• their bid has been beaten into submission

    From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/360 to All on Fri Jan 10 07:53:38 2020
    Hi, all!

    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51040336
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    UK scientists' bid to find a hidden population of iron meteorites in the Antarctic has been beaten into submission.

    The University of Manchester team had developed a detection system it
    hoped would reveal the metal objects sitting just under the ice surface.

    But after 18 days of survey work, the equipment has broken beyond
    repair. It seems the components couldn't cope with the pounding they
    received as the detector was dragged across hard ice.
    ----- The end of the citation -----

    What a strange expression -- "their bid has been beaten into submission". By the scientists themselves? I would understand the phrase like "The robbers beat
    their victim into submission", but this one...

    Bye, all!
    Alexander Koryagin

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  • From Dallas Hinton@1:153/7715 to Alexander Koryagin on Thu Jan 9 21:57:39 2020
    Hi Alexander -- on Jan 10 2020 at 07:53, you wrote:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51040336
    [...]
    What a strange expression -- "their bid has been beaten into
    submission". By the scientists themselves? I would understand the
    phrase like "The robbers beat their victim into submission", but
    this one...

    It IS a rather unusual usage, but it's a legitimate use and does convey
    the idea! :-)



    Cheers... Dallas

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  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/360 to Dallas Hinton on Fri Jan 10 08:16:30 2020
    Hi, Dallas Hinton! ->Alexander Koryagin
    I read your message from 09.01.2020 22:57

    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51040336
    [...]
    What a strange expression -- "their bid has been beaten into
    submission". By the scientists themselves? I would understand the
    phrase like "The robbers beat their victim into submission", but
    this one...

    It IS a rather unusual usage, but it's a legitimate use and does
    convey the idea! :-)

    When robbers beat their victim into submission they actually become winners.

    When scientists beat their bid into submission -- I would say they gain what they wanted. The horse of the problem had been trained. :-)

    Bye, Dallas!
    Alexander Koryagin
    english_tutor 2020

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  • From Dallas Hinton@1:153/7715 to Alexander Koryagin on Thu Jan 9 23:24:21 2020
    Hi Alexander -- on Jan 10 2020 at 08:16, you wrote:

    When scientists beat their bid into submission -- I would say they
    gain what they wanted. The horse of the problem had been trained.
    :-)

    It's certainly confusing, and not the way *I* would write!


    Cheers... Dallas

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Alexander Koryagin on Fri Jan 10 07:13:53 2020
    Re: their bid has been beaten into submission
    By: Alexander Koryagin to All on Fri Jan 10 2020 07:53:38


    What a strange expression -- "their bid has been beaten
    into submission". By the scientists themselves? I would
    understand the phrase like "The robbers beat their
    victim into submission", but this one...

    it is an analogy and/or euphemism ;)

    he beat the code into submission by rewriting it.


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  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to Alexander Koryagin on Fri Jan 10 18:05:03 2020
    On 10/01/2020 1:16 a.m., Alexander Koryagin : Dallas Hinton wrote:

    Hello Alexander!

    What a strange expression -- "their bid has been beaten into
    submission". By the scientists themselves? I would understand
    the phrase like "The robbers beat their victim into
    submission", but this one...

    When robbers beat their victim into submission they actually
    become winners.

    When scientists beat their bid into submission -- I would say
    they gain what they wanted. The horse of the problem had been
    trained.


    But in this case the "robber" is the "ice", not the scientists. The
    victim is the equipment. The ice wins. Equipment loses.

    There is no evidence (in the citation) that the scientists did the
    beating. It just says that their bid has been beaten (by the ice).

    Just my guess.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALEXANDER KORYAGIN on Fri Jan 10 17:57:00 2020
    What a strange expression -- "their bid has been beaten into submission". By >the scientists themselves? I would understand the phrase like "The robbers beat
    their victim into submission", but this one...

    It is the kind of wording I might expect from a tabloid, but I am surprised
    to see it coming from the BBC.

    Mike


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