• Muslim Kids

    From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to All on Tue Apr 16 07:31:15 2024
    Hello Everybody,

    Everybody loves children. Right?
    Especially Muslim children. Right?
    Here are Muslim children.
    All singing the same old song.
    In the City of Brotherly Love - Philadelphia, Pennsylvania USA

    Truly a sight to behold, isn't it?
    Now think of what Muslim children in Iran look like.
    And what Muslim children in Palestine look like.
    And what Muslim children everywhere else look like.

    https://youtu.be/KHXCmEWxMY4

    What should we teach the children to sing next?

    --Lee

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Apr 16 07:31:15 2024
    On 13/05/2019 02:31, Gregory Deyss -> Lee Lofaso wrote:

    There must be NO tolerance to allow this disease to continue to
    exist within the United States of America.

    Should the KKK and other purist "Christian" filth be not tolerated too?

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to David Drummond on Tue Apr 16 07:31:15 2024
    David Drummond wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

    And I didn't bother to view the video, what madness happens in
    your country is not my problem.

    And yet you feel the need to (frequently) comment on what happens
    here in this country.

    Mind your own business if it's not your problem.



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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Dan Clough on Tue Apr 16 07:31:15 2024
    On 14/05/2019 11:30, Dan Clough -> David Drummond wrote:

    And I didn't bother to view the video, what madness happens in
    your country is not my problem.

    And yet you feel the need to (frequently) comment on what happens
    here in this country.

    I take my lead from the example shown by the USAmericans.

    Mind your own business if it's not your problem.

    That does not stop me from making an observation. 'Freedom of speech" is not your exclusive realm.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    Hello Greg,

    Everybody loves children. Right?
    Especially Muslim children. Right?
    Here are Muslim children.
    All singing the same old song.
    In the City of Brotherly Love - Philadelphia, Pennsylvania USA

    Truly a sight to behold, isn't it?

    This facility should be immediately shutdown and demolished.
    Next the so called American-Muslim society should be eliminated.

    Islam means "peace and submission to Allah". Those who refuse
    get what they deserve. According to their holy book.

    Why?

    The twisted mentality of a small handful of people does not mean
    that all Muslims have the same "off with their heads" mentality.
    Remember, these are small children who have been taught to hate.
    Taught to hate by grown adults who should know better.

    These two cultures; Christians and Muslims are in serious conflict with one
    another and have been for hundreds of years. To suggest otherwise is being extremely naive.

    Islam is anti-war and anti-violence.
    Christianity is anti-war and anti-violence.
    Judaism is anti-war and anti-violence.

    Or so it is claimed by adherents of those three faiths.

    If one is anti-violence, let him or her condemn *all* acts of violence. Otherwise, that person is nothing but a hypocrite. Regardless of what
    faith he/she claims to be.

    If one is anti-war, let him or her condemn *all* wars. Let him/her
    declare war an anathema that should be cleansed from the face of this
    planet. Otherwise, that person is nothing but a hypocrite. Regardless
    of what faith he/she claims to be.

    To teach little children to hate their neighbor is anti-Christian,
    anti-Muslim, and anti-Jewish. So what does that make those who teach
    such hatred?

    What escaped to the media and to the world of children singing about chopping off heads; is really who they are and it is what they believe.

    What about white nationalist extremists who chant Nazi slogans?
    What do you think they teach their children?

    They want to be intolerant and have this ideology of which supports this disgusting action and belief?

    We have all seen video of neo-Nazis in Charlottesville, Virginia
    chanting their slogans and lighting torches. Including one of them
    who plowed his car into a crowd of innocent people, injuring dozens
    and killing one.

    Fine... then they will learn what the true meaning of the word means, to be
    intolerant. There must be NO tolerance to allow this disease to continue to
    exist within the United States of America.

    Who is going to stop them? Rather than chastise, Donald Trump eggs
    them on at his rallies. During a rally in Florida after saying a few
    words about illegal immigrants crossing the border, someone in the
    audience shouted "Shoot them!" What did the president do? Nothing.
    As if it was fine for people to take the law into their own hands
    and start shooting immigrants just because they can.

    How is that any different than little children singing about
    chopping the heads off those who are not Muslim?

    --Lee

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    On 15/05/2019 09:39, Gregory Deyss -> David Drummond wrote:

    I can see the appeal to USAmericans - they have so little peace - if
    what we're told in the news is to be believed.

    Yeah, You got a point there is no way that I watch CNN, or NBC, the news is
    not the news any longer and it's nothing more then a production, in other words, It's Fake News.

