiounal path.

    But I may be the last of a dying breed.

    The current generation seems to have little or no work ethic.
    I was always taught to take whatever job I could do and do it well and something better would come along. And usually did.

    My dad worked hard to support his family, even taking on a 2nd or 3rd job, if/when actually needed; I feel this way now, even being half paralyzed: better I take a second job before my wife takes a first outside job.(second to her job as Domestic Goddess *LOL*)

    And there is also the Peter Principle in play, where one rises to the level of their incompetence. I see this quite often.
    ("The Peter Principle" was a book by Lawrence Peter in the early '70s)

    Started reading it once or twice, but got bored as I was poredicting each chapter's contents after reading a line or two. Seemed simple common sense.

    If you add more & more responsibilities to a person's position, eventually you'll overwhelm them, & they'll be unable to do it--at best; spectacularly failing in a breakdown, at worst.

    I pay attention to my abilities, stretching them as I can, but I'll warb my pboss of my tipping point beforte I hit it, & only consider lateral promotions &/or pay raises in lieu of promotion. Never had any complaint with this outlook. (everybody wants more,. but eventually realize I'm giving them more than someone else would be,in just my position)

    There's the adage: Don't be indispensible--if you can't be replaced, you can't be promoted.

    If I'm at my Peter mark, I'll contentedly train people to be promoted past me, so this normal ebb & flow isn't disrupted by my stopping where I am.

    People(parents) are afraid to teach their(&/or their neighbours') children work ethic.

    Peter Principle them out at age 8 or 9 & they'll know their limits throughout their adult vocational life. (career)

    Mollycoddle them & here we are. :P

    Children should fail often & sometimes miserably!

    If you've never failed, you've never tried
    (I forget who I'm paraphrasing here)


    Your friend,

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to George Pope on Mon Nov 22 01:35:00 2021
    George,


    I thought I was wrong once. . . but I was mistaken (warning: brain
    cells evaporate the longer you ponder this irony/paradox)

    So, *THAT'S* my problem. <G>

    I make a point of conducting muyself with integrity, especuially now
    that I know tyhe secret: it shows.

    Honesty is the best policy.

    My dad worked hard to support his family, even taking on a 2nd or 3rd
    job, if/when actually needed; I feel this way now, even being half paralyzed: better I take a second job before my wife takes a first
    outside job.(second to her job as Domestic Goddess *LOL*)

    My parents never had more than one job, but they worked hard to provide
    for my brother and I. They grew up during The Depression, so they watched
    every penny. Money talks...but, mine just waves "goodbye". :P

    If you add more & more responsibilities to a person's position,
    eventually you'll overwhelm them, & they'll be unable to do it -- at
    best; spectacularly failing in a breakdown, at worst.

    N.A.V.Y. - N)ever A)gain V)olunteer Y)ourself. :P

    Children should fail often & sometimes miserably!

    Society has gotten where it's "a crime to fail". In this life, in sports, someone has to win, and someone has to lose. Now, we give everyone a trophy
    for not even trying or preparing. Why should one bust their butts in the preparation, if they're going to reward those who don't do a thing??

    Daryl

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:135/392 to GEORGE POPE on Mon Nov 22 06:44:44 2021
    Cyberpope wrote --

    I doubt it gets shovedover to someone else; most of what's dropped is bloat/markup, not actual costs of operations/staff.

    I think it falls into the catch-all "business expenses", the same
    category a lot of stuff falls into such as stationary, etc.

    (I like to joke that I'm the last person to admit I'm wrong about something).

    I thought I was wrong once. . . but I was mistaken

    Same here. :)

    At one time, don't know if its still done, a portion of a persons wages could be taken, by law, to pay a debt by garnishment.

    Depends on jurisdiction; AFAIK, most require a court order,

    Usually its the creditors lawyers who goes to court for the order.
    Creditors already usually have all the information they need (bank
    account number, address, etc) and sort of semi-automatically done.
    One gets a letter X amount will be taken from ones pay cheque on a given
    day each month. So it is written, so it is done to coin a phrase.

    I wrote a manual,

    --snip--

    Internet Rule 3 *LOL*) is think on your feet & shield your boss from annoyances you can handle yourself.

    I try and teach the basics of the job, then give them the freedom to make their own decisions.
    I will also tell them while the manual says X about something, there
    could be times its done differently, depending on the circumstances.
    Example: all cars parked on a non-cash pay lot (meters, pay garage, etc)
    need a permit which is visible. But at times they are partly covered for any number of reasons. Provided one is able to tell the permit is valid for
    that area and not expired, that's
    I.E., use a little common sense.

    Fair enough. A local giant's (our first self earned billionaire) old used car dealership hads a policy; the worst salesman eac month wAs fired, each & every month.

    In the mid-70s I worked for a new/used car dealer.
    There was a policy if a salesman sold a car to someone they "owned" the entire family. If they sold a car to someone in 1950 they sold to every one
    in that family forever.
    The salesmen took turns on pouncing on, uh, assisting, perspective
    customers. At times some hot prospect would walk unto the lot and the old timers
    would say "That's my customer, I sold his fifth cousin, three times removed,
    a car in 1951" and take off aft
    Thus it was rough on newbies to make a living.
    (I liked selling used cars over new cars. The main reason being with a
    new car the customer would want a different colour, different options, etc
    and time would be spent either trying to find a car like that and lots of time on the phone with other dealers
    (With a used car it was "There it is, take it or leave it".) :)

    If you add more & more responsibilities to a person's position, eventually you'll overwhelm them

    That is when (where possible) delegation comes into the picture.

    If I'm at my Peter mark, I'll contentedly train people to be promoted past me, so this normal ebb & flow isn't disrupted by my stopping where I am.

    I am what I like to call "the sweet spot". I have rank and seniority and being retired I still have that on a post but none of the responsibility.
    :)

    Children should fail often & sometimes miserably!

    Failure is part of life and the learning process.
    The only time someone really fails is if when they fall they just lay
    there and not get up, dust themselves off, and start over again.

    If you've never failed, you've never tried

    Totally agree!
    Joe
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  • From George Pope@1:153/757.2 to Daryl Stout on Mon Nov 22 08:11:48 2021
    I thought I was wrong once. . . but I was mistaken (warning: brain cells evaporate the longer you ponder this irony/paradox)

    So, *THAT'S* my problem. <G>

    I stopped counting long ago! GD&R. . .

    I make a point of conducting muyself with integrity, especuially now that I know tyhe secret: it shows.

    Honesty is the best policy.

    Yup, & honestyu is more than sipmly "not lying"; if you tell the truth in a way intended to deceive, you're lying! (I'm looking at you, politicians!)

    My parents never had more than one job, but they worked hard to provide for my brother and I. They grew up during The Depression, so they watched every penny. Money talks...but, mine just waves "goodbye". :P

    There's only two ways, jhust lke dieting:
    Increase income / decrease calories input
    decrease spending / increase calorie burning

    Do both & you really begin to succeed!

    If you add more & more responsibilities to a person's position, eventually you'll overwhelm them, & they'll be unable to do it -- at best; spectacularly failing in a breakdown, at worst.

    N.A.V.Y. - N)ever A)gain V)olunteer Y)ourself. :P

    You'll get 'voluntold' (did you really step forward, or did every one else step back?)

    Society has gotten where it's "a crime to fail". In this life, in sports, someone has to win, and someone has to lose. Now, we give everyone a trophy for not even trying or preparing. Why should one bust their butts in the preparation, if they're going to reward those who don't do a thing??

    IKR? & in real ilge it doesn't work out that everyone gets a ribbon?

    I'll aply for a job against 20 of these kids with recent degrees & experience - - I have none of those & I'll get the job! Because I know the goal is to WIN. (the job, them more revenue for my new employer)

    I applied for a job in insurance a while back, & had to take a big test on their computer; I figured out what they wanted, but answered my own way anyhow:

    In any game of shirts vs skins, they want to hear I cheat & cause grievous bodily damage, to get points for my team.

    Of course not! I play hard, cuz that makes the game fun, but I play fair. When I lose, I shrug & offer a rematch. That won't work in competitive corporate business/sales.

    If it's important enough, I'll play to win & I will win, because I know how to focus on goals & solve all problems needed to achieve them.

    This works great for board games & card games, but not physical sports, as I've always sucked like Electrolux at those.

    If I wanted the job after learning the kind of corporate attitudes they had, I'd have got it. . .

    I used their name to get another job done (getyyting a guy flown back to Edmonton, into a hospital that was 2/3 closed due to Norwalk Virus, with emergency brain surgery scheduled the next morning by a surgeon who'd just done 12+ hours ion his feet in surgery! Got an old nurse on the line & explained I had a job from {insurer} & I coluld hear her spine straighten up as she meekly responded, "Yes, sir? How can I help you? You want me to bother a tired doctor on his way home? Is it important? Yes, sir" next voice I hear was his, in his car, "WHAT???"; I said Nurse X felt you were the best surgeon to take care of my patient's adsvanced Neural GBM (I learned the jargon before calling)

    He asked 2 questionhs, for which I hasd instant answerrs, & pulled over to talk to me & gave me his fax# to get the medical notes from Switzerland.

    My boss said the next morning that I saved the guy's life. Nice! Now tell me winning doesn't matter! Tell him this! :D

    Today's loser kids would've done the minimum, been rejected by the nurses, & never reached the right doctor, & would've said, "Hey, I tried." & counted it as a day's work well done.

    Let's ask the guy with the brain tumour if there's a difference!

    I decided not to get rid of my tumor anymore
    I dont know why, i guess it just grew on me.

    Your friend,

    <+]:{)}
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  • From George Pope@1:153/757.2 to JOE MACKEY on Mon Nov 22 08:39:42 2021
    Cyberpope wrote --

    I doubt it gets shovedover to someone else; most of what's dropped is bloat/markup, not actual costs of operations/staff.

