• Re: Guns.

    From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Dale Shipp on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    Hi, Dale Shipp!
    I read your message from 01.06.2019 23:01

    ak>> PS: Besides, nowadays any sexual culprit can be traced by a
    ak>> DNA test.
    WD>> Nevertheless ... no woman should ever be forcibly be
    WD>> committed to a child she did not willingly produce.

    DS> Not to mention that AKs statement is not true. He assumes that
    DS> a DNA was left behind that a rape kit could recover (often
    DS> not), or that a DNA ??test could be made on the fetus (not
    DS> until later in the term), *AND* ??that the DNA of the culprite
    DS> is on file someplace -- also not always ??true.

    Well, that part of my message was not essential. The main thing is not
    how to punish the man - the main thing is the dilemma what to do with
    the baby who appeared as the result of rape. The age of the baby IMHO is
    not important very much. Well, let't take it as the age when all organs
    are formed and the heart is beating.

    Bye, Dale!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Ward Dossche on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 01.06.2019 23:23

    ak>> PS: Besides, nowadays any sexual culprit can be traced by a
    ak>> DNA test.

    WD> Nevertheless ... no woman should ever be forcibly be committed
    WD> to a child she did not willingly produce.

    You better say, she wants to produce a dead child instead of a living
    one. She probably thinks that child's live belongs to her.

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 02.06.2019 02:57

    HD>>> So you think a raped 11 yr old kid should full fill here
    HD>>> pregnancy? A very bad idea, because she is still a kid herself,
    HD>>> and the pregnancy will damage the health of her ungrown body too
    HD>>> much. Besides that, she is not mentally prepared to full fill
    HD>>> such a pregnancy at?? that age.

    ak>> Would it be correct to issue a law, that a raped girl/woman should
    ak>> at once visit a clinic to prevent her pregnancy? In this case she
    ak>> will not have the dilemma "to kill or not to kill". I believe that
    ak>> every girl in this world now knows that having sex may cause
    ak>> pregnancy.

    LL> A woman (or child) who has been raped is examined, evidence
    LL> collected, and given a spermicide of some kind that induces
    LL> abortion. However, not all women (or children) who have been raped
    LL> have the opportunity to get in touch with law enforcement (or go to
    LL> a hospital), as they are incarcerated at home by the perpetrator(s)
    LL> who got them preggers.

    Well in this case there is no question about abortion according her
    will. If afterwards she become free she will decide and refuse from the
    child, but not kill him. If she kills it means she replaces one crime
    for another.

    Bye, Lee!
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Henri Derksen on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    Hi, Henri Derksen!
    I read your message from 02.06.2019 03:16

    HD>> So you think a raped 11 yr old kid should full fill here
    HD>>> pregnancy? A very bad idea, because she is still a kid herself,
    HD>>> and the pregnancy will damage the health of her ungrown body too
    HD>>> much. Besides that, she is not mentally prepared to full fill
    HD>>> such a pregnancy at?? that age.
    AK>> Would it be correct to issue a law, that a raped girl/woman should
    AK>> at once visit a clinic to prevent her pregnancy?

    HD> So you think it is her fault, that she is raped or got incest?

    Not of course, but a raped woman IMHO has to do all she can to prevent
    her unwanted pregnancy. Another situation begins when a child had
    developed inside her womb, his heart beating etc.

    AK>> In this case she will not have the dilemma "to kill or not to
    AK>> kill".

    HD> She got pregnant against her will!

    Have you read what I wrote? If she goes to a medical clinic after rape
    they can make her a procedure to prevent her pregnancy from scratch. She should not think that the case will be resolved by doing nothing. She
    should think of her unwanted pregnancy right after rape. It is not the Binomial theorem.

    AK>> I believe that every girl in this world now knows that having sex
    AK>> may cause pregnancy.

    HD> First: Many girls in poor countries donot get sexual
    HD> education at school. So they even donot know how
    HD> live works, and got pregnant before they realise
    HD> that, after missing one or two monthly periods.

    Well, let's talk about such countries as the USA, the EU, or Russia.

    HD> Second: Rape or incest is not sex at free will for
    HD> the girl/woman. She could not prevent that unwanted
    HD> conception against a strong man.

    I repeat, that if a woman can do things according her will, she must
    think that the rape will lead to pregnancy, and she must not wait for it developing.

    HD> Third: In case of rape or incest, the man should be
    HD> punished, not the girl/woman.

    At least must not be killed an innocent child.