    I would guess there are proportionately as many narrow minded bigots in
    Australia as there are there.

    That might be so but Australia, is not alone with it's stance when it comes
    to Muslims and you may be surprised to learn that I am not talking about the U.S.

    Such a mind set would make them "narrow minded bigots". Not all Muslims are of the zealous head chopping frame of mind, and more than all Christians in USA are of the KKK mindset.

    There are bad eggs in all cultures.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to David Drummond on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    Hello David,

    Islam means "peace and submission to Allah". Those who refuse
    get what they deserve. According to their holy book.

    but the U.S. is primarily is a Christian Nation.

    The twisted mentality of a small handful of people does not mean
    that all Muslims have the same "off with their heads" mentality.
    Remember, these are small children who have been taught to hate.

    Where there are a few there are thousands, but it's always too late
    when when they shout Allahu akbar!

    Is that any worse than the US President saying "God is on your side" to the
    US forces when they were invading Iraq?

    GWB is a trained pilot, having been taught how to fly by the
    Texas Air National Guard. He hopped on a military jet, flew to
    Iraq, then landed on an aircraft carrier, got out, and announced
    to the entire world -

    "Mission Accomplished!" ~GWB

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to RUBEN FIGUEROA on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    Hello Ruben,

    but the U.S. is primarily is a Christian Nation.

    The US is a *free* nation.

    Based on freedom to bear arms. freedom of speech, freedom from religious persecution, etc. Yes primarily the US is composed of Christianity but there are many beliefs supported because it is a *free* nation.

    Exactly!

    --Lee

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    On 16/05/2019 04:56, Lee Lofaso -> David Drummond wrote:

    Many Christian terrorists have shot abortion doctors dead ...

    It is very interesting that "pro-life" advocates are prepared to kill for their cause...

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to BOB ACKLEY on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    On 16/05/2019 06:21, BOB ACKLEY -> DAVID DRUMMOND wrote:

    Mind your own business if it's not your problem.

    That does not stop me from making an observation. 'Freedom of speech" is not
    your exclusive realm.

    Over here, many people - especially those of the leftist persuasion - believe in freedom for MY speech and will shout down anyone who tries to express a different opinion. They've been doing that here for well over half a century

    Actually, Australians have no "right to free speech", and as I'm only a guest in this country I guess I have even less "rights".

    I agree that many (and not just "leftists") consider freedom of speech to only include THEIR opinions and no-one else may express a contrary opinion.

    I used "narrow minded bigots" in an earlier message - I reference that expression again.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    This just doesnot happen in modern times with folks who fellow Christianity to any degree.

    It seems to me that the fire-and-brimstone style of Christian preaching is still going strong, especially in the former slave states of the USA.

    This is for instance how the Westboro Baptist Church, Topeka, Kansas showed their Christian love for some of those who died in the 2004 Tsunami in south-east Asia. Is that modern enough times for you?

    http://eljaco.se/WBC_tsunami.png



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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to David Drummond on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    On 17/05/2019 10:48, David Drummond -> Gregory Deyss wrote:

    warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the
    slaughter.

    Nor do our people become radicalized and commit heinous crimes in the
    name of Christ.

    Luke 19:27

    2 Chronicles 15:12-13

    And so on...

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to David Drummond on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    On 2019 May 17 10:48:46, you wrote to Gregory Deyss:

    Nor do our people become radicalized and commit heinous crimes in the
    name of Christ.

    Bullshit!

    obviously he hasn't read his bible completely and doesn't remember his history, eh?

    something something crusades something something knights templar something something something

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to mark lewis on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    something something crusades something something knights templar
    something something something

    ROTFL!

    Yeah, something like that...



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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to David Drummond on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    Re: Muslim Kids
    By: David Drummond to Gregory Deyss on Thu May 16 2019 10:50 am

    Sure there are some nut cases out there with guns, does that mean that we outlaw the gun, even I believe in Gun Control - I use both hands.

    I do not now, nor ever have had the desire to possess a gun. I do not hunt for food so cannot perceive a need.

    There are other uses for guns. Here are a couple:

    1. Sport/target shooting. Challenging and fun.

    2. Home/personal defense. Here's a scenario for you - you're home asleep at 3:00AM, and are awoken by a noise. Turns out it's a couple of thugs breaking into your house to steal your property and/or rape/kill your wife and teenage daughter. They're crazed out on drugs and have no fear, and either have guns or some other weapon of deadly force like a club or knife. They come at you with clear intentions to kill you. What are you gonna do? Call the police? Yell and scream for help? What will either of those actions get you? That's right...... dead.
    For someone (like me) who has a loaded pistol in my nightstand, the outcome will likely be two dead thugs, and my family and property safe.

