Hello Alan!

** 05.04.19 - 00:52, Alan Ianson wrote to August Abolins:

I lost favour in QWK for a variety of reasons.

I am favourable to offline mail. The difference between a point and
offline is that the point has the whole history where with offline you
are limited to what is in your packet. I guess that works for some.

The traditional QWK/REP method started to become laborious and pressure mounted when I was anxious to get the next packet *before* I was finished reading and replying in the previous one.

But then... I discovered SemPoint (Windows). It could consolidate all
the QWK packet messages into an accumulating database.

And.. it supported Jam, Squish, PKT, and a few other formats,
concurrently. It needed an external tosser/scanner though.

And now, all-inclusive point software such OpenXP are quite fine alternatives.

I wish I could get SemPoint working again. I seem to remember having absolutley no trouble setting it up the first time many years ago. But
now, it's complaining "unable to save message in Area" :(

Regards,
../|ug

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Hello Tony!

** 05.04.19 - 18:04, Tony Langdon wrote to mark lewis:

users genreally didn't have a problem installing an offline mail
package since it was one program... trying to do the same for the
piece-part point systems available at the time was more problematic... ml>> might as well set up a BBS with a tosser and mailer...

Or spin one off a working BBS, like I did. :)

Isn't that akin to having a 12 cylinder engine in a sub-compact car? <g>


Regards,
../|ug

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Hello Kurt!

** 04.04.19 - 23:09, Kurt Weiske wrote to August Abolins:

I could never quite understand why points never seemed to catch the
imagination of message/echomail users..

Running a point instead of being a user on a BBS eliminates all of the
art of a BBS and only provides the content. QWK lets you receive the
best of both worlds.

Ah.. but the "art" of operating a point proggie like OpenXP can be quite
an experience. <g>


Regards,
../|ug

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Not so true. The point can only keep so much of the message base before it overflows.

I can run a point under D'Bridge, have done so in the past, and run full message bases without overflow.

Ward
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mark lewis wrote to August Abolins <=-

I don't recall any piece-part issues with Frontdoor/APX. It seemed to be an all-in-one, if I remember correctly, as that is what I preconfigured on
diskette.

it was an all-in-one but it also arrived rather late to the game...

I had a backup point running back then, tried FD/apx, but for the most
part I ran on a setup with a skeleton setup of FD, Squish, and TimEd.



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Dale Shipp wrote to August Abolins <=-

I'm not totally sure that explanation is completely true. Many users
in the USA would call a BBS, download a mail packet, and then read that mail packet offline. Seems to me that would take no more time than accessing via point software.

When I started my BBS in 1991, I didn't have an offline door, and my
BBS would be busy most of the time. I limited my calls to 30 minutes,
and I'd see some people use every second of that. In 1993 or so I
discovered BlueWave and installed the door. I got a ton more calls
with much less usage. I could log onto a local node 24/7 now, but I
still like downloading a packet and reading offline - it's nice to be
able to scan ahead to see if someone's already answered a question I'd
thought to answer.



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August Abolins wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

Ah.. but the "art" of operating a point proggie like OpenXP can be
quite an experience. <g>

I just googled it, looks interesting. Maybe I'll set up a point on my
linux laptop just for kicks...



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Hello Dale,

On 06.04.19, you wrote to August Abolins:

But then... I discovered SemPoint (Windows). It could consolidate all
the QWK packet messages into an accumulating database.

I seem to recall some software that would combine multiple QWK packets into one -- but it never interested me.

Man... you do *not* know what you are missing! You would never have the burden of "researching" anything .QWK by .QWK ever again.


../|ug

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Re: qwk and/or points
By: August Abolins to Alan Ianson on Wed Jan 13 2021 12:19 pm

I wish I could get SemPoint working again. I seem to remember having absolutley no trouble setting it up the first time many years ago. But now, it's complaining "unable to save message in Area" :(

I'm not sure what could be going on with Sempoint. Another option is Golded. I have not used it a lot with QWK because I use MultiMail for QWK but Golded does have QWK support and will save messages in your message base.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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On 13 Jan 2021, Ward Dossche said the following...

Not so true. The point can only keep so much of the message base bef it overflows.

I can run a point under D'Bridge, have done so in the past, and run full message bases without overflow.

Overflow how? My point software, the same as my BBS software I can put the limit amount for each message area. As far as I know, the only limit is how much storage space I have.

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Re: qwk and/or points
By: August Abolins to Alan Ianson on Wed Jan 13 2021 12:19 pm

I wish I could get SemPoint working again. I seem to remember having absolutley no trouble setting it up the first time many years ago. But now, it's complaining "unable to save message in Area" :(

I'm not sure what could be going on with Sempoint. Another option is Golded. I have not used it a lot with QWK because I use MultiMail for QWK but Golded does have QWK support and will save messages in your message base.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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GoldED with QWK Support? That's interesting!


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Re: qwk and/or points
By: Flavio Bessa to Fido2telebot on Thu Jan 14 2021 02:02 am

GoldED with QWK Support? That's interesting!

Yes, I think that support has been forgotten today but I did use Golded with QWK and it worked. It may work with soup also but I am not sure of that.

I never used it much but the features are there.. :)

Ttyl :-),
Al

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