    HD> In nature there is also abortion bacause of a bad health, you can

    Well, in this case it should be an terrible choice of her.

    HD> not always prevent that, sometimes unluckily. Would you bring a
    HD> woman to court if she got a natural unforced abortion? Sorry but it
    HD> is her body, and not any man has the right to tell her what to do

    To be exactly, there are two bodies, period.

    Bye, Henri!
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to David Drummond on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    Hi, David Drummond!
    I read your message from 02.06.2019 07:16

    ak>>>> kill". I believe that every girl in this world now
    ak>>>> knows that having sex may cause pregnancy.
    DD>>> Do men know that too, or that they (the men) are a
    DD>>> required part of that pregnancy?
    ak>> It is women, not men who abort babies.

    DD> I wonder haw hard abortions would be to get if it was the males
    DD> that carried the foetus...

    Well, suppose somebody kicks a pregnant woman on her stomach and made
    her foetus dead. Should it be treated as homicide or a just scuffle? If
    a featus is not a human, why we should persecute somebody?

    ak>> PS: Besides, nowadays any sexual culprit can be traced by a
    ak>> DNA test.

    DD> Does that make an unwanted pregnancy any easier for the woman?

    I repeat that every woman knows that as a result of rape she can be
    pregnant, and she has time to prevent pregnancy from starting.

    Bye, David!
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to David Drummond on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    Hello David,

    It is women, not men who abort babies.

    I wonder how hard abortions would be to get if it was the males that
    carried
    the foetus...

    Do you? Do you really?

    Yes - only casually of course, it is not keeping me up at night worrying.

    Well, with three Chinese warships in Sydney harbor ... with hundreds
    of horny Chinese sailors on board ...

    PS: Besides, nowadays any sexual culprit can be traced by a > DNA test.

    Does that make an unwanted pregnancy any easier for the woman?

    If she is forced to carry it to term, what does it matter?

    Indeed.

    Just imagine the bondings those Aussie gals could make with those
    dashing young men from China ...

    --Lee

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    On 4/06/2019 00:42, Lee Lofaso -> David Drummond wrote:

    I wonder how hard abortions would be to get if it was the males that carried
    the foetus...

    Do you? Do you really?

    Yes - only casually of course, it is not keeping me up at night
    worrying.

    Well, with three Chinese warships in Sydney harbor ... with hundreds
    of horny Chinese sailors on board ...

    That's nearly 1000 miles from here. I won't see any of such behaviour.
    [...]
    If she is forced to carry it to term, what does it matter?

    Indeed.

    Just imagine the bondings those Aussie gals could make with those
    dashing young men from China ...

    There are already a lot of people of Chinese origin living/studying in Australia. From my observations they don't tend to "bond" outside of their culture.

    As I am not an "Aussie gal" I guess it doesn't affect me at all. I won't be legally forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term. Then again nor will the Aussie gals, abortion is quite legal in all Australian states.

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    David

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to alexander koryagin on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    Hello alexander,

    On Tuesday June 04 2019 13:23, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

    Today many women bear via a cesarean section. Very convenient. You
    take a pill, got asleep, got a baby -- good morning, here you are! ;-) Some scientists say that in future all women will do this procedure.

    Male scientists or female scientists?


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Ward Dossche on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    On 5/06/2019 02:58, Ward Dossche -> alexander koryagin wrote:

    "Some scientist ..." ... I can probably compile an interesting catalogue of nonsense which has been spread by scientists, including the world
    being flat.

    Are you suggesting that it is not????

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    David

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Michiel van der Vlist on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    Hi, Michiel Van Der Vlist!
    I read your message from 04.06.2019 10:37

    ak>> Today many women bear via a cesarean section. Very
    ak>> convenient. You take a pill, got asleep, got a baby -- good
    ak>> morning, here you are! ;-) Some scientists say that in
    ak>> future all women will do this procedure.
    MV> Male scientists or female scientists?

    I think both parts see the reasons why women use it more and more
    frequently. And in general - if you have a possibility to avoid pain -
    why you should refuse from it?

    Bye, Michiel!
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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Jeff Smith on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    Hello Jeff,

    On Saturday June 01 2019 17:11, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

    I would have to agree. As a rule I am against abortion except in cases

    Then by all means refrain from having an abortion except in those cases.

    But do not tell others that they should not have an abortion either.

    I do think though that unborn children should not be punished simply because they were unexpected, or inconvenient.

    You are free to have your beliefs. But do not force them on others.