    How can any sane person argue that that is not a valid need/use for a gun? Are you willing to give up your life, or your family's lives, because you don't "feel a need" to have a gun?
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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Dan Clough on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    On 19/05/2019 13:12, Dan Clough -> David Drummond wrote:

    I do not now, nor ever have had the desire to possess a gun. I do not hunt
    for food so cannot perceive a need.

    There are other uses for guns. Here are a couple:

    1. Sport/target shooting. Challenging and fun.

    Shooting at innocent chunks of clay hurled into the air is challenging and fun? How about you are the chunks of clay and see how challenging and fun that it.

    2. Home/personal defense. Here's a scenario for you - you're home asleep at
    3:00AM, and are awoken by a noise. Turns out it's a couple of thugs breaking
    into your house to steal your property and/or rape/kill your wife and teenage
    daughter. They're crazed out on drugs and have no fear, and either have guns
    or some other weapon of deadly force like a club or knife. They come at you
    with clear intentions to kill you. What are you gonna do? Call the police?
    Yell and scream for help? What will either of those actions get you? That's right...... dead.

    Oh - a hypothetical situation. I would cast my magic spell and send them to the nearest police station.


    The likelihood of your above scenario is so slim as to not warrant mention. Remember - I DO NOT live in USA. Life is not ruled by firearms here.

    For someone (like me) who has a loaded pistol in my nightstand, the outcome
    will likely be two dead thugs, and my family and property safe.

    You live in fear of being attacked by armed intruders?

    How can any sane person argue that that is not a valid need/use for a
    gun? Are you willing to give up your life, or your family's lives, because you don't
    "feel a need" to have a gun?

    I see the risk of that happening as so slim that I can honestly say "I do not feel the need to possess a firearm to defend myself from armed attackers".

    It would appear that a very large percentage of Australian residents see it the same way.

    Wikipedia tells us:

    Estimated number of civilian guns per capita by country:

    1 United States 120.5
    [..]
    51 Australia 14.5

    I can see why you're so terrified. Have you thought of migrating to Australia... or maybe

    162 Netherlands 2.6

    or the home of Borat perhaps:

    217 Uzbekistan 0.4

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Dan Clough on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    Hi! Dan,

    On 18 May 19 22:12, you wrote to David Drummond:

    There are other uses for guns. Here are a couple:
    1. Sport/target shooting. Challenging and fun.

    Yes, and more expensive these days.

    2. Home/personal defense.

    Not a valid reason for a firearms licence in Australia. Mention that at a Police interview and it's an instant fail, practically forever. No shit, as in a previous life I was part of the licensing process.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Paul Quinn on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    Paul Quinn wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    There are other uses for guns. Here are a couple:
    1. Sport/target shooting. Challenging and fun.

    Yes, and more expensive these days.

    Well, yes, like everything else. It's manageable, and the cost
    really wasn't the point.

    2. Home/personal defense.

    Not a valid reason for a firearms licence in Australia.

    I see. Thankfully we don't need a license to own/possess a gun
    here in the USA. Our Constitution guarantees us the absolute
    RIGHT to do so.

    Mention that at a Police interview and it's an instant fail,
    practically forever. No shit, as in a previous life I was
    part of the licensing process.

    We don't have police interviews here, unless you've already been
    arrested... :)


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to David Drummond on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    Hello David,

    And yet you submit to your belief...

    Believing in something enough to fight and die for it, is worth
    fighting for.

    I would need to know what I was fighting for, not just accept some proposition with no evidence what so ever.

    Peope do not need to know what they are fighting for.
    Nor do people have to accept some proposition with no evidence
    in order to fight.

    A soldier is a trained killer. The only reason a soldier needs
    is his commanding officer giving him the order. IOW, following
    orders is his gig. He does as he is told. Without question.

    This is not a indigenous belief to Americans, far from it.

    True, USA does not have the monopoly on religious nutters but it sure does have more than its equal share.

    Israel is a theocratic state, whose adherents are Jewish.
    Iran is a theocratic state, whose adherents are Muslim.
    Vatican City is a theocratic state, whose adherents are Christian.

    None of these theocratic states have a monopoly on religions nutters.
    Even though each of them has a monopoly on religious matters.

    As you can plainly see, the USA is not a theocratic state.
    But that can change. All the USA needs is Mike Pence as president.

    Trust me when I tell you, Mike Pence will make you pray.
    Not only you, but the entire world.