    I think it falls into the catch-all "business expenses", the same category a lot of stuff falls into such as stationary, etc.

    Nash, lots of gratuitous markup -- you cannot justify $10 per single Q- Tip(swab) on costs alone. & I've personally witnessed this kind of marking up.

    Can't do that in Canmada, as you'd be stealing from the government, & they HATE
    competition!

    (I like to joke that I'm the last person to admit I'm wrong about something).

    I thought I was wrong once. . . but I was mistaken

    Same here. :)

    I heard a comic explain that when older folk are wrong, they're still more correct than the young person who's 'right.' because their so-called wrong answer is based on years of experience & observation.

    At one time, don't know if its still done, a portion of a persons wages could be taken, by law, to pay a debt by garnishment.

    Depends on jurisdiction; AFAIK, most require a court order,

    Usually its the creditors lawyers who goes to court for the order.
    Creditors already usually have all the information they need (bank
    account number, address, etc) and sort of semi-automatically done.
    One gets a letter X amount will be taken from ones pay cheque on a given day each month. So it is written, so it is done to coin a phrase.

    More like the creditor(bank) has given up & bu8lk sells a bunch of cold debts by auction & a law firm buys it & sets the newbies to work on it for strictly commission.

    I try and teach the basics of the job, then give them the freedom to make their own decisions.

    Perfect! I'll not have anyone below me that I haven't cnfirmed to be capable of learning & thinking. I only work for bosses who think like that, because they quickly hire me.

    I will also tell them while the manual says X about something, there
    could be times its done differently, depending on the circumstances.

    Of course, & don't waste your time by calling to ask abourt circuymstance x not covered the manual because you're not in the spot getting paid to solve it, they are!

    Or as my boss lamemnted to me about a coworker: "Why am I paying THEM, if I have to wake up & do the work myself?"

    I couldn't disagree & soon enough the other went walking. . .

    Example: all cars parked on a non-cash pay lot (meters, pay garage, etc) need a permit which is visible. But at times they are partly covered for any number of reasons. Provided one is able to tell the permit is valid for that area and not expired, that's
    I.E., use a little common sense.

    You'd never have had to tell me this, as I was fortunate to have common sense bequeathed(while alive) to me by a father who understood it & used it.

    In the mid-70s I worked for a new/used car dealer.
    There was a policy if a salesman sold a car to someone they "owned" the entire family. If they sold a car to someone in 1950 they sold to every one in that family forever.
    The salesmen took turns on pouncing on, uh, assisting, perspective customers. At times some hot prospect would walk unto the lot and the old timers
    would say "That's my customer, I sold his fifth cousin, three times removed, a car in 1951" and take off aft
    Thus it was rough on newbies to make a living.

    No kidding, but you gotta figure a way to beat this or you'll flounder & give up.

    Me, I'd prolly go drum up new business that'l come in asking only for me.

    (I liked selling used cars over new cars. The main reason being with a new car the customer would want a different colour, different options, etc and time would be spent either trying to find a car like that and lots of time on the phone with other dealers
    (With a used car it was "There it is, take it or leave it".) :)

    Makes sense, but I guess with new, you get a huge list of extras you can add on for bigger commissions, eh, as well as the higher sale price.

    If you add more & more responsibilities to a person's position, eventually you'll overwhelm them

    That is when (where possible) delegation comes into the picture.

    Yup, & that's critical to keeping on at one's current, comfortable, preferred position. All my boss cars is that the job is done & profits came in as a result of work with my name/department on it. (more is better, natch!)

    I am what I like to call "the sweet spot". I have rank and seniority and being retired I still have that on a post but none of the responsibility.
    :)

    So you formnally retired then went back, part-time?

    Do you keep your full pension?

    Children should fail often & sometimes miserably!

    Failure is part of life and the learning process.
    The only time someone really fails is if when they fall they just lay there and not get up, dust themselves off, and start over again.

    Exactly.

    As I say, "Those who say 'I can't,' but never tried, have lied."


    If you've never failed, you've never tried

    Totally agree!

    As I would expecrt from the mod of a "Memories" echo! *G*

    Your friend,

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to George Pope on Mon Nov 22 13:26:00 2021
    George,

    I thought I was wrong once. . . but I was mistaken (warning: brain cells evaporate the longer you ponder this irony/paradox)

    So, *THAT'S* my problem. <G>

    I stopped counting long ago! GD&R. . .

    Sort of like the commercial for how many licks does it take to get to
    the center of the Tootsie Pop. The turtle never made it without biting,
    and Mister Owl, said it only took 3 (he bit into it on the last one).

    I did that once, and as I recall, it was around 900.

    Yup, & honesty is more than sipmly "not lying"; if you tell the truth
    in a way intended to deceive, you're lying! (I'm looking at you, politicians!)

    They wouldn't know the truth if it bit them in their butts.

    Several times at restaurants, when I paid in cash (I mainly use the debit card now), if the cashier gave me too much change, I was honest about it. Surprisingly, very few thanked me for the honesty. Most swore that I was
    the one in the wrong, and they even called the manager, who backed them
    up. So, it was "Have It Your Way", whether I was at Burger King or not. <G> They found out I was right when it came time to reconcile the cash drawer.

    You'll get 'voluntold' (did you really step forward, or did every one
    else step back?)

    Both. :P

    IKR? & in real life it doesn't work out that everyone gets a ribbon?

    Exactly.

    In any game of shirts vs skins, they want to hear I cheat & cause
    grievous bodily damage, to get points for my team.

    I haven't heard that term in nearly 50 years.

    Of course not! I play hard, cuz that makes the game fun, but I play
    fair. When I lose, I shrug & offer a rematch. That won't work in competitive corporate business/sales.

    So many are great winners, but they're sore losers. Yet, they riot and destroy things whether they win or lose, as they don't know how to
    celebrate peacefully, or lose with dignity.

    This works great for board games & card games, but not physical sports,
    as I've always sucked like Electrolux at those.

    Sounds like the meme between the vacuum cleaner and the hair dryer. The
    hair dryer tells the vacuum cleaner "You Suck!!", and is told by the vacuum cleaner "Blow Me". <G>

    My boss said the next morning that I saved the guy's life. Nice! Now
    tell me winning doesn't matter! Tell him this! :D

    I saved the life of our shuttle bus driver at the National Square Dance Convention in Orlando in 1997. The last night of the event, the security
    guard at the hotel assaulted our driver, and I used amateur radio to call
    for help. When told "you saved his life", I replied "This is what amateur
    radio operators prepare for...emergency communications".

    One year, I was "Net Control" at the Susan G. Komen Race For The Cure
    for breast cancer research, that was in downtown Little Rock and North
    Little Rock that year (they still have it, but don't have the ham radio
    folks for communications anymore). I was getting razzed that "the only
    reason he took Net Control was so he could look at all the good looking females"...and there were a bunch of good looking women. ;)

    But, we got a report that a female runner was getting trampled. I
    thought "How are we going to get her out of there?? There's over forty
    thousand people downtown!!". It turned out she was claustrophobic...
    and I wondered "What is a claustrophobic person doing in the midst of
    this crowd of humanity??!!". We had a heck of a time getting the
    paramedics to her, and she was in a bad way. I wanted to tell her
    "Ma'am, next time, just send them the money, and stay home!!".

    I decided not to get rid of my tumor anymore
    I dont know why, i guess it just grew on me.

    Three is tumor than one. <G>

    Daryl

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:135/392 to GEORGE POPE on Tue Nov 23 07:39:42 2021
    Cyberpope wrote to Daryl --

    They grew up during The Depression, so they watched
    every penny. Money talks...but, mine just waves "goodbye". :P

    There's only two ways, jhust lke dieting:
    Increase income / decrease calories input
    decrease spending / increase calorie burning

    I judge my days three ways:
    A bad day is if I come home with less money than when I left.
    A good day is coming home with the same amount I left with.
    A really good day is coming home with more than I left with.
    (I sometimes find change on the ground to and from work and at work, esp around meters where drop coins and leave them. Sometimes I find only a few cents a week, sometimes nothing and sometimes close to or over a dollar in nickels, dimes and pennies).

    N.A.V.Y. - N)ever A)gain V)olunteer Y)ourself. :P

    You'll get 'voluntold' (did you really step forward, or did every one else step back?)

    I saw that in action once.
    My then major was calling for a volunteer among five of us. Four of us
    took a step backward and one found himself front of them. :)

    I'll aply for a job against 20 of these kids with recent degrees & experience

    Too often kids fresh out of school and a piece of paper with the ink
    barely dry seem to think they came waltz into some business and be made CEO off the bat.
    We have a lot of trouble in security with young people wanting a cheque
    but not for any effort given.
    I tell others if I ran the company it would be my policy to hire no one
    under 30.
    By then, hopefully, the people would have some idea of responsibility,
    work ethic, etc.

    I decided not to get rid of my tumor anymore
    I dont know why, i guess it just grew on me.

    ==Groan==
    Joe
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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:135/392 to GEORGE POPE on Tue Nov 23 08:07:06 2021
    Cyberpope wrote --

    More like the creditor(bank) has given up & bu8lk sells a bunch of cold debts by auction & a law firm buys it & sets the newbies to work on it for strictly commission.

    One job I had, briefly, was working for a debt collection company.
    They were collecting for a hospital in the Carolina's somewhere. The
    manager here said to threaten, cajole, intimidate, etc people into paying.
    The one's I spoke were (from their voice only) older poor people, or some single mother with a bunch of kids (fathers probably unknown), etc.
    That lasted about two weeks and it was agreed I was not suited for that
    job.
    (BTW, that company is no longer in business, at least around here).

    I try and teach the basics of the job, then give them the freedom to make their own decisions.

    Perfect!