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    Hello Ward,

    "In Brazil, there's a belief that normal childbirth is something the
    poor do"

    Believing is something you do in a church. People 'believe' because of a 'lack of facts'.

    That is complete and unadulterated bullsh*t -

    https://www.winton.com/davids-views/august-2017/why-do-we-believe-things


    People believe whatever they want to believe. Even with no basis
    at all in fact (or fiction).

    We must doubt in order to believe.
    Without doubt there can be no belief.

    Now do you believe?

    --Lee

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Jeff Smith on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    Hello Jeff,

    On Thursday June 06 2019 08:46, you wrote to me:

    I do think though that unborn children should not be punished
    simply because they were unexpected, or inconvenient.

    You are free to have your beliefs. But do not force them on others.

    There is a difference between expressing an opinion or belief and
    forcing that opinion on others.

    Yes, there is, but it is a fine line.

    I wasn't aware that I suggested or expected anyone else to agree or
    abide by my opinion or belief.

    Contrary to opinons, beliefs are often based on religion and religious believers usually have an urge to "convert" non believers. In the past not only by word, but also by the sword. Nowadays what we see now in the US is that instead of the sword, the law is used to impose beliefs on others. Many states are adopting laws that make abortion almost impossible. By democratically elected lawmakers...

    If I used too wide a brush and you are not in that categorie, I apologize.


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Henri Derksen on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    On 2019 May 28 02:07:00, you wrote to me:

    If the baby is made by a rape, that boy should pay the abortion or
    the adoption. If that boy is not found, the government should pay
    the abortion, until the police finds the boy. After that the boy has
    to pay back afterwards.

    boy???

    Yes, the one who made her pregnant.

    i think you missed my point... the rapist is/was 26 years old... that's not a "boy" by any standard ;) is he a male? sure... is he a man? that's questionable...

    [quote]
    An 11-year-old girl in Ohio was allegedly raped by a 26-year-old
    multiple times, leaving her pregnant, according to police reports. A
    state law passed in April, but not yet in effect, says that victims
    like her won't have a choice to have an abortion -- they would have to
    carry and deliver their rapist's child.

    The safety of the mother weights more than the unborn feutus.

    i know this... i'm on the side of the females... it is their body and no one else has any say in what they do with it, period...

    The law prohibits women from obtaining an abortion after a fetal
    heartbeat is detected, about five or six weeks into a pregnancy, before
    most women even know that they're pregnant.

    If I was that girl, then I would try everything to get that foetus removed.

    The law provides no exceptions for rape or incest.
    [/quote]

    Never heard about the "morning after pill"

    i only quoted the article... i have heard of that medicine but i rather doubt that an 11 years old girl has... in this day in time, that may be an erroneous doubt, though...

    And second it was not her fault in that kind of cases.

    of course...

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Henri Derksen on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    Hi, Henri Derksen!
    I read your message from 23.05.2019 00:29

    HD> So you think a raped 11 yr old kid should full fill here
    HD> pregnancy? A very bad idea, because she is still a kid herself,
    HD> and the pregnancy will damage the health of her ungrown body
    HD> too much. Besides that, she is not mentally prepared to full
    HD> fill such a pregnancy at ??that age.

    Would it be correct to issue a law, that a raped girl/woman should at
    once visit a clinic to prevent her pregnancy? In this case she will not
    have the dilemma "to kill or not to kill". I believe that every girl in
    this world now knows that having sex may cause pregnancy.

    Bye, Henri!
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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to alexander koryagin on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    On 31/05/2019 22:10, alexander koryagin -> Henri Derksen wrote:

    Besides that, she is not mentally prepared to full
    fill such a pregnancy at ??that age.

    Would it be correct to issue a law, that a raped girl/woman should at
    once visit a clinic to prevent her pregnancy? In this case she will not have the dilemma "to kill or not to kill". I believe that every girl in this world now knows that having sex may cause pregnancy.

    Do men know that too, or that they (the men) are a required part of that pregnancy?

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to David Drummond on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    Hi, David Drummond!
    I read your message from 01.06.2019 05:16 HD>>> Besides that, she is not mentally prepared to full
    HD>>> fill such a pregnancy at ??that age.
    ak>> Would it be correct to issue a law, that a raped girl/woman
    ak>> should at once visit a clinic to prevent her pregnancy? In
    ak>> this case she will not have the dilemma "to kill or not to
    ak>> kill". I believe that every girl in this world now knows
    ak>> that having sex may cause pregnancy.
    DD> Do men know that too, or that they (the men) are a required
    DD> part of that pregnancy?

    It is women, not men who abort babies.

