• Re: Guns

    From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Dale Shipp on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    Dale Shipp wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    help? What will either of those actions get you? That's right...... dead. For someone (like me) who has a loaded pistol in my nightstand,
    the outcome will likely be two dead thugs, and my family and property safe.

    I wonder how many times your outcome is what really happens as
    opposed to something else. E.g. one of the kids finds the gun
    and plays with it.

    Anyone who allows the chance of a kid finding/playing with the gun
    should be prosecuted and jailed. In my case, the kids are grown,
    and even yet, the gun is in a locked (biometric quick-open) small
    safe. All the other guns in the house are locked in a large safe
    in another room. Zero chance of anyone accessing any of them
    "accidently".



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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Dale Shipp on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    On 20/05/2019 01:21, Dale Shipp -> Dan Clough wrote:

    help? What will either of those actions get you? That's right......
    dead. For someone (like me) who has a loaded pistol in my nightstand,
    the outcome will likely be two dead thugs, and my family and property
    safe.

    I wonder how many times your outcome is what really happens as opposed
    to something else. E.g. one of the kids finds the gun and plays with
    it.

    For a country with such firearm saturation it is surprising that so many citizens die from overexposure to firearms. All of these defensive weapons on the night-stand don't seem to help much.


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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Dan Clough on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    On 20/05/2019 22:55, Dan Clough -> Dale Shipp wrote:

    I wonder how many times your outcome is what really happens as
    opposed to something else. E.g. one of the kids finds the gun
    and plays with it.

    Anyone who allows the chance of a kid finding/playing with the gun
    should be prosecuted and jailed. In my case, the kids are grown,
    and even yet, the gun is in a locked (biometric quick-open) small
    safe. All the other guns in the house are locked in a large safe
    in another room. Zero chance of anyone accessing any of them "accidently".

    How quickly can you access the firearms when the armed thugs break in?

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to David Drummond on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    David Drummond wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    I wonder how many times your outcome is what really happens as
    opposed to something else. E.g. one of the kids finds the gun
    and plays with it.

    Anyone who allows the chance of a kid finding/playing with the gun
    should be prosecuted and jailed. In my case, the kids are grown,
    and even yet, the gun is in a locked (biometric quick-open) small
    safe. All the other guns in the house are locked in a large safe
    in another room. Zero chance of anyone accessing any of them "accidently".

    How quickly can you access the firearms when the armed thugs
    break in?

    Are you thinking of trying? ;-)

    The one in my bedroom (locked in a biometric-lock small safe) - in
    2-3 seconds. Probably less if I'm not fully asleep.

    The others, in the other room, are not relevant in this scenario.


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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Ward Dossche on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    Ward Dossche wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    The one in my bedroom (locked in a biometric-lock small safe) - in
    2-3 seconds. Probably less if I'm not fully asleep.

    'Biometric" as in how? Fingerprint? Eye-scan? Bettery powered or
    on the grid? If I enter your house illegally and shut-off the
    power first, is the safe still safe? Can it still be opened?

    Yes, fingerprint, powered by battery. The safe and it's ability
    to be opened are not affected by power/grid.

    Just curious.

    Personally I don't get excited about gun-ownership but if I'd
    live in Montana, I'd have one.

    I think it may be a requirement for citizenship in Montana. ;-)

    I've had one break-in attempt many years ago, young kids (like in
    their 20s) trying to get in via the garage. Now I still have my grandfather's WW1 bayonet sheathed. These were not small things
    but long heavy things, like a small sword. Slammed-on the lights,
    stood there, unsheathed the bayonet/sword in plain sight and I
    swear I've never seen anyone run as fast as these kids to the
    get-away car.

    Very nice.

    Ever since, I also have baseball bats at strategic locations, out
    of sight, but where I know they are.

    A great idea. I have a similar setup.


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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    On 21/05/2019 09:30, Gregory Deyss -> Dale Shipp wrote:
    [...]
    many places needs to pass a gun safety course. You seem to be from
    Florida, which has a more lenient set of rules.

    To hell with lefty democrats telling us what we should and shouldn't do.

    Is that any less acceptable than "righty" conservatives telling women what they can do with THEIR bodies?

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Ward Dossche on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    On 2019 May 21 08:50:44, you wrote to Dan Clough:

    Personally I don't get excited about gun-ownership but if I'd live in Montana, I'd have one.

    i was wishing i had my rifle the other day... i removed it from the premises when a convicted felon (son) was staying here for a few months... glad that's over... but i was wishing for my rifle the other day when a pack of coyotes came through and decimated my chickens... they got 10 of them (out of 12) and removed one of my meager sources of food (eggs)... i'm still angry and sad about that...

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to David Drummond on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    On 2019 May 22 09:12:38, you wrote to Dan Clough:

    The one in my bedroom (locked in a biometric-lock small safe) - in
    2-3 seconds. Probably less if I'm not fully asleep.