    I have never been one to micro-manage people.
    Mostly because I don't like to be treated that way and I don't have the
    time to do that and my own work.
    I am not like some managers who send people out to work in the weather
    while they sit back in a warm comfy office. I'm right out there with them as well.
    I get a print out each day of what has been done, which includes the time
    it was done.
    I don't pay a lot of attention to the amount of work done and times that
    go up and down. They could be busy doing something else, assisting someone, etc.
    But when the graph goes down, down, down on a steady basis, then its time
    for a talk.

    would say "That's my customer, I sold his fifth cousin, three times removed, a car in 1951" and take off aft
    Thus it was rough on newbies to make a living.

    No kidding, but you gotta figure a way to beat this or you'll flounder & give up.

    That dealership went through a lot of new salesmen.

    (With a used car it was "There it is, take it or leave it".) :)

    Makes sense, but I guess with new, you get a huge list of extras you can add on for bigger commissions, eh, as well as the higher sale price.

    I made slightly less on a used car, but made up for that with volume.

    I am what I like to call "the sweet spot". I have rank and seniority and being retired I still have that on a post but none of the responsibility. :)

    So you formnally retired then went back, part-time?

    The company left me alone the first three or four months of my retirement then it was "could you fill in a day here and a day there?" and before long
    it was back to full time again.

    Do you keep your full pension?

    Yep. I'm what I'm calling double-dipping currently. I am working full
    time and still getting retirement. The money I make working goes directly
    into the ban. Someday I may be old and poor and if I'm going to be poor I
    want to make sure I have some money
    Plus I have some investments, etc.

    If you've never failed, you've never tried

    Totally agree!

    As I would expecrt from the mod of a "Memories" echo! *G*

    Boy, its getting deep in here. You've been hanging around with Daryl
    too much. :)
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  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to JOE MACKEY on Tue Nov 23 17:33:00 2021
    Joe,

    Too often kids fresh out of school and a piece of paper with the ink barely dry seem to think they came waltz into some business and be made CEO off the bat.

    They feel they are entitled to it.

    We have a lot of trouble in security with young people wanting a
    cheque but not for any effort given.

    So many today want something for nothing.

    I tell others if I ran the company it would be my policy to hire no
    one under 30.
    By then, hopefully, the people would have some idea of
    responsibility, work ethic, etc.

    Good luck with that.

    I decided not to get rid of my tumor anymore
    I dont know why, i guess it just grew on me.

    ==Groan==

    The beauty in the pun is in the groan of the recipient. <G>

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to JOE MACKEY on Tue Nov 23 17:35:00 2021
    Joe,

    As I would expect from the mod of a "Memories" echo! *G*

    Boy, its getting deep in here. You've been hanging around with
    Daryl too much. :)

    Without people like George and I, the echo would be awfully boring. <BG>

    Daryl

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:135/392 to DARYL STOUT on Wed Nov 24 06:20:44 2021
    Daryl wrote --

    The last night of the event, the security guard at the hotel assaulted our driver,

    Any particular reason?
    Joe
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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:135/392 to DARYL STOUT on Wed Nov 24 06:23:32 2021
    Daryl wrote --

    As I would expect from the mod of a "Memories" echo! *G*

    Boy, its getting deep in here. You've been hanging around with
    Daryl too much. :)

    Without people like George and I, the echo would be awfully boring. <BG>

    That's for sure.
    Joe


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  • From George Pope@1:153/757.2 to Daryl Stout on Wed Nov 24 07:46:42 2021
    Yup, & honesty is more than sipmly "not lying"; if you tell the truth in a way intended to deceive, you're lying! (I'm looking at you, politicians!)

    They wouldn't know the truth if it bit them in their butts.

    They typically find out eventually, & the biter is final election result.

    Several times at restaurants, when I paid in cash (I mainly use the debit card now), if the cashier gave me too much change, I was honest about it. Surprisingly, very few thanked me for the honesty. Most swore that I was
    the one in the wrong, and they even called the manager, who backed them
    up. So, it was "Have It Your Way", whether I was at Burger King or not. <G> They found out I was right when it came time to reconcile the cash drawer.

    Haven't had this; had a time or two when the manager just said keep it; it wasn't worth the effort on his part to correct things.

    If a nanager says this, I thank them. If it's the cashier, I typically bring the extra(if over a couple bucks) back another day to have the manager put it into the till. (they'll usually recall the under recorded that day)

    In any game of shirts vs skins, they want to hear I cheat & cause grievous bodily damage, to get points for my team.

    I haven't heard that term in nearly 50 years.

    Which?

    I recall how, in any lunch hour game in grade 6 & 7, I'd get a voplleyball team together, facing off against the prettiest girls, then holler out, goof & loud, "We're shirts!"; my meaning was quickly figured out -- alas, none of the girls started peeling off their tees; the guys would, hoping their distaff teammates would join in (never happened)

    Other times I hollered "we're shirts," not to be pervy, but because it was cold & wintry outside!

    So many are great winners, but they're sore losers. Yet, they riot and destroy things whether they win or lose, as they don't know how to
    celebrate peacefully, or lose with dignity.

    My city here has a bad habit of that. Twice now our NHL team has made it to the finals, only to lose that game, then there's a huge destructive riot.

    I say, "You don't DESERVE to have a Stanley Cup winning season with behaviour like that!" but thatr paints the good fans with the same brush, so I've stopped saying that.

    One local sysop, nig hockey fan, pointed out that he was happy even with the loss, gfor our team, though not Cup winners, did win the Western Conference -- no small feat.

    Me, I couldn't care any less about who wins what. . . was just happy on the last Vancouver hockey riot they used camera footage to track down & prosecute the rioters.

    One year, I was "Net Control" at the Susan G. Komen Race For The Cure
    for breast cancer research, that was in downtown Little Rock and North Little Rock that year (they still have it, but don't have the ham radio folks for communications anymore). I was getting razzed that "the only reason he took Net Control was so he could look at all the good looking females"...and there were a bunch of good looking women. ;)

    And. . . ? Just shows your intelligence, I'd say. . . :)

    and I wondered "What is a claustrophobic person doing in the midst of
    this crowd of humanity??!!". We had a heck of a time getting the
    paramedics to her, and she was in a bad way. I wanted to tell her
    "Ma'am, next time, just send them the money, and stay home!!".

    No kidding! Yeep!


    Have a most wonderful weekend, my friend!

    Your friend,

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  • From George Pope@1:153/757.2 to JOE MACKEY on Wed Nov 24 07:56:34 2021
    I judge my days three ways:
    A bad day is if I come home with less money than when I left.
    A good day is coming home with the same amount I left with.
    A really good day is coming home with more than I left with.
    (I sometimes find change on the ground to and from work and at work, esp around meters where drop coins and leave them. Sometimes I find only a few cents a week, sometimes nothing and sometimes close to or over a dollar in nickels, dimes and pennies).

    Others think the change not worth bending over for, but look at you: picking up a few extra bucks a month for very little effort.

    My dad, on retirement, would ride his bike up the up-country road, picking up refundable drink containers; he was making about $100 a month which paid for his hobbies & left over enough to support some of my mom's, too!

    Once he saw a pair of jeans -- well run over & weatherbeaten; he rode on past, but around the next corner some thing told him to go back, so he did, checked the pockets & found $300 in cash!

    Broiken, discarded bikes in the ditch, come back later with the truck, bring em home & fix them & give away, or sell cheap, as is to a bike repair shop in town. Either way, net money in his pocket to supplement his retirement income.

    I saw that in action once.
    My then major was calling for a volunteer among five of us. Four of us took a step backward and one found himself front of them. :)

    Problem is; the voluntold one isn't going to speak up for fear of being labelled a wuss, complainer, or reneger, eh?

    Too often kids fresh out of school and a piece of paper with the ink barely dry seem to think they came waltz into some business and be made CEO off the bat.
    We have a lot of trouble in security with young people wanting a cheque but not for any effort given.
    I tell others if I ran the company it would be my policy to hire no one under 30.
    By then, hopefully, the people would have some idea of responsibility, work ethic, etc.

    Too bad that's illegal; I like the concept -- of course, tyhe wy arounmd being accused of age discrimination is to simply say your reason for not hiring is "they don't fit well into our current team dynamic" (i.e.(unstated) current team doesn't cotton well to useless tits.)

    I decided not to get rid of my tumor anymore
    I dont know why, i guess it just grew on me.

    ==Groan==

    I didn't write it, but I was happy to share it! :D

    Your friend,

    <+]:{)}
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  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to JOE MACKEY on Wed Nov 24 09:21:00 2021
    Joe,

    Any particular reason?

    He must've had a burr up his butt.

    It was at a hotel along International Drive in Orlando, one of the main drags down there. It was a double wide drive, with a removable sign that
    noted "STOP!! SECURITY CHECK". I can deal with that, as you have to keep
    the riff-raff out of the hotels.

    But, they knew that the square dance convention was in town, and that shuttle buses were running (dancers purchased a bus pass in advance)
    between the various hotels and the convention center. That way, they
    didn't have to worry about traffic, parking, or weather conditions. The
    buses started running Wednesday afternoon, and ran through Saturday night.

    Our bus got "boxed in" by the sign and the security guard's car behind it...and the traffic on International Drive behind us. The bus driver
    hit the horn...nothing. The driver got off the bus, the guard came out
    of his car, and after a few words, the guard punched the driver in the
    face. The women on the bus started screaming (can you blame them?).

    Another guard pulled the assailant off, and as the bloodied driver
    staggered back to the bus, I stepped off with my ham radio, keyed up
    the local repeater, and announced "QST!! QST!! QST!! Mayday!! Mayday!!
    This is N5VLZ, Portable 4. I have Emergency Traffic!! Can anyone copy??
    Over". There was a massive static crash from a nearby lightning strike...
    so I repeated the distress call.

    As a side note, QST is a "Q signal" for "attention all amateur radio operators", and "Mayday" is the international distress signal, taken
    from the French word meaning "Help Me". N5VLZ was my original ham radio callsign, and I was portable 4...operating away from my home station,
    and in call district 4 (Florida) instead of 5 (Arkansas).