    --Lee

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to ernie on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    On 22/05/2019 05:43, ernie -> David Drummond wrote:
    As opposed to the uberlords of USA's plan for the world and its people?
    The USAmericans even seem to think they are "the chosen people" living
    in "the greatest nation on earth".

    We do kind of act like we rule the whole world, don't we? :(

    This too will pass.

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to ernie on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    ernie wrote to David Drummond <=-

    > DC> 1. Sport/target shooting. Challenging and fun.

    Shooting at innocent chunks of clay hurled into the air is challenging
    and fun? How about you are the chunks of clay and see how challenging
    and fun that it.

    OK, let me start with I'm for gun control.

    Why? Has it been proven to work? Like in Chicago?

    (No one really needs an AR-15 unless you're in a war trying to
    kill lots of people.)

    Well, that's your opinion, anyway. Pretty hard to define "need"
    sometimes. Quite easy to define a Constitutional right, though.

    By the way, AR-15's are not used in war. By anybody.


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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Dan Clough on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    OK, let me start with I'm for gun control.

    Why? Has it been proven to work? Like in Chicago?

    The world is soooo much bigger than the USofA and it's cities. Try any civilized country in the world...



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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to David Drummond on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    Hello David,

    OK, let me start with I'm for gun control. (No one really needs an
    AR-15
    unless you're in a war trying to kill lots of people.)

    You don't get to decide what anybody else needs, you can decide
    what YOU
    need, though.

    Yet he/whomever DOES get to decide if a woman "needs" an abortion or
    not?

    No he doesn't, SHE does

    Not according to the supporters of the Alabama legislation.

    It's worse in Mississippi.

    There is only one city in Mississippi where a woman can get
    an abortion. That is Jackson. Actually, one building in Jackson.
    A small pink building.

    A woman in Mississippi can get an abortion up to 15 weeks pregnant.
    If she is 16 weeks pregnant she is shit out of luck and must carry
    to term.

    The building next door to the building where women can get an
    abortion is a crisis pregnancy center. This is where women who
    have no money go when they want to have an abortion. The folks
    at the crisis pregnancy center are not there to help women get
    an abortion, but to stonewall women long enough so that they
    can no longer get an abortion.

    If you are a woman, have no money, and are just a little bit
    pregnant, you may not know you are pregnant until well after you
    are 15 weeks pregnant. How are you going to get out this pickle
    when the place you are staying is not all that stable?

    Hopping on a bus to go to California in order to get an abortion
    is not all that easy for someone in Mississippi who has no money.

    --Lee

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to BOB ACKLEY on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    BOB ACKLEY wrote to DAN CLOUGH <=-

    (No one really needs an AR-15 unless you're in a war trying to
    kill lots of people.)

    Well, that's your opinion, anyway. Pretty hard to define "need"
    sometimes. Quite easy to define a Constitutional right, though.

    By the way, AR-15's are not used in war. By anybody.

    Ah, but they were. I carried one (but didn't fire it) when I was
    at Da Nang in 1965

    No, you didn't. Your memory is getting fuzzy.

    You carried either an M-14 or an M-16.

    An AR-15 is *NOT* a military weapon, and never has been. It also
    is *NOT* the same thing as an M14/M16. I would hope that you know
    the differences, and I'm wondering why you apparently do not.


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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to BOB ACKLEY on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    On 23/05/2019 06:53, BOB ACKLEY -> ERNIE wrote:

    OK, let me start with I'm for gun control. (No one really needs an AR-15
    unless you're in a war trying to kill lots of people.)

    You don't get to decide what anybody else needs, you can decide what YOU need, though.

    Yet he/whomever DOES get to decide if a woman "needs" an abortion or not?

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to BOB ACKLEY on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    On 26/05/2019 01:19, BOB ACKLEY -> DAVID DRUMMOND wrote:

    OK, let me start with I'm for gun control. (No one really needs an AR-15
    unless you're in a war trying to kill lots of people.)

    You don't get to decide what anybody else needs, you can decide what YOU
    need, though.

    Yet he/whomever DOES get to decide if a woman "needs" an abortion or not?

    No he doesn't, SHE does

    Not according to the supporters of the Alabama legislation.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to David Drummond on Tue Apr 16 07:43:10 2024
    On 2019 May 27 11:10:12, you wrote to BOB ACKLEY:

    Yet he/whomever DOES get to decide if a woman "needs" an abortion or
    not?

    No he doesn't, SHE does

    Not according to the supporters of the Alabama legislation.

    that's the problem... who the hell do those men think they are to tell women what they can do with their bodies? bodies that those men simply do not understand how they work...

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