    The thug has 2-3 seconds to block you from your gunsafe then....

    that means they have to figure out the layout of the building, where the bedrooms are, and get there in that same 2-3 seconds... i think dan has the advantage there if he is awakened by the sound of their entry... yeah, that's a big "if" but depending on the setup, easily handled... especially if it is a two or three story building... we won't even mention motion sensors and being able to tell where they are before they get too far in...

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to BOB ACKLEY on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    BOB ACKLEY wrote to DAN CLOUGH <=-

    To hell with lefty democrats telling us what we should and
    shouldn't do.

    Is that any less acceptable than "righty" conservatives telling
    women what they can do with THEIR bodies?

    Yes, it is. Here's why:
    Gun rights are GUARANTEED by the US Constitution.
    The act of killing babies is NOT protected by the Constitution.
    There. Pretty simple, isn't it?

    "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of
    religion..." ALL of the anti-abortion arguments are based on
    their religion

    Bullshit. I'm anti-abortion and could not care less about
    religion. Speaking for myself, I'm against it because I don't
    think an innocent baby should be killed because the mother is irresponsible/stupid, or for any other reason for that matter.

    Adoption is always a better option.


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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Dan Clough on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    On 22/05/2019 23:21, Dan Clough -> Dale Shipp wrote:

    Another question is how does he distinguish between the noise
    that a burglar makes versus the noise that one of his adult
    children dropping in unannounced because of a bad break up with
    their girlfriend/wife/husband?

    Well, considering that they are not living anywhere near me, and
    don't have a key to the house anyway, that possibility is zero.

    Do you always speak in the third party? Why hide behind Ward if
    you have a question for me?

    So your scenario of the thug accessing your house and the bedroom of your teen aged daughter was a furphy, no more realistic than my suggested use of magic to expel him?

    --

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    On 23/05/2019 00:15, Gregory Deyss -> David Drummond wrote:

    Right and wrong are a matter of personal opinion.

    It's more about choices and morality, rather than right or wrong.
    People do things knowing in advance that they are wrong, but they do them anyway.

    Then they are not all that convinced about the "wrongness" of the act.

    The Truth is that there are people from both sides of
    the isle that are at odds with the abortion issue. So your attempt to
    this a righty conservative issue, is yet another example of your fail

    Anti-abortion is a conservative outlook, regardless of which political
    persuasion one is aligned to

    It's more about pro-life vs pro-choice. and less about being
    Conservative vs being Liberal. To have what your saying make any sense it would have to mean that liberals do not love their children and that is simply NOT true.

    A foetus is NOT a child. A woman wanting to expel a foetus obviously does not have a lot of love for it.

    A foetus cannot be murdered - unless they make abortion illegal. If it
    is legal it is not murder.

    It's much more complicated then that?
    What is a fetus?

    noun: foetus
    an unborn or unhatched offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn human more than eight weeks after conception.

    When does life begin?

    That is the $64,000 question. If it is immoral to "kill" a foetus why is it acceptable to kill an 18yo soldier or civilian children?

    Is it a fetus still when born at the end of a full term pregnancy.

    The moment of birth it becomes a baby. A foetus is "unborn"

    At what point does it become immoral?

    As with right and wrong, morality is a matter of personal choice (like abortion should be)

    Why is it acceptable to kill someone entering a home uninvited, but not
    for a woman who has an unwanted conception?

    Choices leads to intent which leads the criminal act which leads to judgment and then punishment.

    Then don't legislate against abortion and it will not be a criminal act.

    I doubt that many women who seek an abortion "chose" to become pregnant.

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to mark lewis on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    On 23/05/2019 00:42, mark lewis -> David Drummond wrote:
    The one in my bedroom (locked in a biometric-lock small safe) - in
    2-3 seconds. Probably less if I'm not fully asleep.

    The thug has 2-3 seconds to block you from your gunsafe then....

    that means they have to figure out the layout of the building, where the bedrooms are, and get there in that same 2-3 seconds... i think dan has the advantage there if he is awakened by the sound of their entry...
    yeah, that's a big "if" but depending on the setup, easily handled... especially if it is a two or three story building... we won't even
    mention motion sensors and being able to tell where they are before they get too far in...

    If one was breaking into a residence bearing arms, and suspecting that the occupants may also be arms, surely one would lead with one's weapon?

    I guess if there is an alarm system then the resident may well be wide awake and alert...

    I don't really know - the whole concept is just so alien to me....

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Ernest J Gainey III on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    On 23/05/2019 04:45, Ernest J Gainey III -> Gregory Deyss wrote:

    to full term delivering the child normally then making the child
    comfortable before it's murdered, that is not only wrong but it is also
    inconceivability evil.

    EJGI> I don't think anyone on either side of the conversation has EVER suggested
    EJGI> carrying a child to full term, deliver normally and then murder it. I'm not
    EJGI> aware of any proposed legislation for such a thing.

    The news media out of the USA reaching here does seem fixated on "late term abortion", not something I'm aware of in Australia (doesn't mean it isn't happening though).