    I repeated the distress call, and a ham in Kissimmee heard me. I told
    him what had happened, and he said he was calling 911. The police, rescue squad, and ambulance arrived. The driver was taken to a local hospital,
    where they had to rebuild his face.

    The case then went to trial over Easter Weekend, and I was subpeonaed
    to show up to testify. The State Of Florida paid the air fare and hotel
    bill, but it was not my idea of a Florida vacation. My last statement
    at the trial, when I said I was "siding with the bus driver" was "We
    had no trouble the first 3 days of the convention. I see no reason why
    I should change my stance now".

    The Angel Of The Lord had to be protecting me, because that guard
    could've shot me dead...and there was a tropical thunderstorm in
    progress, and I could've been hit by lightning for the third time
    in my life.

    They did convict the guard of aggravated assault, a felony...and
    also had a civil suit against the hotel and the security guard company
    (I'm not aware of how those turned out). But, as they put the driver
    in the ambulance, and I got back on the bus, the people said "You saved
    his life", and I replied "This is what amateur radio operators prepare for...emergency communications".

    The church where I was going to was not happy that I was not going
    to be able to take part in their Easter Cantata, and I told them that
    "I'm under subpeona...I have to go, or I go to jail"...adding that
    "sometimes, you have to render to Caesar". They were still angry about
    that, so I quit that church. Sadly, Christians are the only army that
    buries their wounded.

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to George Pope on Wed Nov 24 20:05:00 2021
    George,

    They typically find out eventually, & the biter is final election
    result.

    Unless they steal it...like the editorial cartoon, the folks scanning
    the cemeteries for dead folks to put fake listings on the voter registration rolls. In several areas, I've heard there were more ballots than registered voters...if that's not fraud, I don't know what is.

    Which?

    Shirts versus skins.

    I recall how, in any lunch hour game in grade 6 & 7, I'd get a
    voplleyball team together, facing off against the prettiest girls, then holler out, good & loud, "We're shirts!"; my meaning was quickly
    figured out -- alas, none of the girls started peeling off their tees;
    the guys would, hoping their distaff teammates would join in (never happened)

    There was an R-rated soft porn movie awhile back where two sororoties
    were competing against other for the "stud guys on the football team".
    One was Pi sorority, and the other was named "H.O.T.S." -- the college
    dean said it stood for "Hold On To Sex", but they had a seal mascot,
    and it stood for "Help Out The Seals". <seal yelp of approval <G>>

    Toward the end, they got into a battle of "Strip Football"...where
    one team scored a touchdown, the other had to remove a piece of clothing.
    They didn't show them removing the panties, but they removed everything
    else.

    Other times I hollered "we're shirts," not to be pervy, but because it
    was cold & wintry outside!

    I've heard of folks going commando style in the cold and snow...not sure
    if they're crazy, stupid, or both. You can get pneumonia real quick that
    way.

    My city here has a bad habit of that. Twice now our NHL team has made
    it to the finals, only to lose that game, then there's a huge
    destructive riot.

    Whatever happened to sportsmanship?? It's as if it went the way of the dinosaur.

    I say, "You don't DESERVE to have a Stanley Cup winning season with behaviour like that!" but thatr paints the good fans with the same
    brush, so I've stopped saying that.

    Most folks are just "fair weather fans". When the team is winning, they
    think the coach is the greatest thing since sliced bread. But, if they
    start losing, they want his head on the platter that bread was served on.

    Nowadays, especially in college football, there is such a huge buyout
    (in the millions of dollars), that the "fired coach" probably doesn't care
    if they're giving him the boot...he's becoming a millionaire.

    Me, I couldn't care any less about who wins what. . . was just happy on the last Vancouver hockey riot they used camera footage to track down & prosecute the rioters.

    Good for them.

    And. . . ? Just shows your intelligence, I'd say. . . :)

    With several of them, to quote Richard Pryor in "Silver Streak" when he
    saw Gene Wilder's girl, Jill Clayburgh..."Have Mercy!!" <G>. I think most
    all the cast from that movie is dead and gone now.

    Have a most wonderful weekend, my friend!

    You, too. I don't plan to go out again until Monday. With rain and thunderstorms overnight into Thursday afternoon, then the rush of folks
    heading to the restaurants or shopping, it's a good time to stay home.

    Daryl

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:135/392 to DARYL STOUT on Thu Nov 25 08:02:32 2021
    Daryl wrote --

    noted "STOP!! SECURITY CHECK". I can deal with that, as you have to keep the riff-raff out of the hotels.

    Other than the riff-raff guests?
    I often tell people the reason my building has a security door is to keep
    out the riff-raff "Other than the riff-raff that live there". :)

    hit the horn...nothing. The driver got off the bus, the guard came out
    of his car, and after a few words, the guard punched the driver in the
    face.

    The only time I am allowed to touch someone is if I am physically
    threatened, and they throw the first blow, which has never happened.

    The church where I was going to was not happy that I was not going
    to be able to take part in their Easter Cantata

    I have at times been asked to not sing in a choir. :)
    Joe
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  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to JOE MACKEY on Thu Nov 25 09:12:00 2021
    Joe,

    Other than the riff-raff guests?

    I guess you should keep the riff-raff employees out as well. :P

    I often tell people the reason my building has a security door is to keep out the riff-raff "Other than the riff-raff that live there". :)

    That validates my above comment. <G>

    The only time I am allowed to touch someone is if I am physically threatened, and they throw the first blow, which has never happened.

    Cue the music "I'm about to whoop somebody's @$$". <G>

    I have at times been asked to not sing in a choir. :)

    They wanted you to sing Tenor Solo -- ten or eleven miles away, and
    so low that no one could hear it. <g,d,r>

    Daryl

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  • From George Pope@1:153/757.2 to JOE MACKEY on Fri Nov 26 10:34:04 2021
    One job I had, briefly, was working for a debt collection company.
    They were collecting for a hospital in the Carolina's somewhere. The manager here said to threaten, cajole, intimidate, etc people into paying.
    The one's I spoke were (from their voice only) older poor people, or some single mother with a bunch of kids (fathers probably unknown), etc.
    That lasted about two weeks and it was agreed I was not suited for that job.
    (BTW, that company is no longer in business, at least around here).

    Good riddance to bad rubbish, eh?

    I have never been one to micro-manage people.
    Mostly because I don't like to be treated that way and I don't have the time to do that and my own work.

    My thinking exactly!

    I am not like some managers who send people out to work in the weather while they sit back in a warm comfy office. I'm right out there with them as well.

    As it should be; If I'm shopping & I seew long lines at thetills, but I see managers in their offices, I tend to stop going tthere, but where a nmanager is quick to grab a checkout lane, or a mop, I like to go there.

    It's all about respect. My dad was a corrections officer, in a work camp. He could've say in the truck cozily drinking coffee with the othert guards, but he preferred to grab a chainsaw & join in the day's labour, alongside the cons.

    Kept him physically healthier, gave him a close-eye on the cons to be aware of problems before they hapened, & earned him much respect from the cons. He had far fewer, during his 30 years, of the usual problems the guards dealt with.

    I was into collaborative style of management before I learned there was such a thing! Even if I'm not a manager, I'll lead my workmates from within to ensure none of us look bad on the stats.

    I get a print out each day of what has been done, which includes the time it was done.
    I don't pay a lot of attention to the amount of work done and times that go up and down. They could be busy doing something else, assisting someone, etc.
    But when the graph goes down, down, down on a steady basis, then its time for a talk.

    Nice way to do it & quite simply & effectively.

    Makes sense, but I guess with new, you get a huge list of extras you can add on for bigger commissions, eh, as well as the higher sale price.

    I made slightly less on a used car, but made up for that with volume.

    I picked this up in sales, quite naturally -- the money's in volume; since learned it's an old success tool. I forget which corporate giant said he'd rather sell 100 $10 items than 1 $1,000 item.

    So you formnally retired then went back, part-time?

    The company left me alone the first three or four months of my retirement then it was "could you fill in a day here and a day there?" and before long it was back to full time again.

    You're on the payroll, or they pay you cash per requested shift?

    Do you keep your full pension?

    Yep. I'm what I'm calling double-dipping currently. I am working full time and still getting retirement. The money I make working goes directly into the ban. Someday I may be old and poor and if I'm going to be poor I want to make sure I have some money

    :D Nice. Do they automatically stop deducting for SSN or do you still pay at the same rate as everyone else?

    We have Emplyment Insuranmce up here you pay into from each paycheque.

    If you make it to age 65 without having ever made a claim, you get a nice lump sum payout(not 100%, I think).

    Plus I have some investments, etc.

    I've just begun suchj; mostly jusat learning & playing. Had one I got for $100/1M sares tank to zero value for a couple years, hen soar to $6/share, & I had srtoped checking on it by then, believing it to be utterly dead, & missed out on a nice payday! (it's tanked again, but I check every so often now); when it was still $0.20/share, I sold some & invested in other stocks I heardtell of, & they're holding moderately strong still)

    The first was a US pharmaceutical chain investing in Cannabis farms, now I'm into some Canadian gold mining, too. . .

    If you've never failed, you've never tried

    Totally agree!

    As I would expecrt from the mod of a "Memories" echo! *G*

    Boy, its getting deep in here. You've been hanging around with Daryl
    too much. :)

    Is he in the Mutual Admiration Society, too?

    As to hanging with Daryl -- he started it!

    Your friend,

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  • From George Pope@1:153/757.2 to Daryl Stout on Fri Nov 26 10:54:30 2021
    Unless they steal it...like the editorial cartoon, the folks scanning
    the cemeteries for dead folks to put fake listings on the voter registration rolls. In several areas, I've heard there were more ballots than registered voters...if that's not fraud, I don't know what is.

    Been on shortage of examples, but nothing becomes of it. The people just don't CARE. :(

    I've heard of folks going commando style in the cold and snow...not sure if they're crazy, stupid, or both. You can get pneumonia real quick that way.

