• Pentagon's biolabs at Ukraine

    From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Alan Ianson on Fri Apr 1 10:32:15 2022
    Hello Alan,

    On Thursday March 31 2022 18:57, you wrote to Oleg Nazaroff:

    Oleg Nazaroff wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    The kremlin blamed that on Chechnya but I am
    not sure Chechnya had anything to do with
    it.

    Don't feed the trolls...


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Alaxander Koryagin on Fri Apr 1 02:20:08 2022
    Don't feed the trolls...

    I don't think we are feeding trolls but this is probably not the right area for this kind of discussion.

    I think these threads might be better in an area like WHAT'S_HOT!.

    That area is for discussion of what's new and hot. It hasn't been used much recently but it is there. I don't mind moving to another area also if you have a better suggestion.

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Alan Ianson on Fri Apr 1 12:57:53 2022
    Hello Alan,

    On Friday April 01 2022 02:20, you wrote to Alaxander Koryagin:

    Don't feed the trolls...

    I don't think we are feeding trolls but this is probably not the right area for this kind of discussion.

    I may have misunderstood but the moderator has labelled them as trolls didn't he?

    I think these threads might be better in an area like WHAT'S_HOT!.

    Whatever.

    That area is for discussion of what's new and hot. It hasn't been used much recently but it is there. I don't mind moving to another area
    also if you have a better suggestion.

    I have no interest in discussing with trolls, so who am I to make suggestions in that regard?


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Oleg Nazaroff@2:50/700 to Alan Ianson on Fri Apr 1 14:45:15 2022
    Доброго времечка, Alan Ianson.
    Вы писали 31.03.22 18:57:

    It's good to remember correctly why things
    happen.

    The terrorists called it jihad - blood feud, for the mass expulsion of Stalin against the Chechens and, by the way, the Ingush (there was no Chechnya, there was the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Republic). One mistake - Stalin at one time dealt with them very gently, replacing execution with exile. The reason is mass state treason and terrorism. According to modern terrorists, all generations of Russians were responsible for this. Despite the fact that Stalin himself was a Georgian.

    But the Khokhuls have done more horrible
    things to their own fellow citizens. At the
    very least, it is appalling precisely
    because they are all Slavs, not Muslims.
    It never fails to amaze me what human beings
    will do to other human beings and the
    reasons they come up with for their actions.

    I have not been surprised at anything for a long time, but my hair is still moving ...

    Is that so?

    The man who lived side by side with them for many years - it was the Chechen who stood out from the crowd easily.
    At the same time, I still have good friends among the Chechens.

    The west is well aware of what Putin has
    done.

    Everything that is written about the Chechen war is just a statement about the military operation itself, the background is always beyond the scope. Western propaganda works only in its own interests.

    Gorbachev said that treachery killed the
    USSR and I believe that.

    Gorbachev was the head of the government, and only decades later admitted that he knew everything in advance, and the justified (!) Members of the state coup, even without interrogation, unanimously pointed him out as the organizer, who was always in his own shadow. Meanwhile, there is documentary evidence of his collusion with the United States on the issue of the collapse of the USSR. The answer to the question why he has not yet been convicted is from the same series as why the gray eminence of Russia Chubais has now freely left for Turkey, and not to prison. The agreements are still in effect.


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  • From Oleg Nazaroff@2:50/700 to Alan Ianson on Fri Apr 1 14:59:13 2022
    Доброго времечка, Alan Ianson.
    Вы писали 31.03.22 18:57:

    You won't get any news from fox news, it has
    been producing right wing propaganda for
    years.

    Not only fox have news, same news.

    Russia has not been delivering humanitarian
    aid. They have been blocking it while they
    bomb civilians in Ukraine.

    Lie. All humanitarian aid reached the addressees. The only exception is where the Bandera people prevent it.

    If the west needs saving the retaliation
    will come very, very quickly?

    This is no longer our problem and we are not threatening to detonate a nuclear bomb over Moscow.

    Who are you fighting in Ukraine?

    With the West. All visible manifestations of Ukrainian Nazism are a product of Western propaganda combined with real financial and military support for many many years.

    Just who was it, according to you?

    It does not matter. There were definitely no Americans or Germans there. This is interference in the internal affairs of a sovereign state. The Russians didn't defend Texas and Washington, or the Basques, for example, did they?

    You got it wrong. It was Russian backed
    separatists in Ukraine who have been
    creating this so called problem. Thjis is
    clear.

    Don't evade the question. Neo-Nuremberg will force to answer for all US and NATO military interventions. Unless you eat yourself and each other before that.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Michiel van der Vlist on Fri Apr 1 06:07:52 2022
    That area is for discussion of what's new and hot. It hasn't been used
    much recently but it is there. I don't mind moving to another area
    also if you have a better suggestion.

    I have no interest in discussing with trolls, so who am I to make suggestions in that regard?

    If you have no interest in the discussion then you don't need to suggest anything. That is only for those who wish to continue the discussion. I am suggesting another area but I don't know if then discussion will move there or simply die out at some point.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Oleg Nazaroff on Fri Apr 1 06:24:34 2022
    Oleg Nazaroff wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    I will reply to you in the WHAT'S_HOT! area since we are off topic here.


    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Oleg Nazaroff@2:50/700 to Alan Ianson on Fri Apr 1 17:25:52 2022
    Доброго времечка, Alan Ianson.
    Вы писали 01.04.22 6:24:

    I will reply to you in the WHAT'S_HOT! area
    since we are off topic here.

    Marked area is not available here. If you want, send by netmail.