    PS: Besides, nowadays any sexual culprit can be traced by a DNA test.

    Bye, David!
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Ward Dossche on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    On 2019 Jun 02 00:23:22, you wrote to alexander koryagin:

    PS: Besides, nowadays any sexual culprit can be traced by a DNA test.

    Nevertheless ... no woman should ever be forcibly be committed to a child she did not willingly produce.

    exactly!

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    Hello Alexander,

    So you think a raped 11 yr old kid should full fill here
    pregnancy? A very bad idea, because she is still a kid herself,
    and the pregnancy will damage the health of her ungrown body
    too much. Besides that, she is not mentally prepared to full
    fill such a pregnancy at ??that age.

    Would it be correct to issue a law, that a raped girl/woman should at
    once visit a clinic to prevent her pregnancy? In this case she will not have the dilemma "to kill or not to kill". I believe that every girl in this world now knows that having sex may cause pregnancy.

    A woman (or child) who has been raped is examined, evidence collected,
    and given a spermicide of some kind that induces abortion. However,
    not all women (or children) who have been raped have the opportunity
    to get in touch with law enforcement (or go to a hospital), as they
    are incarcerated at home by the perpetrator(s) who got them preggers.
    And with new laws on the books making abortion illegal, with no
    exceptions (even for rape and incest), the women (or children) who
    are preggers are doomed.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Henri Derksen on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    Hello Henri,

    So you think a raped 11 yr old kid should full fill here
    pregnancy? A very bad idea, because she is still a kid herself,
    and the pregnancy will damage the health of her ungrown body
    too much. Besides that, she is not mentally prepared to full
    fill such a pregnancy at ??that age.

    Would it be correct to issue a law, that a raped girl/woman should at
    once visit a clinic to prevent her pregnancy?

    So you think it is her fault, that she is raped or got incest?

    Doesn't matter. Right-to-lifers got their laws passed mandating
    that all abortions are illegal, no exceptions, even for victims of
    rape and incest.

    In this case she will not have the dilemma "to kill or not to kill".

    She got pregnant against her will !

    Doesn't matter. Right-to-lifers gotta protect those unborn children, regardless of the health and welfare of mommy dearest.

    I believe that every girl in this world now knows that having sex
    may cause pregnancy.

    First: Many girls in poor countries do not get sexual education at school.
    So they even do not know how live works, and got pregnant before they realise that, after missing one or two monthly periods.

    Girls (presumably under age 18) are ignorant, therefore it is all
    their fault. That is no excuse for getting an abortion. Especially
    since condoms are freely available for those who can afford them.
    Oh. That's right. Right-to-lifers want to ban the use of concoms
    since using condoms would amount to being pre-emptive abortions.

    Second: Rape or incest is not sex at free will for the girl/woman.
    She could not prevent that unwanted conception against a strong man.

    Which is why right-to-lifers insist on no exceptions for women
    who are victims of rape and/or incest. Gotta protect the unborn
    child at all costs, including if it kills the mother.

    Third: In case of rape or incest, the man should be punished,
    not the girl/woman.

    Then why do right-to-lifers insist on no exceptions, forcing
    women who are victims of rape and/or incest to carry the unborn
    child to term?

    In nature there is also abortion bacause of a bad health,
    you can not always prevent that, sometimes unluckily.

    A queen bee feeds her eggs to her own young to survive, and then
    gets eaten when they grow up.

    Would you bring a woman to court if she got a natural unforced abortion?

    Only if I was a mullah in Iran.

    Sorry but it is her body, and not any man has the right to tell her what to
    do or not, period.

    A mullah in Iran can order a woman to get herself stoned by a mob.

    Hopefully no women got pregnant against their will by you.
    Good luck.

    No woman would ever want to get pregnant by a mullah in Iran.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to David Drummond on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    Hello David,

    It is women, not men who abort babies.

    I wonder haw hard abortions would be to get if it was the males that carried
    the foetus...

    Do you? Do you really?

    PS: Besides, nowadays any sexual culprit can be traced by ak>a DNA test.

    Does that make an unwanted pregnancy any easier for the woman?

    If she is forced to carry it to term, what does it matter?

    --Lee

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    On 3/06/2019 00:43, Lee Lofaso -> David Drummond wrote:

    It is women, not men who abort babies.

    I wonder how hard abortions would be to get if it was the males that carried
    the foetus...

    Do you? Do you really?

    Yes - only casually of course, it is not keeping me up at night worrying.