    Us Canadians take pride in peeling out the shorts & tees as early as possible after winter.

    I think it's just to scare the US generals doing logistics for an eventual invasion of Canada, to show that it'd be as much folly for them as it was for Hitler & Napoleon to invade Russia.

    I know most Americans wouldn't be for such an invasion, but the billionaires are drooling at all the natural resources we have!

    Whatever happened to sportsmanship?? It's as if it went the way of the dinosaur.

    & Common Sense :(

    Most folks are just "fair weather fans". When the team is winning, they think the coach is the greatest thing since sliced bread. But, if they
    start losing, they want his head on the platter that bread was served on.

    Like those wgho pray for their team to win, not understanding that the other team's fans aredoing the same for theirs to win, & that the God of fairness is just going to sit back & let the best-trained team do what it trained for.

    One time a guy asked their clergyman if the other teanm's vicar's big prayer would help & he replied, "Only if the QB doesn't screw up his passes."

    Nowadays, especially in college football, there is such a huge buyout
    (in the millions of dollars), that the "fired coach" probably doesn't care if they're giving him the boot...he's becoming a millionaire.

    The glden paracguyte is stupid. It exists in government, too.

    A guy gets laid oiff his manager position, gets $300,000, then geyts signed up for another such position, at $400K/year, & a $500K parachute.

    Cronyism at its worst! Or they have 2 public positions each earning 6 figures, simultaneously.

    Have a most wonderful weekend, my friend!

    You, too. I don't plan to go out again until Monday. With rain and thunderstorms overnight into Thursday afternoon, then the rush of folks heading to the restaurants or shopping, it's a good time to stay home.

    We're due our second monsoon this weekend, so I'm going to enjoy being holed up,. eating turkey! (Finally found a bird at my butcher, he knocked $30 off the price for me, so we could finally afford one first time all year --we've been craving it -- we'll have a full turkey feast tonight)

    The entire Fraser River's valley's flood plains are flooded(hmm. . . something in that name), except for my city (we're the only ones, even though 2 feet below sea level, to be above water all week! Good city council ordering work on the dikes recently, & upgrades to the pumps, & staff for getting it all done!)


    Your friend,

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to George Pope on Sat Nov 27 01:36:00 2021
    George,

    Us Canadians take pride in peeling out the shorts & tees as early as possible after winter.

    In south Florida, if the temperature gets below 70, the winter gear is
    out in force. <G>

    Like those who pray for their team to win, not understanding that the other team's fans aredoing the same for theirs to win, & that the God
    of fairness is just going to sit back & let the best-trained team do
    what it trained for.

    Yep. And the one who prepared and practiced the best, and "finishes" their assignments, will win the game. But, you have to play the entire game...as things have happened on the final play of the game. The perfect example was
    the Auburn-Alabama Iron Bowl a few years ago, dubbed "The Kick Six". Alabama had one second left on the clock, and was going to kick a long field goal to win. The kick was short, and the Auburn player caught it in the end zone. Before Alabama realized what happened, the Auburn player ran it back 100
    yards for the winning touchdown.

    One time a guy asked their clergyman if the other teanm's vicar's big prayer would help & he replied, "Only if the QB doesn't screw up his passes."

    Or when the coach asked the quarterback if he could pass a football,
    the kid groaned "Only if I can swallow it". :P

    Cronyism at its worst! Or they have 2 public positions each earning 6 figures, simultaneously.

    And, they wonder why we're so in debt.

    We're due our second monsoon this weekend, so I'm going to enjoy being holed up,. eating turkey! (Finally found a bird at my butcher, he
    knocked $30 off the price for me, so we could finally afford one first time all year --we've been craving it -- we'll have a full turkey feast tonight)

    I talked to a couple of fellow ham radio operators, and they said they
    were having lasagna. I immediately drooled all over the keyboard. :P

    The entire Fraser River's valley's flood plains are flooded(hmm. . . something in that name), except for my city (we're the only ones, even though 2 feet below sea level, to be above water all week! Good city council ordering work on the dikes recently, & upgrades to the pumps, & staff for getting it all done!)

    I talked to a couple of hams in western Canada, and they reported on
    how bad it was.

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to George Pope on Sat Nov 27 01:52:00 2021
    George,

    As to hanging with Daryl -- he started it!

    But, I got you to join the echo. <G>

    Daryl

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:135/392 to GEORGE POPE on Sat Nov 27 06:27:42 2021
    Cyberpope wrote --

    I am not like some managers who send people out to work in the weather while they sit back in a warm comfy office. I'm right out there with them as well.

    As it should be

    I recall when I first started in parking, in 2002, I had a sergeant as
    my super. (Remember, I was working for a large security company and
    contracted to the university). It was in mid January and my super gave me one hour
    of inside training (going over th
    I found out later the "important" work she had to was playing games on
    her computer.
    She would only go out when the weather was nice, in the 65-78 range and sunny. Even then it was only for an hour or so.
    One day the chief of police was in our office "suggesting" Debbie go out
    and ticket. She replied she would and kept on playing. He told her a
    couple of more times she should do something, each time more sternly.
    She finally grabbed a ticket book, stomped out and returned an hour
    later and back to her games.
    She is the one I replaced and few were sorry to see her leave.

    It's all about respect.

    Yep.

    Kept him physically healthier, gave him a close-eye on the cons to be aware of problems before they hapened,

    I feel the same way. Being out in the field I have a good idea what's
    going on in general.

    I forget which corporate giant said he'd rather sell 100 $10 items than 1 $1,000 item.

    Old Henry Ford was like that with his Model T. While some long gone companies were happy selling a handful of expensive cars, he made money (and stayed in business) selling lots of less expensive ones.

    You're on the payroll, or they pay you cash per requested shift?

    I'm on the payroll.
    My company used temps at one time when lots of people needed for a
    special event. They were paid cash for the time they worked, with paperwork they signed they would pay the taxes due. Then it was up to them to report those earnings, with a copy of the
    No idea how that worked out, but the boss was covered. :)

    Do they automatically stop deducting for SSN or do you still pay at the same rate as everyone else?

    Yep. Federal/state taxes, city user fee (actually a tax for working in
    the city, just not called a tax), unemployment, SS, and the list goes on.

    We have Emplyment Insuranmce up here you pay into from each paycheque.

    If you make it to age 65 without having ever made a claim, you get a nice lump sum payout(not 100%, I think).

    No such things here I'm aware of. When one retires the state keeps the money.

    Plus I have some investments, etc.

    I've just begun suchj; mostly jusat learning & playing.

    I don't have a lot invested and frankly don't recall what the money is
    in. Half is in bonds. Pays little but safe, and half is in the market.
    In early 2020 with lockdowns and all, that was wiped out, but recovered a
    few months later.
    One has to be in for the long haul and not get jumpy when the market goes
    up and down like it does. Just hang on and enjoy the roller coaster ride.
    :)

    Boy, its getting deep in here. You've been hanging around with Daryl too much. :)

    Is he in the Mutual Admiration Society, too?

    More of the Suck up to the Mod Society. :)

    As to hanging with Daryl -- he started it!

    As he usually does. :)
    In May and June 2019 I took a six week vacation and traveled around the country seeing things and visiting friends. One of the people I visited was Daryl.
    I found it humourous when telling people here I was going to visit some people I only knew on line. They reacted like the online people where all ax murderers or something. :)
    (Why anyone would murder an ax is beyond me).
    Joe

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:135/392 to GEORGE POPE on Sat Nov 27 06:45:18 2021
    Cyberpope wrote to Daryl --

    Us Canadians take pride in peeling out the shorts & tees as early as possible after winter.

    I think it's just to scare the US generals doing logistics for an eventual invasion of Canada

    Hmmm. Might be easy to invade and conquer a country of half dressed
    people in the cold, as they shiver and shake....

    Like those wgho pray for their team to win, not understanding that the other team's fans aredoing the same for theirs to win, & that the God of fairness is just going to sit back & let the best-trained team do what it trained for.

    Reminds me of a meme where people are praying for their team to win and
    Jesus is watching a hockey game on tv. :)

    below sea level, to be above water all week! Good city council ordering work on the dikes recently, & upgrades to the pumps, & staff for getting it all done!)

    Stay dry.
    Joe
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  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to JOE MACKEY on Sat Nov 27 13:00:00 2021
    Joe,

    I found out later the "important" work she had to was playing games
    on her computer.
    She would only go out when the weather was nice, in the 65-78 range
    and sunny. Even then it was only for an hour or so.

    Sounds like "a fair weather worker". :P

    One day the chief of police was in our office "suggesting" Debbie go out and ticket. She replied she would and kept on playing. He told
    her a couple of more times she should do something, each time more sternly.
    She finally grabbed a ticket book, stomped out and returned an hour later and back to her games.

    They should've swapped out her phone or battery. :P

    She is the one I replaced and few were sorry to see her leave.

    You can go home and play all the games you want...you're fired. :P

    I don't have a lot invested and frankly don't recall what the money
    is in. Half is in bonds. Pays little but safe, and half is in the market.

    You'd do better with Monopoly money. :P

    One has to be in for the long haul and not get jumpy when the market goes up and down like it does. Just hang on and enjoy the roller
    coaster ride. :)

    I'd rather be on the Merry Go Round...but then I'd be worried about being overtaken by the horse behind me. <G>

    More of the Suck up to the Mod Society. :)

    Got to refine my groveling technique. <G>

    As to hanging with Daryl -- he started it!

    As he usually does. :)

    At least you give credit where it's due. <BG>

    In May and June 2019 I took a six week vacation and traveled around
    the country seeing things and visiting friends. One of the people I visited was Daryl.
    I found it humourous when telling people here I was going to visit
    some people I only knew on line. They reacted like the online people where all ax murderers or something. :)

    Besides, I bought lunch...but you got lost on the way to the feeding
    trough.