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  • From Tim Schattkowsky@2:240/1120.29 to Oleg Nazaroff on Fri Apr 1 16:33:09 2022
    //Hello Oleg,//

    on *01.04.22* at *14:59:13* You wrote in Area *FIDONEWS*
    to *Alan Ianson* about *"Pentagon's biolabs at Ukraine"*.

    Russia has not been delivering humanitarian aid. They have been blocking
    it while they bomb civilians in Ukraine.
    Lie. All humanitarian aid reached the addressees. The only exception is where the Bandera people prevent it.

    Reminds me of my all-time favourite war-propaganda quote:
    "Their infidels are committing suicide by the hundreds on the gates of Baghdad. Don't believe those liars."

    Who are you fighting in Ukraine?
    With the West. All visible manifestations of Ukrainian Nazism are a product of Western propaganda combined with real financial and military support for many many years.

    Or may it be that since the last free journalist in russia has long ago given up that you have not the slightest idea what is going on anywhere in the world?

    Just like any good dictator, your so-called president (hell, what a fine democracy you have, probably he will be supreme leader even in death and get a place next to lenin in the display) has spent decades to install a system of misinformation and oppression that now turns out to work so well, that not even his advisors seem to dare to tell him how bad thinks have become for Russia.

    I would also like to mention that Russia is supporting left- and right extremists in many western democracies in order to destabilize them. In Germany, Russia is well known to have provided broad support (e.g., through money and misinformation in social networks) for extreme-right Parties in the hope to help particularly the AFD to become a government party while german courts have already ruled that some of the most important AFD leaders can be officially called a "Nazi". And yes, we in Germany have expertise when it comes to Nazis. But we still havent noticed that Ukraine Nazi Government or the genocide on russian people (nice staging in russian reports btw.).
    So essentially, it is probably valid to say that Russia has tried und probably is still trying to install a Nazi-Government in Germany (and probably other countries).
    Maybe it's the russian way of thanking Germany for sending Lenin to Russia back in the days. So Putin actually seems to welcome Nazis in other countries. Also, (fun fact), those Asow (or however that is spelled) nationalists that are often referred to in this context are AFAIR a result of the russian occupation of Crimea. So in the best case, those Nazis are also home-made.

    In the full perspective, as it seems now, the main result of the attack on the Ukraine is that the already weak russian economy (less than germany for of country of that size ...) may soon basically cease to exist. It is determined to loose much of its today remaining income soon as western nations are committed to no longer buy ressources from Russia and are actively moving away from it in very short time frames. Furthermore, Russia is disconnected from most high-technology and at the same time educated engineers are fleeing the country already raging into the hundreds of thousands. In the end, this will all be really BAD for most of the russian people, who already suffered before from their low life standard (and also today exceptionally low life expectancyy). However, given the insignifcance of the russian economy, the rest of the world will just move on.

    This is just sad, because basically all the russian people I met where warm, hearty and often also very well educated and I wish them all the best. I doubt that the russian people deserve what their government does to their lifes and the legacy of their great country, which still deserves all the respect for having fought the real nazis in the first place. We should not forget, that europe's freedom and wealth is also built on their sacrifice.

    Regards,
    Tim
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Oleg Nazaroff on Fri Apr 1 08:04:40 2022
    I will reply to you in the WHAT'S_HOT! area
    since we are off topic here.
    Marked area is not available here. If you want, send by netmail.

    The area is widely available here. If you like we can link but the area is also available at 2:221/6 and 2:280/464.

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Tim Schattkowsky on Fri Apr 1 18:29:50 2022
    Hello Tim,

    On Friday April 01 2022 16:33, you wrote to Oleg Nazaroff:

    With the West. All visible manifestations of Ukrainian Nazism are
    a product of Western propaganda combined with real financial and
    military support for many many years.

    Or may it be that since the last free journalist in russia has long
    ago given up that you have not the slightest idea what is going on anywhere in the world?

    Don't feed the trolls...


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to Oleg Nazaroff on Fri Apr 1 20:18:40 2022
    Hello, Oleg!

    Friday April 01 2022 14:45, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

    Chechnya, there was the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Republic). One
    mistake - Stalin at one time dealt with them very gently, replacing

    You sounds like some Nazi officer who've got access to Fidonet in 1941.

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Dmitry Protasoff on Fri Apr 1 21:41:17 2022
    Hello Dmitry!

    01 Apr 22 20:18, Dmitry Protasoff wrote to Oleg Nazaroff:


    You sounds like some Nazi officer who've got access to Fidonet in
    1941.

    Now, /that's/ an idea... maybe you can develop this into a movie plot? :)


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Oleg Nazaroff on Fri Apr 1 21:33:42 2022
    I will reply to you in the WHAT'S_HOT! area
    since we are off topic here.

    Marked area is not available here. If you want, send by netmail.

    Another possiblity is the COFFEE_KLATSCH area. It's a place where folks can talk about whatever is on their mind. Is that area found?

    We have not been ruled off topic but there has been enough pushback that I think another area might be more fitting.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to Gerrit Kuehn on Sun Apr 3 23:44:38 2022
    *** Answering a msg posted in area carbonArea (Carbon Area).

    Hello, Gerrit!

    Friday April 01 2022 21:41, you wrote to me:


    You sounds like some Nazi officer who've got access to Fidonet in
    1941.

    Now, /that's/ an idea... maybe you can develop this into a movie plot?
    :)

    Or into Broadway musical? With Fidonet policy as some opening song :)

    Best regards,
    dp.

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