    PS: Besides, nowadays any sexual culprit can be traced by a > DNA test.

    Does that make an unwanted pregnancy any easier for the woman?

    If she is forced to carry it to term, what does it matter?

    Indeed.

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Henri Derksen on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    Henri Derksen wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Bullshit. I'm anti-abortion and could not care less about
    religion. Speaking for myself, I'm against it because I don't
    think an innocent baby should be killed because the mother is irresponsible/stupid, or for any other reason for that matter.

    So you are going to pay 20 years for rising up that baby,
    because the very young mother has no job, no income and is very
    poor. As you are against abortion, YOU should pay the grow up of
    that baby/child. Oh you do not want that? Then let that girl get
    her abortion.

    No, I'm not going to pay for that. The family of the mother can
    pay for that.

    If you are not the father, it is NOT your business.

    It is if my tax dollars are being used to pay/support (which they
    are).

    Adoption is always a better option.

    So you think a raped 11 yr old kid should full fill here
    pregnancy?

    No, I don't. I would make exceptions for rape/incest pregnancies.

    A very bad idea, because she is still a kid herself,
    and the pregnancy will damage the health of her ungrown body too
    much. Besides that, she is not mentally prepared to full fill
    such a pregnancy at that age.
    Sorry but YOU are NOT responsable for what others do at this
    point, so mind your own business.

    So..... if I'm not responsible (what you said right there above),
    why should I have to pay for anything related to this?

    If I decide to ignore you, no one can change that than only me.
    So be nice to me, to prevent me from ignoring you ;-).

    You're free to do whatever you like regarding that. Do you
    actually think I care if you ignore me?


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Henri Derksen on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    Hello Henri,

    The act of killing babies is NOT protected by the Constitution.
    There. Pretty simple, isn't it?

    "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of
    religion..." ALL of the anti-abortion arguments are based on
    their religion

    Bullshit. I'm anti-abortion and could not care less about
    religion. Speaking for myself, I'm against it because I don't
    think an innocent baby should be killed because the mother is
    irresponsible/stupid, or for any other reason for that matter.

    So you are going to pay 20 years for rising up that baby,
    because the very young mother has no job, no income and is very poor.

    Nah. The kid will put it up for adoption and let the state take
    care of the rest. A legal form of kidnapping. Can't afford to raise
    a kid? Put it up for adoption. The Trump administration has taken
    this to a new level, separating parents from their children when
    they cross the border. So why not separate the children from their
    babies among those who are already here?

    As you are against abortion, YOU should pay the grow up of that baby/child.

    But there are so many others who are willing to pay ...

    Oh you do not want that? Then let that girl get her abortion.

    Her parents won't let her do that. You see, parental consent
    is required for children to get an abortion. Even if she was raped
    by her own daddy.

    If you are not the father, it is NOT your business.

    Even convicted rapists have their rights. And that includes
    parental consent if their victim is a pregnant kid. But new laws
    passed allow for no exceptions including rape and incest. So the
    kid has no choice but to have the rapist's baby. Even if she
    doesn't like it.

    The world can not produce enough food for every human being.
    So producing unlimited baby's is a very stupid thing.
    It will give too much pain to everyone concerned in that area,
    because many childs will die, because of too less amount of food,
    and that is very bad for the menthal health of the parents.

    Russia has an aging population, which is why Vladimir Putin is
    forced to find new lands to conquer. Such as Crimea and Georgia
    and who knows where else ...

    Japan has an aging population, which is why it is thinking about
    changing the constitution to allow for the military to conquer
    other lands as it did before. Unfortunately, there are no new
    lands to conquer, except for a few rocky islands that are not
    yet underwater due to climate change.

    Adoption is always a better option.

    So you think a raped 11 yr old kid should full fill here pregnancy?
    A very bad idea, because she is still a kid herself,
    and the pregnancy will damage the health of her ungrown body too much.

    There is nothing illegal about kids having kids with other kids.
    The grown-ups are now insisting that kids having kids with other
    kids actually have those kids, making it illegal for others to
    keep that from happening.

    There is no age of consent among kids. Only for adults.
    But new laws passed make no distinction, thus forcing kids
    to have kids with everybody, including grown-ups.

    Even if a grown-up is a convicted rapist, his victim (regardless
    of age) is forced to have the kid, as there are no exceptions for
    rape or incest.

    Besides that, she is not mentally prepared to full fill such a pregnancy at
    that age.

    Kids have kids all the time. Everywhere around the world.

    Sorry but YOU are NOT responsable for what others do at this point,
    so mind your own business.