    (Why anyone would murder an ax is beyond me).

    Someone should've told that to Lizzie Borden. <G>

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to JOE MACKEY on Sat Nov 27 13:01:00 2021
    Joe,

    Reminds me of a meme where people are praying for their team to win
    and Jesus is watching a hockey game on tv. :)

    I was watching a fight, and a hockey game broke out. <G>

    Daryl

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  • From George Pope@1:153/757.2 to Daryl Stout on Sun Nov 28 10:24:48 2021
    Us Canadians take pride in peeling out the shorts & tees as early as possible after winter.

    In south Florida, if the temperature gets below 70, the winter gear is
    out in force. <G>

    I've heard of that effect -- Context is everything!

    I prefer 80F+ all 4 seasons. Was grand when Iu hads heart inckluyded in my lasdt apt -- kept it at 25C (80F) all the time; come home from a crazy windy,. rtainy evening, & enter the tropical zone for a nice hot toddy to warm up my innards, too.

    I kind of invcented my own simple/easy hot toddy, to get the job done as quickly as possible while allowing me to indulge my innate laziness (I'm not lazy. . .I'm "efficient" (intelligent laziness!)

    Yep. And the one who prepared and practiced the best, and "finishes" their assignments, will win the game. But, you have to play the entire game...as things have happened on the final play of the game. The perfect example was the Auburn-Alabama Iron Bowl a few years ago, dubbed "The Kick Six". Alabama had one second left on the clock, and was going to kick a long field goal to win. The kick was short, and the Auburn player caught it in the end zone. Before Alabama realized what happened, the Auburn player ran it back 100 yards for the winning touchdown.

    oooo -- I bet someone's captain got in trouble!

    We've had similar things in hockey -- 6 players on the ice per team.
    Sometimes, in a last period hail mary, they'll pull the goalie & replace him with a 3rd Forward, which is fine, if the defense duo can do their job in case we lose the puck on the offense.

    Or when the coach asked the quarterback if he could pass a football,
    the kid groaned "Only if I can swallow it". :P

    Fair response.

    Cronyism at its worst! Or they have 2 public positions each earning 6 figures, simultaneously.

    And, they wonder why we're so in debt.

    Yup,. but I think your country it's more the billion dollar transfers from the taxcpayoers to the billionaires. (through insane Defense contracts, including $30,000 screwdrivers that I bet were just bought at Wal-Mart or a dollar store)

    Up here, a few years back, it was 7-figure advertising contracts given to cronies(campaign donors), who then outsourced the jobs for $10K each & pocketed the difference) Ad-Scam, it was known as. . . (you guys might've called the same event Ad-Gate)


    I talked to a couple of fellow ham radio operators, and they said they were having lasagna. I immediately drooled all over the keyboard. :P

    mmmm, lasagna -- I've always loved that!

    Used to make it for my brother & me when he was living here; one day my mom calls me while he was up there, to ask me how I made mine, as my brother kept telling her mine was better, even after she doubled the cheese. I just said I used the same baes recipe she did, but doubled the meat & trebled the cheese.)

    Of course, my brother had no business criticising a free meal! But he was still maturing/growing. . .

    I talked to a couple of hams in western Canada, and they reported on
    how bad it was.

    Seems somewhat better this time around, except on Vancouver Island, where it's worse (that's our buffer here on south coast Mainland)

    Reminds me -- I should call my volunteer boss over there, check on him. . .

    Your friend,

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  • From George Pope@1:153/757.2 to Daryl Stout on Sun Nov 28 10:38:34 2021
    As to hanging with Daryl -- he started it!

    But, I got you to join the echo. <G>

    I joined on my own(I recalled this echo fondly enough from my previous years in Fido) then saw you were in here, too. . . ;)


    Your friend,

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  • From George Pope@1:153/757.2 to JOE MACKEY on Sun Nov 28 12:01:51 2021
    I recall when I first started in parking, in 2002, I had a sergeant as
    my super. (Remember, I was working for a large security company and contracted to the university). It was in mid January and my super gave me one hour
    of inside training (going over th
    I found out later the "important" work she had to was playing games on her computer.
    She would only go out when the weather was nice, in the 65-78 range and sunny. Even then it was only for an hour or so.
    One day the chief of police was in our office "suggesting" Debbie go out and ticket. She replied she would and kept on playing. He told her a couple of more times she should do something, each time more sternly.
    She finally grabbed a ticket book, stomped out and returned an hour
    later and back to her games.
    She is the one I replaced and few were sorry to see her leave.

    I've been lucky to not have a boss like this; well, had one who liked the bottle, my boss said, but she was generally able to answer the phone overrnight, which few were willing to do.

    This was when I learned there can be a difference in sexes as managers. I've hgad many male managers who always respected & appreciated me. If I screwed up, as can happen, they'd chuckle, point it out & that's the end of it, & never would I repeat it.

    She, however, with me was fine, mostly a flirt. But another guy, highest in seviority & a good mnonewty earner for our company, as he communicated well with our Chilean partners, & kept them on board. Our big boss'(owner) rule always is we do things as we find comfortable & effective, like how we answer the phone; she dfecided we should all answer a cerrtyain, extended way; I pers9nally foujnd ity srtuy7pid, as people are caling with medical urgencies; I typically answered with conmpany name & "George speaking" (the minimum for courtesy); I adjusted to here 'paragraph' because I didn't really care that much, & it seemed importtan to her to be able to flex muscle as an operations manager. The other guy(far senior to anybody else save the big boss), though, he dug his heels in, & refused to "comply."

    She ended up firing him over it; big boss had already promised he'd never interfere with her decisions as OM.

    I had a job where I missed two shifts in a row(same day) because I got drunk & pasrtied with some girls & my boss just told me to cash out & he paid me for my full 12 hours!

    She would've likely fired me, & then been scrambling to fill shifts daily ever after. My boss, who was owner, understood my value in being there opening to closing 6 days a week, & my being cross-trained & well-practiced for every role.

    This OM, now long gone, went with emotion over calculation, to the tune of a loss of thousands, maybe even as much as $100K or more by now.

    The big boss pointed out an error I made that put a $200K contract at risk, wshen I was still wet behind the ears in the job, & upon my profession of "it'd never happen again," was happy, as he knew I'd learned what I needed to. It was still up in the air if we'd keep that contract (we did).

    I mistakenly mentioned a 3rd party we outsourced a job to. (giving our principal a thought, possibly, that what do they need us for, when they can skip up a level & save one middleman's markup)

    My primary job now is finding doctors who we can directly contact, thus we can stop paying middlemen their markups & fees. I'm doing well enough, negotiating terms favorable to us, then if they're happy to, locking us into a working agreement type contract. If they want a signature, I, by courtesy, pass it up to my boss (the GM); I organise GM to GM/owner conferences, too, & am usually copied in for info on the discussion & final terms.

    Especially with Japan, I'm not going to insulty an owner or higher management by engaging in a serious conversaruion/negotiation, especially as my initial signature ID'ed me as an assistant manager.

    I tutored my boss on these intricacies of culture for the Japanese businessman, & he plays his role correctly.

    It's all about respect.

    Yep.

    Sad that it's mostly a memory, now, except for our own practice of such, of course. . . :(

    Kept him physically healthier, gave him a close-eye on the cons to be aware of problems before they hapened,

    I feel the same way. Being out in the field I have a good idea what's going on in general.

    Even if you're not officially in charge, you know it'll make your job easier in the long run, eh?

    Old Henry Ford was like that with his Model T. While some long gone companies were happy selling a handful of expensive cars, he made money (and stayed in business) selling lots of less expensive ones.

    The thing Ui remember best of him is how his goal in choosing a pay rate for his workers was so every one there could afford to look after their home/family AND buy a Ford car. & the rest, as they say, was history. . .

    Funnily enough, with his & Sam Walton's examples before them, the corporate world is now all about quick & easy maximum revenue, no matter the longterm cost.

    Ford & Walton were tyghinknig in terns of their grandchildren & beyond, not only to the next quarterly report & a blip in the profits they've cashed in on to the tune of 7+ figures.

    I'm on the payroll.

    I could do it either way, but I appreciate the convenience of the deductions being done for me. Then my wife does our return each ytear getting 100% of it back, plus an extra $1K(incentivization bonus) for my working, in spite of having a disability.

    My company used temps at one time when lots of people needed for a special event. They were paid cash for the time they worked, with paperwork they signed they would pay the taxes due. Then it was up to them to report those earnings, with a copy of the
    No idea how that worked out, but the boss was covered. :)

    Yup, that's CYA in actuion; likely saved ghimn a bunch, too, in employer contributions (do you have that in your SS pension or other things)

    We have our national pension (CPP) plus Employment Insurance (EI, formerly UI) that both employee & employer contribute to.

    Some guys are collecting welfare or EI & like under the table cash jobs (fraud by any other nmame) at the same time.

    Welfare Cheats & Pogie Cheats--both get caught eventually as every bank account is opened with a SIN (equiv. to your SSN) giving goverbment top access to info they are permittred, by law (signing to request assistance includes "I allow the government to check on these statements/details, /by any means/"

    I actually know several ways I can bypass all this & double dip easily, but I don't/won't, so I just keep the details quiet, as I don't want to encourage/tempt others.

    I've met enough characters in my traveling(hitching) years to have learned a lot of tidbits on many a topic! But also met a like number of people who, by virtue of who they were, taught me virtue, too. (NPI)

    Do they automatically stop deducting for SSN or do you still pay at the same rate as everyone else?

    Yep. Federal/state taxes, city user fee (actually a tax for working in the city, just not called a tax), unemployment, SS, and the list goes on.

    So you get taxed by akll 3 levels of goverbment?! I'm trying to get it so my city can raise money by taxes other than property & gas, as is allowed in our Constitution. (our federal evel is not allowed to raise money by income taxes nor sales ta=xes,. yet does both with impunity, & even the Supreme Court cooperates in the scam)



    We have Emplyment Insurance up here you pay into from each paycheque.