    I suppose that with abortion being legal here the women get it over and done with early instead of having to fight tooth and nail until late in the pregnancy to have the procedure.

    Of course the emphasis on late term abortion may just be the mandate of an anti abortion editorial policy...

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to BOB ACKLEY on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    On 23/05/2019 06:56, BOB ACKLEY -> DAN CLOUGH wrote:

    Is that any less acceptable than "righty" conservatives telling
    women what they can do with THEIR bodies?

    Yes, it is. Here's why:

    Gun rights are GUARANTEED by the US Constitution.

    The act of killing babies is NOT protected by the Constitution.

    There. Pretty simple, isn't it?

    "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion..."

    ALL of the anti-abortion arguments are based on their religion

    Can anyone quote for me the part of the US constitution that legalises deadly force in the protection of one's homes/teen aged daughter?

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to David Drummond on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    they got 10 of them (out of 12) and removed one of my meager sources of
    food (eggs)... i'm still angry and sad about that...

    There I see a use for a firearm (doesn't need to be a military weapon though).

    Then of course, a properly maintained fence could work equally well, without the need for any guns, no?

    At least it seems to work for my neighbours, with a lot of foxes, wolves and stray dogs running around here.


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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Björn Felten on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    On 2019 May 23 01:20:56, you wrote to David Drummond:

    they got 10 of them (out of 12) and removed one of my meager sources
    of food (eggs)... i'm still angry and sad about that...

    There I see a use for a firearm (doesn't need to be a military weapon
    though).

    Then of course, a properly maintained fence could work equally well, without the need for any guns, no?

    no... it is not possible to fence over creeks and streams, for one thing...

    At least it seems to work for my neighbours, with a lot of foxes,
    wolves and stray dogs running around here.

    that's them over there... they're not here, left behind, with no funds...

    )\/(ark

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Björn Felten on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    On 23/05/2019 09:20, 2:203/2 wrote:
    they got 10 of them (out of 12) and removed one of my meager sources of
    food (eggs)... i'm still angry and sad about that...

    There I see a use for a firearm (doesn't need to be a military weapon
    though).

    Then of course, a properly maintained fence could work equally well, without the need for any guns, no?

    Foxes at least can burrow under the fences. My brother had a female dog here for a while. We found a number of places where the local male dogs had got under the fence.

    The bitch is now gone (cancer) and the fence is undergoing a rebuild with barbed wire top and bottom of the netting before he gets another.

    At least it seems to work for my neighbours, with a lot of foxes, wolves and stray dogs running around here.

    The dogs entering this property were more interested in the company of the brother's bitch than bothering our chooks. The chook pen has netting buried some distance down and out from the wall but the chooks roam free during the daytime within the greater fenced property (2.16ha).


    --

    Gang warily
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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to David Drummond on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    David Drummond wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of
    religion..." ALL of the anti-abortion arguments are based on
    their religion

    Bullshit. I'm anti-abortion and could not care less about
    religion. Speaking for myself, I'm against it because I don't
    think an innocent baby should be killed because the mother is irresponsible/stupid, or for any other reason for that matter.

    So... it's always the female's fault? The bloke has never coerced
    her into opening her legs?

    I see you have poor reading comprehension skills, among your other shortcomings. See above where it says "or for any other reason
    for that matter".

    Adoption is always a better option.

    Yeah - sure.

    Yep. I'm done responding to you. FOAD.


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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Dale Shipp on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    Dale Shipp wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Another question is how does he distinguish between the noise
    that a burglar makes versus the noise that one of his adult
    children dropping in unannounced because of a bad break up with
    their girlfriend/wife/husband?

    Well, considering that they are not living anywhere near me, and
    don't have a key to the house anyway, that possibility is zero.

    I.e. they would just have to sit outside your house making a lot
    of noise until you came to investigate?

    Apparently you're as stupid as Drummond. Stop wasting my time.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to David Drummond on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    Hello David,

    Yep. I'm done responding to you. FOAD.

    With all of the firearms in your area the likelihood is that you will proceed me.

    Is that like processing cheese?

    Some while back another USAmerican Fidonetter (whose name we do not mention)
    made all sorts of boasts regarding his prowess with firearms...

    I remember him.

    He is no longer with us.

    He'll be back.

    Thank you for your participation.

    He is still on the nodelist ...

    --Lee

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    On 25/05/2019 10:06, Lee Lofaso -> David Drummond wrote:

    Some while back another USAmerican Fidonetter (whose name we do not mention)
    made all sorts of boasts regarding his prowess with firearms...

    I remember him.

    He is no longer with us.

    He'll be back.

    Thank you for your participation.

    He is still on the nodelist ...

    But just a lurker nowadays....

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    Hi! Lee,

    On 25 May 19 02:06, you wrote to David Drummond:

    Are you related to the Orange Man?

    Name a word that rhymes with orange.
    Can't do it?
    Nobody else can, either.
    That means there can be only one.
    The world is so lucky. :)

    A close fit: menage - members of the household, of the orange beast of the WH.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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