    But he's a right-to-lifer! Gotta protect those unborn children!
    No matter what the cost! But let's keep the death penalty machine
    oiled and greased, ready for use!

    In nature abortion happens too.
    You know a female shark produces eggs to feed the baby shark growing in her.
    You call that abortion too, as in your eyes every egg should grow up.
    So than immediately stop eating eggs from chicken, they should all be grown
    up.
    Even the most part of your own seed is not growing up, what a waste.
    But in nature that is not waste, but food for others.

    Beans. You forgot the beans. Aborted plants. Know what I mean?
    Gotta eat beans to expel the hot air. Lots and lots of beans ...

    ... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.

    Ofcourse not.

    Stupid is as stupid does. Is that fixable?

    If I decide to ignore you, no one can change that than only me.
    So be nice to me, to prevent me from ignoring you ;-).

    I can't fix stupid.

    Smashing the delete key without smashing my own finger
    is much too dangerous for me. Best to keep my unbroken
    finger rather than lose a key.

    --Lee

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Henri Derksen on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    On 2019 May 23 14:42:00, you wrote to Dan Clough:

    It is if my tax dollars are being used to pay/support (which they
    are).

    If the baby is made by a rape, that boy should pay the abortion or the adoption. If that boy is not found, the government should pay the abortion, until the police finds the boy. After that the boy has to
    pay back afterwards.

    boy???

    [quote]
    An 11-year-old girl in Ohio was allegedly raped by a 26-year-old multiple times, leaving her pregnant, according to police reports. A state law passed in April, but not yet in effect, says that victims like her won't have a choice to have an abortion -- they would have to carry and deliver their rapist's child.

    The law prohibits women from obtaining an abortion after a fetal heartbeat is detected, about five or six weeks into a pregnancy, before most women even know that they're pregnant.

    The law provides no exceptions for rape or incest.
    [/quote]

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ohio-abortion-heartbeat-bill-pregnant-11-year-old-rape-victim-barred-abortion-after-new-ohio-abortion- bill-2019-05-13/

    or

    https://tinyurl.com/yyq2vr3f
    https://preview.tinyurl.com/yyq2vr3f

    and the worst part? these states that are trying to pass these laws have no women on the committees doing this... there's no input from females that are affected by these laws... then there's the reports that these laws are being passed by these states with the specific intention of taking the cases to the supreme court... a supreme court now loaded with those not in favor of "roe vs wade"... one of the new justices has been accused of plagiarism (included other's work in a book without proper attribution) and the other accused of sexual assault and/or sexual misconduct by three women; also accused of lying to the judicial committee...

    FWIW and for those that do not know:

    Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973), was a landmark decision of the U.S. Supreme Court in which the Court ruled that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides a fundamental "right to privacy" that protects a pregnant woman's liberty to choose whether or not to have an abortion. However, it ruled that this right is not absolute, and must be balanced against the government's interests in protecting women's health and protecting prenatal life. The Court resolved this balancing test by tying state regulation of abortion to the three trimesters of pregnancy: the Court ruled that during the first trimester, governments could not prohibit abortions at all; during the second trimester, governments could require reasonable health regulations; during the third trimester, abortions could be prohibited entirely so long as the laws contained exceptions for cases when abortion was necessary to save the life of the mother. Because the Court classified the right to choose to have an abortion as "fundamental", the decision required courts to evaluate challenged abortion laws under the "strict scrutiny" standard, the highest level of judicial review in the United States.


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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to mark lewis on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    On 25/05/2019 04:22, mark lewis -> Henri Derksen wrote:

    [quote]
    An 11-year-old girl in Ohio was allegedly raped by a 26-year-old
    multiple times, leaving her pregnant, according to police reports. A
    state law passed in April, but not yet in effect, says that victims like her won't have a choice to have an abortion -- they would have to carry and deliver their rapist's child.

    The law prohibits women from obtaining an abortion after a fetal
    heartbeat is detected, about five or six weeks into a pregnancy, before most women even know that they're pregnant.

    The law provides no exceptions for rape or incest.
    [/quote]

    Ah - they joys of "freedom".

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to David Drummond on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    On 2019 May 25 09:37:38, you wrote to me:

    The law prohibits women from obtaining an abortion after a fetal
    heartbeat is detected, about five or six weeks into a pregnancy,
    before most women even know that they're pregnant.

    The law provides no exceptions for rape or incest.
    [/quote]

    Ah - they joys of "freedom".

    even worse is when "they" have to legislate it...

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