    If you make it to age 65 without having ever made a claim, you get a nice lump sum payout(not 100%, I think).

    No such things here I'm aware of. When one retires the state keeps the money.

    I don't have a lot invested and frankly don't recall what the money is
    in. Half is in bonds. Pays little but safe, and half is in the market.

    Mutual Funds via your bank?


    In early 2020 with lockdowns and all, that was wiped out, but recovered a few months later.
    One has to be in for the long haul and not get jumpy when the market goes up and down like it does. Just hang on and enjoy the roller coaster ride. :)

    That's my understabnding, & per a fiend who is going grewat guns, began with buying US properties for taxes, fixing them up & renting to the government for Section-8 housing, or selling in bulk. He's puit some money into stocks & they've done well.

    He uses Warren Buffet as his adsvisor & iomitates what Warren does. Warren says when you get a big gain, cash out 90% & it;'s your money, reinvest, or leave the other 10% gains. If you reinvest some of the 90%, then count it as a new investment, out of money you've earned (it's not "free money")

    He's in gold, too, likewise on Buffet's example. . .

    Boy, its getting deep in here. You've been hanging around with Daryl too much. :)

    Is he in the Mutual Admiration Society, too?

    More of the Suck up to the Mod Society. :)

    I never suck up to anyone (on purpose, &/or knowingly)

    If you get praise from me, it's sincere.

    In May and June 2019 I took a six week vacation and traveled around the country seeing things and visiting friends. One of the people I visited was Daryl.
    I found it humourous when telling people here I was going to visit some people I only knew on line. They reacted like the online people where all ax murderers or something. :)

    IKR? I get that from people, too. ("They asren't real, you know, & you now nothing about them"); I can't just reply, "I know some better than you & trust them more." as that would be impolite.

    (Why anyone would murder an ax is beyond me).

    I've never got that either. . .

    I've used a few axes in my day; I got nothing but respect & appreciation for them! (I just haver to picture hauling an unsplit 20" chunk of trunk through the woods to the truck to reaffirm this--much better to have 8 sections I can huckj ahead of me in relays, to save walking/tripping while burdened amongst old growth roots & undergrowth. Somne times my dad went deep to get the wood he wanted, & I had a liong way to haul the wood he cut(chainsaw) & sectioned.

    He had a license to take all the deadwood & alder he wanted for free from any undevelloped provincial land; keupt us in firewood & provided him lots to sell by the truckload(Ford F150) for additional funds for the family's needs.

    This was my model -- he'd work a 3rd job before my mom had to work one.

    Makes me rather contemptuous of this generation who might brag they took a job to save their wife takling a 4th. (not sure what they think they're doing, but bragging sure ain't it)

    But I'm just the old fuddy duddyt who has no clue how things workm intoday's world. I do & that's the sad thing. . . because I know better, but nobody cares to hear it -- I'n sure you've had the same problem, almost 20 years longer than I have!

    Nice tyhing about this echo is we can chat like this, preaching to the choir & the rare new gen who wants to, can read & be inspired by our war stories :D

    (We can only hope)

    Overall, I stopped getting mad about it, now I just gets sad & feel bad they missed out on the great parenting I had! (no-nonsense, no BS & to-the-point)

    B'regards,

    /George

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  • From George Pope@1:153/757.2 to JOE MACKEY on Sun Nov 28 12:16:56 2021
    Us Canadians take pride in peeling out the shorts & tees as early as possible after winter.
    I think it's just to scare the US generals doing logistics for an eventual invasion of Canada

    Hmmm. Might be easy to invade and conquer a country of half dressed people in the cold, as they shiver and shake....

    Nah, half of us are doing perfectly fine like that, & the rest can be fully dressed in short time. . .

    We're not all armred -- very few are, but we have tough militias practicing regularly for any need. (I start to think, "cool!" then I remember reading Orwell's "Animal Farm"(on my own--it's been out of the curriculum since before I was born)

    Like those wgho pray for their team to win, not understanding that the other team's fans aredoing the same for theirs to win, & that the God of fairness is just going to sit back & let the best-trained team do what it trained for.

    Reminds me of a meme where people are praying for their team to win and Jesus is watching a hockey game on tv. :)

    I've sesen that one -- I think they're praying for football?

    I think it's originally a Canadian editorial cartoon. . .

    below sea level, to be above water all week! Good city council ordering work on the dikes recently, & upgrades to the pumps, & staff for getting it all done!)

    Stay dry.

    Like I say, "The good Lord willing, & the creek don't rise."

    I've done all I can do -- my family has enough supplies to ride thigs out for a while, & some cash reserves, in case we need to order groceries by delivery after then.

    Every time I hear a pol or talking head say, "climate change" I yell at the TV: "It's called weather, ya dummy!"; I amuse my kids in how I coment on ads & other BS nmy tTVtries to feed me.

    Little do they know, I just want them to be able to see how I identify lies & employ critical thinking, since they won't learn this in school.

    My dad expected me to follow the orders at school, but also to think for myself in interpreting what I learn. My mom was less cynical & questioning, but I am glad to have a balance of both -- I can enjoy the good things, while being aware of life's pitfalls.

    Of course, in the 30+ years since I left hjome at age 12, I've gone far beyond their teachings in both categories.

    I like getting my information from the horse's mouth, not the other end. & I like that I can tell when the old switcheroo has been done & what's coming out of a mouth was born at the other end!

    Can't teach this, I'm sure, or if one can, I've no clue how to begin. . .




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  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to George Pope on Sun Nov 28 18:19:00 2021
    George,

    In south Florida, if the temperature gets below 70, the winter gear is
    out in force. <G>

    I've heard of that effect -- Context is everything!

    I have to wonder what nudist colonies do with temperature changes. <G>
    I think of one cartoon where Sylvester is trying to get "this helpless
    little bird", but in reality, he was "about as helpless as a porcupine
    in a nudist colony". <G>

    I prefer 80F+ all 4 seasons. Was grand when Iu hads heart inckluyded in
    my lasdt apt -- kept it at 25C (80F) all the time; come home from a
    crazy windy,. rtainy evening, & enter the tropical zone for a nice hot toddy to warm up my innards, too.

    My brother prefers that as well. The cold weather does make the arthritis hurt more...but it means no heat illness, no insects, and no tornadoes.

    (I'm not lazy. . .I'm "efficient" (intelligent laziness!)

    My first ham radio callsign was N5VLZ -- one said the suffix stood for
    "Very Lazy". <G>

    oooo -- I bet someone's captain got in trouble!

    It was the last play of the game, and they were not aware of what was going on.

    Yup,. but I think your country it's more the billion dollar transfers
    from the taxcpayoers to the billionaires. (through insane Defense contracts, including $30,000 screwdrivers that I bet were just bought
    at Wal-Mart or a dollar store)

    And we thought the $600 toilet seats were expensive. I guess that's the
    cost of the plungers now.

    mmmm, lasagna -- I've always loved that!

    They just addressed that topic on the Young Operators Digital Voice Net... what is your favorite Thanksgiving Food. It wasn't always turkey and all
    the trimmings.

    Daryl

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  • From George Pope@1:153/757.2 to Daryl Stout on Mon Nov 29 12:06:54 2021
    I have to wonder what nudist colonies do with temperature changes. <G>
    I think of one cartoon where Sylvester is trying to get "this helpless little bird", but in reality, he was "about as helpless as a porcupine
    in a nudist colony". <G>

    I think they tend to live indoors & have a large remote, property to go out nude when the wearther permits. In Florida, of course, that's pretty much year-round -- in Canada, it's 1-3 days/year in some places. . .

    We had a nude beach here in Vamcouver I visuited a few times as a teen -- it's gone now, out of flagging interest, & police(in uniform) presence (cracking down on drugs(before cannabis was federally legalised), fires, selling)

    I prefer 80F+ all 4 seasons. Was grand when Iu hads heart inckluyded in my lasdt apt -- kept it at 25C (80F) all the time; come home from a crazy windy,. rtainy evening, & enter the tropical zone for a nice hot toddy to warm up my innards, too.

    My brother prefers that as well. The cold weather does make the arthritis hurt more...but it means no heat illness, no insects, and no tornadoes.

    You'd thin, but Vancouver airport had a tornado recently! I'd never thought it was possible, as we are the opposite of the terrain & Latitude they seem to prefer. . .

    Seemed to be a smaller affair than Tornado Alley reguilarly sees, as do our Prairie provinces.

    I'd probably describe it as an especially large dust devil, not a tornado. . . :)

    But I'm no meteorologist, I'm just a wordsmith.

    I'm starting to write a book about a tornado disaster
    It's just a draft at the moment.

    What did the windmill say to the tornado?
    "Honestly, I'm a big fan!"

    Q: What do you say if a tornado blows off 25% of your roof?
    A: Oof

    Did you hear about the boarding house that was hit by a tornado?
    Roomers were flying.

    I am trying to get tornado insurance for my campsite, but the companies keep denying my application.
    They told me, “If your tent gets blown away, you won’t be covered.”

    Did you hear about the tornado in southern USA that was swallowing everything in its path?
    It was called the VoreTex-Us.

    Did you guys hear about the tornado that hit a cheese shop recently?
    Da brie was everywhere

    My wife made a tornado for dinner.
    She was cooking up a storm.


    (I'm not lazy. . .I'm "efficient" (intelligent laziness!)

    My first ham radio callsign was N5VLZ -- one said the suffix stood for "Very Lazy". <G>

    oooo -- I bet someone's captain got in trouble!

    It was the last play of the game, and they were not aware of what was going on.

    Yup,. but I think your country it's more the billion dollar transfers from the taxcpayoers to the billionaires. (through insane Defense contracts, including $30,000 screwdrivers that I bet were just bought at Wal-Mart or a dollar store)

    And we thought the $600 toilet seats were expensive. I guess that's the cost of the plungers now.

    mmmm, lasagna -- I've always loved that!

    They just addressed that topic on the Young Operators Digital Voice Net... what is your favorite Thanksgiving Food. It wasn't always turkey and all
    the trimmings.

    Daryl

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  • From George Pope@1:153/757.2 to Daryl Stout on Mon Nov 29 12:09:03 2021
    George,

    As to hanging with Daryl -- he started it!

    But, I got you to join the echo. <G>

    I joined on my own(I recalled this echo fondly enough from my previous years in Fido) then saw you were in here, too. . . ;)

    We've got to quit meeting like this...folks are going to talk. <G>

    There's a dark painful cave in Hell for the gossips & rumormongers!

    You hear the gossip about butter?
    Actually I’m not gonna spread it

    At the company picnic, my co-worker said he had some juicy gossip. He loaded up his plate but tripped on the way to my table...
    He spilled the beans!

    Oops, not in FUNNY, sorry, Joe. . . :)

    Your friend,

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to George Pope on Mon Nov 29 16:22:00 2021
    George,

    There's a dark painful cave in Hell for the gossips & rumormongers!

    There was a song done by the Gaither Vocal Band years ago, that noted:

    "If it can be twisted, you can be sure that it will. As, there ain't
    nothin' sacred...at The Rumor Mill".

    You hear the gossip about butter?
    Actually I’m not gonna spread it

    I don't spread gossip, so you better listen close the first time.

    At the company picnic, my co-worker said he had some juicy gossip. He loaded up his plate but tripped on the way to my table...
    He spilled the beans!

    He should've used Chinet plates. :P Seriously, some of those paper
    plates are extremely flimsy.

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to George Pope on Mon Nov 29 16:27:00 2021
    George,

    I think they tend to live indoors & have a large remote, property to go out nude when the wearther permits. In Florida, of course, that's
    pretty much year-round -- in Canada, it's 1-3 days/year in some places.
    . .

    In parts of the world, especially Europe, they're blase' about nudity.
    Just like the medical professionals, it means nothing to them. But, I
    heard of one nudist colony who had a sign that noted "Clothed For The
    Winter". <G>

    We had a nude beach here in Vancouver I visiited a few times as a teen
    -- it's gone now, out of flagging interest, & police(in uniform)
    presence (cracking down on drugs(before cannabis was federally
    legalised), fires, selling)

    There was a postcard from Miami Beach many years ago, showing the nude
    back sides of a young boy and girl. In front of them is a police officer,
    next to a sign noting "Propert Attire Must Be Worn On The Beach". The
    boy and girl (naked as jaybirds, the same from the back, except for the
    length of their hair) are pleading with the police officer not to write
    them a ticket.

    In much of the art world then and now, many paintings, statues, and
    now videos, are done with what they consider "artistic nudity". I set
    up a bulletin on the BBS, with the differences between nudity and
    pornography (the sex act outside of the marriage relationship between
    a man and a woman). It also dealt with things like breast feeding,
    personal hygiene, and other topics. Years ago, people would talk about
    their bowel and bladder habits, and not say a word about sex. Now, it's
    the other way around.

    You'd think, but Vancouver airport had a tornado recently! I'd never thought it was possible, as we are the opposite of the terrain &
    Latitude they seem to prefer. . .

    There were at least 3 tornadoes in Connecticut recently. Except for Antarctica, every continent has seen tornadoes. Tornado Alley and
    Dixie Alley in the USA get the most of them. I'm concerned that with
    La Nina in place, if we get cold, snow, and ice in December (the first
    day of Meteorological Winter is December 1)...that could lead to an
    early and extended tornado season in 2022.

    I'd probably describe it as an especially large dust devil, not a
    tornado. . . :)

    The dust devils usually form on hot, dry days...but if you get caught
    in one, it's like being sandblasted...never mind all the prickly sandspurs being tossed about.

    But I'm no meteorologist, I'm just a wordsmith.

    I'm not a meteorologist, but an amateur weather enthusiast. However, I
    know enough to be dangerous...and I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express
    last night. <G>

    I'm starting to write a book about a tornado disaster
    It's just a draft at the moment.

    Never mind the game Twister.

    What did the windmill say to the tornado?
    "Honestly, I'm a big fan!"

    The tornado doesn't have to stop for red lights...it'll take them
    and anything in its way, OUT.

    Q: What do you say if a tornado blows off 25% of your roof?
    A: Oof

    Not the way to get a sun roof.

    Did you hear about the boarding house that was hit by a tornado?
    Roomers were flying.

    Some have been picked up and tossed by tornadoes, and have been
    seriously injured or killed, while others get off with a few
    scratches.

    I am trying to get tornado insurance for my campsite, but the companies keep denying my application.
    They told me, “If your tent gets blown away, you won’t be covered.”

    So, what else is nude??

    Did you hear about the tornado in southern USA that was swallowing everything in its path?
    It was called the VoreTex-Us.

    They probably thought that of the one on May 3, 1999 that was measured
    with 318 mph winds in the Oklahoma City area, with the Doppler On Wheels.
    I saw a tagline that noted "Oklahoma: Our Tornadoes Go To F-6".

    Did you guys hear about the tornado that hit a cheese shop recently?
    Da brie was everywhere

    You know you've been a storm chaser too much, when you look for cows
    with tornadoes (you've also watched Twister too much).

    My wife made a tornado for dinner.
    She was cooking up a storm.

    It probably blew your hunger away.

    Daryl

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  • From George Pope@1:153/757.2 to Daryl Stout on Wed Dec 1 10:28:21 2021
    In much of the art world then and now, many paintings, statues, and
    now videos, are done with what they consider "artistic nudity". I set
    up a bulletin on the BBS, with the differences between nudity and pornography (the sex act outside of the marriage relationship between
    a man and a woman). It also dealt with things like breast feeding,
    personal hygiene, and other topics. Years ago, people would talk about
    their bowel and bladder habits, and not say a word about sex. Now, it's
    the other way around.

    Pornography, literally, meant advertisememnts for prostitution, in olde Rome.

    pornis-graphos

    I'm not a meteorologist, but an amateur weather enthusiast. However, I know enough to be dangerous...and I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express
    last night. <G>

    I've nefver been in one -- I'm guessing they're lkle tyhe regular Holiday Inn, but without perks or extras. Your complimentary breakfast is a half price McMuffin coupon for the McDonalds across the street.

    They probably thought that of the one on May 3, 1999 that was measured with 318 mph winds in the Oklahoma City area, with the Doppler On Wheels.
    I saw a tagline that noted "Oklahoma: Our Tornadoes Go To F-6".

    F-5 is the upper limit of the Fuji scale, I'm guessing?

    You know you've been a storm chaser too much, when you look for cows
    with tornadoes (you've also watched Twister too much).

    One of our secretaries, Ms. Helen Hunt, has found a purse; if you've lost a purse, you can go to Helen Hunt for it.

    ... If you live in Hawaii, where do you go on vacation??

    Somewhere cheaper?
    Somewhere with widely different climate just for a change? (Raincouver,BC, e.g.)

    I've visited, accidentally, a touristy trap in SoCal in '85 -- I've done enough of that now, so HI not high on my list of places to visit.

    If I did, I'd rent a 6-bedroom house for a couple months & sublet rooms to other vacationers by the week at a rate that'll make me some decent income & a free vacation for me. (it'll be cheaper by the week than a Waikiki hotel is for the night, probably)

    Vacation smarter, not harder. . .

    I accidentally burned my Hawaiian pizza.
    Should have used aloha temperature.

    Q: What does a Hawaiian comedian put on a sunburn?
    A: Aloe-Ha!

    Q: What do you call a Hawaiian murder mystery?
    A: A Hula-Dunit

    Would a baritone laugh be a low ha?

    Q: What do you call the first Hawaiian in space?
    A: A Coconaut

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:135/392 to GEORGE POPE on Thu Dec 2 05:41:38 2021
    CP wrote ==

    Oops, not in FUNNY, sorry, Joe. . . :)

    No prob. I'm not a heartless humourous man. :)
    Joe

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:135/392 to DARYL STOUT on Fri Dec 3 05:42:14 2021
    Daryl wrote --

    I don't spread gossip, so you better listen close the first time.

    I am of the same opinion. :)
    Joe

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  • From George Pope@1:153/757.2 to JOE MACKEY on Fri Dec 3 11:24:56 2021
    CP wrote ==

    Oops, not in FUNNY, sorry, Joe. . . :)

    No prob. I'm not a heartless humourous man. :)

    The sorry was toungue-in-cheekly anyway! ;)

    More I was referring to my habit of tacking on an obligatory joke in FUNNY, to keep the post on-topic, but not needed in here, as the post was alreasy on topic!
    :)

    Your friend,

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:135/392 to DARYL STOUT on Mon Dec 13 07:40:54 2021
    Daryl wrote --

    More of the Suck up to the Mod Society. :)

    Got to refine my groveling technique. <G>

    You need to be less obvious about things like this.

    In May and June 2019 I took a six week vacation and traveled around the country seeing things and visiting friends. One of the people I visited was Daryl.

    Besides, I bought lunch...but you got lost on the way to the feeding trough.

    I never get lost. I just make unplanned side trips. :)
    Joe
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  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to JOE MACKEY on Mon Dec 13 10:43:00 2021
    Joe,

    More of the Suck up to the Mod Society. :)

    Got to refine my groveling technique. <G>

    You need to be less obvious about things like this.

    That just warns you it's coming. <G>

    I never get lost. I just make unplanned side trips. :)

    I've seen memes where GPS units say "turn here". Whoops!! Went off
    the side of the mountain. :P

    Or real life things where the GPS units say "turn here", and you
    end up on the railroad tracks with a train coming.

    To me, the better definition is below...and I do resemble it...as
    my hindsight is 20/20 when I look in the mirror. <G>

    Daryl

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